You cannot really say he ‘used’ this lot IMO. How many games did each player start under him?
The top point is my point, he doesn’t work well with flair players.
If you had originally said he didn’t work well I’d have agreed. He always wanted to improve their defensive game, some of the players signed were never going to do that.
I disagreed with the idea he “hates flair players” given he signed so many.
It’s generally only those who had a good level of fitness, worked hard and played their part defensively that regular played - Aribo, Leko, Millar and McGeady (latter probably more due to his experience than fitness and defending).
When you look at the others there are reasons it didn’t work out and it’s not entirely down to Bowyer. Williams divides opinion on here and when he got a run he got injured. Jaiyesimi came in just before he resigned, new signings aren’t always thrown straight in. Fosu didn’t fit his diamond formation. Maddison has since dropped to the 8th tier. Oztumer was never Championship quality and was signed to add squad depth.
Bowyer was an absolutely trash manager of flair players, end of story. I'd almost have liked to see him and Tony Watt here at the same time for the macabre fascination of it all
You cannot really say he ‘used’ this lot IMO. How many games did each player start under him?
The top point is my point, he doesn’t work well with flair players.
If you had originally said he didn’t work well I’d have agreed. He always wanted to improve their defensive game, some of the players signed were never going to do that.
I disagreed with the idea he “hates flair players” given he signed so many.
It’s generally only those who had a good level of fitness, worked hard and played their part defensively that regular played - Aribo, Leko, Millar and McGeady (latter probably more due to his experience than fitness and defending).
When you look at the others there are reasons it didn’t work out and it’s not entirely down to Bowyer. Williams divides opinion on here and when he got a run he got injured. Jaiyesimi came in just before he resigned, new signings aren’t always thrown straight in. Fosu didn’t fit his diamond formation. Maddison has since dropped to the 8th tier. Oztumer was never Championship quality and was signed to add squad depth.
Oztumer now olats in the Turkish Supa liga. I would expect that to be well above league 1 over all.
Maddison had personal issues but was easily Championship level.
Played 90 minutes and set up a goal on his debut at the weekend as well.
You cannot really say he ‘used’ this lot IMO. How many games did each player start under him?
The top point is my point, he doesn’t work well with flair players.
If you had originally said he didn’t work well I’d have agreed. He always wanted to improve their defensive game, some of the players signed were never going to do that.
I disagreed with the idea he “hates flair players” given he signed so many.
It’s generally only those who had a good level of fitness, worked hard and played their part defensively that regular played - Aribo, Leko, Millar and McGeady (latter probably more due to his experience than fitness and defending).
When you look at the others there are reasons it didn’t work out and it’s not entirely down to Bowyer. Williams divides opinion on here and when he got a run he got injured. Jaiyesimi came in just before he resigned, new signings aren’t always thrown straight in. Fosu didn’t fit his diamond formation. Maddison has since dropped to the 8th tier. Oztumer was never Championship quality and was signed to add squad depth.
Oztumer now olats in the Turkish Supa liga. I would expect that to be well above league 1 over all.
Maddison had personal issues but was easily Championship level.
Played 90 minutes and set up a goal on his debut at the weekend as well.
Maddison or Oztumer. Either on form would have been useful on Saturday.
Did either of them ever show any of that in a Charlton shirt?
You cannot really say he ‘used’ this lot IMO. How many games did each player start under him?
The top point is my point, he doesn’t work well with flair players.
If you had originally said he didn’t work well I’d have agreed. He always wanted to improve their defensive game, some of the players signed were never going to do that.
I disagreed with the idea he “hates flair players” given he signed so many.
It’s generally only those who had a good level of fitness, worked hard and played their part defensively that regular played - Aribo, Leko, Millar and McGeady (latter probably more due to his experience than fitness and defending).
When you look at the others there are reasons it didn’t work out and it’s not entirely down to Bowyer. Williams divides opinion on here and when he got a run he got injured. Jaiyesimi came in just before he resigned, new signings aren’t always thrown straight in. Fosu didn’t fit his diamond formation. Maddison has since dropped to the 8th tier. Oztumer was never Championship quality and was signed to add squad depth.
Oztumer now olats in the Turkish Supa liga. I would expect that to be well above league 1 over all.
Maddison had personal issues but was easily Championship level.
Played 90 minutes and set up a goal on his debut at the weekend as well.
Maddison or Oztumer. Either on form would have been useful on Saturday.
Did either of them ever show any of that in a Charlton shirt?
Two of the games I saw live last year against MKD and AFC Wombles Maddison impressed me . He also scored two wonder goals against Orient and Plymouth and as said above he had a good cameo against the Mackems on hid debut . I do wonder along with Williams if Nigel could have managed him better than Bowyer did , although clearly he had MH problems .
Oztumer was outstanding on his debut against Forest and I was hoping that he would get a chance in L1 . He really impressed me when at Walsall ironically in a midfield which also included George Dobson .
I was just about to slate Jaiyesimi for another poor crossing effort about 30 seconds before he scored. Much as he put the extra effort in yesterday to meet the crossed ball for his goal (which was a thing of beauty) I still think he needs to think / look up, before smashing the ball into the legs of a man 3 yards away from him, when crossing for Stockley who has, for the umpteenth time, bust a lung to get into the box.
I was just about to slate Jaiyesimi for another poor crossing effort about 30 seconds before he scored. Much as he put the extra effort in yesterday to meet the crossed ball for his goal (which was a thing of beauty) I still think he needs to think / look up, before smashing the ball into the legs of a man 3 yards away from him, when crossing for Stockley who has, for the umpteenth time, bust a lung to get into the box.
A for effort.
More crossing practice please.
Crossing in general was an absolute joke until Gunter put that ball in for DJ
We were struggling to get the ball of the bloody ground let alone beating the first man
I was just about to slate Jaiyesimi for another poor crossing effort about 30 seconds before he scored. Much as he put the extra effort in yesterday to meet the crossed ball for his goal (which was a thing of beauty) I still think he needs to think / look up, before smashing the ball into the legs of a man 3 yards away from him, when crossing for Stockley who has, for the umpteenth time, bust a lung to get into the box.
A for effort.
More crossing practice please.
Crossing in general was an absolute joke until Gunter put that ball in for DJ
We were struggling to get the ball of the bloody ground let alone beating the first man
Our crossing has been diabolical for a couple of seasons. It needs to be corrected because it’s a massive weapon for us with Stockley to aim at. As you say, it’s not one particular player that is the main culprit, they were all hitting the first man or just not getting it off the ground, even, far too often. You expect a bit of that but not every bloody attempt! Until Gunter suddenly pulled out a workday we hadn’t got one right despite quite a few attempts, and again, from memory, it was only Matthews’ cross to Stockley that was a good one in the second half.
The positive is we got players on the ball out wide in good areas a lot yesterday, which suggests it’s coming. I hope they are all taking crossing drills everyday during training.
Thought last season when we had Millar on the other flank you could clearly see the difference in level - though towards the back end of last season and the beginning of this one DJ seemed to have found another gear and was looking like he could be a real asset.
Not sure if he just regressed to the mean, or there's something else going on. But I do hope he can continue to improve as he is strong, physical and can take a player on the inside and outside which is a useful skill to have.
I touched on this on my post match comments, but I’m curious to see who others would like to keep or move on at the end of the season? I think for me, keep Amos, Morgan, Jayesimi, Inniss, Schwarz and Aneke. Would like to get Millar and Stockley, but think both will have better options at the end of the season
Isn't Jaiyesimi on a three-and-a-half year deal?
With Sandgaard's five-year plan to reach the Premier League, Jaiyesimi is part of our all-conquering Championship winning squad.
Oh, Jesus!
Are you really judging a player based on two substitute appearances?
Yup.
Let's keep track of this, shall we?
I will be delighted to be wrong.
There's no mystery here. The guy is just useless.
Hopefully we will offload him at the earliest opportunity.
he shows flashes but personally don't think he has it - never seems to know what he's doing and as others have said, his workrate without the ball is poor
he shows flashes but personally don't think he has it - never seems to know what he's doing and as others have said, his workrate without the ball is poor
You missed his worst feature.
Next time that he plays (and may it be a long time coming), note how he positions himself so that he cannot receive the ball.
When we have the ball (eg Matthews or one of our midfield players), there is a unique position which makes it difficult for the player with the ball to pass to you ... it's a straight line between you and the player with the ball and where there is a member of the opposition in between. It's the only configuration to avoid if you want the ball ... and the one to create if you don't want it.
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I disagreed with the idea he “hates flair players” given he signed so many.
It’s generally only those who had a good level of fitness, worked hard and played their part defensively that regular played - Aribo, Leko, Millar and McGeady (latter probably more due to his experience than fitness and defending).
When you look at the others there are reasons it didn’t work out and it’s not entirely down to Bowyer. Williams divides opinion on here and when he got a run he got injured. Jaiyesimi came in just before he resigned, new signings aren’t always thrown straight in. Fosu didn’t fit his diamond formation. Maddison has since dropped to the 8th tier. Oztumer was never Championship quality and was signed to add squad depth.
It still fucking haunts me.
Oztumer was outstanding on his debut against Forest and I was hoping that he would get a chance in L1 . He really impressed me when at Walsall ironically in a midfield which also included George Dobson .
A for effort.
More crossing practice please.
We were struggling to get the ball of the bloody ground let alone beating the first man
The positive is we got players on the ball out wide in good areas a lot yesterday, which suggests it’s coming. I hope they are all taking crossing drills everyday during training.
https://www.cafc.co.uk/valley-pass/video-player?widgets%5Bstream-amg%5D%5Bcontent_id%5D=0_0d77t9ym
Not sure if he just regressed to the mean, or there's something else going on. But I do hope he can continue to improve as he is strong, physical and can take a player on the inside and outside which is a useful skill to have.
Hopefully we will offload him at the earliest opportunity.
Raw player, his Dulwich Hamlet roots showing a tad too much of late.
I must have missed that 10 minutes.
Next time that he plays (and may it be a long time coming), note how he positions himself so that he cannot receive the ball.
When we have the ball (eg Matthews or one of our midfield players), there is a unique position which makes it difficult for the player with the ball to pass to you ... it's a straight line between you and the player with the ball and where there is a member of the opposition in between. It's the only configuration to avoid if you want the ball ... and the one to create if you don't want it.
Jaiyesimi creates it to perfection.