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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)
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in every game there are mistakes and misses that end up costing points. Not one single moment can be said to determine how the season pans out. For Ronnie's miss there is the last gasp equaliser for Crewe at The Valley. It's swings and roundabouts, you finish where you deserve to finish, no higher no lower.10
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Agreed - butterfly effect and all that.ForeverAddickted said:Its lovely to see people are finally on the same wave length as me with the Schwartz penalty
Am sure a lot always have been but felt at times as though I was solely banging my head against the wall when saying that the one particular moment against Oxford couldnt be used to define what happened last season.
If anything you could look back at that moment, and perhaps the miss against Bristol Rovers as being signs where Ronnie just wasnt going to get any luck here at the club - Had he scored against the latter he'd have had two quick goals early in his Charlton career and he could well have ended up flying!!
But the Birmingham equalizer caused our demise in the Championship season ;-)4 -
What really defined the season last time around was winning 6 games in 18 days, then taking another 95 days to record the next 6 wins25
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Adkins wants tall players.LargeAddick said:interesting on Tom Lowery No Movement On Lowery Contract - News - Crewe Alexandra
Wiki says Lowery is 5ft 6 in.0 -
Yes and they are massive Martin fans and were at pains to emphasise it was their "with Martin" prediction. I suspect running it again now they would be looking at top 10 rather than top 4, not just due to losing him but the week before the season as well.Cafc43v3r said:
Was that recored before Martin went to Swansea?Dippenhall said:1 -
Wow, there is a lot of negativity on here. Personally I'm pretty relaxed. We have a club to support thanks to TS stepping up when it mattered. TS and NA are probably guilty of being a little over enthusiastic at the end of last season but to be fair to TS it's his first close season trying to buy players, and maybe it's not as easy as he thought it might be.
I agree the squad does look a little light, but then so do the squads of other teams around us.
We do have to remember that there is a shortage of supply in terms of players, previously teams could look abroad, so a Championship team may pickup a Mid Level Ligue 1 player out of France. Now that is not possible, so larger teams in the Championship are sniffing around targets that we probably could of snapped up in a heartbeat.
It's great news for British Players they finally get a chance to perform on a bigger stage than they ever would have under the old rules when we were in the EU.
For us it makes life a little more difficult, because the lower league clubs / players know they can make more money holding out for a Championship team than a League1 club. It also drives the price up on 'bang average' players just because the foreign competition is effectively eliminated.
I'm confident that TS and NA will build a team capable of the play offs. I do believe we are probably a little off that at the moment. A few injuries and we're probably mid table at best.
Anyway, got my season ticket will be down there Saturday.
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I might be clutching at straws but it seems that the posters who saw through ESI from the start are very different from the posters who are panicking over our so-so summer signings. If there was an overlap between the two groups I'd be concerned.4
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Couldn't find any Youtube footage of Lowery but I got this.LargeAddick said:interesting on Tom Lowery No Movement On Lowery Contract - News - Crewe Alexandra
Looks like he could do a job!
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How about...Posters that complained about season ticket prices and the fact in their opinion there was not enough of an 'offer' on them and then those same posters complaining about TS not putting his hand in his pocket to build a strong enough team. How many of those are there ? Maybe there was no overlap.SantaClaus said:I might be clutching at straws but it seems that the posters who saw through ESI from the start are very different from the posters who are panicking over our so-so summer signings. If there was an overlap between the two groups I'd be concerned.2 -
People seem to forget that Stockley missed one v PeterbroLeuth said:It really bugs me when people don't understand basic causality. If Schwartz had scored his penalty there's no saying what would have happened in later games3 -
You could make up what if's all day.addick1956 said:
What if Bogle had taken the penalty at Gillingham and scored 🤔. Then Washington could not have missed it but we wouldn't have known that was the play-off clincher.Todds_right_hook said:
So are my examples. It always seems to be Ronnie miss that gets mentioned. Not the stockley or Washington ones.bristoladdick said:Yes, but a riposte to Dazzler's throwaway line about Bowyer's mood change, which is subjective and no doubt tongue in cheek.My comment about Ronnie's miss is factual, in that if Ronnie had scored that, it would have been a 3 point swing against the team that made the playoffs. Just playing the hypothetical game.
Schwartz miss cost us 2 points against an eventual play-off team.
What if Schwartz scored his penalty (that was well saved)
What if Oxford didn't have a man sent off giving away a silly and needless penalty against AFC Wimbledon
What if James Henry had stayed on the pitch and assisted/scored another goal?
What if Bowyer had gone in February?
What if we had a rumours thread that stayed dedicated to rumours and not last seasons results, random barbecues and loads of other pointless shit.
All the what-iffery in the world simply won't change the outcome because it is not reality... It is hindsight.26 -
Source?Dazzler21 said:
You could make up what if's all day.addick1956 said:
What if Bogle had taken the penalty at Gillingham and scored 🤔. Then Washington could not have missed it but we wouldn't have known that was the play-off clincher.Todds_right_hook said:
So are my examples. It always seems to be Ronnie miss that gets mentioned. Not the stockley or Washington ones.bristoladdick said:Yes, but a riposte to Dazzler's throwaway line about Bowyer's mood change, which is subjective and no doubt tongue in cheek.My comment about Ronnie's miss is factual, in that if Ronnie had scored that, it would have been a 3 point swing against the team that made the playoffs. Just playing the hypothetical game.
Schwartz miss cost us 2 points against an eventual play-off team.
What if Schwartz scored his penalty (that was well saved)
What if Oxford didn't have a man sent off giving away a silly and needless penalty against AFC Wimbledon
What if James Henry had stayed on the pitch and assisted/scored another goal?
What if Bowyer had gone in February?
What if we had a rumours thread that stayed dedicated to rumours and not last seasons results, random barbecues and loads of other pointless shit.
All the what-iffery in the world simply won't change the outcome because it is not reality... It is hindsight.0 -
So logic and facts rear up on the rumours thread again, well said @Dazzler21, let's hope the whole hindsight theory about penalty misses etc can be put to be bed, and we can get back to good old fashioned rumours,....anyone got anything...
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What if there was a pitch invasion while no fans were allowed in. The list is endless.1
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Had Crewe not scored in the last minute at the Valley we'd have been in the Play-Offsaddick1956 said:
Had the penalty at Oxford been scored it would have been 1-0 as no time was left after really. That is not conjecture. 1 point less for them, 2 more for us.Dazzler21 said:
You could make up what if's all day.addick1956 said:
What if Bogle had taken the penalty at Gillingham and scored 🤔. Then Washington could not have missed it but we wouldn't have known that was the play-off clincher.Todds_right_hook said:
So are my examples. It always seems to be Ronnie miss that gets mentioned. Not the stockley or Washington ones.bristoladdick said:Yes, but a riposte to Dazzler's throwaway line about Bowyer's mood change, which is subjective and no doubt tongue in cheek.My comment about Ronnie's miss is factual, in that if Ronnie had scored that, it would have been a 3 point swing against the team that made the playoffs. Just playing the hypothetical game.
Schwartz miss cost us 2 points against an eventual play-off team.
What if Schwartz scored his penalty (that was well saved)
What if Oxford didn't have a man sent off giving away a silly and needless penalty against AFC Wimbledon
What if James Henry had stayed on the pitch and assisted/scored another goal?
What if Bowyer had gone in February?
What if we had a rumours thread that stayed dedicated to rumours and not last seasons results, random barbecues and loads of other pointless shit.
All the what-iffery in the world simply won't change the outcome because it is not reality... It is hindsight.
My point is there were 3 instances where we took it away from ourselves. Not 1, not 2 but 3.
They equalised that night with the last kick of the game... Swindon pretty much did the same when we played there4 -
Would certainly take that, but honestly, I cannot see Sheffield, Wycombe, or particularly Rotherham being that low down.Cafc43v3r said:
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that dreadful slump when bowyer lost the plot and was making 5 changes by half time at home killed us - ably assisted by a below par midfield and our 2 premium centre halfs injured - anyway, back to the rumours (tumbleweed gif)7
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Not to mention Oxford lost against Accrington | Northampton | Wimbledon after our draw - Had we beaten them thanks to Schwartz's penalty, whats to say they wouldnt have won those games as they'd have had a little more desperation about themaddick1956 said:
Yes so that is 4 . Then there is Shrewsbury away too in the last minute.ForeverAddickted said:
Had Crewe not scored in the last minute at the Valley we'd have been in the Play-Offsaddick1956 said:
Had the penalty at Oxford been scored it would have been 1-0 as no time was left after really. That is not conjecture. 1 point less for them, 2 more for us.Dazzler21 said:
You could make up what if's all day.addick1956 said:
What if Bogle had taken the penalty at Gillingham and scored 🤔. Then Washington could not have missed it but we wouldn't have known that was the play-off clincher.Todds_right_hook said:
So are my examples. It always seems to be Ronnie miss that gets mentioned. Not the stockley or Washington ones.bristoladdick said:Yes, but a riposte to Dazzler's throwaway line about Bowyer's mood change, which is subjective and no doubt tongue in cheek.My comment about Ronnie's miss is factual, in that if Ronnie had scored that, it would have been a 3 point swing against the team that made the playoffs. Just playing the hypothetical game.
Schwartz miss cost us 2 points against an eventual play-off team.
What if Schwartz scored his penalty (that was well saved)
What if Oxford didn't have a man sent off giving away a silly and needless penalty against AFC Wimbledon
What if James Henry had stayed on the pitch and assisted/scored another goal?
What if Bowyer had gone in February?
What if we had a rumours thread that stayed dedicated to rumours and not last seasons results, random barbecues and loads of other pointless shit.
All the what-iffery in the world simply won't change the outcome because it is not reality... It is hindsight.
My point is there were 3 instances where we took it away from ourselves. Not 1, not 2 but 3.
They equalised that night with the last kick of the game...0 -
In the words of Del Boy - "What's the point of talking about ifs eh? I mean, if me bruvva was a bird he would've been me sister.5
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We should be signing Highery.Covered End said:
Adkins wants tall players.LargeAddick said:interesting on Tom Lowery No Movement On Lowery Contract - News - Crewe Alexandra
Wiki says Lowery is 5ft 6 in.2 -
Think? I'd take that no question.bristoladdick said:0 -
We shot ourselves in the foot numerous times last season, the last minute goals handed to Swindon and shrewsbury.addick1956 said:
Had the penalty at Oxford been scored it would have been 1-0 as no time was left after really. That is not conjecture. 1 point less for them, 2 more for us.Dazzler21 said:
You could make up what if's all day.addick1956 said:
What if Bogle had taken the penalty at Gillingham and scored 🤔. Then Washington could not have missed it but we wouldn't have known that was the play-off clincher.Todds_right_hook said:
So are my examples. It always seems to be Ronnie miss that gets mentioned. Not the stockley or Washington ones.bristoladdick said:Yes, but a riposte to Dazzler's throwaway line about Bowyer's mood change, which is subjective and no doubt tongue in cheek.My comment about Ronnie's miss is factual, in that if Ronnie had scored that, it would have been a 3 point swing against the team that made the playoffs. Just playing the hypothetical game.
Schwartz miss cost us 2 points against an eventual play-off team.
What if Schwartz scored his penalty (that was well saved)
What if Oxford didn't have a man sent off giving away a silly and needless penalty against AFC Wimbledon
What if James Henry had stayed on the pitch and assisted/scored another goal?
What if Bowyer had gone in February?
What if we had a rumours thread that stayed dedicated to rumours and not last seasons results, random barbecues and loads of other pointless shit.
All the what-iffery in the world simply won't change the outcome because it is not reality... It is hindsight.
My point is there were 3 instances where we took it away from ourselves. Not 1, not 2 but 3.
our squad needs strengthening, without question. We will be on the mix come may but we do need to stop the stupid individual errors that have cost us for 2 seasons running.0 -
Didn't we get a last minute equaliser at home to Swindon?0
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No 30 July. They actually said MK Dons prediction depended on keeping Martin.Cafc43v3r said:
Was that recored before Martin went to Swansea?Dippenhall said:0 -
Scored in the 90th minute, but still played a further six minutesiaitch said:Didn't we get a last minute equaliser at home to Swindon?
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I suggest if you follow them on Twitter you'd be in for an unpleasant shock.....SantaClaus said:I might be clutching at straws but it seems that the posters who saw through ESI from the start are very different from the posters who are panicking over our so-so summer signings. If there was an overlap between the two groups I'd be concerned.0 -
No point in what ifs.
If Schwartz had scored his penalty we might had thought we were in the play offs before playing Hull & not beaten them.7
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