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Nadou said:So are you suggesting the information or debate should be suppressed?2
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I'd much rather take my chances with the vaccine than getting Covid.10
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ME14addick said:I'd much rather take my chances with the vaccine than getting Covid.3
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Stats show that about 1 in 2.5m people could die from blood clotting after having the AZ vacinne. If 2.5m people over 65 caught covid then the rate of death would be in the region of 50000. If 2.5m people under 45 caught covid then the death rate would be in the region of 2500. A risk worth taking.5
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ShootersHillGuru said:ME14addick said:I'd much rather take my chances with the vaccine than getting Covid.2
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Yes, I did read The Lancet report and was struck by "We are, however, aware that although a substantial fraction of the thromboembolisms seem to be venous, reports are emerging of rare types of multiple thrombosis, bleeding, and thrombocytopenia, apparently similar to disseminated intravascular coagulation, occurring in otherwise healthy individuals shortly after receiving the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.1
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Hartleypete said:Leroy Ambrose said:Hartleypete said:ShootersHillGuru said:Hartleypete said:Leroy Ambrose said:Hartleypete said:ShootersHillGuru said:Nadou said:ShootersHillGuru said:Nadou said:30 blood clot cases attributed to AZ vaccine in the UK. Out of 18 million doses given. No reports yet of clots associated with the Pfizer.
Statistics are statistics. They don't care about your feelings - and you shouldn't care about your feelings when looking at them, either. The term 'not statistically significant' indicates precisely that there is nothing worry about, as the number of incidences is exactly the same as it would be if there were no vaccine.
Says the man who kept lolling his very well constructed posts that explained exactly what statistical significance meant. What did you think was going to happen? Would he keep banging his head against a wall trying to explain reality to someone with seemingly no interest in learning or would he finally give up and post a graphic representation of how your childish lolling made him feel?
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Anything like this must be investigated and see if any causal link can be teased out the data. It appears more in young or middle aged women according to the report above. Worth seeing if they have anything else in common (contraceptive perhaps?). Different drugs can can different effects on different patient groups, maybe suggest a different vaccine for those groups, if a causal effect is shown. At the moment it just seems like statistical noise.6
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56566892Not seen this mentioned elsewhere so thought I would share as may be relevant to some people on here.1
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Nadou said:Yes, I did read The Lancet report and was struck by "We are, however, aware that although a substantial fraction of the thromboembolisms seem to be venous, reports are emerging of rare types of multiple thrombosis, bleeding, and thrombocytopenia, apparently similar to disseminated intravascular coagulation, occurring in otherwise healthy individuals shortly after receiving the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.1
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2nd Pfizer jab completed at Dartford football club, great service in and complete in 20 mins including 15 minute wait, you really got to admire the organisation.11
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Nadou said:Nadou said:Yes, I did read The Lancet report and was struck by "We are, however, aware that although a substantial fraction of the thromboembolisms seem to be venous, reports are emerging of rare types of multiple thrombosis, bleeding, and thrombocytopenia, apparently similar to disseminated intravascular coagulation, occurring in otherwise healthy individuals shortly after receiving the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.0
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cafcforever said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56566892Not seen this mentioned elsewhere so thought I would share as may be relevant to some people on here.
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More than 5m people have had second dose
More than five million people have received both doses of a Covid-19 vaccine in the UK, the latest figures show.
There were 107,402 first doses given on Good Friday, taking the total number of people who have received one jab to 31,425,682.
Nearly 250,000 second jabs were given, taking the number of people who have received both vaccinations to 5,205,505.
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ShootersHillGuru said:Nadou said:Nadou said:Yes, I did read The Lancet report and was struck by "We are, however, aware that although a substantial fraction of the thromboembolisms seem to be venous, reports are emerging of rare types of multiple thrombosis, bleeding, and thrombocytopenia, apparently similar to disseminated intravascular coagulation, occurring in otherwise healthy individuals shortly after receiving the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.2
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I'd give up if I were you SHG, there's only so many ways and times that you can explain.4
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Covered End said:I'd give up if I were you SHG, there's only so many ways and times that you can explain.8
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Covered End said:I'd give up if I were you SHG, there's only so many ways and times that you can explain.1
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Wife and myself had the Oxford AZ first dose in Eltham this afternoon. All very well organised. Feeling OK so far.
Just a small prick according to the wife.
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Penfolds Perm said:Wife and myself had the Oxford AZ first dose in Eltham this afternoon. All very well organised. Feeling OK so far.
Just a small prick according to the wife.5 -
Nadou said:Covered End said:I'd give up if I were you SHG, there's only so many ways and times that you can explain.2
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I'm basically waiting for the vaccine so I can make the 'little prick' joke. I'm gutted seeing 20 other people on here make it so far and not to have had the chance yet myself....9
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Leroy Ambrose said:I'm basically waiting for the vaccine so I can make the 'little prick' joke. I'm gutted seeing 20 other people on here make it so far and not to have had the chance yet myself....
You could say you had a big prick.9 -
Hartleypete said:Leroy Ambrose said:Hartleypete said:ShootersHillGuru said:Hartleypete said:Leroy Ambrose said:Hartleypete said:ShootersHillGuru said:Nadou said:ShootersHillGuru said:Nadou said:30 blood clot cases attributed to AZ vaccine in the UK. Out of 18 million doses given. No reports yet of clots associated with the Pfizer.
Statistics are statistics. They don't care about your feelings - and you shouldn't care about your feelings when looking at them, either. The term 'not statistically significant' indicates precisely that there is nothing worry about, as the number of incidences is exactly the same as it would be if there were no vaccine.
To keep if I can
A piece of the heart
Of the boy in the man.0 -
Johnnysummers5 said:Leroy Ambrose said:I'm basically waiting for the vaccine so I can make the 'little prick' joke. I'm gutted seeing 20 other people on here make it so far and not to have had the chance yet myself....
You could say you had a big prick.4 -
Leroy Ambrose said:I'm basically waiting for the vaccine so I can make the 'little prick' joke. I'm gutted seeing 20 other people on here make it so far and not to have had the chance yet myself....0
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Covered End said:Nadou said:Covered End said:I'd give up if I were you SHG, there's only so many ways and times that you can explain.2
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Nadou said:Covered End said:Nadou said:Covered End said:I'd give up if I were you SHG, there's only so many ways and times that you can explain.
You have been asking the same question/similar question repeatedly for the last couple of days.
You have had the answers that all vaccines may have side effects and it is possible that there is a side effect of blood clots.
However, the people responding to your repeated questions have offered their opinion, that the odd blood clot case is preferable to thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of people getting Covid.
So statistically the blood clot cases are not significant.
You appear to accept this and then repeat the question again.
So no I'm terribly sorry but I don't see how I can explain what you have not understood, because I can't understand what you haven't understood and why you continue to ask the same people the same questions for days on end.
I now expect you to ask the same question again.8