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Post-match Thread: Peterborough v Charlton Athletic | Tue 19 Jan 2021
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Yeah I think Szmodic's first goal lifted them, we then bring off our tiring forwards for "fresh" ones, but PBoro are hungry, smelling blood so they push on.soapboxsam said:ct_addick said:After the subs we were woeful
They were positive subs but the gifts for the goals gave posh confidence.
We defended well as a team 1st half but two errors from 2 CB going for the same ball and Shinnie making a mistake and Peterborough are ruthless.
Feel sorry for Lee Bowyer tonight because individual mistakes are costing us big time.
I rightly criticised Bowyer over 8 or 9 matches with some very strange tactics.
Not tonight. On a shocking pitch we were undone with a long ball.
The set up in the last two matches has been spot on.
"We will rue that miss" as Gunter headed over when we should've gone 2 up.
I have been supporting Charlton too long not to know a vital miss.
The game changed after that and Posh remembered they are a good team and they bossed the game from then on with the assistance of the charity of Cafc.
We then made more and more subs.
I think the forwards alone was fine, could have been 5/10 earlier, but the additional subs meant we finished with a very different front 4 and even a different CAM, so front 5. It's no wonder the play between defence and attack broke down.
We were suitably unsettled for the last 25 mins.1 -
As a fan base we just need to come to terms with the fact that we’re going to finish sixth and win the playoffs.4
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Poor defensively for their goals otherwise we competed, not the end of the world, but we need two the centre halves back as Pearce just doesn't cut it and Deji neither, consistently anyway.
We need two find a better way to play offensively as well, Washington is a good player but he's feeding off scraps.1 -
And when the same individual errors from the same poor players keep costing us points, how long before the new guy gets the bullet?Dazzler21 said:
Nah I've always said he has until end of January to get this ship back on track. Even if we lost every game from now til then, we'd have time for a new manager to come in and have a crack at promotion, just like in LB's first few months.noisy_north_upper said:
So you don’t think you’ve seen enough dross to call time on Bowyer?Dazzler21 said:
In addition to this, no one should be attacked for their opinions.Dazzler21 said:
"Spitting facts" yeah bread bin I getcha.noisy_north_upper said:
Na he don’t, just shouldn’t get singled out for his name when he’s spitting facts. Childishesseffect said:
Do you have 2 accounts?noisy_north_upper said:
Only thing they can come back at you with mate coz they know you’re right.IdiotDrugs said:
Thanks. Top replyesseffect said:
Your name doesn’t come as a surpriseIdiotDrugs said:Where was the shape in the 2nd half? Looked like Bowyer sent subs out without any instructions for them or the rest of the team on the pitch.
The rest of league are going pull away soon and we spend the rest of the season wondering if we are touching distance of 6th.
But its ok, the bowyer in brigade have their win at Bristol Rovers. Good for them.
Bowyer still has to turn it around, let's not pretend he's faultless.0 -
Why dont you read back what I said and what you have quoted. "Looks like". The way the players ran around once we conceded was close to headless chickens. So yes it does 'look like' players are sent out without instruction, but of course they arent.Off_it said:
OK, I'll engage.IdiotDrugs said:
Did you see any shape at all in that 2nd half? JFC comes off and the midfield evaporates. Long balls being lumped forward from 70mins onwards to Chuks & Ronnie who didnt hold any consitent ground. so it just came back our way.Off_it said:
By jove, I think you've nailed it there. The manager obviously sends the team out without any instructions - no instructions at all. You're a genius son, pure genius.esseffect said:
Your name doesn’t come as a surpriseIdiotDrugs said:Where was the shape in the 2nd half? Looked like Bowyer sent subs out without any instructions for them or the rest of the team on the pitch.
The rest of league are going pull away soon and we spend the rest of the season wondering if we are touching distance of 6th.
But its ok, the bowyer in brigade have their win at Bristol Rovers. Good for them.
We all know Bowyer has a problem with subs this season, if he and the team aren't giving our proper instruction & shape I'd say thats a huge issue. How many times have we thrown games away or been shut out.
Do you seriously, I mean seriously, believe that our players are given no instructions at the start of the game, during the game or when substitutes are made? Because that's what you said; "Looked like Bowyer sent subs out without any instructions for them or the rest of the team on the pitch." Your words.
But what it does mean is that the instructions are either not right and/or getting through. Both Bowyers problems at the end of the day, and its felt and looked that way for the entirety of the this bad run since mid-november.
If you disagree and think Bowyer sets up the team & manages the game perfectly everytime, fine. Say so. Happy to engage on ideas of how the team plays and sets up. Not here to play on semantics of langauge.0 -
Ok fair. Time will tell.Dazzler21 said:
Nah I've always said he has until end of January to get this ship back on track. Even if we lost every game from now til then, we'd have time for a new manager to come in and have a crack at promotion, just like in LB's first few months.noisy_north_upper said:
So you don’t think you’ve seen enough dross to call time on Bowyer?Dazzler21 said:
In addition to this, no one should be attacked for their opinions.Dazzler21 said:
"Spitting facts" yeah bread bin I getcha.noisy_north_upper said:
Na he don’t, just shouldn’t get singled out for his name when he’s spitting facts. Childishesseffect said:
Do you have 2 accounts?noisy_north_upper said:
Only thing they can come back at you with mate coz they know you’re right.IdiotDrugs said:
Thanks. Top replyesseffect said:
Your name doesn’t come as a surpriseIdiotDrugs said:Where was the shape in the 2nd half? Looked like Bowyer sent subs out without any instructions for them or the rest of the team on the pitch.
The rest of league are going pull away soon and we spend the rest of the season wondering if we are touching distance of 6th.
But its ok, the bowyer in brigade have their win at Bristol Rovers. Good for them.
Bowyer still has to turn it around, let's not pretend he's faultless.
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Couple of seasons, at least one season 🤣ElliotCAFC said:
And when the same individual errors from the same poor players keep costing us points, how long before the new guy gets the bullet?Dazzler21 said:
Nah I've always said he has until end of January to get this ship back on track. Even if we lost every game from now til then, we'd have time for a new manager to come in and have a crack at promotion, just like in LB's first few months.noisy_north_upper said:
So you don’t think you’ve seen enough dross to call time on Bowyer?Dazzler21 said:
In addition to this, no one should be attacked for their opinions.Dazzler21 said:
"Spitting facts" yeah bread bin I getcha.noisy_north_upper said:
Na he don’t, just shouldn’t get singled out for his name when he’s spitting facts. Childishesseffect said:
Do you have 2 accounts?noisy_north_upper said:
Only thing they can come back at you with mate coz they know you’re right.IdiotDrugs said:
Thanks. Top replyesseffect said:
Your name doesn’t come as a surpriseIdiotDrugs said:Where was the shape in the 2nd half? Looked like Bowyer sent subs out without any instructions for them or the rest of the team on the pitch.
The rest of league are going pull away soon and we spend the rest of the season wondering if we are touching distance of 6th.
But its ok, the bowyer in brigade have their win at Bristol Rovers. Good for them.
Bowyer still has to turn it around, let's not pretend he's faultless.
Funny how we were making the same mistakes last season?! Whilst Pearce and Oshilaja were part of that, most of these players were not.0 -
Apart from the mistakes, thought we were okay up to the goal/taking JFC off.
Thought Bowyer set us up well (second match in a row) and the players worked hard, Washington especially.The main issue is that we never really look like creating many chances.3 -
Deserved a point. Didn't get one as we can't defend. Pearce involved in a clamity again. Time to leave him out. Gunter and Deji looked a better partnership. No real threat up top. Smyth is a waste of a loan and I would send him back.
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So in this thread we have people moaning about Pearce playing when all the moaning before was about players being played in the wrong positions. There’s people moaning about Gunter existing at all even though he would have been the one to play there instead of Pearce. We have people moaning about bringing two strikers on when we’re winning when previous moaning was about being too defensive too early on. We have people moaning that the manager is shit because experienced players made individual errors to gift goals. There’s weeping about the league being rubbish, the players being rubbish, the football being rubbish. Have we always had this much wailing when we lose a match or hit bad form or have ‘fans’ just got worse?26
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Oh and Smyth adds absolutely nothing to the team whatsoever2
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I don't think you mentioned the moaning about the pitch .......Garrymanilow said:So in this thread we have people moaning about Pearce playing when all the moaning before was about players being played in the wrong positions. There’s people moaning about Gunter existing at all even though he would have been the one to play there instead of Pearce. We have people moaning about bringing two strikers on when we’re winning when previous moaning was about being too defensive too early on. We have people moaning that the manager is shit because experienced players made individual errors to gift goals. There’s weeping about the league being rubbish, the players being rubbish, the football being rubbish. Have we always had this much wailing when we lose a match or hit bad form or have ‘fans’ just got worse?5 -
Yep I agree he's not the player he was. Blatant mistake against Accy but tonight I don't feel the first goal was all on him but our fans jump on him because he was involved. Why Deji not attacking the long ball and deal with it first time? He's let it bounce and then backs off. Pearce wrongly comes over but it's a accumulation of errors. People saying he could of been sent off for the pull back half way up the pitch. It's a foul booking etc but to me he's got beat and he's made the foul that needed to be made.Scoham said:
Not a witch hunt, just clearly a player there who’s declining - he’s 34 next season so it’s hardly a surprise. He’s probably slower than he was a year ago and isn’t big enough to dominate in the air (like Inniss can) to make up for it.agim said:The Pearce witch hunt continues. Him & Deji were excellent first half and then they make a Sunday league mistake. Both at fault I'd argue Deji even more so because he's let the ball bounce first to make Pearce come over.
1st half was solid, good pressing and dealt with pretty much everything that came our way.
2nd half just shows we aren't quite good enough to beat the better 4/5 teams in the league. I feel the team is lacking character. Who's going to pull us through games like tonight? Schwartz is still miles of the pace. Aneke can't keep up with the demands of 3 games a week & I'm yet to see a really decent end product from Millar. Can't see us making the playoffs0 -
Always more posts after a loss.Garrymanilow said:So in this thread we have people moaning about Pearce playing when all the moaning before was about players being played in the wrong positions. There’s people moaning about Gunter existing at all even though he would have been the one to play there instead of Pearce. We have people moaning about bringing two strikers on when we’re winning when previous moaning was about being too defensive too early on. We have people moaning that the manager is shit because experienced players made individual errors to gift goals. There’s weeping about the league being rubbish, the players being rubbish, the football being rubbish. Have we always had this much wailing when we lose a match or hit bad form or have ‘fans’ just got worse?4 -
Pearce your time is up. Absolutely awful and don’t send your kids to his soccer school.
furious how bad he was in Oshilaja we expect total shit0 -
He had the option of looking up! The difference after the equaliser is Posh tightened up defensively so it was harder for Schwartz and Aneke. I thought up until then we were coping far better than them. Wasn't a game of football in those conditions but hoofball and battle for it. We did that better than them and should have put the game to bed.Dazzler21 said:
He put a couple of very good crosses in, neither forward was where a Lyle or Karlan would have been though.sam3110 said:Oh and Smyth adds absolutely nothing to the team whatsoever0 -
Yes.addick1956 said:
It is allowable to say that Bogle and Washington did so much more in closing Peterborough down than Aneke and the anonymous Schwartz.Addickted2TheReds said:Gutted.Ugly, ugly game.Played the match perfectly for 60 mins and then fell apart - so frustrating for 2 individual errors to cost us.
The Gunter miss looks so costly, we didn’t look likely to come away with anything after they equalised.
I though Amos could have done more with the 2nd too. Surely he can read that ball? He’s still stood on his line when the striker receives the ball!Pearce really does look finished for us unfortunately although Deji doesn’t do him any favours for the first.JFC is absolutely vital to us at the moment, we were very poor after he went off.
The conditions were absolutely suited to Pratley and he shithoused and Brexited his way through 90 minutes effectively.Bogle was better than normal but still not great - Washington played well.
The less said about the performances put in by Aneke and Schwartz the better - awful.
Not on Bowyer that one. Just a shitshow finish to the game. Very annoying.
Schwartz and Aneke partnership isn't developing at this stage. Maybe try the totally unselfish Washington with Schwartz and the Bully Boys can come on later.
(Preferred it when it was Smyth and Aneke up top together tbh)0 -
Agree. On the plus side I felt we gave a decent account of ourselves in the first 45. We pressed and competed and we worth going in ahead at half time. Second half and all the ugly little facets about our squad and team creep in. Terrible first goal to give away and having listened to Bowyer’s post match comments, it must be exasperating. He said they’ve had meetings about tightening up addressing that sort of thing, and I’m sure they have. However, that’s 2 experienced centre backs miscommunicating, and yet another mistake. The second goal, you could say it’s unfortunate, Shinnie did just slip, but if it’s not conceding injury time goals it’s now making defensive errors on a consistent basis.Bedsaddick said:Pitch aside we are just not good enough. You can't fault us for trying tonight but this squad is very , very average.
The defending was comical with both goals . Peterborough aren't going up either . We gifted them their goals.
There is still half the season to go but we aren't a top six side i'm afraid.It all just seems a bit mediocre to average and 3 wins in 13 is not good enough.I don’t think there’s much more Bowyer can do, he hasn’t got the greatest bank of players to choose from, and I know we’ve all got an opinion, but can you honestly say that you think we’ve got players good enough to be part of a promotion winning team? I just can’t see it at the moment. I expect the season to continue like this with this current squad. 1 win in every 3 to 4 games5 -
PWR again....
Rightly or wrongly, the fickle finger of fate points to mistakes by our defence once more.
And the question " Is Pearcey the common denominator? " in our most recent mishaps has to be asked.
A really impressive, positive, energy filled first 45. Felt proud of the manner in which we closed down the Posh and didn't let them play on that quagmire of a pitch.
Half time cuppa was made with a smile on my face .......but that didn't last long.
Mr F was happy to leave Bogle on the pitch, saying he was battling well & doing alright.
My point was, who is most likely to get us another goal and hopefully put this game to bed....for me it's always going to be Chuks.
But by the time he left his dry seat on the bench, our two centre halves had combined to gift the opposition an equaliser. Pantomime stuff indeed.
Their tails were up then and there was only going to be one winner.
Listening to Bow's post match words, I felt his pain. This defeat couldn't be laid at his door. Were we unlucky ? Or do our lads need a session or three of hypnotism to help them concentrate until the final whistle is blown...
What I was confused by was Bow's insistence that we need new bodies in all positions. Maybe this was frustration talking of course and he did point to our weakness at the centre of defence in particular. But it would be a travesty if Deji was removed IMO.
So, onwards to the battle of the Robins on Saturday. Let's hope our beaks are sharper than theirs this time.
Can't say I'm looking forward to it but then I'm beginning to agree with those who feel this is a season of consolidation, not promotion.
Fanny is definitely deflated tonight.
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I've not been happy with our Lee for a few weeks especially after the Maddison incident and his previous team selections.
Tonight however, I thought for 60 minutes and after Saturday at Bristol I saw a bit of the old Charlton.
However, clearly intent on ruining my birthday today that last half hour was the stuff of nightmares and blowing the candle out on my bloody cake didn't give me the wish I wanted....so typical Charlton!
It's very hard to know what to think now...clearly Innis and Fammy will be welcomed back but is it enough....I think Gunter has been very disappointing, Gilby...let's not go there...Pearce looks a yard slower and Deji bless him is really not quite up to it.
We must win on Saturday but I have to agree with other posters that the play offs look a distant dream unless there is a rapid turnaround with consistency, clean sheets and goals.3 -
roseandcrown said:
He's never had pace and he's always been that kind of man handling defender ever since he's played for us. Like I've said in previous comments I'd swap our two centre backs today for quite a few other players out there but it's what we have at the moment. That defeat can't just be put on one players head it's ridiculous
Its not a witch hunt is evidence right in front of your eyes.agim said:The Pearce witch hunt continues. Him & Deji were excellent first half and then they make a Sunday league mistake. Both at fault I'd argue Deji even more so because he's let the ball bounce first to make Pearce come over.
1st half was solid, good pressing and dealt with pretty much everything that came our way.
2nd half just shows we aren't quite good enough to beat the better 4/5 teams in the league. I feel the team is lacking character. Who's going to pull us through games like tonight? Schwartz is still miles of the pace. Aneke can't keep up with the demands of 3 games a week & I'm yet to see a really decent end product from Millar. Can't see us making the playoffs
Pearce is a battler and has been a great servant for us but he is a liability, clumsy and off the pace. He always looks out of position and ends up man handling players. he got away with another not long after the second the ref gave a foul to him but it was not he was lucky.3 -
I thought Bogle did ok in the first half tonight but looked knackered by the early stages of the second half. If he was fresher he might have got into position to convert that cross from Smyth.Dazzler21 said:
He put a couple of very good crosses in, neither forward was where a Lyle or Karlan would have been though.sam3110 said:Oh and Smyth adds absolutely nothing to the team whatsoever1 -
I don’t recall anywhere near the same quantity of individual errors when comparing this season and last season. Last season we were a poor squad punching well above their weight who ultimately fell short on the last day due to the winter of 1000 injury’s, the worst change in ownership one could imagine and our top goal scorer/talisman refusing to honour his contract. We also had the worst starting 11 in the league.Dazzler21 said:
Couple of seasons, at least one season 🤣ElliotCAFC said:
And when the same individual errors from the same poor players keep costing us points, how long before the new guy gets the bullet?Dazzler21 said:
Nah I've always said he has until end of January to get this ship back on track. Even if we lost every game from now til then, we'd have time for a new manager to come in and have a crack at promotion, just like in LB's first few months.noisy_north_upper said:
So you don’t think you’ve seen enough dross to call time on Bowyer?Dazzler21 said:
In addition to this, no one should be attacked for their opinions.Dazzler21 said:
"Spitting facts" yeah bread bin I getcha.noisy_north_upper said:
Na he don’t, just shouldn’t get singled out for his name when he’s spitting facts. Childishesseffect said:
Do you have 2 accounts?noisy_north_upper said:
Only thing they can come back at you with mate coz they know you’re right.IdiotDrugs said:
Thanks. Top replyesseffect said:
Your name doesn’t come as a surpriseIdiotDrugs said:Where was the shape in the 2nd half? Looked like Bowyer sent subs out without any instructions for them or the rest of the team on the pitch.
The rest of league are going pull away soon and we spend the rest of the season wondering if we are touching distance of 6th.
But its ok, the bowyer in brigade have their win at Bristol Rovers. Good for them.
Bowyer still has to turn it around, let's not pretend he's faultless.
Funny how we were making the same mistakes last season?! Whilst Pearce and Oshilaja were part of that, most of these players were not.This season is an add on from last season and ESI’s reign, that’s only magnified on the pitch. Changing the management now does nothing, we need a proper rebuild and stability. I’d much rather add more coaches than take them away.2 -
Chill out everyone. Just one of those nights that always seem to befall us.
Nothing wrong with Bowyer's tactics or the team he picked; everyone gave 100%; and for most of the game we were comfortable. Just 2 stupid errors that cost us. That and Gunter's miss.
One thing does intrigue me. Peterboro' played out the last 8 or 9 minutes without the slightest problem - keeping the ball in our half, winning throws and free kicks and never letting us have a sniff of the ball. And its the same with most teams against us. But when we are trying to hold onto a 1 goal lead, it is always panic stations. Why?
Suggest everyone now tunes into the Leicester Chelsea game and watch Leicester go top and Chelsea sink to 8th place despite Frank spending about £200 million in the summer. And we think Bowyer has got problems!6 -
It wasn't as good a performance as some are making out
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Without the previous shysters in charge, we'd have bought Clarke-Harris in January. If not then, the summer just gone.
He plays for our opponent tonight and sets up two goals.
People pretending that the likes of Omar Bogle (sorry Omar) were Bowyer's top choices to fill out a desperately fragile squad are kidding themselves.2 -
I'm going to bed. Had I been playing and had a chance like Gunter's I wouldn't be able to sleep thinking about it. Fortunately I'm not and I didn't so I should get off to sleep ok.6
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Neither team were very good, the conditions made sure of that.Croydon said:It wasn't as good a performance as some are making out2
