Skipped about a thousand posts so apologies if it’s emerged more clearly why. But call me Wibbling Walter if you like, but absolutely astounded we’ve got this far into the summer only signing / replacing what we have.
No idea of the reasons, not moaning about it, but absolutely nothing like the summer rebuild I was expecting. We might well end up where we are wanting to be come the end of the window, but I anticipated something far more impacting by this stage.
Hush your mouth ! Don't you know that it is sacrilege to question anything to do with our transfer policy. Just because lots if other teams are signing players doesn't mean its the right thing to do. They will all go belly up due to high fees & wages and we will win the League by being the last man standing.
I'm an accountant, so prudence is my middle name, but it does amuse me when football fans suddenly start extolling the virtues of spending less on transfers and wages than our rivals
I just find it funny that suddenly everyone is agreeing with what I've been saying for weeks.
But if took a mod to say it before anyone would agree.
# teamgolfie.
There’s the difference, you’ve been saying it for weeks. In that time we could have signed several players. There was one rumoured to be done last week. We know not being linked with players in the media doesn’t mean nothing is happening, many were only known about a day or even hours before they were announced.
Most of us have agreed it’s not going to plan or meeting expectations, and some of us believe several signings will eventually come in. You said you expect u23s and the odd loan to fill the gaps. I’m sure we’ll see one or two u23s come through but it won’t be 4/5 in place of signings.
Skipped about a thousand posts so apologies if it’s emerged more clearly why. call me Wibbling Walter if you like, but absolutely astounded we’ve got this far into the summer only signing / replacing what we have.
No idea of the reasons, not moaning about it, but absolutely nothing like the summer rebuild I was expecting. We might well end up where we are wanting to be come the end of the window, but I anticipated something far more impacting by this stage.
Classic Charlton life.
Golfie posts something similar and gets about 2 pages of abuse, negative nancy, why do you bother supporting the club etc. The boss man posts and gets (currently) 29 likes!
Although he's not being saying it 50 times a day for the last 5 weeks, there is a slight difference.
If we are going to be relying on loan players, and I know we are waiting for the crumbs to fall off the premiership tables with regards to that, then they need to be the right quality, we’ve had some really good loans over the years, and some real duffers, the next 4 weeks are really important, from an outside perspective it comes across that it’s not been a good transfer window, and we are struggling to attract players / pay over the odds for good ones.
Out of interest, how many players have left since May (released or out of contract) & how many have we signed. The last bit I'm assuming is 8 (Macgillvrary, Matthews, Pearce, Watson, JFC, Stockley, Dobson & Clare). Just can't remember the exact number that left.
Amos, Deji, Pratley, Shinnie, Oztumer, Maddison, Aneke all released.
Plus the 5 loans.
So 12 out
Mac, Stockley, Famewo, Dobson and Clare in.
So 5 in
If you factor Davison and JFC in, who cancel each other out we are still 7 short on last season. 3 more perms?
Bit of a stretch to count Maddison (4 starts + 4 sub) and Oztumer (2 starts), they were hardly influential last season.
If we're counting them then you could quite easily say we've added Clayden and Ghandour to the squad, who are now 20 and 21 so not really considered youth team any more.
But overall yes we're still well short. I think we need at least 5 more signings and i'm shocked there has been nothing since the arrival of Clare.
It's not a stretch because they were players who left. We were allowed a 25 man squad last season we had a 25 man squad, including those 2. We will probably be aiming for a 25 man squad this season, it will probably include a few of our own "kids" who it didn't include last season. That 7 will probably be 2 perms, 3 loans, 2 promoted kids or similar.
I know that we need more depth but 1 or 2 high quality signings, either loan or perm, will suddenly make the whole picture look much better.
It is a stretch because Maddison (and Williams) were replaced by Millar and DJ in January. Oztumer only played the odd game at the start of the season so could have been replaced by an u23.
I think we will get a couple of loans in before the window shuts and hang on to the coat tails of the top six like Blackpool did last season,January is where our transfer window will be crucial but think that is where our team will be completed and push on to a top six finish
Ah, of course, the infamous January transfer window, where it is universally accepted that you get a bad deal if you are looking to buy any players & recent history has shown that loan players we bring in (Smith,Davis) are next to useless.
And why go half the season before you bring in players (where you only have a month to do so) where you had 4 months in the summer to do just that.
To be fair last January we bought DJ (and Ronnie) and got Millar and Stockley on loan. That was quite good, wasn't it? It was probably the first January in ages when we actually improved.
Sandgaard arrived in the UK last week and explained why he wanted to be in London during a crucial time of the summer: “Of course, there’s still a heavy focus on the recruiting side and then there’s everything else that happens behind the scenes that obviously I’m a big part of on a daily basis. Many things are so much easier when you deal with them face-to-face instead of doing it by phone, Zoom call or by email, so that’s important that I get to spend some time there.”
A few weeks ago I said that NA and TS shouldn't have bigged us up so much at the end of last season . We all know that promotion is the aim.
I was lambasted.
When I said that if a player is good enough then they are old enough. I even added a list of some players through the decades that had come good from early on.
For that I was abused , unfairly, I think.
Football had changed. Players are fitter than they were some time ago.
Here we are now with others contemplating Ghandour et Al as possible contenders. These players are modern young players who are as fit as any other for the times. Given our older players break down regularly over stretching , anyone can get injured.
Washington over stretched at Wimbledon trying for a ball that was going out of play anyway. Result he pulled a muscle trying to slow up I believe. That injury happened to a seasoned player.
We will need more in the squad and the younger ones will be needed no matter what.
Quite why we should rely on loan players of the same age as our own young players is strange because it doesn't help them, just a Premiership club.
Perhaps because they might be better than our players of the same age? That is the theory and another Conor Gallagher or two will do nicely. That said, I believe that Adkins will be prepared to blood our youngsters even if they aren't the finished article - something that his predecessor was reluctant to do hence his reliance on old pros which, whilst giving stability, stifled both pace and inventiveness within the side.
I can't be the only one who's surprised by the fact that Ogilvie and Tucker are still at Gillingham, Boyle is still at Cheltenham, Kirk and Dale still at Crewe, Randall still at Exeter.
There's a number of top quality players at smaller clubs that we should be in for. If we could even sign 2 of the above it'd improve us immensely.
I think we will get a couple of loans in before the window shuts and hang on to the coat tails of the top six like Blackpool did last season,January is where our transfer window will be crucial but think that is where our team will be completed and push on to a top six finish
Ah, of course, the infamous January transfer window, where it is universally accepted that you get a bad deal if you are looking to buy any players & recent history has shown that loan players we bring in (Smith,Davis) are next to useless.
And why go half the season before you bring in players (where you only have a month to do so) where you had 4 months in the summer to do just that.
To be fair last January we bought DJ (and Ronnie) and got Millar and Stockley on loan. That was quite good, wasn't it? It was probably the first January in ages when we actually improved.
Still time but not ideal obviously. Thought we were going to be following the Brentford model a bit more than we have by buying young & talented such as Randell or Kirk! Invest to accumulate! Sandguard bought us in a pandemic, would have known the financial situation & the possible forecasts & still went boasting about blowing the league away. Grateful to the man for what he has done for us so far but now we have to move on! I feel the strongest eleven can hold their own but come on we need to get some quality in now rather than later!
Sandgaard arrived in the UK last week and explained why he wanted to be in London during a crucial time of the summer: “Of course, there’s still a heavy focus on the recruiting side and then there’s everything else that happens behind the scenes that obviously I’m a big part of on a daily basis. Many things are so much easier when you deal with them face-to-face instead of doing it by phone, Zoom call or by email, so that’s important that I get to spend some time there.”
” heavy focus on recruitment “ there you go for people who are panicking
I can't be the only one who's surprised by the fact that Ogilvie and Tucker are still at Gillingham, Boyle is still at Cheltenham, Kirk and Dale still at Crewe, Randall still at Exeter.
There's a number of top quality players at smaller clubs that we should be in for. If we could even sign 2 of the above it'd improve us immensely.
At the moment Oglivie only wants to play centre back and wants championship football just think the others clubs are asking to much money .. Kirk I wonder if it’s more to do with not dealing with his agent after what happened in Jan
I can't be the only one who's surprised by the fact that Ogilvie and Tucker are still at Gillingham, Boyle is still at Cheltenham, Kirk and Dale still at Crewe, Randall still at Exeter.
There's a number of top quality players at smaller clubs that we should be in for. If we could even sign 2 of the above it'd improve us immensely.
How do you know we're not? As people keep saying (over and over again), there's roughly 5 weeks left until the window shuts. The agents, players and clubs will ask for more earlier in the window. It's a cat and mouse situation. Not digging you out, but I wish people would stop making the same points over and over. People will say we should 'do an Ipswich' but that's risky (look at Sunderland's recent history). I imagine nobody (myself included) had even heard of Will Boyle until 3 weeks ago, we're probably shopping in a different market
I can't be the only one who's surprised by the fact that Ogilvie and Tucker are still at Gillingham, Boyle is still at Cheltenham, Kirk and Dale still at Crewe, Randall still at Exeter.
There's a number of top quality players at smaller clubs that we should be in for. If we could even sign 2 of the above it'd improve us immensely.
I said before it wouldn't surprise me if it's all a part of the Thomas Sandgaard show, I can imagine him relishing at the idea of a few transfer deadline day signings to push the club on social media and get some praise.
If I was a betting man I reckon we will grab at least two players on frees, about 3 loans and will spend a bit of whack on a marquee signing on the very last day to make it dramatic. I may be completely wrong but I'm just making a call based on the type of character I think he is
Eisa and Parrott both played in League 1 last season. Combined record 4 in 45. Stockley got double the goals in half the games, how comes MK Don's are now going to score bundles?
Because some just see quantities of signings and think oh they’re going to have a good season, regardless of who they sign.
I think we will get a couple of loans in before the window shuts and hang on to the coat tails of the top six like Blackpool did last season,January is where our transfer window will be crucial but think that is where our team will be completed and push on to a top six finish
So...the Roland model
"Have a strong first 11 and no depth in quality, if around the playoffs in January, reinvest and push on"
It's a fair and sensible way to go about it, but, the loans we bring in for depth have to have some quality about them now, and, to not get bent double on fees when we go shopping in Jan.
We should be limiting the amount of transfer activity in Jan given its infamy for over paying etc. At least now we have Gallen who's had a decent record on players in so far, hoping for a couple of bielik/ Cullen's rather than Smith Smith and Levitt's
I can't be the only one who's surprised by the fact that Ogilvie and Tucker are still at Gillingham, Boyle is still at Cheltenham, Kirk and Dale still at Crewe, Randall still at Exeter.
There's a number of top quality players at smaller clubs that we should be in for. If we could even sign 2 of the above it'd improve us immensely.
But they not gone anywhere else either …
I get the feeling those clubs are holding out for a fee, and are hoping Ipswich and Wigan’s jacuzzi of cash will wash upon them.
It is easy for me as I have faith in SG. He will recruit the players we need. Really looking forward to the start of the season now.
Agree with this 100%. Hes brought in some really good players at times with nothing at all to work with.
He has got some backing now & is it as much as the other teams? Maybe not but I have every confidence that we will be up there by the end of the season.
Roll on August 7th! First season ticket ive ever bought and I am gonna enjoy it!
So what is the reason for waiting? We know Nigel wanted the squad in place for pre season games and whatever way you cut it, we need a number of players. Is it that Thomas doesn’t want to pay agent fees, that players are waiting to receive the final month’s salary from a previous contract and/or better loan players become available at the end of the transfer window? Or is it a reluctance to pay transfer fees? (Yes I know we spent money on Clare and Stockley).
This isn’t a dig before the masses pile on with yet more ‘everything will be fine, stop moaning!’. Just interested.
Skipped about a thousand posts so apologies if it’s emerged more clearly why. But call me Wibbling Walter if you like, but absolutely astounded we’ve got this far into the summer only signing / replacing what we have.
No idea of the reasons, not moaning about it, but absolutely nothing like the summer rebuild I was expecting. We might well end up where we are wanting to be come the end of the window, but I anticipated something far more impacting by this stage.
Hush your mouth ! Don't you know that it is sacrilege to question anything to do with our transfer policy. Just because lots if other teams are signing players doesn't mean its the right thing to do. They will all go belly up due to high fees & wages and we will win the League by being the last man standing.
I'm an accountant, so prudence is my middle name, but it does amuse me when football fans suddenly start extolling the virtues of spending less on transfers and wages than our rivals
I just find it funny that suddenly everyone is agreeing with what I've been saying for weeks.
But if took a mod to say it before anyone would agree.
# teamgolfie.
Trust me, it ain’t everyone.
Can see a perm coming in over the next week then we will start making a move in the loan market. 4 good loans, which we are more than capable of doing with our reputation of bringing young players on, and we are looking good.
So what is the reason for waiting? We know Nigel wanted the squad in place for pre season games. Is it that Thomas doesn’t want to pay agent fees, that players are waiting to receive the final month’s salary from a previous contract and/or better loan players become available at the end of the transfer window? Or is it a reluctance to pay transfer fees? (Yes I know we spent money on Clare).
This isn’t a dig before the masses pile on with yet more ‘everything will be fine, stop moaning!’. Just interested.
Honestly think that Ipswich and Wigan’s spending has made clubs resist a sensible bid in the hope that people will go chasing that level of spending on fees.
suspect they’ll be some realism in August, and clubs will take sensible bids. If your for example Crewe I think they’ll sell the two players mentioned, and I think we’ll be in for them at the right price
I can't be the only one who's surprised by the fact that Ogilvie and Tucker are still at Gillingham, Boyle is still at Cheltenham, Kirk and Dale still at Crewe, Randall still at Exeter.
There's a number of top quality players at smaller clubs that we should be in for. If we could even sign 2 of the above it'd improve us immensely.
But they not gone anywhere else either …
I get the feeling those clubs are holding out for a fee, and are hoping Ipswich and Wigan’s jacuzzi of cash will wash upon them.
Up until the comma your 100% right. That's exactly what every club is doing.
How much, roughly, have Ipswich and Wigan spent on transfer fees? Say compared to us?
Wyke and Piggot both "cost" nothing in transfer fees. If we paid a fee of about 400k for Stockley that equates to about about 2.5k a week over 3 years. Which would put Stockley in the same ball park in terms of cost.
There is no Jacuzzi of cash, Ipswich have funded it buy getting rid of their whole 1st team squad from last season and selling two of their best young players. Wigan had no wage bill to start with and have generally signed free agents on comparative wages to what we already had.
I said before it wouldn't surprise me if it's all a part of the Thomas Sandgaard show, I can imagine him relishing at the idea of a few transfer deadline day signings to push the club on social media and get some praise.
If I was a betting man I reckon we will grab at least two players on frees, about 3 loans and will spend a bit of whack on a marquee signing on the very last day to make it dramatic. I may be completely wrong but I'm just making a call based on the type of character I think he is
So, due to the owner being an ******** ***** **** (fill in your own blanks) we start the season under staffed just so he can have his 5 mins of glory on deadline day.
Sandgaard arrived in the UK last week and explained why he wanted to be in London during a crucial time of the summer: “Of course, there’s still a heavy focus on the recruiting side and then there’s everything else that happens behind the scenes that obviously I’m a big part of on a daily basis. Many things are so much easier when you deal with them face-to-face instead of doing it by phone, Zoom call or by email, so that’s important that I get to spend some time there.”
My sources tell me Sandgaard has something very special in store for us next week. Keep your eyes (and ears) peeled! 😉
(Spoiler alert - he is gonna play a sick guitar solo while Floyd and Harvey form a moshpit in the centre circle).
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Most of us have agreed it’s not going to plan or meeting expectations, and some of us believe several signings will eventually come in. You said you expect u23s and the odd loan to fill the gaps. I’m sure we’ll see one or two u23s come through but it won’t be 4/5 in place of signings.
There's a number of top quality players at smaller clubs that we should be in for. If we could even sign 2 of the above it'd improve us immensely.
” heavy focus on recruitment “ there you go for people who are panicking
Really looking forward to the start of the season now.
If I was a betting man I reckon we will grab at least two players on frees, about 3 loans and will spend a bit of whack on a marquee signing on the very last day to make it dramatic. I may be completely wrong but I'm just making a call based on the type of character I think he is
So...the Roland model
"Have a strong first 11 and no depth in quality, if around the playoffs in January, reinvest and push on"
It's a fair and sensible way to go about it, but, the loans we bring in for depth have to have some quality about them now, and, to not get bent double on fees when we go shopping in Jan.
We should be limiting the amount of transfer activity in Jan given its infamy for over paying etc. At least now we have Gallen who's had a decent record on players in so far, hoping for a couple of bielik/ Cullen's rather than Smith Smith and Levitt's
Agree with this 100%. Hes brought in some really good players at times with nothing at all to work with.
He has got some backing now & is it as much as the other teams? Maybe not but I have every confidence that we will be up there by the end of the season.
Roll on August 7th! First season ticket ive ever bought and I am gonna enjoy it!
We know Nigel wanted the squad in place for pre season games and whatever way you cut it, we need a number of players.
Is it that Thomas doesn’t want to pay agent fees, that players are waiting to receive the final month’s salary from a previous contract and/or better loan players become available at the end of the transfer window?
Or is it a reluctance to pay transfer fees? (Yes I know we spent money on Clare and Stockley).
Can see a perm coming in over the next week then we will start making a move in the loan market. 4 good loans, which we are more than capable of doing with our reputation of bringing young players on, and we are looking good.
suspect they’ll be some realism in August, and clubs will take sensible bids. If your for example Crewe I think they’ll sell the two players mentioned, and I think we’ll be in for them at the right price
How much, roughly, have Ipswich and Wigan spent on transfer fees? Say compared to us?
Wyke and Piggot both "cost" nothing in transfer fees. If we paid a fee of about 400k for Stockley that equates to about about 2.5k a week over 3 years. Which would put Stockley in the same ball park in terms of cost.
There is no Jacuzzi of cash, Ipswich have funded it buy getting rid of their whole 1st team squad from last season and selling two of their best young players. Wigan had no wage bill to start with and have generally signed free agents on comparative wages to what we already had.
Weird way of looking at it.
(Spoiler alert - he is gonna play a sick guitar solo while Floyd and Harvey form a moshpit in the centre circle).