Hull is the interesting one for me - Adkins clearly did well at Scunthorpe and Southampton, but was a lot more iffy at Reading and Sheff Utd.
If he'd have been poor at Hull you'd think that he'd been bad for 8 years or so, and not the best choice.
But he seems pretty well regarded at Hull and kept them up under difficult circumstances when the managers before and after him were failing or failed to do so.
I must be missing something. Since 2013 Adkins has: Overseen Reading being relegated. Sacked after 18 months. Kept Sheff Utd in League One. Sacked after 11 months. Got Hull from 20th in the Champ to 18th. Left after 18months.
I'm all-in on Adkins. Proven track record of getting out of this horrible, stinking division, which is what matters most. And he's a tactical coach and a motivator.
Bring him home!
I can understand people being disappointed when they've been imagining Premier League managers, but come on...
14, 12 and 10 years ago. That’s why people are disappointed, I think that’s easy to understand.
When's your cutoff point?
I tend to look at the last five years max, and one who’s record has improved over the years not got worse!
So someone who has got promoted from the league one in the last five years? That's a pool of 15 managers. Certainly makes the task simple...
Adkins wouldn't have been my first choice but he's done well historically at this level, so I'm willing to give him a chance. TS hasn't done much wrong since taking over so I trust him to make the right choice.
I must be missing something. Since 2013 Adkins has: Overseen Reading being relegated. Sacked after 18 months. Kept Sheff Utd in League One. Sacked after 11 months. Got Hull from 20th in the Champ to 18th. Left after 18months.
Not worked since 2019.
I'd rather have JJ.
13th, not 18th with Hull as improved them the following season
Might have continued doing better and put them on an upward curve had the Hull owners been crap like they have been for a few years which ultimately relegated them a year later... I know its not the greatest position to end in but I think most would be foolish on here to turn down a 13th placed finish in the Championship
I'm all-in on Adkins. Proven track record of getting out of this horrible, stinking division, which is what matters most. And he's a tactical coach and a motivator.
Bring him home!
I can understand people being disappointed when they've been imagining Premier League managers, but come on...
14, 12 and 10 years ago. That’s why people are disappointed, I think that’s easy to understand.
When's your cutoff point?
I tend to look at the last five years max, and one who’s record has improved over the years not got worse!
So someone who has got promoted from the league one in the last five years? That's a pool of 15 managers. Certainly makes the task simple...
edit - 14! excluding Lee Bowyer.
I never said promoted, I said a good record.
And just because it’s not a simple tasks doesn’t mean I have to be happy with Adkins.
I must be missing something. Since 2013 Adkins has: Overseen Reading being relegated. Sacked after 18 months. Kept Sheff Utd in League One. Sacked after 11 months. Got Hull from 20th in the Champ to 18th. Left after 18months.
Not worked since 2019.
I'd rather have JJ.
13th, not 18th with Hull as improved them the following season
Might have continued doing better and put them on an upward curve had the Hull owners been crap like they have been for a few years which ultimately relegated them a year later
and Reading where as good as down by the time he got the job there
I must be missing something. Since 2013 Adkins has: Overseen Reading being relegated. Sacked after 18 months. Kept Sheff Utd in League One. Sacked after 11 months. Got Hull from 20th in the Champ to 18th. Left after 18months.
Not worked since 2019.
I'd rather have JJ.
This is where I’m at. I’d put much more emphasis on his recent record than his older one.
I wouldn’t have a problem with Jackson to be honest, but I do think we can sometimes be overly sentimental about one of our own. It’s one of our biggest strengths when you look at the fact Curbs does Valley Pass, ex players do match day corporate and Steve Brown is now regularly commentating, but I don’t think it’s a bad thing to take an objective view outside the Charlton bubble
If it as Adkins, that strikes me as a lazy, unambitious decision. His successes are all in the distant past now. The guy is obviously desperate for s job - any job, which implies that he's probably cheap too. We had more than enough of that approach under RD.
Initially underwhelmed but on reflection I think it might work out. Certainly knows how to escape league one which has to be our priority. Seems a thoughtful type of coach and I’m hoping JJ stays on and would learn. On reflection I’m quite ok with him.
So people don't want Adkins because his success is too long ago but would be happy with Curbs?
Adkins started his management career after Curbs left us!
Exactly, he's not young but 56 isn't old in management terms, and he last managed (at a higher level than us and with decent results) the season before last.
This is what I’m always worried about when people think the grass is greener. Bowyer had had a blip recently and things weren’t improving much but if we end up with Adkins, wtf, it will be a terrible trade for me. And everyone saying “get JJ in, he knows the club” wtf to you too - Bowyer knew the club and when he struggled everyone said it was too sentimental.
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If he'd have been poor at Hull you'd think that he'd been bad for 8 years or so, and not the best choice.
But he seems pretty well regarded at Hull and kept them up under difficult circumstances when the managers before and after him were failing or failed to do so.
Decent enough shout for me, if not that exciting.
Overseen Reading being relegated. Sacked after 18 months.
Kept Sheff Utd in League One. Sacked after 11 months.
Got Hull from 20th in the Champ to 18th. Left after 18months.
Not worked since 2019.
I'd rather have JJ.
edit - 14! excluding Lee Bowyer.
Adkins started his management career after Curbs left us!
Might have continued doing better and put them on an upward curve had the Hull owners been crap like they have been for a few years which ultimately relegated them a year later... I know its not the greatest position to end in but I think most would be foolish on here to turn down a 13th placed finish in the Championship
And just because it’s not a simple tasks doesn’t mean I have to be happy with Adkins.
Unless TS seriously thinks we can still go up this season .
I propose we interview nobody who has already had the Covid jab!