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At the start of the window no one would have thought we'd only have Stockley and Davison as our attacking options.Oggy Red said:
Mate, I don't know why you've got such a downer on Josh Davison.SELR_addicks said:
So a player with these stats is going to be our plan B for the coming season?Oggy Red said:
We've covered this point already.SELR_addicks said:
Grant at least showed something on loan.Oggy Red said:
This time 3 years ago, Karlan Grant wasn't rated by many people on CL.SELR_addicks said:
If you offered the chance for Adkins to swap Davison for one of Ipswich's strikers, you think Adkins would say 'No thanks, Davison is better than all of them.'?BR7_addick said:
What was my answer? I just spoke about Adkins opinion?cafcsinger said:
If Davison is the answer, you’re asking the wrong questionBR7_addick said:
Based on? I’ve seen him play twice when he was 19, you? Davison is an untried and untested improving kid that our new manager deemed too good to loan out, you might be right, but you might wrong.thenewbie said:
Maybe not but I would take any of them instead of Davison frankly.BR7_addick said:
Good for them five strikers none of which id swap for Stockers 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻SELR_addicks said:
They have Edmundson, Chaplin and Fraser not in the squad.BR7_addick said:
One. Week. Before. Seasons. Starts. Teams. Usually. Start. Their. Best. XISELR_addicks said:
It. Is. A. Friendly.BR7_addick said:Ipswich all the rage on here of late and they have had what looks like a good window, but they’re starting either Bonne and Pigott up top today, are we really envious of that, really?!
Ipswich have Pigott, Bonne, Chaplin, Jackson and Norwood as potential strikers. I'm sure they'll be fine.
Vetokele got injured pre-season and Karlan grabbed his chance.
Perhaps with Davison, despite the misgivings of many based on watching a raw young lad 2 years ago, maybe we should just wait and see how things unfold?
Remember also, Adkins has a reputation for providing a pathway for young players to prove themselves.
He'll only do that if he has confidence in the player.
Davison has failed to make it into a team in a lower division.
Promotion chasing Forest Green brought Davison in as cover for their big target man, who was playing well, scoring goals and didn't get injured.
Unless that striker lost form or was missing through injury, why would a less experienced player replace him?
Davison was asked to adapt his game to play a different role, one he'd no previous experience of playing.
He nevertheless made 20 League Two appearances, both starts and from the bench, scoring 3 goals and a number of assists.
Is that what you mean by saying, "Davison has failed to make it into a team in a lower division" ..... ?
It seems to me he was a useful and valued member of their squad.
If he was a youth squad player that we were going to give the odd game in the EFL trophy I wouldn't mind at all. It's the fact he is our second choice striker for the coming season.
If we are looking at chasing promotion, relying on a player that has only ever reliably scored goals in the Isthmian League isn't my idea of a safe bet.
He's a young player making his way, works hard, spot on attitude and hungry to succeed.
His manager rates him.
Give him a chance.
The rewriting of Davison to make him seem like he's a world beater is comical. He's a last resort clearly because we have no other attacking options in the squad.
Adkins praising him because Davison and Stockley is literally all he has should be taken with a pinch of salt.7 -
We short?Cafc43v3r said:
I haven't said we are going to finish above them. We are short, we know we are short, Thomas, Gallen and Adkins have said we are short.supaclive said:
I've named 9 teams that could, in theory finish above us, you've just told me we are going to finish above them all. That's ok then. With a weaker team than last year, our top goalscorer gone, our most influential midfielder injured and no loans in place, we're going to piss this league.Cafc43v3r said:
So we lose 15 goal Chuks and its a disaster but Sunderland lose 26 goal Charlie Wyke and they will still guaranteed to finish above us? Lincoln have already lost their best player and will possibly lose some more.supaclive said:
Because Ipswich and Wigan are not in the same boat and 4 teams that didn't get promoted finished above us, plus the 3 teams that came down, you should argue probably had better squads than ours, so as it stands, with losing Chuks, JFC being injured, then we have a lot of ground to catch up!Todds_right_hook said:
If it’s a covid season and other teams are in the same boat, why have we got no chance of promotionsupaclive said:Thus is still a "Covid" season. With so many games in League 1 and such a thin squad, we have no chance of promotion as it stands.
The other teams in the same position as us will find the same thing. That's why we need a minimum of 6-8 signings, including loans in, very quickly.
Wycombe and Rotherham haven't done much in the market and Wednesday are still a mess and going to struggle to put a team out next Saturday.
We are still sort but with probably the exception of Oxford so is everyone else.
Sorry for being slightly concerned.
Portsmouth are short, their manager has said so, Sunderland are short their manager has said so, Rotherham are short, their manager has said so. I could go on.
Every one bar Oxford and Morecambe are well short on the number of players they had last season, even Wigan and Ipswich.
Saying you think we are short isn't some sort of unique insightful take. Stevie Wonder could see it. So is everyone else. We are in the same situation as almost everyone else.
The window is open for another month and due to Covid, Brexit, the Euros and multiple other reasons there is more still to happen than normal. Even in "normal" times a lot of business happens late.0 -
But this is all just conspiracy, rather than just taking the manager at his word, that he does actually rate Davison.SELR_addicks said:
At the start of the window no one would have thought we'd only have Stockley and Davison as our attacking options.Oggy Red said:
Mate, I don't know why you've got such a downer on Josh Davison.SELR_addicks said:
So a player with these stats is going to be our plan B for the coming season?Oggy Red said:
We've covered this point already.SELR_addicks said:
Grant at least showed something on loan.Oggy Red said:
This time 3 years ago, Karlan Grant wasn't rated by many people on CL.SELR_addicks said:
If you offered the chance for Adkins to swap Davison for one of Ipswich's strikers, you think Adkins would say 'No thanks, Davison is better than all of them.'?BR7_addick said:
What was my answer? I just spoke about Adkins opinion?cafcsinger said:
If Davison is the answer, you’re asking the wrong questionBR7_addick said:
Based on? I’ve seen him play twice when he was 19, you? Davison is an untried and untested improving kid that our new manager deemed too good to loan out, you might be right, but you might wrong.thenewbie said:
Maybe not but I would take any of them instead of Davison frankly.BR7_addick said:
Good for them five strikers none of which id swap for Stockers 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻SELR_addicks said:
They have Edmundson, Chaplin and Fraser not in the squad.BR7_addick said:
One. Week. Before. Seasons. Starts. Teams. Usually. Start. Their. Best. XISELR_addicks said:
It. Is. A. Friendly.BR7_addick said:Ipswich all the rage on here of late and they have had what looks like a good window, but they’re starting either Bonne and Pigott up top today, are we really envious of that, really?!
Ipswich have Pigott, Bonne, Chaplin, Jackson and Norwood as potential strikers. I'm sure they'll be fine.
Vetokele got injured pre-season and Karlan grabbed his chance.
Perhaps with Davison, despite the misgivings of many based on watching a raw young lad 2 years ago, maybe we should just wait and see how things unfold?
Remember also, Adkins has a reputation for providing a pathway for young players to prove themselves.
He'll only do that if he has confidence in the player.
Davison has failed to make it into a team in a lower division.
Promotion chasing Forest Green brought Davison in as cover for their big target man, who was playing well, scoring goals and didn't get injured.
Unless that striker lost form or was missing through injury, why would a less experienced player replace him?
Davison was asked to adapt his game to play a different role, one he'd no previous experience of playing.
He nevertheless made 20 League Two appearances, both starts and from the bench, scoring 3 goals and a number of assists.
Is that what you mean by saying, "Davison has failed to make it into a team in a lower division" ..... ?
It seems to me he was a useful and valued member of their squad.
If he was a youth squad player that we were going to give the odd game in the EFL trophy I wouldn't mind at all. It's the fact he is our second choice striker for the coming season.
If we are looking at chasing promotion, relying on a player that has only ever reliably scored goals in the Isthmian League isn't my idea of a safe bet.
He's a young player making his way, works hard, spot on attitude and hungry to succeed.
His manager rates him.
Give him a chance.
The rewriting of Davison to make him seem like he's a world beater is comical. He's a last resort clearly because we have no other attacking options in the squad.
Adkins praising him because Davison and Stockley is literally all he has should be taken with a pinch of salt.
He heaped praise on him at the q&a and said he's scoring goals for fun in training. He said they're really pleased with him.
At the end of the day, if a manager goes heaping praise on a player in public and they turn out to be poor, the manager knows his judgement is going to be called into question.
The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.... He rates the bloke.
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Hate to be that guy, but I just don't think we have sufficient depth in the squad at the moment.
I will probably get pelters for saying that, but it's just how I feel.
Maybe you lot are all in the right and everything will be fine (I sure hope so!)
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The window hasn’t closed yet.RaplhMilne said:Plenty of people on here said if we kept Inniss and Famewo in the defence we would piss this league, well they are…. An we won’t be. Still hanging on just a little hope …. But, playoffs looking height of our ambition.1 -
We don't just have Stockley and Davison.
We also have Washington.
There is also Ronnie and Aoucheria but as neither has played at all pre-season we can discount them for now.
Obviously we're short but let's not ignore a full international who scored for us last season.3 -
I think everyone pretty much agrees that we don't currently have sufficient depth. It all depends on the caiber of player we bring in in the next couple of weeks. I think with a few decent additions, and NA's qualities as a manager, we'll be competitive.MickeyBennett said:Hate to be that guy, but I just don't think we have sufficient depth in the squad at the moment.
I will probably get pelters for saying that, but it's just how I feel.
Maybe you lot are all in the right and everything will be fine (I sure hope so!)1 -
Who's playing on the wing when he's up front?Henry Irving said:We don't just have Stockley and Davison.
We also have Washington.
There is also Ronnie and Aoucheria but as neither has played at all pre-season we can discount them for now.
Obviously we're short but let's not ignore a full international who scored for us last season.1 -
But we still have him.SELR_addicks said:
Who's playing on the wing when he's up front?Henry Irving said:We don't just have Stockley and Davison.
We also have Washington.
There is also Ronnie and Aoucheria but as neither has played at all pre-season we can discount them for now.
Obviously we're short but let's not ignore a full international who scored for us last season.
He's still our player.
He's still a forward.3 -
ThE wInDoW hAs NoT cLoSeD yEt!!!!SELR_addicks said:
Who's playing on the wing when he's up front?Henry Irving said:We don't just have Stockley and Davison.
We also have Washington.
There is also Ronnie and Aoucheria but as neither has played at all pre-season we can discount them for now.
Obviously we're short but let's not ignore a full international who scored for us last season.
If you think we are going to only have the strikers AND wide players we have now until May that's a completely different argument.
Stockley, Davison plus 1
DJ Claydon plus 1
AND Washington
Would be more than most, if the plus 1s are 1st team players.0 -
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Of course that isn't what I said. I feel he has done enough performance wise. If you are going to give somebody a trial and they do well, you would expect them to be taken on. Doing well isn't playing like Messi of course. Wouldn't it be great if you gave players trials and you find a Ronaldo and Messi? No problem if you disagree, but he has performed well IMO.Covered End said:
So you're saying that every player we give a trial will automatically get a 1 year contract.MuttleyCAFC said:
I would go as far as saying that if we don't give him a year, why give him a trial? He has done enough IMO.Cafc43v3r said:
The difference is, this season, we don't NEED Levitts or Smiths to make up the numbers. We might take 1 1st time loan from a Chelsea or City but we are much more likely to be able to get Stockley and Shinnie types from the championship or 2nd time loans like Millar from the big clubs.Jac_52 said:RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Jac_52 said:RodneyCharltonTrotta said:mendonca said:Are we backing NA in the transfer market?
Just something does not seem right to me at the moment. You don't bring in an experienced and proven manager like him, get everybody on board about a huge rebuild. We have 3 "Senior" pros in Ronnie, Gilbey and Watson who have hardly played any pre-season minutes, let alone the new boys. The AMB situation still looms.
One thing NA wanted at the end of last season - to replace squad players with first team players and reduce the average age of the team. Recently Gallen mentioned how we might bring in some experienced players to help for a season or two. We might have grossly misread and understood the transfer market this season. I feel we have.
I think we are very unprepared and weaker than how we ended the season.
I think we're very prepared in terms of the actual football. I also don't think we're really weaker than last year. Our midfield is such a huge upgrade already in terms of mobility and playing style, we're just severely lacking depth.
Hope you're right mate and hope we have less injuries than we seemed to have past few years as the lack of depth really concerns me.
Think we'll be ok for the first game but yeah if we start picking up injuries early things won't be looking good. We'll almost certainly be bringing in loans at some point and given how long we're waiting to do that they better be bloody good ones!
Of the 4 loans we will almost certainly get I am confident 3 of them will be very good.
Oh and I would give Madger a year, plus an option in our favour.
Apologies, but the whole purpose of a trial is to establish if you wish to offer a player a contract.
You don't give someone a 1 year contract automatically.2 -
Crusty54 said:
He was smiling all afternoon yesterday walking around the pitch and having photos with supporters.lancashire lad said:NA does not seem to be his usual smiley self in the recent two interviews nor any morning tweets?
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You won't be "that guy". You'll be one of "those guys".MickeyBennett said:Hate to be that guy, but I just don't think we have sufficient depth in the squad at the moment.
I will probably get pelters for saying that, but it's just how I feel.
Maybe you lot are all in the right and everything will be fine (I sure hope so!)2 -
Last signing was 12 days ago.
31 days to go.0 -
Since the days of Crofts, Ulvestaadt and Foley our midfield has generally lacked a bit of athleticism, and I wouldn’t under estimate the difference Clare and Dobson could make this season. Just need a vg left back to make us very strong defensively.4
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This thread is unbelievable. The sense of entitlement is off the scale. Grown men spending another person's money and throwing keyboard tantrums left right and centre as the other person isn't throwing his money round in a manner which they deem acceptable.This time last year we were on the brink. A very real possibility of going out of business. Sandergaard might not be everyone's cup of tea, but he is well in credit for effectively saving the club from going out of business.He set his stall out very early on and made it clear he would be running things as a business. A business does not burn through a fuck ton of money that it potentially has no hope of recouping.We all know the squad is thin, but the business we have done so far is good. There is no way we won't being additional players in before the window closes.I wish people would stop with the I want it and I want it now bollocks. There are people on this thread who are like a fucking stuck record. Spouting the same shit over and over whilst launching toys round whatever room they are sitting in.The sooner people accept that the club were just about at rock bottom and that unless you get a billionaire coming in with very deep pockets, coming back from that takes time, the better.98
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You won’t get pelters, you’ll struggle to find anyone who disagrees that we lack depth. Even the most positive fans want at least a couple more signings.MickeyBennett said:Hate to be that guy, but I just don't think we have sufficient depth in the squad at the moment.
I will probably get pelters for saying that, but it's just how I feel.
Maybe you lot are all in the right and everything will be fine (I sure hope so!)
We still have a month to resolve it and we’ll be up against the rest of our division as almost every club has the same issue.6 -
every thread is the same, the positive fans say positive things and the negative fans say negative things, do not get upset by this, this is how the world works.1
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Is this a woosh ?MickeyBennett said:Hate to be that guy, but I just don't think we have sufficient depth in the squad at the moment.
I will probably get pelters for saying that, but it's just how I feel.
Maybe you lot are all in the right and everything will be fine (I sure hope so!)2 -
Chicago Addick’s recent blog sums it up well for me, our squad which failed last term has been depleted further particularly attacking wise. Particularly we seem very short on the goals at present based on last season.What concerns me on these occasions is the disparity between the stated ambition, the assessment of the current squad quality, and the activity in the transfer market, add to that the realities of League One football currently and a possible underestimation of what resources are need to secure the players to compete.13
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I love the way people twist what others say.AppyAddick said:
Good god, has it really come to this...golfaddick said:
So is the cheery persona just an act. Surely the whole point of his daily "messages" was that life is good and we "go again" and that every day is a brand new day. Practice what you preach I say.....Scoham said:
He’s recently recovered from Covid and wouldn’t have been going for walks while isolating.lancashire lad said:NA does not seem to be his usual smiley self in the recent two interviews nor any morning tweets?
(and funny because I posted something similar a few weeks ago saying imo it was all a bit tedious and false. I got a lot of peters for it but I stand by it even more now).
Because he didn't smile and say "life is good, we go again" yesterday he's tedious and false...
Get a grip Golfie 👍
I didnt say that because he didnt smile yesterday he was tedious & false. I said that his previous daily messages that he used to post were tedious & false.......and maybe to be proved to be the case if he is no longer doing so.
It's so easy to be cheerful when you are on top of the world......its a bit harder when you have the weight of the world on your shoulders. Just trying to point out the inconsistencies with his "always bright & happy" daily messages.0 -
Believe me NA is likely to be a lot happier than some of the people who post on here.23
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Karlan had a loan deal where he banged in a load of goals. That's the key difference for me.Oggy Red said:
This time 3 years ago, Karlan Grant wasn't rated by many people on CL.SELR_addicks said:
If you offered the chance for Adkins to swap Davison for one of Ipswich's strikers, you think Adkins would say 'No thanks, Davison is better than all of them.'?BR7_addick said:
What was my answer? I just spoke about Adkins opinion?cafcsinger said:
If Davison is the answer, you’re asking the wrong questionBR7_addick said:
Based on? I’ve seen him play twice when he was 19, you? Davison is an untried and untested improving kid that our new manager deemed too good to loan out, you might be right, but you might wrong.thenewbie said:
Maybe not but I would take any of them instead of Davison frankly.BR7_addick said:
Good for them five strikers none of which id swap for Stockers 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻SELR_addicks said:
They have Edmundson, Chaplin and Fraser not in the squad.BR7_addick said:
One. Week. Before. Seasons. Starts. Teams. Usually. Start. Their. Best. XISELR_addicks said:
It. Is. A. Friendly.BR7_addick said:Ipswich all the rage on here of late and they have had what looks like a good window, but they’re starting either Bonne and Pigott up top today, are we really envious of that, really?!
Ipswich have Pigott, Bonne, Chaplin, Jackson and Norwood as potential strikers. I'm sure they'll be fine.
Vetokele got injured pre-season and Karlan grabbed his chance.
Perhaps with Davison, despite the misgivings of many based on watching a raw young lad 2 years ago, maybe we should just wait and see how things unfold?
Remember also, Adkins has a reputation for providing a pathway for young players to prove themselves.
He'll only do that if he has confidence in the player.3 -
IMO we’ve kept the players we should have kept and lost the ones we should be looking to improve on if we want to win something, ie promotion. That’s not depleting the squad, unless we are just talking about how many players we have compared to last season at the end of each of the two transfer windowsrazil said:Chicago Addick’s recent blog sums it up well for me, our squad which failed last term has been depleted further particularly attacking wise. Particularly we seem very short on the goals at present based on last season.What concerns me on these occasions is the disparity between the stated ambition, the assessment of the current squad quality, and the activity in the transfer market, add to that the realities of League One football currently and a possible underestimation of what resources are need to secure the players to compete.1 -
And calling him tedious and false...golfaddick said:
I love the way people twist what others say.AppyAddick said:
Good god, has it really come to this...golfaddick said:
So is the cheery persona just an act. Surely the whole point of his daily "messages" was that life is good and we "go again" and that every day is a brand new day. Practice what you preach I say.....Scoham said:
He’s recently recovered from Covid and wouldn’t have been going for walks while isolating.lancashire lad said:NA does not seem to be his usual smiley self in the recent two interviews nor any morning tweets?
(and funny because I posted something similar a few weeks ago saying imo it was all a bit tedious and false. I got a lot of peters for it but I stand by it even more now).
Because he didn't smile and say "life is good, we go again" yesterday he's tedious and false...
Get a grip Golfie 👍
I didnt say that because he didnt smile yesterday he was tedious & false. I said that his previous daily messages that he used to post were tedious & false.......and maybe to be proved to be the case if he is no longer doing so.
It's so easy to be cheerful when you are on top of the world......its a bit harder when you have the weight of the world on your shoulders. Just trying to point out the inconsistencies with his "always bright & happy" daily messages.
No twisting there, do you ever think that maybe the constant negativity is tedious?
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We haven't replaced Maatsen, Millar or Aneke though. I wasn't Millar's biggest fan, but he's better than the options we have on the bench atm.letthegoodtimesroll said:
IMO we’ve kept the players we should have kept and lost the ones we should be looking to improve on if we want to win something, ie promotion. That’s not depleting the squad, unless we are just talking about how many players we have compared to last season at the end of each of the two transfer windowsrazil said:Chicago Addick’s recent blog sums it up well for me, our squad which failed last term has been depleted further particularly attacking wise. Particularly we seem very short on the goals at present based on last season.What concerns me on these occasions is the disparity between the stated ambition, the assessment of the current squad quality, and the activity in the transfer market, add to that the realities of League One football currently and a possible underestimation of what resources are need to secure the players to compete.
Plenty of time left in the window, and I won't worry until it's closed, but we're not stronger now as a squad than we were at the end of last season.
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What do I know about football but I thought Maarten was a weak link as a defender, Millar would go missing if the ball wasn’t always being played to him, Aneke was a bit player.6
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Right, but instead of having them we have no one.letthegoodtimesroll said:What do I know about football but I thought Maarten was a weak link as a defender, Millar would go missing if the ball wasn’t always being played to him, Aneke was a bit player.4 -
Or maybe it’s because he’s had a life threatening illness.golfaddick said:
I love the way people twist what others say.AppyAddick said:
Good god, has it really come to this...golfaddick said:
So is the cheery persona just an act. Surely the whole point of his daily "messages" was that life is good and we "go again" and that every day is a brand new day. Practice what you preach I say.....Scoham said:
He’s recently recovered from Covid and wouldn’t have been going for walks while isolating.lancashire lad said:NA does not seem to be his usual smiley self in the recent two interviews nor any morning tweets?
(and funny because I posted something similar a few weeks ago saying imo it was all a bit tedious and false. I got a lot of peters for it but I stand by it even more now).
Because he didn't smile and say "life is good, we go again" yesterday he's tedious and false...
Get a grip Golfie 👍
I didnt say that because he didnt smile yesterday he was tedious & false. I said that his previous daily messages that he used to post were tedious & false.......and maybe to be proved to be the case if he is no longer doing so.
It's so easy to be cheerful when you are on top of the world......its a bit harder when you have the weight of the world on your shoulders. Just trying to point out the inconsistencies with his "always bright & happy" daily messages.
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