Vaccine

seth plum

It seems to me that @Nadou brings up points when fresh news about the vaccine(s) emerges on a daily basis. Not the same things, but stuff related to the developing and ever changing news releases about the vaccines.
One earlier example about news related to the vaccine(s) was the original information that said a second dose should happen within four weeks of the first, that was added to by later stories saying for Astra Zenica it is OK to have the second dose as late as twelve weeks after the first, then more news emerged saying that actually the longer time between injections the better.
As the information changes, the type of enquiry from posters on here changes slightly along with it, I can't for the life of me understand what's wrong with that, or why a poster should be put down for it.

Covered End

seth plum said:

It seems to me that @Nadou brings up points when fresh news about the vaccine(s) emerges on a daily basis. Not the same things, but stuff related to the developing and ever changing news releases about the vaccines.
One earlier example about news related to the vaccine(s) was the original information that said a second dose should happen within four weeks of the first, that was added to by later stories saying for Astra Zenica it is OK to have the second dose as late as twelve weeks after the first, then more news emerged saying that actually the longer time between injections the better.
As the information changes, the type of enquiry from posters on here changes slightly along with it, I can't for the life of me understand what's wrong with that, or why a poster should be put down for it.

This may well be true, but has no relevance to this discussion.
If you read the thread Nadou has been asking about blood clots for the last couple of days.
It's nothing to do with waiting times between 1st and 2nd doses.

Solidgone

Covered End said:

Nadou said:

Covered End said:

Nadou said:

Covered End said:

I'd give up if I were you SHG, there's only so many ways and times that you can explain.

Can you explain what I have not understood?

No.

I see. So it was just an arrogant, condescending barb rather than a real point. 

How do you expect me to explain what you have not understood?

You have been asking the same question/similar question repeatedly for the last couple of days.

You have had the answers that all vaccines may have side effects and it is possible that there is a side effect of blood clots.
However, the people responding to your repeated questions have offered their opinion, that the odd blood clot case is preferable to thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of people getting Covid.
So statistically the blood clot cases are not significant.
You appear to accept this and then repeat the question again.

So no I'm terribly sorry but I don't see how I can explain what you have not understood, because I can't understand what you haven't understood and why you continue to ask the same people the same questions for days on end.

I now expect you to ask the same question again.

I’m led to believe that even if you have been jabbed you can still get the Covid virus but the vaccine reduces the chances quite considerably of it killing you or requiring hospitalisation. 

seth plum

Covered End said:

seth plum said:

It seems to me that @Nadou brings up points when fresh news about the vaccine(s) emerges on a daily basis. Not the same things, but stuff related to the developing and ever changing news releases about the vaccines.
One earlier example about news related to the vaccine(s) was the original information that said a second dose should happen within four weeks of the first, that was added to by later stories saying for Astra Zenica it is OK to have the second dose as late as twelve weeks after the first, then more news emerged saying that actually the longer time between injections the better.
As the information changes, the type of enquiry from posters on here changes slightly along with it, I can't for the life of me understand what's wrong with that, or why a poster should be put down for it.

This may well be true, but has no relevance to this discussion.
If you read the thread Nadou has been asking about blood clots for the last couple of days.
It's nothing to do with waiting times between 1st and 2nd doses.

I know it has been about blood clots, but the blood clot story has ebbed and flowed and changed in the news over the last few days. My point is there is legitimacy in a post that is in tune with the developing story, as the vaccine story has developed in the past. I don't see any justification in putting a poster down for being interested in the latest developments.

Covered End

Solidgone said:

Covered End said:

Nadou said:

Covered End said:

Nadou said:

Covered End said:

I'd give up if I were you SHG, there's only so many ways and times that you can explain.

Can you explain what I have not understood?

No.

I see. So it was just an arrogant, condescending barb rather than a real point. 

How do you expect me to explain what you have not understood?

You have been asking the same question/similar question repeatedly for the last couple of days.

You have had the answers that all vaccines may have side effects and it is possible that there is a side effect of blood clots.
However, the people responding to your repeated questions have offered their opinion, that the odd blood clot case is preferable to thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of people getting Covid.
So statistically the blood clot cases are not significant.
You appear to accept this and then repeat the question again.

So no I'm terribly sorry but I don't see how I can explain what you have not understood, because I can't understand what you haven't understood and why you continue to ask the same people the same questions for days on end.

I now expect you to ask the same question again.

I’m led to believe that even if you have been jabbed you can still get the Covid virus but the vaccine reduces the chances quite considerably of it killing you or requiring hospitalisation. 

Correct.

ShootersHillGuru

seth plum said:

Covered End said:

seth plum said:

It seems to me that @Nadou brings up points when fresh news about the vaccine(s) emerges on a daily basis. Not the same things, but stuff related to the developing and ever changing news releases about the vaccines.
One earlier example about news related to the vaccine(s) was the original information that said a second dose should happen within four weeks of the first, that was added to by later stories saying for Astra Zenica it is OK to have the second dose as late as twelve weeks after the first, then more news emerged saying that actually the longer time between injections the better.
As the information changes, the type of enquiry from posters on here changes slightly along with it, I can't for the life of me understand what's wrong with that, or why a poster should be put down for it.

This may well be true, but has no relevance to this discussion.
If you read the thread Nadou has been asking about blood clots for the last couple of days.
It's nothing to do with waiting times between 1st and 2nd doses.

I know it has been about blood clots, but the blood clot story has ebbed and flowed and changed in the news over the last few days. My point is there is legitimacy in a post that is in tune with the developing story, as the vaccine story has developed in the past. I don't see any justification in putting a poster down for being interested in the latest developments.

There are no “developing stories” regarding the blood clot story. There is some correlation between an increase in a rare cranial thrombosis but at this point there is nothing more than some numbers that data cannot either confirm or not the cause was the AZ vaccine. In the absence of enough data and taking into consideration the absolutely tiny numbers involved compared to the millions of AZ vaccinations given it’s only correct that the vaccination programme should continue and where possible increase. No new data has emerged over recent days. 

seth plum

I am not referring only to data, but to the developing stories and interest in the blood clot topic.
This story is from 31st March:

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-review-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-continues

This story is from yesterday:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/covid-coronavirus-astrazeneca-blood-clots-b927606.html

This story is from today:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56620646

From memory there have been other stories from different European countries in recent days too.

Personally I believe any risks are far outweighed by the benefits of the vaccine(s), but the blood clot story, notwithstanding specific data, is still a live and current one, and a poster alluding to the issue seems to be perfectly reasonable.

ShootersHillGuru

seth plum said:

I am not referring only to data, but to the developing stories and interest in the blood clot topic.
This story is from 31st March:

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-review-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-continues

This story is from yesterday:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/covid-coronavirus-astrazeneca-blood-clots-b927606.html

This story is from today:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56620646

From memory there have been other stories from different European countries in recent days too.

Personally I believe any risks are far outweighed by the benefits of the vaccine(s), but the blood clot story, notwithstanding specific data, is still a live and current one, and a poster alluding to the issue seems to be perfectly reasonable.

Seth. It’s the same story being regurgitated. There is no new data. No new research published. It’s what news outlets do.

cafcnick1992

Preliminary data out of the US also showing that the vaccine dramatically reduces the chances of transmitting COVID.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/04/cdc-data-suggests-vaccinated-dont-carry-cant-spread-virus.html

Not a huge shock really given the collapse of cases in the UK, the US and Israel.

Redrobo

cafcnick1992 said:

Preliminary data out of the US also showing that the vaccine dramatically reduces the chances of transmitting COVID.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/04/cdc-data-suggests-vaccinated-dont-carry-cant-spread-virus.html

Not a huge shock really given the collapse of cases in the UK, the US and Israel.

Interesting. If I have it right, you can still get it, but not pass it on as you will not be ill?

McBobbin

Redrobo said:

cafcnick1992 said:

Preliminary data out of the US also showing that the vaccine dramatically reduces the chances of transmitting COVID.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/04/cdc-data-suggests-vaccinated-dont-carry-cant-spread-virus.html

Not a huge shock really given the collapse of cases in the UK, the US and Israel.

Interesting. If I have it right, you can still get it, but not pass it on as you will not be ill?

I think the data shows you can still get the virus, still get ill, still die and still pass it on... But the virus significantly and dramatically reduces the probability of any of those things happening. No vaccine is 100% effective, and rather depends on lots.of factors such as when the vaccine was taken and an individual's immune responsd

ShootersHillGuru

Redrobo said:

cafcnick1992 said:

Preliminary data out of the US also showing that the vaccine dramatically reduces the chances of transmitting COVID.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/04/cdc-data-suggests-vaccinated-dont-carry-cant-spread-virus.html

Not a huge shock really given the collapse of cases in the UK, the US and Israel.

Interesting. If I have it right, you can still get it, but not pass it on as you will not be ill?

Nothing can stop you catching a virus. It’s from that moment of infection, just how your immune system deals with the antigen. That will range from A to Z depending on the host. For clarity. Even pre vaccine some individuals would become infected and not show symptoms but still be perfectly able to spread the disease. 

TelMc32

Had my first jab of AZ on Wednesday afternoon. Got about two hours sleep that night, woke up with a huge headache and aching everywhere. Spent Thursday wrapped up but feeling freezing. Fine on Friday. Spoke to a couple of friends who had similar experience, but all good now.  

Have to wait til 3rd week in June for part 2, but it all seems to be going really well so far with the rollout.  The staff and St John’s volunteers at the QE were superb. 

guinnessaddick

https://twitter.com/jw_hcafc/status/1378447851815059461?s=21

Covered End

And it's all gone AZ over there
It's all gone AZ over there

SomervilleAddick

ShootersHillGuru said:

Redrobo said:

cafcnick1992 said:

Preliminary data out of the US also showing that the vaccine dramatically reduces the chances of transmitting COVID.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/04/cdc-data-suggests-vaccinated-dont-carry-cant-spread-virus.html

Not a huge shock really given the collapse of cases in the UK, the US and Israel.

Interesting. If I have it right, you can still get it, but not pass it on as you will not be ill?

Nothing can stop you catching a virus. It’s from that moment of infection, just how your immune system deals with the antigen. That will range from A to Z depending on the host. For clarity. Even pre vaccine some individuals would become infected and not show symptoms but still be perfectly able to spread the disease. 

To reinforce that last point, my partner has to have physiotherapy every week. A few months back, her physio got infected. He contacted her to cancel her appointment and recommended she get tested. We both did a test, and were both positive. Neither of us showed any symptoms at any time from infection until the end of our quarantine. 

stonemuse

https://twitter.com/privateeyenews/status/1378030018257952769?s=21

Chaz Hill

Channel 4 News reporting that UK Regulator is looking again at whether Oxford AZ should be given to under 30 year olds (particularly females). Announcement explected in next few days.

Bit concerning.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-astrazenec-idUSKBN2BS1QE

Callumcafc

Getting my first shot in a couple of hours - Moderna.

cantersaddick

Chaz Hill said:

Channel 4 News reporting that UK Regulator is looking again at whether Oxford AZ should be given to under 30 year olds (particularly females). Announcement explected in next few days.

Bit concerning.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-astrazenec-idUSKBN2BS1QE

They're looking into it as they should look into all reported side effects. 

I'd be concerned if they weren't looking into it.

No bad can come of this. If there is even the slightest risk then it won't be given to that group and they will get a different one. If there isn't a risk then all good. 

To make it clear the only reason there is doubt about the under 30s is because so few have been given the vaccine outside testing. There is no doubt/concern for the over 30s because we have a massive sample.

Arsenetatters

cantersaddick said:

Chaz Hill said:

Channel 4 News reporting that UK Regulator is looking again at whether Oxford AZ should be given to under 30 year olds (particularly females). Announcement explected in next few days.

Bit concerning.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-astrazenec-idUSKBN2BS1QE

They're looking into it as they should look into all reported side effects. 

I'd be concerned if they weren't looking into it.

No bad can come of this. If there is even the slightest risk then it won't be given to that group and they will get a different one. If there isn't a risk then all good. 

To make it clear the only reason there is doubt about the under 30s is because so few have been given the vaccine outside testing. There is no doubt/concern for the over 30s because we have a massive sample.

I’m guessing the same goes for other vaccines? Far too much spotlight on AZ compared with the other vaccines IMHO. Seems as though it’s going to be scrutinised in public whilst the others are left to carry on despite the same questions being applicable. I’m glad I’ve had it and happy to have the second jab.

MarcusH26

Little concerned as an under 30 that's due their second dose at the end of the month , but on the other hand it's reassuring that it's being looked at.

If they do make the decision that there's enough of a concern , where would that leave me as someone in the CEV category?

Chaz Hill

cantersaddick said:

Chaz Hill said:

Channel 4 News reporting that UK Regulator is looking again at whether Oxford AZ should be given to under 30 year olds (particularly females). Announcement explected in next few days.

Bit concerning.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-astrazenec-idUSKBN2BS1QE

They're looking into it as they should look into all reported side effects. 

I'd be concerned if they weren't looking into it.

No bad can come of this. If there is even the slightest risk then it won't be given to that group and they will get a different one. If there isn't a risk then all good. 

To make it clear the only reason there is doubt about the under 30s is because so few have been given the vaccine outside testing. There is no doubt/concern for the over 30s because we have a massive sample.

I'm sure you are right and with plenty of alternatives becoming available it shouldn't be a problem to switch to something else for this age group. The single shot one (can't remember the name) might be better anyway to speed up the vacinaction process as a whole.

clive

The Moderna vaccine will be in deployment in the UK "around the third week of April", vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi has confirmed.

Zahawi also told BBC Breakfast there would be "more volume" of the jab in May.

"And of course more volume of Pfizer and Oxford-AstraZeneca and we have got other vaccines.

"We have got the Janssen [Johnson and Johnson] vaccine coming through as well.

"So I am confident that we will be able to meet our target of mid-April, offering the vaccine to all over-50s, and then end of July offering the vaccine to all adults."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-56646554

Vienna_Addick

Callumcafc said:

Getting my first shot in a couple of hours - Moderna.

We had our first Moderna jabs just over 3 weeks ago. Second one this coming Saturday. About 10 days after the first jab the area around where the needle went in started to itch, and we both had a rash about 4 inches in diameter on our arms. No pain or anything, and the rash disappeared after about seven days.

Chaz Hill

Chaz Hill said:

cantersaddick said:

Chaz Hill said:

Channel 4 News reporting that UK Regulator is looking again at whether Oxford AZ should be given to under 30 year olds (particularly females). Announcement explected in next few days.

Bit concerning.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-astrazenec-idUSKBN2BS1QE

They're looking into it as they should look into all reported side effects. 

I'd be concerned if they weren't looking into it.

No bad can come of this. If there is even the slightest risk then it won't be given to that group and they will get a different one. If there isn't a risk then all good. 

To make it clear the only reason there is doubt about the under 30s is because so few have been given the vaccine outside testing. There is no doubt/concern for the over 30s because we have a massive sample.

I'm sure you are right and with plenty of alternatives becoming available it shouldn't be a problem to switch to something else for this age group. The single shot one (can't remember the name) might be better anyway to speed up the vacinaction process as a whole.

Opps, seems perhaps plenty of alternatives might not be available in the short term. Hopefully Sage are being overly cautious.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/06/england-covid-vaccine-programme-could-slow-sharply-sage-warns?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

clive

Three in five UK adults have received a first dose of a coronavirus jab, the health secretary says.

Some 31,622,367 have received a first vaccine, with 5,496,716 people now fully vaccinated thanks to a second dose - 10.4% of the adult population.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-56646554

Athletico Charlton

Just had my first jab unexpectedly (ie was given 30 mins notice) Astra Zenica, happy to be vaccinated.  Feel fine so far 3 hours in.

Callumcafc

Vienna_Addick said:

Callumcafc said:

Getting my first shot in a couple of hours - Moderna.

We had our first Moderna jabs just over 3 weeks ago. Second one this coming Saturday. About 10 days after the first jab the area around where the needle went in started to itch, and we both had a rash about 4 inches in diameter on our arms. No pain or anything, and the rash disappeared after about seven days.

Thanks for the notice. Will keep your experience in mind since me and the other half both got the Moderna shot a few days apart.

No side effects for either us yet other than the usual that comes with any vaccination.

Bangkokaddick

The Mrs is booked for her first jab tomorrow: Sinovac, one of the Chinese ones with the lowest efficacy rate of all of them. They want to open Phuket to tourists in July so people here are getting vaccinated before most of the rest of the country, regardless of age and occupation. Nothing for expats though but that's fine as I'd prefer to wait for AZ.