There was one I shared from Twitter but it was then pointed out where it likely came from which put doubts on how reliable it was.
As you say it might be complete nonsense, which is why I questioned why you said it was clear he hasn’t been given the budget he was promised. The lack of activity isn’t proof of that, it might simply be clubs, players and agents asking for a lot more than we want to pay. It would explain why so many other clubs also need several more signings.
This side of the start of the season clubs and agents will be asking silly money for players because they know there will be mugs that will pay it. Come Saturday the window starts counting down and those clubs that desperately need to bring transfer fee money in or get a player off their payroll to survive, ie most clubs outside the PL, will begin to be more and more realistic in what they can get.
Hope so. Some clubs may have a few players they could sell but might only need to sell one. We probably need a long list of options per position to work through as we’ll likely be competing with several clubs for the same players.
Some clubs have taken out the monitored loans from the EPL. They either have to operate under a soft embargo or pay them back.
If for example Crewe took one (I have no idea if they did or didn't) they would ideally only sell 1 or 2 of their assets and pay it back and will price their assets accordingly.
If they haven't generated the funds as 1st September edges nearer they may think they now have to sell 3 or even four to generate it and their asking price will dramatically drop.
We know both Wycombe and Pompey have take it or leave offers of about 200k on the table for players who's clubs want a million at the moment.
I don't have any inside knowledge of what's going on behind the scenes but if we go into the season with Leon Clarke 2.0 as our only senior striker I won't be impressed.
Ipswich all the rage on here of late and they have had what looks like a good window, but they’re starting either Bonne and Pigott up top today, are we really envious of that, really?!
They have Edmundson, Chaplin and Fraser not in the squad.
Ipswich have Pigott, Bonne, Chaplin, Jackson and Norwood as potential strikers. I'm sure they'll be fine.
Good for them five strikers none of which id swap for Stockers 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Maybe not but I would take any of them instead of Davison frankly.
Based on? I’ve seen him play twice when he was 19, you? Davison is an untried and untested improving kid that our new manager deemed too good to loan out, you might be right, but you might wrong.
Based on the fact he struggled in League Two and even below?
Where's all this Davison ".... struggled in League Two and even below" come from?
He played as the target man at Woking, laying off and bringing team mates into play. Scored 3 goals in 11 matches. It was a short loan, only 11 or 12 weeks.
Promotion chasing League Two Forest Green Rovers were sufficiently impressed to bring Davison in as cover for their big main striker playing the target man role, in good form, scoring goals and never got injured. Rather than be restricted in appearances, Davison adapted to a different role.
In Davison's own words: “At Woking I was the target man, I’d be winning headers and holding the ball up from long balls. At Forest Green I’m asked to spin channels and play off our big striker. The experiences I’ve had this season have been great, helping me to learn different sides of the game. At Charlton I was always known for my work rate so hopefully I’m learning more than just that.”
It’ll be the lack of goals @Oggy Red, it’s not an impressive record if we’re going to use him for a promotion challenge in a higher division is it?
I need to be convinced about the rest of his game as well as his goalscoring, though I won’t write him off, he’s young enough to make big improvements in his game.
Thus is still a "Covid" season. With so many games in League 1 and such a thin squad, we have no chance of promotion as it stands.
The other teams in the same position as us will find the same thing. That's why we need a minimum of 6-8 signings, including loans in, very quickly.
If it’s a covid season and other teams are in the same boat, why have we got no chance of promotion
Because Ipswich and Wigan are not in the same boat and 4 teams that didn't get promoted finished above us, plus the 3 teams that came down, you should argue probably had better squads than ours, so as it stands, with losing Chuks, JFC being injured, then we have a lot of ground to catch up!
I don't have any inside knowledge of what's going on behind the scenes but if we go into the season with Leon Clarke 2.0 as our only senior striker I won't be impressed.
A bit disingenuous I feel. Stockley is better that Leon Clarke. He might not be my choice of "frontman" but he showed last season he's good with his head. Only problem is that we aren't great with crossing & have no plan B if hitting it to the big man doesn't work. I'd much prefer a smaller natural striker like BWP or Bent. We dont seem to have had one of those for years. Nearest one was probably Grant.
It’ll be the lack of goals @Oggy Red, it’s not an impressive record if we’re going to use him for a promotion challenge in a higher division is it?
I need to be convinced about the rest of his game as well as his goalscoring, though I won’t write him off, he’s young enough to make big improvements in his game.
Fair enough, @Scoham ....... forwards are judged by many only on their goals scored. But as you suggest, these days there's more to a striker's role, creating moves and openings for others to score goals also.
And sometimes that role is from the bench, as we saw with Chuks last season. I'm not really comparing Davison to Chuks, but Davison works hard, physical and can be a handful. If that results in team mates scoring goals then he's made a major contribution.
Most of our judgements on Davison are based on watching the raw and sometimes naive 19 year old Davison thrust into Championship matches long before he would have been ready, 2 years go. I feel Davison himself was trying to say, that his loan spells last season at 2 different clubs playing 2 different roles had expanded his all round game, awareness and development.
We'll be able to judge for ourselves, of course ...... but already he seems to have sufficiently impressed Adkins.
Thus is still a "Covid" season. With so many games in League 1 and such a thin squad, we have no chance of promotion as it stands.
The other teams in the same position as us will find the same thing. That's why we need a minimum of 6-8 signings, including loans in, very quickly.
If it’s a covid season and other teams are in the same boat, why have we got no chance of promotion
Because Ipswich and Wigan are not in the same boat and 4 teams that didn't get promoted finished above us, plus the 3 teams that came down, you should argue probably had better squads than ours, so as it stands, with losing Chuks, JFC being injured, then we have a lot of ground to catch up!
So we lose 15 goal Chuks and its a disaster but Sunderland lose 26 goal Charlie Wyke and they will still guaranteed to finish above us? Lincoln have already lost their best player and will possibly lose some more.
Wycombe and Rotherham haven't done much in the market and Wednesday are still a mess and going to struggle to put a team out next Saturday.
We are still sort but with probably the exception of Oxford so is everyone else.
Stockley will be very effective in winning headers, holding the ball up and bringing other players into the attack. I think having players coming from deeper into the box is Adkins preferred style of play. The problem won’t be Stockley. At present we don’t have those other players coming from deeper that have enough goals in them. I think Gilbey might when he gets back fit. We need another Left wide player and in my opinion an attacking central midfielder to pull the strings.
Ipswich all the rage on here of late and they have had what looks like a good window, but they’re starting either Bonne and Pigott up top today, are we really envious of that, really?!
They have Edmundson, Chaplin and Fraser not in the squad.
Ipswich have Pigott, Bonne, Chaplin, Jackson and Norwood as potential strikers. I'm sure they'll be fine.
Good for them five strikers none of which id swap for Stockers 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Maybe not but I would take any of them instead of Davison frankly.
Based on? I’ve seen him play twice when he was 19, you? Davison is an untried and untested improving kid that our new manager deemed too good to loan out, you might be right, but you might wrong.
If Davison is the answer, you’re asking the wrong question
What was my answer? I just spoke about Adkins opinion?
If you offered the chance for Adkins to swap Davison for one of Ipswich's strikers, you think Adkins would say 'No thanks, Davison is better than all of them.'?
This time 3 years ago, Karlan Grant wasn't rated by many people on CL. Vetokele got injured pre-season and Karlan grabbed his chance.
Perhaps with Davison, despite the misgivings of many based on watching a raw young lad 2 years ago, maybe we should just wait and see how things unfold?
Remember also, Adkins has a reputation for providing a pathway for young players to prove themselves. He'll only do that if he has confidence in the player.
Ipswich all the rage on here of late and they have had what looks like a good window, but they’re starting either Bonne and Pigott up top today, are we really envious of that, really?!
They have Edmundson, Chaplin and Fraser not in the squad.
Ipswich have Pigott, Bonne, Chaplin, Jackson and Norwood as potential strikers. I'm sure they'll be fine.
Good for them five strikers none of which id swap for Stockers 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Maybe not but I would take any of them instead of Davison frankly.
Based on? I’ve seen him play twice when he was 19, you? Davison is an untried and untested improving kid that our new manager deemed too good to loan out, you might be right, but you might wrong.
If Davison is the answer, you’re asking the wrong question
What was my answer? I just spoke about Adkins opinion?
If you offered the chance for Adkins to swap Davison for one of Ipswich's strikers, you think Adkins would say 'No thanks, Davison is better than all of them.'?
This time 3 years ago, Karlan Grant wasn't rated by many people on CL. Vetokele got injured pre-season and Karlan grabbed his chance.
Perhaps with Davison, despite the misgivings of many based on watching a raw young lad 2 years ago, maybe we should just wait and see how things unfold?
Remember also, Adkins has a reputation for providing a pathway for young players to prove themselves. He'll only do that if he has confidence in the player.
Grant at least showed something on loan.
Davison has failed to make it into a team in a lower division.
Plenty of people on here said if we kept Inniss and Famewo in the defence we would piss this league, well they are…. An we won’t be. Still hanging on just a little hope …. But, playoffs looking height of our ambition.
Playoffs is probably the height of any teams ambitions. Anything more would be arrogant in the extreme. I don’t think any team in league one will stroll it. Not even Ipswich.
I believe at this stage of pre-season most promotion aspiring managers will say realistically: We're aiming for top 6 and to be in and around the promotion places in the final run in".
Thus is still a "Covid" season. With so many games in League 1 and such a thin squad, we have no chance of promotion as it stands.
The other teams in the same position as us will find the same thing. That's why we need a minimum of 6-8 signings, including loans in, very quickly.
If it’s a covid season and other teams are in the same boat, why have we got no chance of promotion
Because Ipswich and Wigan are not in the same boat and 4 teams that didn't get promoted finished above us, plus the 3 teams that came down, you should argue probably had better squads than ours, so as it stands, with losing Chuks, JFC being injured, then we have a lot of ground to catch up!
So we lose 15 goal Chuks and its a disaster but Sunderland lose 26 goal Charlie Wyke and they will still guaranteed to finish above us? Lincoln have already lost their best player and will possibly lose some more.
Wycombe and Rotherham haven't done much in the market and Wednesday are still a mess and going to struggle to put a team out next Saturday.
We are still sort but with probably the exception of Oxford so is everyone else.
I've named 9 teams that could, in theory finish above us, you've just told me we are going to finish above them all. That's ok then. With a weaker team than last year, our top goalscorer gone, our most influential midfielder injured and no loans in place, we're going to piss this league.
I'd assume Barker or someone from the academy would fill in for him.
If it is someone from the academy it certainly won't be Barker.
Pearce, Gunter, Elewere, Dobson, Ness and probably Bakrin or more likely to play at RCB than Barker.
It’s Elewere’s spot at the moment but he’s only 17, it’s a lot of pressure to put on him especially if Inniss picks up a long term injury.
We also need to get him signed up on a long term pro contract (unless he already is and the club haven’t announced it).
Adkins talked about not blocking pathways for youngsters, but also bringing in some experience. I could see an older CB coming in on a 1 or 2 year deal, or maybe a season loan, that way Elewere can be eased in gently and given a break when needed.
Thus is still a "Covid" season. With so many games in League 1 and such a thin squad, we have no chance of promotion as it stands.
The other teams in the same position as us will find the same thing. That's why we need a minimum of 6-8 signings, including loans in, very quickly.
If it’s a covid season and other teams are in the same boat, why have we got no chance of promotion
Because Ipswich and Wigan are not in the same boat and 4 teams that didn't get promoted finished above us, plus the 3 teams that came down, you should argue probably had better squads than ours, so as it stands, with losing Chuks, JFC being injured, then we have a lot of ground to catch up!
So we lose 15 goal Chuks and its a disaster but Sunderland lose 26 goal Charlie Wyke and they will still guaranteed to finish above us? Lincoln have already lost their best player and will possibly lose some more.
Wycombe and Rotherham haven't done much in the market and Wednesday are still a mess and going to struggle to put a team out next Saturday.
We are still sort but with probably the exception of Oxford so is everyone else.
I've named 9 teams that could, in theory finish above us, you've just told me we are going to finish above them all. That's ok then. With a weaker team than last year, our top goalscorer gone, our most influential midfielder injured and no loans in place, we're going to piss this league.
Sorry for being slightly concerned.
I haven't said we are going to finish above them. We are short, we know we are short, Thomas, Gallen and Adkins have said we are short.
Portsmouth are short, their manager has said so, Sunderland are short their manager has said so, Rotherham are short, their manager has said so. I could go on.
Every one bar Oxford and Morecambe are well short on the number of players they had last season, even Wigan and Ipswich.
Saying you think we are short isn't some sort of unique insightful take. Stevie Wonder could see it. So is everyone else. We are in the same situation as almost everyone else.
The window is open for another month and due to Covid, Brexit, the Euros and multiple other reasons there is more still to happen than normal. Even in "normal" times a lot of business happens late.
Ipswich all the rage on here of late and they have had what looks like a good window, but they’re starting either Bonne and Pigott up top today, are we really envious of that, really?!
They have Edmundson, Chaplin and Fraser not in the squad.
Ipswich have Pigott, Bonne, Chaplin, Jackson and Norwood as potential strikers. I'm sure they'll be fine.
Good for them five strikers none of which id swap for Stockers 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Maybe not but I would take any of them instead of Davison frankly.
Based on? I’ve seen him play twice when he was 19, you? Davison is an untried and untested improving kid that our new manager deemed too good to loan out, you might be right, but you might wrong.
If Davison is the answer, you’re asking the wrong question
What was my answer? I just spoke about Adkins opinion?
If you offered the chance for Adkins to swap Davison for one of Ipswich's strikers, you think Adkins would say 'No thanks, Davison is better than all of them.'?
This time 3 years ago, Karlan Grant wasn't rated by many people on CL. Vetokele got injured pre-season and Karlan grabbed his chance.
Perhaps with Davison, despite the misgivings of many based on watching a raw young lad 2 years ago, maybe we should just wait and see how things unfold?
Remember also, Adkins has a reputation for providing a pathway for young players to prove themselves. He'll only do that if he has confidence in the player.
Chalk and cheese.
Karlan was one of the highest rated academy products we’d had in years. At 19 he’d just scored 9 goals in 15 league two games, plenty of fans were exited to see him.
We got Josh Davison because Peterborough didn’t think he was good enough for their u23’s. At 21 he managed 3 goals in 20 league two games
Ipswich all the rage on here of late and they have had what looks like a good window, but they’re starting either Bonne and Pigott up top today, are we really envious of that, really?!
They have Edmundson, Chaplin and Fraser not in the squad.
Ipswich have Pigott, Bonne, Chaplin, Jackson and Norwood as potential strikers. I'm sure they'll be fine.
Good for them five strikers none of which id swap for Stockers 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Maybe not but I would take any of them instead of Davison frankly.
Based on? I’ve seen him play twice when he was 19, you? Davison is an untried and untested improving kid that our new manager deemed too good to loan out, you might be right, but you might wrong.
If Davison is the answer, you’re asking the wrong question
What was my answer? I just spoke about Adkins opinion?
If you offered the chance for Adkins to swap Davison for one of Ipswich's strikers, you think Adkins would say 'No thanks, Davison is better than all of them.'?
This time 3 years ago, Karlan Grant wasn't rated by many people on CL. Vetokele got injured pre-season and Karlan grabbed his chance.
Perhaps with Davison, despite the misgivings of many based on watching a raw young lad 2 years ago, maybe we should just wait and see how things unfold?
Remember also, Adkins has a reputation for providing a pathway for young players to prove themselves. He'll only do that if he has confidence in the player.
Grant at least showed something on loan.
Davison has failed to make it into a team in a lower division.
We've covered this point already.
Promotion chasing Forest Green brought Davison in as cover for their big target man, who was playing well, scoring goals and didn't get injured.
Unless that striker lost form or was missing through injury, why would a less experienced player replace him?
Davison was asked to adapt his game to play a different role, one he'd no previous experience of playing. He nevertheless made 20 League Two appearances, both starts and from the bench, scoring 3 goals and a number of assists.
Is that what you mean by saying, "Davison has failed to make it into a team in a lower division" ..... ?
It seems to me he was a useful and valued member of their squad.
Ipswich all the rage on here of late and they have had what looks like a good window, but they’re starting either Bonne and Pigott up top today, are we really envious of that, really?!
They have Edmundson, Chaplin and Fraser not in the squad.
Ipswich have Pigott, Bonne, Chaplin, Jackson and Norwood as potential strikers. I'm sure they'll be fine.
Good for them five strikers none of which id swap for Stockers 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Maybe not but I would take any of them instead of Davison frankly.
Based on? I’ve seen him play twice when he was 19, you? Davison is an untried and untested improving kid that our new manager deemed too good to loan out, you might be right, but you might wrong.
If Davison is the answer, you’re asking the wrong question
What was my answer? I just spoke about Adkins opinion?
If you offered the chance for Adkins to swap Davison for one of Ipswich's strikers, you think Adkins would say 'No thanks, Davison is better than all of them.'?
This time 3 years ago, Karlan Grant wasn't rated by many people on CL. Vetokele got injured pre-season and Karlan grabbed his chance.
Perhaps with Davison, despite the misgivings of many based on watching a raw young lad 2 years ago, maybe we should just wait and see how things unfold?
Remember also, Adkins has a reputation for providing a pathway for young players to prove themselves. He'll only do that if he has confidence in the player.
Grant at least showed something on loan.
Davison has failed to make it into a team in a lower division.
We've covered this point already.
Promotion chasing Forest Green brought Davison in as cover for their big target man, who was playing well, scoring goals and didn't get injured.
Unless that striker lost form or was missing through injury, why would a less experienced player replace him?
Davison was asked to adapt his game to play a different role, one he'd no previous experience of playing. He nevertheless made 20 League Two appearances, both starts and from the bench, scoring 3 goals and a number of assists.
Is that what you mean by saying, "Davison has failed to make it into a team in a lower division" ..... ?
It seems to me he was a useful and valued member of their squad.
And he played both roles he is likely to be used with us this season both with and instead of Stockley......
NA does not seem to be his usual smiley self in the recent two interviews nor any morning tweets?
He’s recently recovered from Covid and wouldn’t have been going for walks while isolating.
So is the cheery persona just an act. Surely the whole point of his daily "messages" was that life is good and we "go again" and that every day is a brand new day. Practice what you preach I say.....
(and funny because I posted something similar a few weeks ago saying imo it was all a bit tedious and false. I got a lot of peters for it but I stand by it even more now).
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If for example Crewe took one (I have no idea if they did or didn't) they would ideally only sell 1 or 2 of their assets and pay it back and will price their assets accordingly.
If they haven't generated the funds as 1st September edges nearer they may think they now have to sell 3 or even four to generate it and their asking price will dramatically drop.
We know both Wycombe and Pompey have take it or leave offers of about 200k on the table for players who's clubs want a million at the moment.
He played as the target man at Woking, laying off and bringing team mates into play. Scored 3 goals in 11 matches.
It was a short loan, only 11 or 12 weeks.
Promotion chasing League Two Forest Green Rovers were sufficiently impressed to bring Davison in as cover for their big main striker playing the target man role, in good form, scoring goals and never got injured. Rather than be restricted in appearances, Davison adapted to a different role.
In Davison's own words: “At Woking I was the target man, I’d be winning headers and holding the ball up from long balls. At Forest Green I’m asked to spin channels and play off our big striker. The experiences I’ve had this season have been great, helping me to learn different sides of the game. At Charlton I was always known for my work rate so hopefully I’m learning more than just that.”
https://www.valleygold.org.uk/2021/03/22/life-on-loan-josh-davison-on-his-loan-spells-at-woking-and-forest-green-rovers/
I need to be convinced about the rest of his game as well as his goalscoring, though I won’t write him off, he’s young enough to make big improvements in his game.
And sometimes that role is from the bench, as we saw with Chuks last season.
I'm not really comparing Davison to Chuks, but Davison works hard, physical and can be a handful. If that results in team mates scoring goals then he's made a major contribution.
Most of our judgements on Davison are based on watching the raw and sometimes naive 19 year old Davison thrust into Championship matches long before he would have been ready, 2 years go. I feel Davison himself was trying to say, that his loan spells last season at 2 different clubs playing 2 different roles had expanded his all round game, awareness and development.
We'll be able to judge for ourselves, of course ...... but already he seems to have sufficiently impressed Adkins.
Wycombe and Rotherham haven't done much in the market and Wednesday are still a mess and going to struggle to put a team out next Saturday.
We are still sort but with probably the exception of Oxford so is everyone else.
Really think you are over analysing things.
Maybe it's all true about NA being unhappy about the situation but his demeanor in interviews hasn't changed IMHO.
Maatsen, Aneke, Millar.
Vetokele got injured pre-season and Karlan grabbed his chance.
Perhaps with Davison, despite the misgivings of many based on watching a raw young lad 2 years ago, maybe we should just wait and see how things unfold?
Remember also, Adkins has a reputation for providing a pathway for young players to prove themselves.
He'll only do that if he has confidence in the player.
Davison has failed to make it into a team in a lower division.
Something like that.
Sorry for being slightly concerned.
Pearce, Gunter, Elewere, Dobson, Ness and probably Bakrin are more likely to play at RCB than Barker.
Adkins talked about not blocking pathways for youngsters, but also bringing in some experience. I could see an older CB coming in on a 1 or 2 year deal, or maybe a season loan, that way Elewere can be eased in gently and given a break when needed.
Portsmouth are short, their manager has said so, Sunderland are short their manager has said so, Rotherham are short, their manager has said so. I could go on.
Every one bar Oxford and Morecambe are well short on the number of players they had last season, even Wigan and Ipswich.
Saying you think we are short isn't some sort of unique insightful take. Stevie Wonder could see it. So is everyone else. We are in the same situation as almost everyone else.
The window is open for another month and due to Covid, Brexit, the Euros and multiple other reasons there is more still to happen than normal. Even in "normal" times a lot of business happens late.
Promotion chasing Forest Green brought Davison in as cover for their big target man, who was playing well, scoring goals and didn't get injured.
Unless that striker lost form or was missing through injury, why would a less experienced player replace him?
Davison was asked to adapt his game to play a different role, one he'd no previous experience of playing.
He nevertheless made 20 League Two appearances, both starts and from the bench, scoring 3 goals and a number of assists.
Is that what you mean by saying, "Davison has failed to make it into a team in a lower division" ..... ?
It seems to me he was a useful and valued member of their squad.
(and funny because I posted something similar a few weeks ago saying imo it was all a bit tedious and false. I got a lot of peters for it but I stand by it even more now).