For me Albies dead ball delivery is miles ahead of JFC and he showed that at the end of the season. However he is a bit hit n miss in terms of drifting in and out of games for long periods. I do think he should be in the matchday squad this year for sure but also agree if we are thinking he will be a regular starter then we are in trouble imo
Yes I agree, he did do some good bits, but just doesn’t do it enough. I know some players develop later, but 21 after going through an academy isn’t that young that he shouldn’t be influencing games these days.
21 isn't that young? come on now.
So when people say if he is good enough he’s old enough, why at 21 is he still not good enough and how old do we give him until?.
He is good enough and our best midfielder (IMO) .
He's not influencing the games as much as he should (in your opinion) because he is asked to do defence duties, give him a free reign and I think he'd influence more than he has done.
For me Albies dead ball delivery is miles ahead of JFC and he showed that at the end of the season. However he is a bit hit n miss in terms of drifting in and out of games for long periods. I do think he should be in the matchday squad this year for sure but also agree if we are thinking he will be a regular starter then we are in trouble imo
Yes I agree, he did do some good bits, but just doesn’t do it enough. I know some players develop later, but 21 after going through an academy isn’t that young that he shouldn’t be influencing games these days.
21 isn't that young? come on now.
So when people say if he is good enough he’s old enough, why at 21 is he still not good enough and how old do we give him until?.
You’re presenting your personal opinion as if it’s a fact.
Because that’s my opinion, and by no means do I think I’m the oracle. But it’s what I believe. If I’m proved to be wrong I’ll happily admit so, because that would be to the benefit of Charlton. If I’m proved correct I look forward to watching someone good enough.
For me Albies dead ball delivery is miles ahead of JFC and he showed that at the end of the season. However he is a bit hit n miss in terms of drifting in and out of games for long periods. I do think he should be in the matchday squad this year for sure but also agree if we are thinking he will be a regular starter then we are in trouble imo
Yes I agree, he did do some good bits, but just doesn’t do it enough. I know some players develop later, but 21 after going through an academy isn’t that young that he shouldn’t be influencing games these days.
Cristiano Ronaldo only scored 9 goals in the premier league when he was 21 whatever happened to him.
For me Albies dead ball delivery is miles ahead of JFC and he showed that at the end of the season. However he is a bit hit n miss in terms of drifting in and out of games for long periods. I do think he should be in the matchday squad this year for sure but also agree if we are thinking he will be a regular starter then we are in trouble imo
Yes I agree, he did do some good bits, but just doesn’t do it enough. I know some players develop later, but 21 after going through an academy isn’t that young that he shouldn’t be influencing games these days.
21 isn't that young? come on now.
So when people say if he is good enough he’s old enough, why at 21 is he still not good enough and how old do we give him until?.
He is good enough and our best midfielder (IMO) .
He's not influencing the games as much as he should (in your opinion) because he is asked to do defence duties, give him a free reign and I think he'd influence more than he has done.
So is he not a midfielder?, I thought that involved defending and attacking..... I’m being flippant, people seem to be of the opinion I think he’s shit, I don’t, but do think he’s not the player we pin our hopes on. When he came on against Lincoln he ran his nuts off and did do well, but that’s a game at the end of the season, when he had the rest of the season to do it, and he was selected quite often.
Shame about Shinnie, good player. Time for Morgan to step up in that case.
I think Albie might go off on loan myself
Would be a mistake, showed he's capable over the last couple of games of this season
He was ok, but didn’t particularly shine. Don’t think he is the one to rely on when we’re looking for promotion. Probably another loan of lots of games is best.
Albie didn't shine in the last couple of games? You kidding?
7.28 & second to Maatsen against the league leaders & 7.74 and an assist against Lincoln another decent side for this level
Also got an assist on his first corner against Accrington looking bright throughout that performance too.
Both teams nothing to play for, I didn’t say he wasn’t any good, but he wasn’t as amazing as you make out either. He needs to be more consistent and effect game all the time. He doesn’t do that.
You realise he's 21 not 27 right?
For a 21 year old, he played very well in those three and he WILL NOT become more consistent without playing more consistently.
He's proven he's good enough to play at this level, he deserves the opportunity to show if he's good enough for a promotion push, he is certainly creative enough.
I am not agreeing or disagreeing if Albie is good enough/consistent enough or anything else. But why does he deserve it?
No one deserves it, you have to earn it.
We won't get promoted by giving players runs in the team because they "deserve an opportunity", they have to earn it in training and with their performances on the pitch when they do get the chance.
Because each time he's been frozen out he's worked his way back in. He deserves the opportunity based on earning it.
Problem is we had a manager up until 12 games a go that would throw players under the bus if they didn't perform miracles. Now maybe we can have realistic expectations of not just the young players, but the league 1 players we have and sign.
Shame about Shinnie, good player. Time for Morgan to step up in that case.
I think Albie might go off on loan myself
Would be a mistake, showed he's capable over the last couple of games of this season
He was ok, but didn’t particularly shine. Don’t think he is the one to rely on when we’re looking for promotion. Probably another loan of lots of games is best.
Albie didn't shine in the last couple of games? You kidding?
7.28 & second to Maatsen against the league leaders & 7.74 and an assist against Lincoln another decent side for this level
Also got an assist on his first corner against Accrington looking bright throughout that performance too.
Both teams nothing to play for, I didn’t say he wasn’t any good, but he wasn’t as amazing as you make out either. He needs to be more consistent and effect game all the time. He doesn’t do that.
You realise he's 21 not 27 right?
For a 21 year old, he played very well in those three and he WILL NOT become more consistent without playing more consistently.
He's proven he's good enough to play at this level, he deserves the opportunity to show if he's good enough for a promotion push, he is certainly creative enough.
I am not agreeing or disagreeing if Albie is good enough/consistent enough or anything else. But why does he deserve it?
No one deserves it, you have to earn it.
We won't get promoted by giving players runs in the team because they "deserve an opportunity", they have to earn it in training and with their performances on the pitch when they do get the chance.
Because each time he's been frozen out he's worked his way back in. He deserves the opportunity based on earning it... Not that hard to get?
And he keeps being "frozen out" for a reason. Absolutely he should be one of our six center mids for next season.
But he doesn't deserve just to be given a place in the team. Neither does anyone else.
Shame about Shinnie, good player. Time for Morgan to step up in that case.
I think Albie might go off on loan myself
Would be a mistake, showed he's capable over the last couple of games of this season
He was ok, but didn’t particularly shine. Don’t think he is the one to rely on when we’re looking for promotion. Probably another loan of lots of games is best.
Albie didn't shine in the last couple of games? You kidding?
7.28 & second to Maatsen against the league leaders & 7.74 and an assist against Lincoln another decent side for this level
Also got an assist on his first corner against Accrington looking bright throughout that performance too.
Both teams nothing to play for, I didn’t say he wasn’t any good, but he wasn’t as amazing as you make out either. He needs to be more consistent and effect game all the time. He doesn’t do that.
You realise he's 21 not 27 right?
For a 21 year old, he played very well in those three and he WILL NOT become more consistent without playing more consistently.
He's proven he's good enough to play at this level, he deserves the opportunity to show if he's good enough for a promotion push, he is certainly creative enough.
I am not agreeing or disagreeing if Albie is good enough/consistent enough or anything else. But why does he deserve it?
No one deserves it, you have to earn it.
We won't get promoted by giving players runs in the team because they "deserve an opportunity", they have to earn it in training and with their performances on the pitch when they do get the chance.
Because each time he's been frozen out he's worked his way back in. He deserves the opportunity based on earning it... Not that hard to get?
And he keeps being "frozen out" for a reason. Absolutely he should be one of our six center mids for next season.
But he doesn't deserve just to be given a place in the team. Neither does anyone else.
Surely if he’s that good he would have already been a regular and then there would be no debate. But he keeps getting dropped for a reason.
Shame about Shinnie, good player. Time for Morgan to step up in that case.
I think Albie might go off on loan myself
Would be a mistake, showed he's capable over the last couple of games of this season
He was ok, but didn’t particularly shine. Don’t think he is the one to rely on when we’re looking for promotion. Probably another loan of lots of games is best.
Albie didn't shine in the last couple of games? You kidding?
7.28 & second to Maatsen against the league leaders & 7.74 and an assist against Lincoln another decent side for this level
Also got an assist on his first corner against Accrington looking bright throughout that performance too.
Both teams nothing to play for, I didn’t say he wasn’t any good, but he wasn’t as amazing as you make out either. He needs to be more consistent and effect game all the time. He doesn’t do that.
You realise he's 21 not 27 right?
For a 21 year old, he played very well in those three and he WILL NOT become more consistent without playing more consistently.
He's proven he's good enough to play at this level, he deserves the opportunity to show if he's good enough for a promotion push, he is certainly creative enough.
I am not agreeing or disagreeing if Albie is good enough/consistent enough or anything else. But why does he deserve it?
No one deserves it, you have to earn it.
We won't get promoted by giving players runs in the team because they "deserve an opportunity", they have to earn it in training and with their performances on the pitch when they do get the chance.
Because each time he's been frozen out he's worked his way back in. He deserves the opportunity based on earning it... Not that hard to get?
And he keeps being "frozen out" for a reason. Absolutely he should be one of our six center mids for next season.
But he doesn't deserve just to be given a place in the team. Neither does anyone else.
Surely if he’s that good he would have already been a regular and then there would be no debate. But he keeps getting dropped for a reason.
He got dropped by Bowyer for one clearance in a game that he had otherwise done very well in.
Anyway this is the rumours thread so let's end this discussion and hope Albie shows us why he got his 3 year extension (to June 2023) on the pitch.
Shame about Shinnie, good player. Time for Morgan to step up in that case.
I think Albie might go off on loan myself
Would be a mistake, showed he's capable over the last couple of games of this season
He was ok, but didn’t particularly shine. Don’t think he is the one to rely on when we’re looking for promotion. Probably another loan of lots of games is best.
Albie didn't shine in the last couple of games? You kidding?
7.28 & second to Maatsen against the league leaders & 7.74 and an assist against Lincoln another decent side for this level
Also got an assist on his first corner against Accrington looking bright throughout that performance too.
Both teams nothing to play for, I didn’t say he wasn’t any good, but he wasn’t as amazing as you make out either. He needs to be more consistent and effect game all the time. He doesn’t do that.
You realise he's 21 not 27 right?
For a 21 year old, he played very well in those three and he WILL NOT become more consistent without playing more consistently.
He's proven he's good enough to play at this level, he deserves the opportunity to show if he's good enough for a promotion push, he is certainly creative enough.
I am not agreeing or disagreeing if Albie is good enough/consistent enough or anything else. But why does he deserve it?
No one deserves it, you have to earn it.
We won't get promoted by giving players runs in the team because they "deserve an opportunity", they have to earn it in training and with their performances on the pitch when they do get the chance.
Because each time he's been frozen out he's worked his way back in. He deserves the opportunity based on earning it... Not that hard to get?
And he keeps being "frozen out" for a reason. Absolutely he should be one of our six center mids for next season.
But he doesn't deserve just to be given a place in the team. Neither does anyone else.
Surely if he’s that good he would have already been a regular and then there would be no debate. But he keeps getting dropped for a reason.
He got dropped by Bowyer for one clearance in a game that he had otherwise done very well in.
Anyway this is the Shinnie thread so let's end this discussion and hope Albie shows us why he got his 3 year extension on the pitch.
For me Albies dead ball delivery is miles ahead of JFC and he showed that at the end of the season. However he is a bit hit n miss in terms of drifting in and out of games for long periods. I do think he should be in the matchday squad this year for sure but also agree if we are thinking he will be a regular starter then we are in trouble imo
Yes I agree, he did do some good bits, but just doesn’t do it enough. I know some players develop later, but 21 after going through an academy isn’t that young that he shouldn’t be influencing games these days.
21 isn't that young? come on now.
So when people say if he is good enough he’s old enough, why at 21 is he still not good enough and how old do we give him until?.
Well, Kevin Lisbie was a 'promising youngster' til age 38...
For me Albies dead ball delivery is miles ahead of JFC and he showed that at the end of the season. However he is a bit hit n miss in terms of drifting in and out of games for long periods. I do think he should be in the matchday squad this year for sure but also agree if we are thinking he will be a regular starter then we are in trouble imo
Yes I agree, he did do some good bits, but just doesn’t do it enough. I know some players develop later, but 21 after going through an academy isn’t that young that he shouldn’t be influencing games these days.
21 isn't that young? come on now.
So when people say if he is good enough he’s old enough, why at 21 is he still not good enough and how old do we give him until?.
Well, Kevin Lisbie was a 'promising youngster' til age 38...
Shame about Shinnie, good player. Time for Morgan to step up in that case.
I think Albie might go off on loan myself
Would be a mistake, showed he's capable over the last couple of games of this season
He was ok, but didn’t particularly shine. Don’t think he is the one to rely on when we’re looking for promotion. Probably another loan of lots of games is best.
Albie didn't shine in the last couple of games? You kidding?
7.28 & second to Maatsen against the league leaders & 7.74 and an assist against Lincoln another decent side for this level
Also got an assist on his first corner against Accrington looking bright throughout that performance too.
Both teams nothing to play for, I didn’t say he wasn’t any good, but he wasn’t as amazing as you make out either. He needs to be more consistent and effect game all the time. He doesn’t do that.
You realise he's 21 not 27 right?
For a 21 year old, he played very well in those three and he WILL NOT become more consistent without playing more consistently.
He's proven he's good enough to play at this level, he deserves the opportunity to show if he's good enough for a promotion push, he is certainly creative enough.
I am not agreeing or disagreeing if Albie is good enough/consistent enough or anything else. But why does he deserve it?
No one deserves it, you have to earn it.
We won't get promoted by giving players runs in the team because they "deserve an opportunity", they have to earn it in training and with their performances on the pitch when they do get the chance.
Because each time he's been frozen out he's worked his way back in. He deserves the opportunity based on earning it... Not that hard to get?
And he keeps being "frozen out" for a reason. Absolutely he should be one of our six center mids for next season.
But he doesn't deserve just to be given a place in the team. Neither does anyone else.
Surely if he’s that good he would have already been a regular and then there would be no debate. But he keeps getting dropped for a reason.
He got dropped by Bowyer for one clearance in a game that he had otherwise done very well in.
Anyway this is the Shinnie thread so let's end this discussion and hope Albie shows us why he got his 3 year extension (to June 2023) on the pitch.
Shame about Shinnie, good player. Time for Morgan to step up in that case.
I think Albie might go off on loan myself
Would be a mistake, showed he's capable over the last couple of games of this season
He was ok, but didn’t particularly shine. Don’t think he is the one to rely on when we’re looking for promotion. Probably another loan of lots of games is best.
Albie didn't shine in the last couple of games? You kidding?
7.28 & second to Maatsen against the league leaders & 7.74 and an assist against Lincoln another decent side for this level
Also got an assist on his first corner against Accrington looking bright throughout that performance too.
Both teams nothing to play for, I didn’t say he wasn’t any good, but he wasn’t as amazing as you make out either. He needs to be more consistent and effect game all the time. He doesn’t do that.
You realise he's 21 not 27 right?
For a 21 year old, he played very well in those three and he WILL NOT become more consistent without playing more consistently.
He's proven he's good enough to play at this level, he deserves the opportunity to show if he's good enough for a promotion push, he is certainly creative enough.
I am not agreeing or disagreeing if Albie is good enough/consistent enough or anything else. But why does he deserve it?
No one deserves it, you have to earn it.
We won't get promoted by giving players runs in the team because they "deserve an opportunity", they have to earn it in training and with their performances on the pitch when they do get the chance.
Because each time he's been frozen out he's worked his way back in. He deserves the opportunity based on earning it... Not that hard to get?
And he keeps being "frozen out" for a reason. Absolutely he should be one of our six center mids for next season.
But he doesn't deserve just to be given a place in the team. Neither does anyone else.
Surely if he’s that good he would have already been a regular and then there would be no debate. But he keeps getting dropped for a reason.
He got dropped by Bowyer for one clearance in a game that he had otherwise done very well in.
Anyway this is the Shinnie thread so let's end this discussion and hope Albie shows us why he got his 3 year extension (to June 2023) on the pitch.
We desperately need someone to go through this dross and transfer any actual rumours to a sparkling new bite-sized rumours thread. Sounds like a job for @aliwibble to me.
I honestly think some fans look at Albie with rose tinted glasses as he’s one of our own.
He’s a perfectly adequate player but we talk about him like he’s Tiago.
Look at the stats he’s scored once (?) and doesn’t really assist, create or defend ... he hits a nice Hollywood pass that makes us go ooooh and ticks it over ok.
He should be in our squad but not starting week in week out until there’s some end product.
If we want him to play 40 games then loan him out, don’t weaken our team for his development- he can do that in another team.
I honestly think some fans look at Albie with rose tinted glasses as he’s one of our own.
He’s a perfectly adequate player but we talk about him like he’s Tiago.
Look at the stats he’s scored once (?) and doesn’t really assist, create or defend ... he hits a nice Hollywood pass that makes us go ooooh and ticks it over ok.
He should be in our squad but not starting week in week out until there’s some end product.
If we want him to play 40 games then loan him out, don’t weaken our team for his development- he can do that in another team.
He has 2 assists in the last 3 games.
Indeed his 4 league assists this seasons is the same as JFC in far fewer games
I honestly think some fans look at Albie with rose tinted glasses as he’s one of our own.
He’s a perfectly adequate player but we talk about him like he’s Tiago.
Look at the stats he’s scored once (?) and doesn’t really assist, create or defend ... he hits a nice Hollywood pass that makes us go ooooh and ticks it over ok.
He should be in our squad but not starting week in week out until there’s some end product.
If we want him to play 40 games then loan him out, don’t weaken our team for his development- he can do that in another team.
He has 2 assists in the last 3 games.
Indeed his 4 league assists this seasons is the same as JFC in far fewer games
I think we should be looking at bringing in players better than both of them really. Jfc was good for a lot of the season but went off the boil. Our midfield was so pedestrian, our strikers lived off scraps. We need some skill, energy as it was lacking.
I honestly think some fans look at Albie with rose tinted glasses as he’s one of our own.
He’s a perfectly adequate player but we talk about him like he’s Tiago.
Look at the stats he’s scored once (?) and doesn’t really assist, create or defend ... he hits a nice Hollywood pass that makes us go ooooh and ticks it over ok.
He should be in our squad but not starting week in week out until there’s some end product.
If we want him to play 40 games then loan him out, don’t weaken our team for his development- he can do that in another team.
One could say the same about fans having distorted views of how good a League One player is because we once had a midfield of Cullen, Aribo and Bielik.
You don’t need to be a world beater to play a massive part in a League One promotion team - Danny Holland’s being just one example
I honestly think some fans look at Albie with rose tinted glasses as he’s one of our own.
He’s a perfectly adequate player but we talk about him like he’s Tiago.
Look at the stats he’s scored once (?) and doesn’t really assist, create or defend ... he hits a nice Hollywood pass that makes us go ooooh and ticks it over ok.
He should be in our squad but not starting week in week out until there’s some end product.
If we want him to play 40 games then loan him out, don’t weaken our team for his development- he can do that in another team.
It's not just Albie, it's almost everyone. There is almost a notion of who is deserving and who isn't and its some times completely irrational but it normally sticks. Morgan Fox got pelters. If Chris Solly had turned in the performances Gunter had this year I doubt anyone would want him "sacked off".
For the record I absolutely think Morgan should be a big part of our squad for next season.
I honestly think some fans look at Albie with rose tinted glasses as he’s one of our own.
He’s a perfectly adequate player but we talk about him like he’s Tiago.
Look at the stats he’s scored once (?) and doesn’t really assist, create or defend ... he hits a nice Hollywood pass that makes us go ooooh and ticks it over ok.
He should be in our squad but not starting week in week out until there’s some end product.
If we want him to play 40 games then loan him out, don’t weaken our team for his development- he can do that in another team.
He has 2 assists in the last 3 games.
Indeed his 4 league assists this seasons is the same as JFC in far fewer games
I think we should be looking at bringing in players better than both of them really. Jfc was good for a lot of the season but went off the boil. Our midfield was so pedestrian, our strikers lived off scraps. We need some skill, energy as it was lacking.
This is why most opposition fans had s go at us from the off. We were exactly that at the start of most games. If we conceded early we rarely won. That needs to stop.
Yes, I think Gilbey ended up being our most productive midfielder in the end. It’s ironic because when bowyer was signing loads of midfielders everyone was saying why?, but it ended up being our worst department, once we got the defence sorted a bit.
I honestly think some fans look at Albie with rose tinted glasses as he’s one of our own.
He’s a perfectly adequate player but we talk about him like he’s Tiago.
Look at the stats he’s scored once (?) and doesn’t really assist, create or defend ... he hits a nice Hollywood pass that makes us go ooooh and ticks it over ok.
He should be in our squad but not starting week in week out until there’s some end product.
If we want him to play 40 games then loan him out, don’t weaken our team for his development- he can do that in another team.
It's not just Albie, it's almost everyone. There is almost a notion of who is deserving and who isn't and its some times completely irrational but it normally sticks. Morgan Fox got pelters. If Chris Solly had turned in the performances Gunter had this year I doubt anyone would want him "sacked off".
For the record I absolutely think Morgan should be a big part of our squad for next season.
Squad or starting 11? I have no problem with squad, if he’s happy on the bench. But don’t think it will do him any good. Which is why I say let him out on loan for a bit. Wasn’t it the case he was offered out at the start of the season but had no takers? If so why not?.
Shame about Shinnie, good player. Time for Morgan to step up in that case.
I think Albie might go off on loan myself
Would be a mistake, showed he's capable over the last couple of games of this season
He was ok, but didn’t particularly shine. Don’t think he is the one to rely on when we’re looking for promotion. Probably another loan of lots of games is best.
Albie didn't shine in the last couple of games? You kidding?
7.28 & second to Maatsen against the league leaders & 7.74 and an assist against Lincoln another decent side for this level
Also got an assist on his first corner against Accrington looking bright throughout that performance too.
Both teams nothing to play for, I didn’t say he wasn’t any good, but he wasn’t as amazing as you make out either. He needs to be more consistent and effect game all the time. He doesn’t do that.
You realise he's 21 not 27 right?
For a 21 year old, he played very well in those three and he WILL NOT become more consistent without playing more consistently.
He's proven he's good enough to play at this level, he deserves the opportunity to show if he's good enough for a promotion push, he is certainly creative enough.
I am not agreeing or disagreeing if Albie is good enough/consistent enough or anything else. But why does he deserve it?
No one deserves it, you have to earn it.
We won't get promoted by giving players runs in the team because they "deserve an opportunity", they have to earn it in training and with their performances on the pitch when they do get the chance.
Because each time he's been frozen out he's worked his way back in. He deserves the opportunity based on earning it... Not that hard to get?
And he keeps being "frozen out" for a reason. Absolutely he should be one of our six center mids for next season.
But he doesn't deserve just to be given a place in the team. Neither does anyone else.
Surely if he’s that good he would have already been a regular and then there would be no debate. But he keeps getting dropped for a reason.
He got dropped by Bowyer for one clearance in a game that he had otherwise done very well in.
Anyway this is the Shinnie thread so let's end this discussion and hope Albie shows us why he got his 3 year extension on the pitch.
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He's not influencing the games as much as he should (in your opinion) because he is asked to do defence duties, give him a free reign and I think he'd influence more than he has done.
Liked him at Scunthorpe but that was three years ago.
I think out of the two I would prefer Ferguson.
Problem is we had a manager up until 12 games a go that would throw players under the bus if they didn't perform miracles. Now maybe we can have realistic expectations of not just the young players, but the league 1 players we have and sign.
If Schwartz left I think Billy would be an interesting option at this level .
But he doesn't deserve just to be given a place in the team. Neither does anyone else.
Anyway this is the rumours thread so let's end this discussion and hope Albie shows us why he got his 3 year extension (to June 2023) on the pitch.
He’s a perfectly adequate player but we talk about him like he’s Tiago.
He should be in our squad but not starting week in week out until there’s some end product.
Indeed his 4 league assists this seasons is the same as JFC in far fewer games
For the record I absolutely think Morgan should be a big part of our squad for next season.
I had both threads open!