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I know 2.Karim_myBagheri said:how many can say they or someone they know has been struck by lightning?0 -
Vaccine available March 2020.SELR_addicks said:
"With a UK population of around 58.2 million the risk of being struck by lightning (indoors and outdoors combined) is one person in 1.2 million and the risk of being struck and killed by lightning is one person in 19 million"stonemuse said:Private Eye this week. The part that stands out for me is that if we had the vaccine at the start of the pandemic, at least 100,000 lives would have been prevented in the U.K., and there would have been 5 deaths from blood clots.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223811436_Deaths_and_injuries_caused_by_lightning_in_the_United_Kingdom_Analyses_of_two_databases
People trying to downplay the clotting risk is dangerous. It needs to be scrutinised properly rather than just hand-waved away.Hypothetically:Don’t take the vaccine, 127,000 covid deaths, no blood clot deaths
Take the vaccine, 27,000 covid deaths, 5 blood clot deaths.What do you choose?4 -
Surely the people that passed it as safe, initially, are the ones to sue and A Z have no control on who is given it.SELR_addicks said:1 -
2nd OxAZ this morning. So far so good.8
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I know at least 5 people who have had the AZ jab. no problems so far.SomervilleAddick said:
I know 2.Karim_myBagheri said:how many can say they or someone they know has been struck by lightning?2 -
I do. In fact he’s been struck twice. Both times playing golf.Karim_myBagheri said:how many can say they or someone they know has been struck by lightning?0 -
Pfizer?stonemuse said:
Vaccine available March 2020.SELR_addicks said:
"With a UK population of around 58.2 million the risk of being struck by lightning (indoors and outdoors combined) is one person in 1.2 million and the risk of being struck and killed by lightning is one person in 19 million"stonemuse said:Private Eye this week. The part that stands out for me is that if we had the vaccine at the start of the pandemic, at least 100,000 lives would have been prevented in the U.K., and there would have been 5 deaths from blood clots.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223811436_Deaths_and_injuries_caused_by_lightning_in_the_United_Kingdom_Analyses_of_two_databases
People trying to downplay the clotting risk is dangerous. It needs to be scrutinised properly rather than just hand-waved away.Hypothetically:Don’t take the vaccine, 127,000 covid deaths, no blood clot deaths
Take the vaccine, 27,000 covid deaths, 5 blood clot deaths.What do you choose?
This isn't an either/or.
This is a 'maybe an alternative might be safer?'0 -
There are no data that prove the vaccine provides immunity from, or prevents the transmission of the virus.
It will temper the aggresiveness of the symptoms if contracted, nothing more.3 -
Pfizer has been linked to blood clots too.SELR_addicks said:
Pfizer?stonemuse said:
Vaccine available March 2020.SELR_addicks said:
"With a UK population of around 58.2 million the risk of being struck by lightning (indoors and outdoors combined) is one person in 1.2 million and the risk of being struck and killed by lightning is one person in 19 million"stonemuse said:Private Eye this week. The part that stands out for me is that if we had the vaccine at the start of the pandemic, at least 100,000 lives would have been prevented in the U.K., and there would have been 5 deaths from blood clots.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223811436_Deaths_and_injuries_caused_by_lightning_in_the_United_Kingdom_Analyses_of_two_databases
People trying to downplay the clotting risk is dangerous. It needs to be scrutinised properly rather than just hand-waved away.Hypothetically:Don’t take the vaccine, 127,000 covid deaths, no blood clot deaths
Take the vaccine, 27,000 covid deaths, 5 blood clot deaths.What do you choose?
This isn't an either/or.
This is a 'maybe an alternative might be safer?'Bottom line, tens of thousands of deaths could have been prevented if the vaccine had been available ... which now applies to future deaths which WILL be prevented.3 -
AZ is safer than having no vaccine of course.stonemuse said:
Pfizer has been linked to blood clots too.SELR_addicks said:
Pfizer?stonemuse said:
Vaccine available March 2020.SELR_addicks said:
"With a UK population of around 58.2 million the risk of being struck by lightning (indoors and outdoors combined) is one person in 1.2 million and the risk of being struck and killed by lightning is one person in 19 million"stonemuse said:Private Eye this week. The part that stands out for me is that if we had the vaccine at the start of the pandemic, at least 100,000 lives would have been prevented in the U.K., and there would have been 5 deaths from blood clots.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223811436_Deaths_and_injuries_caused_by_lightning_in_the_United_Kingdom_Analyses_of_two_databases
People trying to downplay the clotting risk is dangerous. It needs to be scrutinised properly rather than just hand-waved away.Hypothetically:Don’t take the vaccine, 127,000 covid deaths, no blood clot deaths
Take the vaccine, 27,000 covid deaths, 5 blood clot deaths.What do you choose?
This isn't an either/or.
This is a 'maybe an alternative might be safer?'Bottom line, tens of thousands of deaths could have been prevented if the vaccine had been available ... which now applies to future deaths which WILL be prevented.
We have at least 8 vaccines available. Isn't it in science's best interest to figure out which one is safer and then increase production of that type of vaccine?
Especially with word that booster jabs will be needed in the future.
Just going ahead with all of them, then discovering that under 30s may have been safer not even having the vaccine is a bit too late.1 - Sponsored links:
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I live in Finland so this is a bit different for me.
But I have a blood clotting issue and have had 5 blood clots in the past 5 years.
(I am now on Eliquis for life)
They ruled out the oxAZ Jab because of this underlying health issue and because I am 30 years old (Apparently a small minority Under 30's have had blood clot reactions to this vaccine)
I had the first Pfizer jab last week and I have been lucky enough to feel absolutely fine. I had a sore arm for a few days but that was it.
I have heard the second jab isn't as nice but will still take it, I am due that at the end of June.
It is remarkable to see the turn around in England and by how much the infection rates and death's have dropped!8 -
stonemuse said:
Pfizer has been linked to blood clots too.SELR_addicks said:
Pfizer?stonemuse said:
Vaccine available March 2020.SELR_addicks said:
"With a UK population of around 58.2 million the risk of being struck by lightning (indoors and outdoors combined) is one person in 1.2 million and the risk of being struck and killed by lightning is one person in 19 million"stonemuse said:Private Eye this week. The part that stands out for me is that if we had the vaccine at the start of the pandemic, at least 100,000 lives would have been prevented in the U.K., and there would have been 5 deaths from blood clots.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223811436_Deaths_and_injuries_caused_by_lightning_in_the_United_Kingdom_Analyses_of_two_databases
People trying to downplay the clotting risk is dangerous. It needs to be scrutinised properly rather than just hand-waved away.Hypothetically:Don’t take the vaccine, 127,000 covid deaths, no blood clot deaths
Take the vaccine, 27,000 covid deaths, 5 blood clot deaths.What do you choose?
This isn't an either/or.
This is a 'maybe an alternative might be safer?'Bottom line, tens of thousands of deaths could have been prevented if the vaccine had been available ... which now applies to future deaths which WILL be prevented.And this doesn't even scratch the surface of the number of times they've been sued for negligence and fraud.
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ShootersHillGuru said:
I do. In fact he’s been struck twice. Both times playing golf.Karim_myBagheri said:how many can say they or someone they know has been struck by lightning?
Was he a bit below par afterwards?9 -
Just like every single other drug company. Suing drug companies is almost as lucrative a business as developing drugs themselves.Redskin said:
And this doesn't even scratch the surface of the number of times they've been sued for negligence and fraud.stonemuse said:
Pfizer has been linked to blood clots too.SELR_addicks said:
Pfizer?stonemuse said:
Vaccine available March 2020.SELR_addicks said:
"With a UK population of around 58.2 million the risk of being struck by lightning (indoors and outdoors combined) is one person in 1.2 million and the risk of being struck and killed by lightning is one person in 19 million"stonemuse said:Private Eye this week. The part that stands out for me is that if we had the vaccine at the start of the pandemic, at least 100,000 lives would have been prevented in the U.K., and there would have been 5 deaths from blood clots.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223811436_Deaths_and_injuries_caused_by_lightning_in_the_United_Kingdom_Analyses_of_two_databases
People trying to downplay the clotting risk is dangerous. It needs to be scrutinised properly rather than just hand-waved away.Hypothetically:Don’t take the vaccine, 127,000 covid deaths, no blood clot deaths
Take the vaccine, 27,000 covid deaths, 5 blood clot deaths.What do you choose?
This isn't an either/or.
This is a 'maybe an alternative might be safer?'Bottom line, tens of thousands of deaths could have been prevented if the vaccine had been available ... which now applies to future deaths which WILL be prevented.3 -
But they're only made to pay out $2.3b if they're guilty. And as I said, this particular case is just one of many where they have been found guilty of fraud, negligence and gross mendacity.Leroy Ambrose said:
Just like every single other drug company. Suing drug companies is almost as lucrative a business as developing drugs themselves.Redskin said:
And this doesn't even scratch the surface of the number of times they've been sued for negligence and fraud.stonemuse said:
Pfizer has been linked to blood clots too.SELR_addicks said:
Pfizer?stonemuse said:
Vaccine available March 2020.SELR_addicks said:
"With a UK population of around 58.2 million the risk of being struck by lightning (indoors and outdoors combined) is one person in 1.2 million and the risk of being struck and killed by lightning is one person in 19 million"stonemuse said:Private Eye this week. The part that stands out for me is that if we had the vaccine at the start of the pandemic, at least 100,000 lives would have been prevented in the U.K., and there would have been 5 deaths from blood clots.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223811436_Deaths_and_injuries_caused_by_lightning_in_the_United_Kingdom_Analyses_of_two_databases
People trying to downplay the clotting risk is dangerous. It needs to be scrutinised properly rather than just hand-waved away.Hypothetically:Don’t take the vaccine, 127,000 covid deaths, no blood clot deaths
Take the vaccine, 27,000 covid deaths, 5 blood clot deaths.What do you choose?
This isn't an either/or.
This is a 'maybe an alternative might be safer?'Bottom line, tens of thousands of deaths could have been prevented if the vaccine had been available ... which now applies to future deaths which WILL be prevented.0 -
Pavoren007 said:Still suffering with long Covid and was given AZ last night. After 7 hours every Covid symptom erupted together. Fever returned and I have loss of smell for the first time. Feel dreadful but am interested whether the vaccine might be having a tussle with all of the sites with Covid remnants in my body? Time will tell and I was forewarned I may be in for a rough 48 hours. Hope it is max 48 hours and the vaccine helps.My guess would've been that it triggered your pre-existing immune response from your recent Covid infection, and that's why the fever etc are back, as they're the body's way of fighting infection (got no clue about the loss of smell thing though
). As another long hauler it's one reason why I was a bit worried about having the vaccine in case my immune system went haywire in a similar way, but that seems not to be the case, possibly because I was infected a lot longer ago. All I've had is a sore arm and a flare up of the fatigue, although the latter may just be down to having to be a bit more social than normal due to Easter and family birthdays.Hope you're feeling better soon, and you're one of the lucky ones that seem to find the vaccine makes their symptoms improve.7 -
Had second jab on Friday, one day of sickness on Saturday, now ok!
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oohaahmortimer said:Mother in law is one of the volunteers at the vaccination centre in Epping and there were 14 Pfizer ones left from no shows yesterday evening so everyone’s encouraged to ask who they know if they want a vaccine this has been going on for a few weeks when she’s been there , so my wife eventually went and had one last night she’s only 38 so not due yet , no after effects so far
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Good on Mrs Oohaah.
It's worrying how many people do not make these appointments. What a waste it can be.2 -
2nd AZ jab booked for Thursday this week, 8 weeks after the first one. I had no problems after the first other than being freezing cold for one afternoon, 3 days after it.3
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I heard from several sources that the second Pfizer jab would have more side effects than the first. Had the second jab on Friday and had none. Out in the sun yesterday and walked 10km.mattinfinland said:I live in Finland so this is a bit different for me.
But I have a blood clotting issue and have had 5 blood clots in the past 5 years.
(I am now on Eliquis for life)
They ruled out the oxAZ Jab because of this underlying health issue and because I am 30 years old (Apparently a small minority Under 30's have had blood clot reactions to this vaccine)
I had the first Pfizer jab last week and I have been lucky enough to feel absolutely fine. I had a sore arm for a few days but that was it.
I have heard the second jab isn't as nice but will still take it, I am due that at the end of June.
It is remarkable to see the turn around in England and by how much the infection rates and death's have dropped!
Active cases in the Borough of Greenwich down into double figures.2 - Sponsored links:
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Interestingly I had similar symptoms exactly a week after my first jabguinnessaddick said:2nd AZ jab booked for Thursday this week, 8 weeks after the first one. I had no problems after the first other than being freezing cold for one afternoon, 3 days after it.0 -
Jabbed up. Currently sat in the waiting room (I'm allergic to pears, anyone who has had an anaphylacitc reaction in the past has to wait ten minutes afterwards, standard for all jabs I've had in the past). Proper well organised - dead impressed. Fully expect to be sick as a dog the next two days cos I've got the immune system of a champion racehorse 😂😂😂7
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An acquaintance's son is doing research at one of our top universities into the effects of the vaccines. People who've had the two jabs with a four week gap, as originally planned, now have only 30% antibodies compared to what they had after the vaccines had kicked in to full effect. If the twelve week gap jabs replicate this, there will be a big surge in cases around September. So, book your holidays for August.
To give you an idea of how good the group is he's working in at his uni, they predicted pretty much everything that happened from last June onwards once the Government laid out the restrictions or lack of them.0 -
Could you please provide a link to the data or if not at least which university this research is being conducted so I can have a look see. This is the most significant comment I have seen for weeks so would really like to dig into this. Seems to go against the published data so far ?AddicksAddict said:An acquaintance's son is doing research at one of our top universities into the effects of the vaccines. People who've had the two jabs with a four week gap, as originally planned, now have only 30% antibodies compared to what they had after the vaccines had kicked in to full effect. If the twelve week gap jabs replicate this, there will be a big surge in cases around September. So, book your holidays for August.
To give you an idea of how good the group is he's working in at his uni, they predicted pretty much everything that happened from last June onwards once the Government laid out the restrictions or lack of them.1 -
My understanding is that antibodies as a result of the vaccine have been shown to last (or be detectable) for around 5 months. The fact that they are not detectable doesn't mean that protection disappears, and I'm not aware of mass testing of T cells.AddicksAddict said:An acquaintance's son is doing research at one of our top universities into the effects of the vaccines. People who've had the two jabs with a four week gap, as originally planned, now have only 30% antibodies compared to what they had after the vaccines had kicked in to full effect. If the twelve week gap jabs replicate this, there will be a big surge in cases around September. So, book your holidays for August.
To give you an idea of how good the group is he's working in at his uni, they predicted pretty much everything that happened from last June onwards once the Government laid out the restrictions or lack of them.
Is the 30% you state the level of antibodies remaining, or the number of people who still have detectable antibodies?
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Antibodies isn't the only form of immunity you get from a vaccine though. It's just the easiest to test for. They always become less visible over time. Does not mean that the protection is not there wither through antibodies, T cells or other forms.AddicksAddict said:An acquaintance's son is doing research at one of our top universities into the effects of the vaccines. People who've had the two jabs with a four week gap, as originally planned, now have only 30% antibodies compared to what they had after the vaccines had kicked in to full effect. If the twelve week gap jabs replicate this, there will be a big surge in cases around September. So, book your holidays for August.
To give you an idea of how good the group is he's working in at his uni, they predicted pretty much everything that happened from last June onwards once the Government laid out the restrictions or lack of them.4 -
A top up vaccination is planned for the Autumn.1
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YEs but that is to provide additional protection potentially against new variants, it does not mean the protection from the initial vaccine has worn offCrusty54 said:A top up vaccination is planned for the Autumn.
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The current timeline is for all adults to be offered a vaccine by the end of June? So I'm guessing second doses by the autumn?
Therefore the autumn top up will commence for those who received their original dose back in January, and those who received their second dose last by, say March?0 -
I’m guessing that secondary “top up” vaccines will be targeted at over 65’s and vulnerable rather than across the board for everyone.Ross said:The current timeline is for all adults to be offered a vaccine by the end of June? So I'm guessing second doses by the autumn?
Therefore the autumn top up will commence for those who received their original dose back in January, and those who received their second dose last by, say March?2
