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I don't think it's the UK per se, it's anything outside the EU to deflect attention from what a cock-up the member states are making of this. Because the AZ vaccine is ours, we're just an easy target.2121 said:Von der leyn is awful. Has it in for uk.
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I assume that there will be a lot of second jabs missing the 12 week repeat due to shortages.
Or is the demand for and timing of second jabs all under control?1 -
It’s been said this evening that 2nd jabs will not be affected.seth plum said:I assume that there will be a lot of second jabs missing the 12 week repeat due to shortages.
Or is the demand for and timing of second jabs all under control?4 -
Look at her track record ... my friends and former colleagues in Germany told me some time back what she was like.AddicksAddict said:
I don't think it's the UK per se, it's anything outside the EU to deflect attention from what a cock-up the member states are making of this. Because the AZ vaccine is ours, we're just an easy target.2121 said:Von der leyn is awful. Has it in for uk.0 -
ExactlyShootersHillGuru said:
It’s been said this evening that 2nd jabs will not be affected.seth plum said:I assume that there will be a lot of second jabs missing the 12 week repeat due to shortages.
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We, and I mean the British taxpayer, put millions into the development of this vaccine. Have we tried to keep it for ourselves? No. Are we trying to make a shed load of money from it? No.
We have offered it to the World at cost. We have shared the science and let others produce it.Europe has been slow to the point of being negligent in putting plans together to vaccinate their populations, have been more interested in getting everything on the cheap, and have slagged off the science to justify their inefficiency which has caused distress and shaken some peoples faith in it. Shameful behaviour.
Now they are threatening supplies to our Country of vaccines that have been contracted to be supplied and paid for. Ordered and paid for before way before they even approved it.
This propaganda is merely to smoke screen the embarrassment of their complete lack of action.
It will not affect supplies to the UK as it is bollocks. They will never risk stopping supplies to the UK.15 -
An expected reduction in the UK's Covid vaccine supply next month is due to a delay in the delivery of five million Oxford-AstraZeneca doses from India.
The shipment, produced by the Serum Institute of India, has been held up by four weeks, the BBC has been told.
NHS England warned of a reduction in supply in April in a letter to local health organisations on Wednesday.
The Department of Health insists it is still on track to offer a first dose to all adults by the end of July.
A spokesperson for the Serum Institute said: "Five million doses had been delivered a few weeks ago to the UK and we will try to supply more later, based on the current situation and the requirement for the government immunisation programme in India."
A source told the BBC that although the original aim had been to deliver the next five million in March, there was not a stipulated time for the delivery of the doses.
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Are the Indian government blocking vaccine exports?clive said:An expected reduction in the UK's Covid vaccine supply next month is due to a delay in the delivery of five million Oxford-AstraZeneca doses from India.
The shipment, produced by the Serum Institute of India, has been held up by four weeks, the BBC has been told.
NHS England warned of a reduction in supply in April in a letter to local health organisations on Wednesday.
The Department of Health insists it is still on track to offer a first dose to all adults by the end of July.
A spokesperson for the Serum Institute said: "Five million doses had been delivered a few weeks ago to the UK and we will try to supply more later, based on the current situation and the requirement for the government immunisation programme in India."
A source told the BBC that although the original aim had been to deliver the next five million in March, there was not a stipulated time for the delivery of the doses.
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Check out my post on the other thread. This precaution has been put in place to limit first doses and protect 2nd doses during that periodseth plum said:I assume that there will be a lot of second jabs missing the 12 week repeat due to shortages.
Or is the demand for and timing of second jabs all under control?3 -
@stonemuse please share anything you can.stonemuse said:
Look at her track record ... my friends and former colleagues in Germany told me some time back what she was like.AddicksAddict said:
I don't think it's the UK per se, it's anything outside the EU to deflect attention from what a cock-up the member states are making of this. Because the AZ vaccine is ours, we're just an easy target.2121 said:Von der leyn is awful. Has it in for uk.
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To be fair, the UK has had a good run so far because of the EU’s approach to vaccination which gave us a massive head start. The EU fck up (?) was for the UK the equivalent of giving Conor Washington a five yard start from the halfway line with only the keeper to beat, three times. We’ve got a critical mass head start now when in reality we are far ahead of where logistically we should have been.1
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Google her name when she was German defence minister.AddicksAddict said:
@stonemuse please share anything you can.stonemuse said:
Look at her track record ... my friends and former colleagues in Germany told me some time back what she was like.AddicksAddict said:
I don't think it's the UK per se, it's anything outside the EU to deflect attention from what a cock-up the member states are making of this. Because the AZ vaccine is ours, we're just an easy target.2121 said:Von der leyn is awful. Has it in for uk.Others have previously posted links a while back.0 -
The eu member states have at this moment 7 million doses of AZ sitting in fridges. Von de Leyen is demanding that the eu get it’s fair share of vaccines. The levels of confidence shown by European citizens to take AZ can best be described as low. Too many are refusing the vaccine altogether. In an already vaccine sceptic population the behaviour and language used towards the AZ vaccine by European leaders has been baffling and extremely unhelpful. Today the European Medical Agency will undoubtedly announce that AZ is as safe as any vaccine and recommend it use. Good news but irreparable damage has been done. It’s looking like mainland Europe is on the precipice of a third wave driven by the U.K. variant and in the grip of both vaccine supply and confidence problems. I think the rhetoric coming out of Brussels is rooted in panic and fear. It’s actually hard to think just how much more wrong the European Union could have got this vaccination programme and the reality is now dawning on them. There are important elections coming in both France and Germany and in a world that is lurching right this absolute and completely avoidable crisis is manna from heaven to Le Pen, AfD and other populist parties. A real and genuine stick to beat the opposition. The political ramifications of what’s happening with Covid in mainland Europe are significant. This is not a problem that the U.K. can watch with impunity from the sidelines. Both aspects of this situation in health and politics will have real impact on us too. Without impinging on the U.K. vaccine rollout it’s very important that the U.K. is as helpful as possible to our neighbours. A Europe facing a third Covid wave this summer with a likelihood of a fourth in the autumn and two influential European partners in France and Germany with right wing leaderships is not something we should help facilitate.8
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Yes, they're upset about England going 2-1 up in the T20sse9addick said:
Are the Indian government blocking vaccine exports?clive said:An expected reduction in the UK's Covid vaccine supply next month is due to a delay in the delivery of five million Oxford-AstraZeneca doses from India.
The shipment, produced by the Serum Institute of India, has been held up by four weeks, the BBC has been told.
NHS England warned of a reduction in supply in April in a letter to local health organisations on Wednesday.
The Department of Health insists it is still on track to offer a first dose to all adults by the end of July.
A spokesperson for the Serum Institute said: "Five million doses had been delivered a few weeks ago to the UK and we will try to supply more later, based on the current situation and the requirement for the government immunisation programme in India."
A source told the BBC that although the original aim had been to deliver the next five million in March, there was not a stipulated time for the delivery of the doses.
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I think the UK Government has been remarkably unbelligerent in its response to the EU over vaccination and has not sought to raise the temperature, even when the EU temporarily blocked vaccines going through Ireland. I think you are underestimating how much the EU cannot stand the UK being successful in any way post Brexit. Their story to their own people is that Brexit is a massive example of self harm. The fact that almost immediately post Brexit the UK has probably the most successful vaccination programme in the whole world is a massive blow to them politically. This has caused them to panic and then to make things even worse by trying to undermine the Oxford vaccine, thus not only damaging their own vaccine programme, but potentially encouraging anti vaxxers in this country as well.ShootersHillGuru said:The eu member states have at this moment 7 million doses of AZ sitting in fridges. Von de Leyen is demanding that the eu get it’s fair share of vaccines. The levels of confidence shown by European citizens to take AZ can best be described as low. Too many are refusing the vaccine altogether. In an already vaccine sceptic population the behaviour and language used towards the AZ vaccine by European leaders has been baffling and extremely unhelpful. Today the European Medical Agency will undoubtedly announce that AZ is as safe as any vaccine and recommend it use. Good news but irreparable damage has been done. It’s looking like mainland Europe is on the precipice of a third wave driven by the U.K. variant and in the grip of both vaccine supply and confidence problems. I think the rhetoric coming out of Brussels is rooted in panic and fear. It’s actually hard to think just how much more wrong the European Union could have got this vaccination programme and the reality is now dawning on them. There are important elections coming in both France and Germany and in a world that is lurching right this absolute and completely avoidable crisis is manna from heaven to Le Pen, AfD and other populist parties. A real and genuine stick to beat the opposition. The political ramifications of what’s happening with Covid in mainland Europe are significant. This is not a problem that the U.K. can watch with impunity from the sidelines. Both aspects of this situation in health and politics will have real impact on us too. Without impinging on the U.K. vaccine rollout it’s very important that the U.K. is as helpful as possible to our neighbours. A Europe facing a third Covid wave this summer with a likelihood of a fourth in the autumn and two influential European partners in France and Germany with right wing leaderships is not something we should help facilitate.
This is a problem entirely of their own making and may well blow up in their faces politicially. The best thing for us to do is, indeed, keep calm and carry on and not respond to their provocations, except to continue to affirm that the Oxford vaccine is fine.17 -
Somebody else been getting their fill of the Daily Express todaySouthbank said:
I think the UK Government has been remarkably unbelligerent in its response to the EU over vaccination and has not sought to raise the temperature, even when the EU temporarily blocked vaccines going through Ireland. I think you are underestimating how much the EU cannot stand the UK being successful in any way post Brexit. Their story to their own people is that Brexit is a massive example of self harm. The fact that almost immediately post Brexit the UK has probably the most successful vaccination programme in the whole world is a massive blow to them politically. This has caused them to panic and then to make things even worse by trying to undermine the Oxford vaccine, thus not only damaging their own vaccine programme, but potentially encouraging anti vaxxers in this country as well.ShootersHillGuru said:The eu member states have at this moment 7 million doses of AZ sitting in fridges. Von de Leyen is demanding that the eu get it’s fair share of vaccines. The levels of confidence shown by European citizens to take AZ can best be described as low. Too many are refusing the vaccine altogether. In an already vaccine sceptic population the behaviour and language used towards the AZ vaccine by European leaders has been baffling and extremely unhelpful. Today the European Medical Agency will undoubtedly announce that AZ is as safe as any vaccine and recommend it use. Good news but irreparable damage has been done. It’s looking like mainland Europe is on the precipice of a third wave driven by the U.K. variant and in the grip of both vaccine supply and confidence problems. I think the rhetoric coming out of Brussels is rooted in panic and fear. It’s actually hard to think just how much more wrong the European Union could have got this vaccination programme and the reality is now dawning on them. There are important elections coming in both France and Germany and in a world that is lurching right this absolute and completely avoidable crisis is manna from heaven to Le Pen, AfD and other populist parties. A real and genuine stick to beat the opposition. The political ramifications of what’s happening with Covid in mainland Europe are significant. This is not a problem that the U.K. can watch with impunity from the sidelines. Both aspects of this situation in health and politics will have real impact on us too. Without impinging on the U.K. vaccine rollout it’s very important that the U.K. is as helpful as possible to our neighbours. A Europe facing a third Covid wave this summer with a likelihood of a fourth in the autumn and two influential European partners in France and Germany with right wing leaderships is not something we should help facilitate.
This is a problem entirely of their own making and may well blow up in their faces politicially. The best thing for us to do is, indeed, keep calm and carry on and not respond to their provocations, except to continue to affirm that the Oxford vaccine is fine. 0 -
Any current UK vaccine success has nothing whatsoever to do with the vote taken for the whole of the UK to leave the whole of the EU.Southbank said:
I think the UK Government has been remarkably unbelligerent in its response to the EU over vaccination and has not sought to raise the temperature, even when the EU temporarily blocked vaccines going through Ireland. I think you are underestimating how much the EU cannot stand the UK being successful in any way post Brexit. Their story to their own people is that Brexit is a massive example of self harm. The fact that almost immediately post Brexit the UK has probably the most successful vaccination programme in the whole world is a massive blow to them politically. This has caused them to panic and then to make things even worse by trying to undermine the Oxford vaccine, thus not only damaging their own vaccine programme, but potentially encouraging anti vaxxers in this country as well.ShootersHillGuru said:The eu member states have at this moment 7 million doses of AZ sitting in fridges. Von de Leyen is demanding that the eu get it’s fair share of vaccines. The levels of confidence shown by European citizens to take AZ can best be described as low. Too many are refusing the vaccine altogether. In an already vaccine sceptic population the behaviour and language used towards the AZ vaccine by European leaders has been baffling and extremely unhelpful. Today the European Medical Agency will undoubtedly announce that AZ is as safe as any vaccine and recommend it use. Good news but irreparable damage has been done. It’s looking like mainland Europe is on the precipice of a third wave driven by the U.K. variant and in the grip of both vaccine supply and confidence problems. I think the rhetoric coming out of Brussels is rooted in panic and fear. It’s actually hard to think just how much more wrong the European Union could have got this vaccination programme and the reality is now dawning on them. There are important elections coming in both France and Germany and in a world that is lurching right this absolute and completely avoidable crisis is manna from heaven to Le Pen, AfD and other populist parties. A real and genuine stick to beat the opposition. The political ramifications of what’s happening with Covid in mainland Europe are significant. This is not a problem that the U.K. can watch with impunity from the sidelines. Both aspects of this situation in health and politics will have real impact on us too. Without impinging on the U.K. vaccine rollout it’s very important that the U.K. is as helpful as possible to our neighbours. A Europe facing a third Covid wave this summer with a likelihood of a fourth in the autumn and two influential European partners in France and Germany with right wing leaderships is not something we should help facilitate.
This is a problem entirely of their own making and may well blow up in their faces politicially. The best thing for us to do is, indeed, keep calm and carry on and not respond to their provocations, except to continue to affirm that the Oxford vaccine is fine.
The EU has no cause to be anxious about the UK enjoying any other ‘success’ because of ‘brexit’ because there isn’t any and won’t be any, unless formalising hatred of foreigners and racking up problems in Ireland is seen by brexit voters as a success.8 -
seth plum said:
Any current UK vaccine success has nothing whatsoever to do with the vote taken for the whole of the UK to leave the whole of the EU.Southbank said:
I think the UK Government has been remarkably unbelligerent in its response to the EU over vaccination and has not sought to raise the temperature, even when the EU temporarily blocked vaccines going through Ireland. I think you are underestimating how much the EU cannot stand the UK being successful in any way post Brexit. Their story to their own people is that Brexit is a massive example of self harm. The fact that almost immediately post Brexit the UK has probably the most successful vaccination programme in the whole world is a massive blow to them politically. This has caused them to panic and then to make things even worse by trying to undermine the Oxford vaccine, thus not only damaging their own vaccine programme, but potentially encouraging anti vaxxers in this country as well.ShootersHillGuru said:The eu member states have at this moment 7 million doses of AZ sitting in fridges. Von de Leyen is demanding that the eu get it’s fair share of vaccines. The levels of confidence shown by European citizens to take AZ can best be described as low. Too many are refusing the vaccine altogether. In an already vaccine sceptic population the behaviour and language used towards the AZ vaccine by European leaders has been baffling and extremely unhelpful. Today the European Medical Agency will undoubtedly announce that AZ is as safe as any vaccine and recommend it use. Good news but irreparable damage has been done. It’s looking like mainland Europe is on the precipice of a third wave driven by the U.K. variant and in the grip of both vaccine supply and confidence problems. I think the rhetoric coming out of Brussels is rooted in panic and fear. It’s actually hard to think just how much more wrong the European Union could have got this vaccination programme and the reality is now dawning on them. There are important elections coming in both France and Germany and in a world that is lurching right this absolute and completely avoidable crisis is manna from heaven to Le Pen, AfD and other populist parties. A real and genuine stick to beat the opposition. The political ramifications of what’s happening with Covid in mainland Europe are significant. This is not a problem that the U.K. can watch with impunity from the sidelines. Both aspects of this situation in health and politics will have real impact on us too. Without impinging on the U.K. vaccine rollout it’s very important that the U.K. is as helpful as possible to our neighbours. A Europe facing a third Covid wave this summer with a likelihood of a fourth in the autumn and two influential European partners in France and Germany with right wing leaderships is not something we should help facilitate.
This is a problem entirely of their own making and may well blow up in their faces politicially. The best thing for us to do is, indeed, keep calm and carry on and not respond to their provocations, except to continue to affirm that the Oxford vaccine is fine.
The EU has no cause to be anxious about the UK enjoying any other ‘success’ because of ‘brexit’ because there isn’t any and won’t be any, unless formalising hatred of foreigners and racking up problems in Ireland is seen by brexit voters as a success.Ok folks. I'm coming out. I voted for Brexit then and I would again now. My reasons, along with many other Brexit voters (we tend to hide as people assume we voted leave), is absolutely nothing to do with hatred of foreigners. It is possible to be a Brexit voter and not be a Union Jack wearing fascist.I will be saying no more on the subject.
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You do not have to explain yourself AT, I voted leave and I am none of the above. Those that wanted to stay just cannot accept defeat and the result of the referendum.Arsenetatters said:seth plum said:
Any current UK vaccine success has nothing whatsoever to do with the vote taken for the whole of the UK to leave the whole of the EU.Southbank said:
I think the UK Government has been remarkably unbelligerent in its response to the EU over vaccination and has not sought to raise the temperature, even when the EU temporarily blocked vaccines going through Ireland. I think you are underestimating how much the EU cannot stand the UK being successful in any way post Brexit. Their story to their own people is that Brexit is a massive example of self harm. The fact that almost immediately post Brexit the UK has probably the most successful vaccination programme in the whole world is a massive blow to them politically. This has caused them to panic and then to make things even worse by trying to undermine the Oxford vaccine, thus not only damaging their own vaccine programme, but potentially encouraging anti vaxxers in this country as well.ShootersHillGuru said:The eu member states have at this moment 7 million doses of AZ sitting in fridges. Von de Leyen is demanding that the eu get it’s fair share of vaccines. The levels of confidence shown by European citizens to take AZ can best be described as low. Too many are refusing the vaccine altogether. In an already vaccine sceptic population the behaviour and language used towards the AZ vaccine by European leaders has been baffling and extremely unhelpful. Today the European Medical Agency will undoubtedly announce that AZ is as safe as any vaccine and recommend it use. Good news but irreparable damage has been done. It’s looking like mainland Europe is on the precipice of a third wave driven by the U.K. variant and in the grip of both vaccine supply and confidence problems. I think the rhetoric coming out of Brussels is rooted in panic and fear. It’s actually hard to think just how much more wrong the European Union could have got this vaccination programme and the reality is now dawning on them. There are important elections coming in both France and Germany and in a world that is lurching right this absolute and completely avoidable crisis is manna from heaven to Le Pen, AfD and other populist parties. A real and genuine stick to beat the opposition. The political ramifications of what’s happening with Covid in mainland Europe are significant. This is not a problem that the U.K. can watch with impunity from the sidelines. Both aspects of this situation in health and politics will have real impact on us too. Without impinging on the U.K. vaccine rollout it’s very important that the U.K. is as helpful as possible to our neighbours. A Europe facing a third Covid wave this summer with a likelihood of a fourth in the autumn and two influential European partners in France and Germany with right wing leaderships is not something we should help facilitate.
This is a problem entirely of their own making and may well blow up in their faces politicially. The best thing for us to do is, indeed, keep calm and carry on and not respond to their provocations, except to continue to affirm that the Oxford vaccine is fine.
The EU has no cause to be anxious about the UK enjoying any other ‘success’ because of ‘brexit’ because there isn’t any and won’t be any, unless formalising hatred of foreigners and racking up problems in Ireland is seen by brexit voters as a success.Ok folks. I'm coming out. I voted for Brexit then and I would again now. My reasons, along with many other Brexit voters (we tend to hide as people assume we voted leave), is absolutely nothing to do with hatred of foreigners. It is possible to be a Brexit voter and not be a Union Jack wearing fascist.I will be saying no more on the subject.
"Let's keep voting until we win"12 -
All jabbed up with nowhere to go.
Just a slight reaction so far.
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Arsenetatters said:seth plum said:
Any current UK vaccine success has nothing whatsoever to do with the vote taken for the whole of the UK to leave the whole of the EU.Southbank said:
I think the UK Government has been remarkably unbelligerent in its response to the EU over vaccination and has not sought to raise the temperature, even when the EU temporarily blocked vaccines going through Ireland. I think you are underestimating how much the EU cannot stand the UK being successful in any way post Brexit. Their story to their own people is that Brexit is a massive example of self harm. The fact that almost immediately post Brexit the UK has probably the most successful vaccination programme in the whole world is a massive blow to them politically. This has caused them to panic and then to make things even worse by trying to undermine the Oxford vaccine, thus not only damaging their own vaccine programme, but potentially encouraging anti vaxxers in this country as well.ShootersHillGuru said:The eu member states have at this moment 7 million doses of AZ sitting in fridges. Von de Leyen is demanding that the eu get it’s fair share of vaccines. The levels of confidence shown by European citizens to take AZ can best be described as low. Too many are refusing the vaccine altogether. In an already vaccine sceptic population the behaviour and language used towards the AZ vaccine by European leaders has been baffling and extremely unhelpful. Today the European Medical Agency will undoubtedly announce that AZ is as safe as any vaccine and recommend it use. Good news but irreparable damage has been done. It’s looking like mainland Europe is on the precipice of a third wave driven by the U.K. variant and in the grip of both vaccine supply and confidence problems. I think the rhetoric coming out of Brussels is rooted in panic and fear. It’s actually hard to think just how much more wrong the European Union could have got this vaccination programme and the reality is now dawning on them. There are important elections coming in both France and Germany and in a world that is lurching right this absolute and completely avoidable crisis is manna from heaven to Le Pen, AfD and other populist parties. A real and genuine stick to beat the opposition. The political ramifications of what’s happening with Covid in mainland Europe are significant. This is not a problem that the U.K. can watch with impunity from the sidelines. Both aspects of this situation in health and politics will have real impact on us too. Without impinging on the U.K. vaccine rollout it’s very important that the U.K. is as helpful as possible to our neighbours. A Europe facing a third Covid wave this summer with a likelihood of a fourth in the autumn and two influential European partners in France and Germany with right wing leaderships is not something we should help facilitate.
This is a problem entirely of their own making and may well blow up in their faces politicially. The best thing for us to do is, indeed, keep calm and carry on and not respond to their provocations, except to continue to affirm that the Oxford vaccine is fine.
The EU has no cause to be anxious about the UK enjoying any other ‘success’ because of ‘brexit’ because there isn’t any and won’t be any, unless formalising hatred of foreigners and racking up problems in Ireland is seen by brexit voters as a success.Ok folks. I'm coming out. I voted for Brexit then and I would again now. My reasons, along with many other Brexit voters (we tend to hide as people assume we voted leave), is absolutely nothing to do with hatred of foreigners. It is possible to be a Brexit voter and not be a Union Jack wearing fascist.I will be saying no more on the subject.
Well said, I wish people could move on I look on this thread every day for news on Covid and thanks to the brilliant information from Clive and other people on here am happy with that8 -
Did you have it in Norfolk ??Covered End said:All jabbed up with nowhere to go.
Just a slight reaction so far.
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Well said. Fed up with the snidey “Daily Express”, “Red Top”, “Fascist”, “Racist” comments from those who don’t like the opinions of others.Arsenetatters said:seth plum said:
Any current UK vaccine success has nothing whatsoever to do with the vote taken for the whole of the UK to leave the whole of the EU.Southbank said:
I think the UK Government has been remarkably unbelligerent in its response to the EU over vaccination and has not sought to raise the temperature, even when the EU temporarily blocked vaccines going through Ireland. I think you are underestimating how much the EU cannot stand the UK being successful in any way post Brexit. Their story to their own people is that Brexit is a massive example of self harm. The fact that almost immediately post Brexit the UK has probably the most successful vaccination programme in the whole world is a massive blow to them politically. This has caused them to panic and then to make things even worse by trying to undermine the Oxford vaccine, thus not only damaging their own vaccine programme, but potentially encouraging anti vaxxers in this country as well.ShootersHillGuru said:The eu member states have at this moment 7 million doses of AZ sitting in fridges. Von de Leyen is demanding that the eu get it’s fair share of vaccines. The levels of confidence shown by European citizens to take AZ can best be described as low. Too many are refusing the vaccine altogether. In an already vaccine sceptic population the behaviour and language used towards the AZ vaccine by European leaders has been baffling and extremely unhelpful. Today the European Medical Agency will undoubtedly announce that AZ is as safe as any vaccine and recommend it use. Good news but irreparable damage has been done. It’s looking like mainland Europe is on the precipice of a third wave driven by the U.K. variant and in the grip of both vaccine supply and confidence problems. I think the rhetoric coming out of Brussels is rooted in panic and fear. It’s actually hard to think just how much more wrong the European Union could have got this vaccination programme and the reality is now dawning on them. There are important elections coming in both France and Germany and in a world that is lurching right this absolute and completely avoidable crisis is manna from heaven to Le Pen, AfD and other populist parties. A real and genuine stick to beat the opposition. The political ramifications of what’s happening with Covid in mainland Europe are significant. This is not a problem that the U.K. can watch with impunity from the sidelines. Both aspects of this situation in health and politics will have real impact on us too. Without impinging on the U.K. vaccine rollout it’s very important that the U.K. is as helpful as possible to our neighbours. A Europe facing a third Covid wave this summer with a likelihood of a fourth in the autumn and two influential European partners in France and Germany with right wing leaderships is not something we should help facilitate.
This is a problem entirely of their own making and may well blow up in their faces politicially. The best thing for us to do is, indeed, keep calm and carry on and not respond to their provocations, except to continue to affirm that the Oxford vaccine is fine.
The EU has no cause to be anxious about the UK enjoying any other ‘success’ because of ‘brexit’ because there isn’t any and won’t be any, unless formalising hatred of foreigners and racking up problems in Ireland is seen by brexit voters as a success.Ok folks. I'm coming out. I voted for Brexit then and I would again now. My reasons, along with many other Brexit voters (we tend to hide as people assume we voted leave), is absolutely nothing to do with hatred of foreigners. It is possible to be a Brexit voter and not be a Union Jack wearing fascist.I will be saying no more on the subject.19 -
I'm a somewhat less confident about that, having just come off the phone to my parents, who have been getting the runaround all morning trying to find out how to book their second dose, having had their first just over 9 weeks ago. Their GP surgery doesn't know, the centre where they had their first dose doesn't know, the CCG doesn't know... It's got the makings of a bit of a shambles.cantersaddick said:
Check out my post on the other thread. This precaution has been put in place to limit first doses and protect 2nd doses during that periodseth plum said:I assume that there will be a lot of second jabs missing the 12 week repeat due to shortages.
Or is the demand for and timing of second jabs all under control?
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Had mine at 10am all ok so far 🙏3
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There is no evidence the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine causes blood clots, the UK's medicines regulator says after a "thorough and careful review".
The MHRA says people can have confidence in the vaccine's benefits and should get immunised when invited, despite some countries suspending use.
But anyone with a headache lasting more than four days after vaccination should seek medical advice, as a precaution.
The same advice applies if someone develops unusual bruising, it says.
That is because the MHRA has received a very small number of reports of an extremely rare form of blood clot occurring in the brain.
The five cases of cerebral sinus vein thrombosis (CSVT), among 11 million people who have received the vaccine, occurred in men aged between 19 and 59. One of the cases was fatal.
CSVT can occur naturally and no link to the vaccine has been established. The patients also had low blood platelet counts - cells involved with clotting.
MHRA Chief Executive Dr June Raine said they would closely monitor the situation and people should have the vaccine when it is their turn: "We continually monitor safety during use of all a vaccines to protect the public, and to ensure the benefits continue to outweigh the risks."
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I don't think there is any link between their experience and the delay to receiving a batch. The majority of people are having their 2nd dose booked in at the same time as their first - this is supposed to be the default for vaccination centres. At the least they should be given booking instructions when receiving their first dose.aliwibble said:
I'm a somewhat less confident about that, having just come off the phone to my parents, who have been getting the runaround all morning trying to find out how to book their second dose, having had their first just over 9 weeks ago. Their GP surgery doesn't know, the centre where they had their first does doesn't know, the CCG doesn't know... It's got the makings of a bit of a shambles.cantersaddick said:
Check out my post on the other thread. This precaution has been put in place to limit first doses and protect 2nd doses during that periodseth plum said:I assume that there will be a lot of second jabs missing the 12 week repeat due to shortages.
Or is the demand for and timing of second jabs all under control?
If I was them I wouldn't panic, 2nd doses are not going to be affected by this so they will be able to get it booked its just about working out how. I would keep on at the centre where they got their first dose and hope they get through to someone else who knows what to do. Everyone is supposed to be guaranteed to be able to get their 2nd dose in the same place they got their first if they so choose so its their responsibility to sort.
I'm still incredibly surprised they weren't given anything about booking this at their first dose. Have they re-checked the papers/info they were given then? Has this happened to anyone else?0 -
Had first dose early Feb , was told to wait to be contacted by the surgery to get my second dose booked in.1
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alan dugdale said:
Well said. Fed up with the snidey “Daily Express”, “Red Top”, “Fascist”, “Racist” comments from those who don’t like the opinions of others.Arsenetatters said:seth plum said:
Any current UK vaccine success has nothing whatsoever to do with the vote taken for the whole of the UK to leave the whole of the EU.Southbank said:
I think the UK Government has been remarkably unbelligerent in its response to the EU over vaccination and has not sought to raise the temperature, even when the EU temporarily blocked vaccines going through Ireland. I think you are underestimating how much the EU cannot stand the UK being successful in any way post Brexit. Their story to their own people is that Brexit is a massive example of self harm. The fact that almost immediately post Brexit the UK has probably the most successful vaccination programme in the whole world is a massive blow to them politically. This has caused them to panic and then to make things even worse by trying to undermine the Oxford vaccine, thus not only damaging their own vaccine programme, but potentially encouraging anti vaxxers in this country as well.ShootersHillGuru said:The eu member states have at this moment 7 million doses of AZ sitting in fridges. Von de Leyen is demanding that the eu get it’s fair share of vaccines. The levels of confidence shown by European citizens to take AZ can best be described as low. Too many are refusing the vaccine altogether. In an already vaccine sceptic population the behaviour and language used towards the AZ vaccine by European leaders has been baffling and extremely unhelpful. Today the European Medical Agency will undoubtedly announce that AZ is as safe as any vaccine and recommend it use. Good news but irreparable damage has been done. It’s looking like mainland Europe is on the precipice of a third wave driven by the U.K. variant and in the grip of both vaccine supply and confidence problems. I think the rhetoric coming out of Brussels is rooted in panic and fear. It’s actually hard to think just how much more wrong the European Union could have got this vaccination programme and the reality is now dawning on them. There are important elections coming in both France and Germany and in a world that is lurching right this absolute and completely avoidable crisis is manna from heaven to Le Pen, AfD and other populist parties. A real and genuine stick to beat the opposition. The political ramifications of what’s happening with Covid in mainland Europe are significant. This is not a problem that the U.K. can watch with impunity from the sidelines. Both aspects of this situation in health and politics will have real impact on us too. Without impinging on the U.K. vaccine rollout it’s very important that the U.K. is as helpful as possible to our neighbours. A Europe facing a third Covid wave this summer with a likelihood of a fourth in the autumn and two influential European partners in France and Germany with right wing leaderships is not something we should help facilitate.
This is a problem entirely of their own making and may well blow up in their faces politicially. The best thing for us to do is, indeed, keep calm and carry on and not respond to their provocations, except to continue to affirm that the Oxford vaccine is fine.
The EU has no cause to be anxious about the UK enjoying any other ‘success’ because of ‘brexit’ because there isn’t any and won’t be any, unless formalising hatred of foreigners and racking up problems in Ireland is seen by brexit voters as a success.Ok folks. I'm coming out. I voted for Brexit then and I would again now. My reasons, along with many other Brexit voters (we tend to hide as people assume we voted leave), is absolutely nothing to do with hatred of foreigners. It is possible to be a Brexit voter and not be a Union Jack wearing fascist.I will be saying no more on the subject.
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My Dad on Isle of Wight wasn't given any info about his second dose when he got his first.cantersaddick said:
I don't think there is any link between their experience and the delay to receiving a batch. The majority of people are having their 2nd dose booked in at the same time as their first - this is supposed to be the default for vaccination centres. At the least they should be given booking instructions when receiving their first dose.aliwibble said:
I'm a somewhat less confident about that, having just come off the phone to my parents, who have been getting the runaround all morning trying to find out how to book their second dose, having had their first just over 9 weeks ago. Their GP surgery doesn't know, the centre where they had their first does doesn't know, the CCG doesn't know... It's got the makings of a bit of a shambles.cantersaddick said:
Check out my post on the other thread. This precaution has been put in place to limit first doses and protect 2nd doses during that periodseth plum said:I assume that there will be a lot of second jabs missing the 12 week repeat due to shortages.
Or is the demand for and timing of second jabs all under control?
If I was them I wouldn't panic, 2nd doses are not going to be affected by this so they will be able to get it booked its just about working out how. I would keep on at the centre where they got their first dose and hope they get through to someone else who knows what to do. Everyone is supposed to be guaranteed to be able to get their 2nd dose in the same place they got their first if they so choose so its their responsibility to sort.
I'm still incredibly surprised they weren't given anything about booking this at their first dose. Have they re-checked the papers/info they were given then? Has this happened to anyone else?1
