I presume your friend has spoken to GP as some of my family got it earlier (under 40s) due to chronic Asthma.
Thanks - I'll get her onto it. She was meant to have one a while back but her doc said that although she'd been to hospital last year with an asthma attack she hadn't had to stay in overnight so didn't qualify!
Sorry to hear that about your friend. I am pretty certain the vast majority of over 40s will be done by mid-May to keep the timeline of end July, so not long to wait worst case.
2 observations ( not based on any inside knowledge). 1 There seems to be increasing evidence that the vaccines are incredibly succesful at stopping both infection and contagion. But the Government is loath to bang the drum as they think we will all go wild and party if we know that. I think that it would be better to bang the drum in order to convince everybody to get vaccinated asap. 2 They must have much more vaccine in stock than they have let on. April was supposed to be the slowdown month but half a million people have been vaccinated virtually every day. I expect this subterfuge was to distract the EU etc from trying to cut our supply.
It did slow down in the first half of April but is now ramping up.
Once everyone (end of July, maybe earlier) has been offered the vaccine then, and only then, they can introduce vaccine passports - that will be the best recruiting sergeant for almost full vaccine take-up.
End of October. Vaccine passports can only be based on both doses otherwise there is no incentive to get the 2nd dose and get full protection.
Well after yesterday’s 2nd dose I’ve not got any arm pain (didn’t for the first jab) but I did have a bit of a hot then cold night. I’m exaggerating the extent of the side effects to Mr Tatters and an enjoying the first lie in I’ve had since the first jab while he gets the chickens up.
2 observations ( not based on any inside knowledge). 1 There seems to be increasing evidence that the vaccines are incredibly succesful at stopping both infection and contagion. But the Government is loath to bang the drum as they think we will all go wild and party if we know that. I think that it would be better to bang the drum in order to convince everybody to get vaccinated asap. 2 They must have much more vaccine in stock than they have let on. April was supposed to be the slowdown month but half a million people have been vaccinated virtually every day. I expect this subterfuge was to distract the EU etc from trying to cut our supply.
It did slow down in the first half of April but is now ramping up.
Once everyone (end of July, maybe earlier) has been offered the vaccine then, and only then, they can introduce vaccine passports - that will be the best recruiting sergeant for almost full vaccine take-up.
End of October. Vaccine passports can only be based on both doses otherwise there is no incentive to get the 2nd dose and get full protection.
Surely that’s only true of vaccine sceptics. I or pretty much anyone I know doesn’t need an incentive of any kind in order two have both doses.
2 observations ( not based on any inside knowledge). 1 There seems to be increasing evidence that the vaccines are incredibly succesful at stopping both infection and contagion. But the Government is loath to bang the drum as they think we will all go wild and party if we know that. I think that it would be better to bang the drum in order to convince everybody to get vaccinated asap. 2 They must have much more vaccine in stock than they have let on. April was supposed to be the slowdown month but half a million people have been vaccinated virtually every day. I expect this subterfuge was to distract the EU etc from trying to cut our supply.
It did slow down in the first half of April but is now ramping up.
Once everyone (end of July, maybe earlier) has been offered the vaccine then, and only then, they can introduce vaccine passports - that will be the best recruiting sergeant for almost full vaccine take-up.
End of October. Vaccine passports can only be based on both doses otherwise there is no incentive to get the 2nd dose and get full protection.
Surely that’s only true of vaccine sceptics. I or pretty much anyone I know doesn’t need an incentive of any kind in order two have both doses.
Well after yesterday’s 2nd dose I’ve not got any arm pain (didn’t for the first jab) but I did have a bit of a hot then cold night. I’m exaggerating the extent of the side effects to Mr Tatters and an enjoying the first lie in I’ve had since the first jab while he gets the chickens up.
2 observations ( not based on any inside knowledge). 1 There seems to be increasing evidence that the vaccines are incredibly succesful at stopping both infection and contagion. But the Government is loath to bang the drum as they think we will all go wild and party if we know that. I think that it would be better to bang the drum in order to convince everybody to get vaccinated asap. 2 They must have much more vaccine in stock than they have let on. April was supposed to be the slowdown month but half a million people have been vaccinated virtually every day. I expect this subterfuge was to distract the EU etc from trying to cut our supply.
It did slow down in the first half of April but is now ramping up.
Once everyone (end of July, maybe earlier) has been offered the vaccine then, and only then, they can introduce vaccine passports - that will be the best recruiting sergeant for almost full vaccine take-up.
End of October. Vaccine passports can only be based on both doses otherwise there is no incentive to get the 2nd dose and get full protection.
Surely that’s only true of vaccine sceptics. I or pretty much anyone I know doesn’t need an incentive of any kind in order two have both doses.
2 observations ( not based on any inside knowledge). 1 There seems to be increasing evidence that the vaccines are incredibly succesful at stopping both infection and contagion. But the Government is loath to bang the drum as they think we will all go wild and party if we know that. I think that it would be better to bang the drum in order to convince everybody to get vaccinated asap. 2 They must have much more vaccine in stock than they have let on. April was supposed to be the slowdown month but half a million people have been vaccinated virtually every day. I expect this subterfuge was to distract the EU etc from trying to cut our supply.
It did slow down in the first half of April but is now ramping up.
Once everyone (end of July, maybe earlier) has been offered the vaccine then, and only then, they can introduce vaccine passports - that will be the best recruiting sergeant for almost full vaccine take-up.
End of October. Vaccine passports can only be based on both doses otherwise there is no incentive to get the 2nd dose and get full protection.
Surely that’s only true of vaccine sceptics. I or pretty much anyone I know doesn’t need an incentive of any kind in order two have both doses.
I disagree. If we have a pretty free summer with most things open, cases and deaths low, then I'm pretty sure inertia will set in. People won't see the need to go for the 2nd dose or will just be too lazy or busy enjoying the freedom. I suspect there will be issues persuading the under 40s in August- October.
Either way making vaccine passports based on just one dose sends completely the wrong message.
2 observations ( not based on any inside knowledge). 1 There seems to be increasing evidence that the vaccines are incredibly succesful at stopping both infection and contagion. But the Government is loath to bang the drum as they think we will all go wild and party if we know that. I think that it would be better to bang the drum in order to convince everybody to get vaccinated asap. 2 They must have much more vaccine in stock than they have let on. April was supposed to be the slowdown month but half a million people have been vaccinated virtually every day. I expect this subterfuge was to distract the EU etc from trying to cut our supply.
It did slow down in the first half of April but is now ramping up.
Once everyone (end of July, maybe earlier) has been offered the vaccine then, and only then, they can introduce vaccine passports - that will be the best recruiting sergeant for almost full vaccine take-up.
End of October. Vaccine passports can only be based on both doses otherwise there is no incentive to get the 2nd dose and get full protection.
Surely that’s only true of vaccine sceptics. I or pretty much anyone I know doesn’t need an incentive of any kind in order two have both doses.
I disagree. If we have a pretty free summer with most things open, cases and deaths low, then I'm pretty sure inertia will set in. People won't see the need to go for the 2nd dose or will just be too lazy or busy enjoying the freedom. I suspect there will be issues persuading the under 40s in August- October.
Either way making vaccine passports based on just one dose sends completely the wrong message.
Agree that to achieve a passport full vaccination must happen but I’m not convinced that the under 40’s will decline to be vaccinated in great numbers. I think there might be an issue with the 18 - 30’s based on them not seeing Covid as a threat to them personally. I think the passport is an excellent carrot though.
2 observations ( not based on any inside knowledge). 1 There seems to be increasing evidence that the vaccines are incredibly succesful at stopping both infection and contagion. But the Government is loath to bang the drum as they think we will all go wild and party if we know that. I think that it would be better to bang the drum in order to convince everybody to get vaccinated asap. 2 They must have much more vaccine in stock than they have let on. April was supposed to be the slowdown month but half a million people have been vaccinated virtually every day. I expect this subterfuge was to distract the EU etc from trying to cut our supply.
It did slow down in the first half of April but is now ramping up.
Once everyone (end of July, maybe earlier) has been offered the vaccine then, and only then, they can introduce vaccine passports - that will be the best recruiting sergeant for almost full vaccine take-up.
End of October. Vaccine passports can only be based on both doses otherwise there is no incentive to get the 2nd dose and get full protection.
Surely that’s only true of vaccine sceptics. I or pretty much anyone I know doesn’t need an incentive of any kind in order two have both doses.
I disagree. If we have a pretty free summer with most things open, cases and deaths low, then I'm pretty sure inertia will set in. People won't see the need to go for the 2nd dose or will just be too lazy or busy enjoying the freedom. I suspect there will be issues persuading the under 40s in August- October.
Either way making vaccine passports based on just one dose sends completely the wrong message.
Agree that to achieve a passport full vaccination must happen but I’m not convinced that the under 40’s will decline to be vaccinated in great numbers. I think there might be an issue with the 18 - 30’s based on them not seeing Covid as a threat to them personally. I think the passport is an excellent carrot though.
The carrot needs to be dangled. In December, I knew of a handful of people in their 40’s adamant that they wouldn’t take the vaccine.
All have now changed their mind and have had or will have it, so that they can go on holiday. The success of the programme may have something to do with it, but mainly, the dangled carrot of a holiday did the trick
2 observations ( not based on any inside knowledge). 1 There seems to be increasing evidence that the vaccines are incredibly succesful at stopping both infection and contagion. But the Government is loath to bang the drum as they think we will all go wild and party if we know that. I think that it would be better to bang the drum in order to convince everybody to get vaccinated asap. 2 They must have much more vaccine in stock than they have let on. April was supposed to be the slowdown month but half a million people have been vaccinated virtually every day. I expect this subterfuge was to distract the EU etc from trying to cut our supply.
It did slow down in the first half of April but is now ramping up.
Once everyone (end of July, maybe earlier) has been offered the vaccine then, and only then, they can introduce vaccine passports - that will be the best recruiting sergeant for almost full vaccine take-up.
End of October. Vaccine passports can only be based on both doses otherwise there is no incentive to get the 2nd dose and get full protection.
Surely that’s only true of vaccine sceptics. I or pretty much anyone I know doesn’t need an incentive of any kind in order two have both doses.
I disagree. If we have a pretty free summer with most things open, cases and deaths low, then I'm pretty sure inertia will set in. People won't see the need to go for the 2nd dose or will just be too lazy or busy enjoying the freedom. I suspect there will be issues persuading the under 40s in August- October.
Either way making vaccine passports based on just one dose sends completely the wrong message.
Agree that to achieve a passport full vaccination must happen but I’m not convinced that the under 40’s will decline to be vaccinated in great numbers. I think there might be an issue with the 18 - 30’s based on them not seeing Covid as a threat to them personally. I think the passport is an excellent carrot though.
The carrot needs to be dangled. In December, I knew of a handful of people in their 40’s adamant that they wouldn’t take the vaccine.
All have now changed their mind and have had or will have it, so that they can go on holiday. The success of the programme may have something to do with it, but mainly, the dangled carrot of a holiday did the trick
Well after yesterday’s 2nd dose I’ve not got any arm pain (didn’t for the first jab) but I did have a bit of a hot then cold night. I’m exaggerating the extent of the side effects to Mr Tatters and an enjoying the first lie in I’ve had since the first jab while he gets the chickens up.
2 observations ( not based on any inside knowledge). 1 There seems to be increasing evidence that the vaccines are incredibly succesful at stopping both infection and contagion. But the Government is loath to bang the drum as they think we will all go wild and party if we know that. I think that it would be better to bang the drum in order to convince everybody to get vaccinated asap. 2 They must have much more vaccine in stock than they have let on. April was supposed to be the slowdown month but half a million people have been vaccinated virtually every day. I expect this subterfuge was to distract the EU etc from trying to cut our supply.
It did slow down in the first half of April but is now ramping up.
Once everyone (end of July, maybe earlier) has been offered the vaccine then, and only then, they can introduce vaccine passports - that will be the best recruiting sergeant for almost full vaccine take-up.
End of October. Vaccine passports can only be based on both doses otherwise there is no incentive to get the 2nd dose and get full protection.
Surely that’s only true of vaccine sceptics. I or pretty much anyone I know doesn’t need an incentive of any kind in order two have both doses.
I disagree. If we have a pretty free summer with most things open, cases and deaths low, then I'm pretty sure inertia will set in. People won't see the need to go for the 2nd dose or will just be too lazy or busy enjoying the freedom. I suspect there will be issues persuading the under 40s in August- October.
Either way making vaccine passports based on just one dose sends completely the wrong message.
Agree that to achieve a passport full vaccination must happen but I’m not convinced that the under 40’s will decline to be vaccinated in great numbers. I think there might be an issue with the 18 - 30’s based on them not seeing Covid as a threat to them personally. I think the passport is an excellent carrot though.
Get what you are saying but what I'm talking about isn't people declining the vaccine but rather taking the first dose but then as the country gets back to normal allowing inertia to take over or being lazy or simy not seeing the need to follow through and get the 2nd. I'm not talking about a principled decision or even anti vaxer lunacy but simply the path of least resistance if people see things continuing to get better. It may not be in huge numbers but I do think its a factor and is one reason why vaccine passports should be based off both doses.
2 observations ( not based on any inside knowledge). 1 There seems to be increasing evidence that the vaccines are incredibly succesful at stopping both infection and contagion. But the Government is loath to bang the drum as they think we will all go wild and party if we know that. I think that it would be better to bang the drum in order to convince everybody to get vaccinated asap. 2 They must have much more vaccine in stock than they have let on. April was supposed to be the slowdown month but half a million people have been vaccinated virtually every day. I expect this subterfuge was to distract the EU etc from trying to cut our supply.
It did slow down in the first half of April but is now ramping up.
Once everyone (end of July, maybe earlier) has been offered the vaccine then, and only then, they can introduce vaccine passports - that will be the best recruiting sergeant for almost full vaccine take-up.
End of October. Vaccine passports can only be based on both doses otherwise there is no incentive to get the 2nd dose and get full protection.
Surely that’s only true of vaccine sceptics. I or pretty much anyone I know doesn’t need an incentive of any kind in order two have both doses.
My surgery insists I use the My GP app. It was updated last week. You can add a green tick and a QR code to confirm you've had both doses 12 days after your second jab. (Time for the antibodies to develop.) This will be Wednesday for me.
I presume your friend has spoken to GP as some of my family got it earlier (under 40s) due to chronic Asthma.
Thanks - I'll get her onto it. She was meant to have one a while back but her doc said that although she'd been to hospital last year with an asthma attack she hadn't had to stay in overnight so didn't qualify!
Sorry to hear that about your friend. I am pretty certain the vast majority of over 40s will be done by mid-May to keep the timeline of end July, so not long to wait worst case.
My mate (43) tried the online booking and it let her book for this Friday. Very pleased for her. I think it was @suzisausage that suggested it might work as well. Thanks both!
I presume your friend has spoken to GP as some of my family got it earlier (under 40s) due to chronic Asthma.
Thanks - I'll get her onto it. She was meant to have one a while back but her doc said that although she'd been to hospital last year with an asthma attack she hadn't had to stay in overnight so didn't qualify!
Sorry to hear that about your friend. I am pretty certain the vast majority of over 40s will be done by mid-May to keep the timeline of end July, so not long to wait worst case.
My mate (43) tried the online booking and it let her book for this Friday. Very pleased for her. I think it was @suzisausage that suggested it might work as well. Thanks both!
However, once you are invited by you GP, it appears that you can book via https://www.nhs.uk/book-a-coronavirus-vaccination/do-you-have-an-nhs-number the day after (there must be some central register that notes you have been offered the vaccine). It seems there is more short term availability on nhs.uk, but this is obviously dependent on local area.
One last note, when booking on nhs.uk for 1st jab, it also asked us to book the 2nd one at the same time.
FYI, on both options, it is possible to cancel your appointment and try the alternative (I did this a few times to find the nearer locations availability).
I presume your friend has spoken to GP as some of my family got it earlier (under 40s) due to chronic Asthma.
Thanks - I'll get her onto it. She was meant to have one a while back but her doc said that although she'd been to hospital last year with an asthma attack she hadn't had to stay in overnight so didn't qualify!
I mean there's no need for a second vaccine if you've already had Covid.
Edit: I actually meant to write that you're probably less of a priority for further vaccination if you've already had Covid, but I wrote it quickly after drinking and yeah I see it's now caused a bit of a reaction.
An acquaintance's son is doing research at one of our top universities into the effects of the vaccines. People who've had the two jabs with a four week gap, as originally planned, now have only 30% antibodies compared to what they had after the vaccines had kicked in to full effect. If the twelve week gap jabs replicate this, there will be a big surge in cases around September. So, book your holidays for August.
To give you an idea of how good the group is he's working in at his uni, they predicted pretty much everything that happened from last June onwards once the Government laid out the restrictions or lack of them.
Could you please provide a link to the data or if not at least which university this research is being conducted so I can have a look see. This is the most significant comment I have seen for weeks so would really like to dig into this. Seems to go against the published data so far ?
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You do know Mr Tatters reads this thread.
Either way making vaccine passports based on just one dose sends completely the wrong message.
Covid-19: Vaccine rollout in England extends to 44-year-olds
About half a million more people in England are being invited to book their Covid-19 jab from Monday, as the vaccine rollout opens to 44-year-olds.People can book now via this link
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/
However, once you are invited by you GP, it appears that you can book via https://www.nhs.uk/book-a-coronavirus-vaccination/do-you-have-an-nhs-number the day after (there must be some central register that notes you have been offered the vaccine). It seems there is more short term availability on nhs.uk, but this is obviously dependent on local area.
One last note, when booking on nhs.uk for 1st jab, it also asked us to book the 2nd one at the same time.
FYI, on both options, it is possible to cancel your appointment and try the alternative (I did this a few times to find the nearer locations availability).
Hope this helps someone.
Edit: I actually meant to write that you're probably less of a priority for further vaccination if you've already had Covid, but I wrote it quickly after drinking and yeah I see it's now caused a bit of a reaction.
So sorry about that.
(I'll get me coat)