Vaccine

Covered End

aliwibble said:

cantersaddick said:

seth plum said:

I assume that there will be a lot of second jabs missing the 12 week repeat due to shortages.
Or is the demand for and timing of second jabs all under control?

Check out my post on the other thread. This precaution has been put in place to limit first doses and protect 2nd doses during that period 

I'm a somewhat less confident about that, having just come off the phone to my parents, who have been getting the runaround all morning trying to find out how to book their second dose, having had their first just over 9 weeks ago. Their GP surgery doesn't know, the centre where they had their first does doesn't know, the CCG doesn't know... It's got the makings of a bit of a shambles.

I thought everyone booked 1st & 2nd jabs at the same time.
I did on the NHS booking site.
Mind you my 1st is 100 yards from where I live but there was nowhere in Bromley for the 2nd.
Nearest options were Catford, Lewisham or Well Hall.

Red_Pete_in_Dubai

When we had our 1st jab in February we were told we would be contacted "in due course" about dates for the 2nd jab.

stonemuse

cantersaddick said:

aliwibble said:

cantersaddick said:

seth plum said:

I assume that there will be a lot of second jabs missing the 12 week repeat due to shortages.
Or is the demand for and timing of second jabs all under control?

Check out my post on the other thread. This precaution has been put in place to limit first doses and protect 2nd doses during that period 

I'm a somewhat less confident about that, having just come off the phone to my parents, who have been getting the runaround all morning trying to find out how to book their second dose, having had their first just over 9 weeks ago. Their GP surgery doesn't know, the centre where they had their first does doesn't know, the CCG doesn't know... It's got the makings of a bit of a shambles.

I don't think there is any link between their experience and the delay to receiving a batch. The majority of people are having their 2nd dose booked in at the same time as their first - this is supposed to be the default for vaccination centres. At the least they should be given booking instructions when receiving their first dose. 

If I was them I wouldn't panic, 2nd doses are not going to be affected by this so they will be able to get it booked its just about working out how. I would keep on at the centre where they got their first dose and hope they get through to someone else who knows what to do. Everyone is supposed to be guaranteed to be able to get their 2nd dose in the same place they got their first if they so choose so its their responsibility to sort.

I'm still incredibly surprised they weren't given anything about booking this at their first dose. Have they re-checked the papers/info they were given then? Has this happened to anyone else?

Did not receive date for my 2nd jab, nor did my wife, nor two other couples I know who had jabs at the same time, early February. 

Due in last week April, and I am confident we will be contacted. 

alan dugdale

Johnnysummers5 said:

alan dugdale said:

Arsenetatters said:

seth plum said:

Southbank said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

The eu member states have at this moment 7 million doses of AZ sitting in fridges. Von de Leyen is demanding that the eu get it’s fair share of vaccines. The levels of confidence shown by European citizens to take AZ can best be described as low. Too many are refusing the vaccine altogether. In an already vaccine sceptic population the behaviour and language used towards the AZ vaccine by European leaders has been baffling and extremely unhelpful. Today the European Medical Agency will undoubtedly announce that AZ is as safe as any vaccine and recommend it use. Good news but irreparable damage has been done. It’s looking like mainland Europe is on the precipice of a third wave driven by the U.K. variant and in the grip of both vaccine supply and confidence problems. I think the rhetoric coming out of Brussels is rooted in panic and fear. It’s actually hard to think just how much more wrong the European Union could have got this vaccination programme and the reality is now dawning on them. There are important elections coming in both France and Germany and in a world that is lurching right this absolute and completely avoidable crisis is manna from heaven to Le Pen, AfD and other populist parties. A real and genuine stick to beat the opposition. The political ramifications of what’s happening with Covid in mainland Europe are significant. This is not a problem that the U.K. can watch with impunity from the sidelines. Both aspects of this situation in health and politics will have real impact on us too. Without impinging on the U.K. vaccine rollout it’s very important that the U.K. is as helpful as possible to our neighbours. A Europe facing a third Covid wave this summer with a likelihood of a fourth in the autumn and two influential European partners in France and Germany with right wing leaderships is not something we should help facilitate. 

I think the UK Government has been remarkably unbelligerent in its response to the EU over vaccination and has not sought to raise the temperature, even when the EU temporarily blocked vaccines going through Ireland. I think you are underestimating how much the EU cannot stand the UK being successful in any way post Brexit. Their story to their own people is that Brexit is a massive example of self harm. The fact that almost immediately post Brexit the UK has probably the most successful vaccination programme in the whole world is a massive blow to them politically. This has caused them to panic and then to make things even worse by trying to undermine the Oxford vaccine, thus not only damaging their own vaccine programme, but potentially encouraging anti vaxxers in this country as well.

This is a problem entirely of their own making and may well blow up in their faces politicially. The best thing for us to do is, indeed, keep calm and carry on and not respond to their provocations, except to continue to affirm that the Oxford vaccine is fine.

Any current UK vaccine success has nothing whatsoever to do with the vote taken for the whole of the UK to leave the whole of the EU.
The EU has no cause to be anxious about the UK enjoying any other ‘success’ because of ‘brexit’ because there isn’t any and won’t be any, unless formalising hatred of foreigners and racking up problems in Ireland is seen by brexit voters as a success.

Ok folks. I'm coming out. I voted for Brexit then and I would again now. My reasons, along with many other Brexit voters (we tend to hide as people assume we voted leave), is absolutely nothing to do with hatred of foreigners. It is possible to be a Brexit voter and not be a Union Jack wearing fascist.

I will be saying no more on the subject.

Well said. Fed up with the snidey “Daily Express”, “Red Top”, “Fascist”, “Racist” comments from those who don’t like the opinions of others.

Hope you are getting back to full fitness now

Thanks for that mate. The jab seemed to set me back for a week or so, then I got cellulitis ! 

I’m way behind where I should be but able to get around on both crutches still. So frustrating but I’ll get there !

ShootersHillGuru

I think those people using the National vaccine booking service got both dates when they booked their first. Those getting their jabs via more local GP practice surgeries were told that they would be contacted regarding their second dose date. I’m sure there are exceptions but that’s more the norm I think.

killerandflash

ShootersHillGuru said:

I think those people using the National vaccine booking service got both dates when they booked their first. Those getting their jabs via more local GP practice surgeries were told that they would be contacted regarding their second dose date. I’m sure there are exceptions but that’s more the norm I think.

In December my parents were contacted by their GP practice and had their 1st jab. They were also given a date 3 weeks later for a second jab, but when the policy changed this was then cancelled.

They were then contacted again 2 months later for their second jab, which ended up being 11 weeks after their 1st, so presumably the most convenient time for the GP practice, and when they had Pfizer in.

Red_in_SE8

Can I just say, on here,  the most insincere  thanks to Walter (Chippy) Mitty and others like him, for making it possible for me and other members of my family to receive a vaccination. You deserve the gratitude of the whole nation Walter. And for all the other secret selfless work you and your wife do to keep us all safe.

TellyTubby

alan dugdale said:

Arsenetatters said:

seth plum said:

Southbank said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

The eu member states have at this moment 7 million doses of AZ sitting in fridges. Von de Leyen is demanding that the eu get it’s fair share of vaccines. The levels of confidence shown by European citizens to take AZ can best be described as low. Too many are refusing the vaccine altogether. In an already vaccine sceptic population the behaviour and language used towards the AZ vaccine by European leaders has been baffling and extremely unhelpful. Today the European Medical Agency will undoubtedly announce that AZ is as safe as any vaccine and recommend it use. Good news but irreparable damage has been done. It’s looking like mainland Europe is on the precipice of a third wave driven by the U.K. variant and in the grip of both vaccine supply and confidence problems. I think the rhetoric coming out of Brussels is rooted in panic and fear. It’s actually hard to think just how much more wrong the European Union could have got this vaccination programme and the reality is now dawning on them. There are important elections coming in both France and Germany and in a world that is lurching right this absolute and completely avoidable crisis is manna from heaven to Le Pen, AfD and other populist parties. A real and genuine stick to beat the opposition. The political ramifications of what’s happening with Covid in mainland Europe are significant. This is not a problem that the U.K. can watch with impunity from the sidelines. Both aspects of this situation in health and politics will have real impact on us too. Without impinging on the U.K. vaccine rollout it’s very important that the U.K. is as helpful as possible to our neighbours. A Europe facing a third Covid wave this summer with a likelihood of a fourth in the autumn and two influential European partners in France and Germany with right wing leaderships is not something we should help facilitate. 

I think the UK Government has been remarkably unbelligerent in its response to the EU over vaccination and has not sought to raise the temperature, even when the EU temporarily blocked vaccines going through Ireland. I think you are underestimating how much the EU cannot stand the UK being successful in any way post Brexit. Their story to their own people is that Brexit is a massive example of self harm. The fact that almost immediately post Brexit the UK has probably the most successful vaccination programme in the whole world is a massive blow to them politically. This has caused them to panic and then to make things even worse by trying to undermine the Oxford vaccine, thus not only damaging their own vaccine programme, but potentially encouraging anti vaxxers in this country as well.

This is a problem entirely of their own making and may well blow up in their faces politicially. The best thing for us to do is, indeed, keep calm and carry on and not respond to their provocations, except to continue to affirm that the Oxford vaccine is fine.

Any current UK vaccine success has nothing whatsoever to do with the vote taken for the whole of the UK to leave the whole of the EU.
The EU has no cause to be anxious about the UK enjoying any other ‘success’ because of ‘brexit’ because there isn’t any and won’t be any, unless formalising hatred of foreigners and racking up problems in Ireland is seen by brexit voters as a success.

Ok folks. I'm coming out. I voted for Brexit then and I would again now. My reasons, along with many other Brexit voters (we tend to hide as people assume we voted leave), is absolutely nothing to do with hatred of foreigners. It is possible to be a Brexit voter and not be a Union Jack wearing fascist.

I will be saying no more on the subject.

Well said. Fed up with the snidey “Daily Express”, “Red Top”, “Fascist”, “Racist” comments from those who don’t like the opinions of others.

That's why I got out of the House of Commoners area. I now see that the hatred for UK democratic process has made it's way onto this thread as well. 

alan dugdale

TellyTubby said:

alan dugdale said:

Arsenetatters said:

seth plum said:

Southbank said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

The eu member states have at this moment 7 million doses of AZ sitting in fridges. Von de Leyen is demanding that the eu get it’s fair share of vaccines. The levels of confidence shown by European citizens to take AZ can best be described as low. Too many are refusing the vaccine altogether. In an already vaccine sceptic population the behaviour and language used towards the AZ vaccine by European leaders has been baffling and extremely unhelpful. Today the European Medical Agency will undoubtedly announce that AZ is as safe as any vaccine and recommend it use. Good news but irreparable damage has been done. It’s looking like mainland Europe is on the precipice of a third wave driven by the U.K. variant and in the grip of both vaccine supply and confidence problems. I think the rhetoric coming out of Brussels is rooted in panic and fear. It’s actually hard to think just how much more wrong the European Union could have got this vaccination programme and the reality is now dawning on them. There are important elections coming in both France and Germany and in a world that is lurching right this absolute and completely avoidable crisis is manna from heaven to Le Pen, AfD and other populist parties. A real and genuine stick to beat the opposition. The political ramifications of what’s happening with Covid in mainland Europe are significant. This is not a problem that the U.K. can watch with impunity from the sidelines. Both aspects of this situation in health and politics will have real impact on us too. Without impinging on the U.K. vaccine rollout it’s very important that the U.K. is as helpful as possible to our neighbours. A Europe facing a third Covid wave this summer with a likelihood of a fourth in the autumn and two influential European partners in France and Germany with right wing leaderships is not something we should help facilitate. 

I think the UK Government has been remarkably unbelligerent in its response to the EU over vaccination and has not sought to raise the temperature, even when the EU temporarily blocked vaccines going through Ireland. I think you are underestimating how much the EU cannot stand the UK being successful in any way post Brexit. Their story to their own people is that Brexit is a massive example of self harm. The fact that almost immediately post Brexit the UK has probably the most successful vaccination programme in the whole world is a massive blow to them politically. This has caused them to panic and then to make things even worse by trying to undermine the Oxford vaccine, thus not only damaging their own vaccine programme, but potentially encouraging anti vaxxers in this country as well.

This is a problem entirely of their own making and may well blow up in their faces politicially. The best thing for us to do is, indeed, keep calm and carry on and not respond to their provocations, except to continue to affirm that the Oxford vaccine is fine.

Any current UK vaccine success has nothing whatsoever to do with the vote taken for the whole of the UK to leave the whole of the EU.
The EU has no cause to be anxious about the UK enjoying any other ‘success’ because of ‘brexit’ because there isn’t any and won’t be any, unless formalising hatred of foreigners and racking up problems in Ireland is seen by brexit voters as a success.

Ok folks. I'm coming out. I voted for Brexit then and I would again now. My reasons, along with many other Brexit voters (we tend to hide as people assume we voted leave), is absolutely nothing to do with hatred of foreigners. It is possible to be a Brexit voter and not be a Union Jack wearing fascist.

I will be saying no more on the subject.

Well said. Fed up with the snidey “Daily Express”, “Red Top”, “Fascist”, “Racist” comments from those who don’t like the opinions of others.

That's why I got out of the House of Commoners area. I now see that the hatred for UK democratic process has made it's way onto this thread as well. 

Unfortunately, it seems so. But, regardless of the democratic processes, it’s not on to immediately call out others with unfounded, rude comments.  

cantersaddick

Covered End said:

aliwibble said:

cantersaddick said:

seth plum said:

I assume that there will be a lot of second jabs missing the 12 week repeat due to shortages.
Or is the demand for and timing of second jabs all under control?

Check out my post on the other thread. This precaution has been put in place to limit first doses and protect 2nd doses during that period 

I'm a somewhat less confident about that, having just come off the phone to my parents, who have been getting the runaround all morning trying to find out how to book their second dose, having had their first just over 9 weeks ago. Their GP surgery doesn't know, the centre where they had their first does doesn't know, the CCG doesn't know... It's got the makings of a bit of a shambles.

I thought everyone booked 1st & 2nd jabs at the same time.
I did on the NHS booking site.
Mind you my 1st is 100 yards from where I live but there was nowhere in Bromley for the 2nd.
Nearest options were Catford, Lewisham or Well Hall.

Thats what supposed to happen, worrying that there are so many examples where it hasn't.

ShootersHillGuru said:

I think those people using the National vaccine booking service got both dates when they booked their first. Those getting their jabs via more local GP practice surgeries were told that they would be contacted regarding their second dose date. I’m sure there are exceptions but that’s more the norm I think.

Fair enough. Still think the NHSE guidance to centres is to book both at once but there must be some flexibility about this.

Nadou

I'm another one who had my first jab - seven weeks ago - and was not given a date for the second. "We'll contact you," was the message. Somewhat confusing to read Hancock and Co saying all appointments will be honoured. And if you haven't got an actual appointment?

clive

It seems that people who were offered their vaccine by their GP were told to wait to be contacted for their 2nd jab, whereas people who book via the NHS site can book date/time & venue for both their jabs.

Covered End

cantersaddick said:

Covered End said:

aliwibble said:

cantersaddick said:

seth plum said:

I assume that there will be a lot of second jabs missing the 12 week repeat due to shortages.
Or is the demand for and timing of second jabs all under control?

Check out my post on the other thread. This precaution has been put in place to limit first doses and protect 2nd doses during that period 

I'm a somewhat less confident about that, having just come off the phone to my parents, who have been getting the runaround all morning trying to find out how to book their second dose, having had their first just over 9 weeks ago. Their GP surgery doesn't know, the centre where they had their first does doesn't know, the CCG doesn't know... It's got the makings of a bit of a shambles.

I thought everyone booked 1st & 2nd jabs at the same time.
I did on the NHS booking site.
Mind you my 1st is 100 yards from where I live but there was nowhere in Bromley for the 2nd.
Nearest options were Catford, Lewisham or Well Hall.

Thats what supposed to happen, worrying that there are so many examples where it hasn't.

ShootersHillGuru said:

I think those people using the National vaccine booking service got both dates when they booked their first. Those getting their jabs via more local GP practice surgeries were told that they would be contacted regarding their second dose date. I’m sure there are exceptions but that’s more the norm I think.

Fair enough. Still think the NHSE guidance to centres is to book both at once but there must be some flexibility about this.

It recommended booking both at the same time, but it wasn't compulsory.
I thought better to be safe than sorry, even though I need to go a few miles for the 2nd.

cantersaddick

Nadou said:

I'm another one who had my first jab - seven weeks ago - and was not given a date for the second. "We'll contact you," was the message. Somewhat confusing to read Hancock and Co saying all appointments will be honoured. And if you haven't got an actual appointment?

All appointments will be honoured is talking about first appointments already made. They have committed to doing all 2nd doses due in that period which is why they are limiting first doses in that period to ensure there is enough.

cherryorchard

I had my first jab on February 11th organised by my GP surgery (although I had to go to different surgery to have it).  A second appointment was made whilst I was in treatment room for 29 April - same place, same time.

Addickted

My vaccination card gives the time, date and place for the second jab.

I've since had a letter bringing the date forward by a week.

PrincessFiona

cantersaddick said:

Covered End said:

aliwibble said:

cantersaddick said:

seth plum said:

I assume that there will be a lot of second jabs missing the 12 week repeat due to shortages.
Or is the demand for and timing of second jabs all under control?

Check out my post on the other thread. This precaution has been put in place to limit first doses and protect 2nd doses during that period 

I'm a somewhat less confident about that, having just come off the phone to my parents, who have been getting the runaround all morning trying to find out how to book their second dose, having had their first just over 9 weeks ago. Their GP surgery doesn't know, the centre where they had their first does doesn't know, the CCG doesn't know... It's got the makings of a bit of a shambles.

I thought everyone booked 1st & 2nd jabs at the same time.
I did on the NHS booking site.
Mind you my 1st is 100 yards from where I live but there was nowhere in Bromley for the 2nd.
Nearest options were Catford, Lewisham or Well Hall.

Thats what supposed to happen, worrying that there are so many examples where it hasn't.

ShootersHillGuru said:

I think those people using the National vaccine booking service got both dates when they booked their first. Those getting their jabs via more local GP practice surgeries were told that they would be contacted regarding their second dose date. I’m sure there are exceptions but that’s more the norm I think.

Fair enough. Still think the NHSE guidance to centres is to book both at once but there must be some flexibility about this.

From the experiences of friends and family those that booked regionally on the NHS website booked both appointments and those via their GP are contacted later re the second jab. Everyone I know who got their first jab via their GP has been contacted re their second in time

simonmatthews

ShootersHillGuru said:

I think those people using the National vaccine booking service got both dates when they booked their first. Those getting their jabs via more local GP practice surgeries were told that they would be contacted regarding their second dose date. I’m sure there are exceptions but that’s more the norm I think.

That's how it worked for me. Had my jab on Tuesday in a shopping centre in Chatham. Completely exhausted by 10pm that night and took it easy the following day. Feel ok now. 2nd one due in June.

CatAddick

Son had Pfizer early Jan (NHS staff at hospital) and booked both 1st and 2nd at the same time
Mother had Pfizer mid Jan in our local centre, only booked 1st and was told she'd be contacted when time to book second
I had AZ at the same centre early Feb, only booked 1st but was given appointment for 2nd jab when I turned up

It does seem a bit random but it seems to be working...

eaststandmike

I can only second what people are saying about the NHS booking service. We logged on and booked our first jab and at the end it gave us the option to book our second jabs. All done and dusted, email printed off and a card as well.

PrincessFiona

seth plum said:

I assume that there will be a lot of second jabs missing the 12 week repeat due to shortages.
Or is the demand for and timing of second jabs all under control?

Not my understanding of the situation but not entirely unplayable. I saw in a sitrep today that the vaccination programme is currently about 3 weeks ahead if schedule. But it looks like delays will eat into that.

My understanding is people won't get a first jab if there isn't the capacity (guaranteed supply) for their second, bearing in mind the EU shenanigans started a while back and potential delays and disruptions to the supply chain would have been taken into account 

PrincessFiona

Lordflashheart said:

Covered End said:

All jabbed up with nowhere to go.
Just a slight reaction so far. 

Did you have it in Norfolk ??

Spanner!

robinofottershaw

cantersaddick said:

aliwibble said:

cantersaddick said:

seth plum said:

I assume that there will be a lot of second jabs missing the 12 week repeat due to shortages.
Or is the demand for and timing of second jabs all under control?

Check out my post on the other thread. This precaution has been put in place to limit first doses and protect 2nd doses during that period 

I'm a somewhat less confident about that, having just come off the phone to my parents, who have been getting the runaround all morning trying to find out how to book their second dose, having had their first just over 9 weeks ago. Their GP surgery doesn't know, the centre where they had their first does doesn't know, the CCG doesn't know... It's got the makings of a bit of a shambles.

I don't think there is any link between their experience and the delay to receiving a batch. The majority of people are having their 2nd dose booked in at the same time as their first - this is supposed to be the default for vaccination centres. At the least they should be given booking instructions when receiving their first dose. 

If I was them I wouldn't panic, 2nd doses are not going to be affected by this so they will be able to get it booked its just about working out how. I would keep on at the centre where they got their first dose and hope they get through to someone else who knows what to do. Everyone is supposed to be guaranteed to be able to get their 2nd dose in the same place they got their first if they so choose so its their responsibility to sort.

I'm still incredibly surprised they weren't given anything about booking this at their first dose. Have they re-checked the papers/info they were given then? Has this happened to anyone else?

I was simply advised I would be invited to book my second jab in due course. Our GP surgery is handling all the invites via text/email messages with a link to the booking app for the local hospital. I only had my first jab 5 weeks ago so a while to go for the second one.

LargeAddick

cantersaddick said:

aliwibble said:

cantersaddick said:

seth plum said:

I assume that there will be a lot of second jabs missing the 12 week repeat due to shortages.
Or is the demand for and timing of second jabs all under control?

Check out my post on the other thread. This precaution has been put in place to limit first doses and protect 2nd doses during that period 

I'm a somewhat less confident about that, having just come off the phone to my parents, who have been getting the runaround all morning trying to find out how to book their second dose, having had their first just over 9 weeks ago. Their GP surgery doesn't know, the centre where they had their first does doesn't know, the CCG doesn't know... It's got the makings of a bit of a shambles.

I don't think there is any link between their experience and the delay to receiving a batch. The majority of people are having their 2nd dose booked in at the same time as their first - this is supposed to be the default for vaccination centres. At the least they should be given booking instructions when receiving their first dose. 

If I was them I wouldn't panic, 2nd doses are not going to be affected by this so they will be able to get it booked its just about working out how. I would keep on at the centre where they got their first dose and hope they get through to someone else who knows what to do. Everyone is supposed to be guaranteed to be able to get their 2nd dose in the same place they got their first if they so choose so its their responsibility to sort.

I'm still incredibly surprised they weren't given anything about booking this at their first dose. Have they re-checked the papers/info they were given then? Has this happened to anyone else?

Neither myself, my wife, my Mum, my Dad or my mother in law were given any dates or even instructions about the second dose when we received the first dose at our local vaccination centre. Three of us got a call from the surgery for the first dose, two invited by text, so I assume we will hear the same way sometime before the twelve weeks are up.

PrincessFiona

Southbank said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

The eu member states have at this moment 7 million doses of AZ sitting in fridges. Von de Leyen is demanding that the eu get it’s fair share of vaccines. The levels of confidence shown by European citizens to take AZ can best be described as low. Too many are refusing the vaccine altogether. In an already vaccine sceptic population the behaviour and language used towards the AZ vaccine by European leaders has been baffling and extremely unhelpful. Today the European Medical Agency will undoubtedly announce that AZ is as safe as any vaccine and recommend it use. Good news but irreparable damage has been done. It’s looking like mainland Europe is on the precipice of a third wave driven by the U.K. variant and in the grip of both vaccine supply and confidence problems. I think the rhetoric coming out of Brussels is rooted in panic and fear. It’s actually hard to think just how much more wrong the European Union could have got this vaccination programme and the reality is now dawning on them. There are important elections coming in both France and Germany and in a world that is lurching right this absolute and completely avoidable crisis is manna from heaven to Le Pen, AfD and other populist parties. A real and genuine stick to beat the opposition. The political ramifications of what’s happening with Covid in mainland Europe are significant. This is not a problem that the U.K. can watch with impunity from the sidelines. Both aspects of this situation in health and politics will have real impact on us too. Without impinging on the U.K. vaccine rollout it’s very important that the U.K. is as helpful as possible to our neighbours. A Europe facing a third Covid wave this summer with a likelihood of a fourth in the autumn and two influential European partners in France and Germany with right wing leaderships is not something we should help facilitate. 

I think the UK Government has been remarkably unbelligerent in its response to the EU over vaccination and has not sought to raise the temperature, even when the EU temporarily blocked vaccines going through Ireland. I think you are underestimating how much the EU cannot stand the UK being successful in any way post Brexit. Their story to their own people is that Brexit is a massive example of self harm. The fact that almost immediately post Brexit the UK has probably the most successful vaccination programme in the whole world is a massive blow to them politically. This has caused them to panic and then to make things even worse by trying to undermine the Oxford vaccine, thus not only damaging their own vaccine programme, but potentially encouraging anti vaxxers in this country as well.

This is a problem entirely of their own making and may well blow up in their faces politicially. The best thing for us to do is, indeed, keep calm and carry on and not respond to their provocations, except to continue to affirm that the Oxford vaccine is fine.

I would not suggest the different success or otherwise of the UK and EU vaccination programmes is any indication of the success or otherwise of Brexit. But the behaviour of the EU is very'interesting' if difficult to understand.

They anounced they were going to block exports of a vaccine they then said they didn't want even though their medical body reiterated they approved it.

The outcome seems to be that not only are they potentially jeopardising the health of their own people but there is a realistic possibility of further waves. Which could jeopardise nationals who make up the majority of their tourism and have had both vaccinations travelling there and spending lots of Euros and helping their tourism industry and economy! 

If that happens we'll just go elsewhere (when and where we can)! I also saw today that opening up travel when lockdown is lifted is unlikely. The colleague reporting back said he was putting his holiday stuff away

aliwibble

ShootersHillGuru said:

I think those people using the National vaccine booking service got both dates when they booked their first. Those getting their jabs via more local GP practice surgeries were told that they would be contacted regarding their second dose date. I’m sure there are exceptions but that’s more the norm I think.

Yep, Mum and Dad got their appointments via their GP surgery, so that tallies.

cafcfan

LargeAddick said:

cantersaddick said:

aliwibble said:

cantersaddick said:

seth plum said:

I assume that there will be a lot of second jabs missing the 12 week repeat due to shortages.
Or is the demand for and timing of second jabs all under control?

Check out my post on the other thread. This precaution has been put in place to limit first doses and protect 2nd doses during that period 

I'm a somewhat less confident about that, having just come off the phone to my parents, who have been getting the runaround all morning trying to find out how to book their second dose, having had their first just over 9 weeks ago. Their GP surgery doesn't know, the centre where they had their first does doesn't know, the CCG doesn't know... It's got the makings of a bit of a shambles.

I don't think there is any link between their experience and the delay to receiving a batch. The majority of people are having their 2nd dose booked in at the same time as their first - this is supposed to be the default for vaccination centres. At the least they should be given booking instructions when receiving their first dose. 

If I was them I wouldn't panic, 2nd doses are not going to be affected by this so they will be able to get it booked its just about working out how. I would keep on at the centre where they got their first dose and hope they get through to someone else who knows what to do. Everyone is supposed to be guaranteed to be able to get their 2nd dose in the same place they got their first if they so choose so its their responsibility to sort.

I'm still incredibly surprised they weren't given anything about booking this at their first dose. Have they re-checked the papers/info they were given then? Has this happened to anyone else?

Neither myself, my wife, my Mum, my Dad or my mother in law were given any dates or even instructions about the second dose when we received the first dose at our local vaccination centre. Three of us got a call from the surgery for the first dose, two invited by text, so I assume we will hear the same way sometime before the twelve weeks are up.

Yes, that's kind of what happened with us. First jab on 12 Feb. But on the advice of a friend we didn't wait to be contacted for the second jab and went on to the web site to book.  The system knew we had already had jab 1 and booked us in for jab 2 on 30 April.  I wouldn't wait for someone to contact you but get it sorted on-line.

Spitfire76

Now there’s a surprise 

Covid-19: EU states to resume AstraZeneca vaccine rollout https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56440139

ShootersHillGuru

Spitfire76 said:

Now there’s a surprise 

Covid-19: EU states to resume AstraZeneca vaccine rollout https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56440139

Those countries should be ashamed of themselves. 

Redrobo

ShootersHillGuru said:

Spitfire76 said:

Now there’s a surprise 

Covid-19: EU states to resume AstraZeneca vaccine rollout https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56440139

Those countries should be ashamed of themselves. 

Too true. I think it is one death out of 17million vaccinated due to this blood clot. The death rate of COVID makes the decision of some European Countries to halt vaccinations a disgrace. The spread of COVID is picking up pace in areas of Europe and some are likely to go into a third lockdown. Thousands are going to die because the politicians can’t see the big picture.