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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)
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Isn’t he another right back?0
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His wiki says he can play RB, CM and LB0
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Wednesday tends to be a footballers day off so it's no real surprise if he is not at training. In fact he was playing gold with Jack Tucker at Chart HillsSwingForward said:There definitely appears to be truth in the Dempsey rumours as wasnt at training yesterday at Gillingham - seems they want Josh Davison on loan as part of the deal.0 -
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Ipswich definitely have to offload players, their squad is already over the limit allowed.Cafc43v3r said:
This also assumes that other intrested parties, ie the usual parties who would be intrested in a Dempsey/Lowery level player have got any room or money left.killerandflash said:
That would assume though that we're the only party interested, which I doubt if the player is any goodSage said:£200k is a little low, but I don’t think it’s that low.
Let’s assume for arguments sake he’s on £2500 a week, Gillingham can’t pay high wages and that’s still good for a League One player, in my opinion.
He would be due to earn/cost Gillingham £120,000 between now and his contract finishing, including the extra month he gets if he doesn’t find a new club.
An offer of £250k could well be enough as we would be paying his contract off and giving them £130k on top.
They need the money, it’s the way football works, especially lower down the pyramid.
If Ipswich, the usual example, think more players is the answer they might have to off load someone they have only just signed.0 -
Mind you Wiki say's the same about Gunter, "attacking full back capable of playing on both flanks"..Smithy said:His wiki says he can play RB, CM and LB3 -
Right…so how are we only giving them “£130K on top”? Gillingham would no longer have the salary as a liability because we would be paying him for the remaining duration of his contract (£120k) and they would get a transfer fee on top (£250k)? Surely the amount they get on top of no longer being liable for his salary is the full transfer fee?johnnybev1987 said:
Sage has explained it perfect, essentially any wages saved would be a saving to them as well as the fee we will pay. So essentially £200k is not just that to Gillingham, its that on top of the wages they would have had to pay him for the next yearse9addick said:
Not sure I follow the maths on that one. Won’t we be “paying his contract off” (by giving him a contract at Charlton) and paying them £250k (the hypothetical transfer fee) on top?Sage said:£200k is a little low, but I don’t think it’s that low.
Let’s assume for arguments sake he’s on £2500 a week, Gillingham can’t pay high wages and that’s still good for a League One player, in my opinion.
He would be due to earn/cost Gillingham £120,000 between now and his contract finishing, including the extra month he gets if he doesn’t find a new club.
An offer of £250k could well be enough as we would be paying his contract off and giving them £130k on top.
They need the money, it’s the way football works, especially lower down the pyramid.1 -
Dempsey looks like a grafting central midfielder with an eye for goal. He takes a good set piece too which is badly needed. Not afraid to tackle either but from what I have seen he is not an Andy Reid type creative player - more of a Kinsella type of player albeit slightly more offensive.1
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We loaned Oztumer to Bristol Rovers last season.addick1956 said:
Is it usual to loan a player to a team in the same division ?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Does he need a lift? I think a few lifers would offer to drive him there if that's the deal breaker.SwingForward said:There definitely appears to be truth in the Dempsey rumours as wasnt at training yesterday at Gillingham - seems they want Josh Davison on loan as part of the deal.
Happens all the time in the Premier League, players just cant play against their parent club
Conor Gallagher to West Brom and now Crystal Palace for example.1 -
eastterrace6168 said:
Mind you Wiki say's the same about Gunter, "attacking full back capable of playing on both flanks"..Smithy said:His wiki says he can play RB, CM and LB
Can that be changed to just "full back".
He's can't play on both flanks, he's not attacking, and he's barely capable.1 -
Wales' most capped player ever. Selected over Matthews regularly. He is playing out of position (remember when we tried Solly on the left...!?). He may not have the pace now and he isn't Maatsen - but not capable!!?North Lower Neil said:eastterrace6168 said:
Mind you Wiki say's the same about Gunter, "attacking full back capable of playing on both flanks"..Smithy said:His wiki says he can play RB, CM and LB
Can that be changed to just "full back".
He's can't play on both flanks, he's not attacking, and he's barely capable.9 -
I reckon it'll be 2 loan signings now and that'll happen on the last day of the window3
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Fixed for you.eastterrace6168 said:
Mind you Wiki say's the same about Gunter, "attacking full back incapable of playing"..Smithy said:His wiki says he can play RB, CM and LB1 -
If Richard Cawley is correct and our final fling will be loans then I can see fans drifting away in droves. Not a prayer of top six. We’ve become a well established third tier club now. Shocking. TS needs to break silence and put the record straight.13
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Because they would receive the money they are due to pay him, so we would be effectively paying up his contract. We then provide him with a contract of our own. It would be the same for any deal. Just we would be saying that his market value is 2x the amount of his remaining contract.se9addick said:
Not sure I follow the maths on that one. Won’t we be “paying his contract off” (by giving him a contract at Charlton) and paying them £250k (the hypothetical transfer fee) on top?Sage said:£200k is a little low, but I don’t think it’s that low.
Let’s assume for arguments sake he’s on £2500 a week, Gillingham can’t pay high wages and that’s still good for a League One player, in my opinion.
He would be due to earn/cost Gillingham £120,000 between now and his contract finishing, including the extra month he gets if he doesn’t find a new club.
An offer of £250k could well be enough as we would be paying his contract off and giving them £130k on top.
They need the money, it’s the way football works, especially lower down the pyramid.1 -
If we've got no money to spend I really hope we sign a free agent or two. I'd still go in for Joe Bennett at left back, loaning a CB, CM and striker.1
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And one of the other L1 clubs could lose a player in the next week too, so will then have funds to spend which they wouldn't have otherwiseCL_Phantom said:Cafc43v3r said:
This also assumes that other intrested parties, ie the usual parties who would be intrested in a Dempsey/Lowery level player have got any room or money left.killerandflash said:
That would assume though that we're the only party interested, which I doubt if the player is any goodSage said:£200k is a little low, but I don’t think it’s that low.
Let’s assume for arguments sake he’s on £2500 a week, Gillingham can’t pay high wages and that’s still good for a League One player, in my opinion.
He would be due to earn/cost Gillingham £120,000 between now and his contract finishing, including the extra month he gets if he doesn’t find a new club.
An offer of £250k could well be enough as we would be paying his contract off and giving them £130k on top.
They need the money, it’s the way football works, especially lower down the pyramid.
If Ipswich, the usual example, think more players is the answer they might have to off load someone they have only just signed.
But this assumes the club's that spend on A player don't come in as well, we're not competing with Ipswich etc. It's the Oxfords and Rotherhams who will add that one key player in 200-400k bracket that we need to worry about - as they'll be thinking the same as us.
And of course, championship clubs looking for a squad filler.0 - Sponsored links:
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no it doesn't save us money, eg. cost to us £200-250k whatever hypothetical, i am saying the selling club Gillingham might be more inclined to do business as they would save his wages on top of he fee agreed. Thats what i think Sage was getting at, unless i am mistaken, the figures are all hypothetical at this stage they could save £100k in wages, then get another £250k on top which makes business sense to the seller. Which in turn means we get him cheaper factoring this in.se9addick said:
Right…so how are we only giving them “£130K on top”? Gillingham would no longer have the salary as a liability because we would be paying him for the remaining duration of his contract (£120k) and they would get a transfer fee on top (£250k)? Surely the amount they get on top of no longer being liable for his salary is the full transfer fee?johnnybev1987 said:
Sage has explained it perfect, essentially any wages saved would be a saving to them as well as the fee we will pay. So essentially £200k is not just that to Gillingham, its that on top of the wages they would have had to pay him for the next yearse9addick said:
Not sure I follow the maths on that one. Won’t we be “paying his contract off” (by giving him a contract at Charlton) and paying them £250k (the hypothetical transfer fee) on top?Sage said:£200k is a little low, but I don’t think it’s that low.
Let’s assume for arguments sake he’s on £2500 a week, Gillingham can’t pay high wages and that’s still good for a League One player, in my opinion.
He would be due to earn/cost Gillingham £120,000 between now and his contract finishing, including the extra month he gets if he doesn’t find a new club.
An offer of £250k could well be enough as we would be paying his contract off and giving them £130k on top.
They need the money, it’s the way football works, especially lower down the pyramid.
I might be well out, but in practice it seems reasonable rather than just offer £500k, so its factored in possibly.1 -
I hope we're happy with ourselves for not offering Gillingham over the odds
https://www.gillinghamfootballclub.com/club-statement
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"Can play" is very different from being natural or decent in that positionSmithy said:His wiki says he can play RB, CM and LB
Gunter and Matthews can play left back, Pratley can play CB, Solly could play LB and CM, but in reality it's emergency cover only0 -
It sounds like the club are more disappointed with the concert being cancelled than the game 😂ForeverAddickted said:I hope we're happy with ourselves for not offering Gillingham over the odds
https://www.gillinghamfootballclub.com/club-statement7 -
Correct, in fact, i would suggest amend further to "Just about"North Lower Neil said:eastterrace6168 said:
Mind you Wiki say's the same about Gunter, "attacking full back capable of playing on both flanks"..Smithy said:His wiki says he can play RB, CM and LB
Can that be changed to just "full back".
He's can't play on both flanks, he's not attacking, and he's barely capable.
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They were taking a leaf out of Roland's book... They just wanted to dance with somebodystoneroses19 said:
It sounds like the club are more disappointed with the concert being cancelled than the game 😂ForeverAddickted said:I hope we're happy with ourselves for not offering Gillingham over the odds
https://www.gillinghamfootballclub.com/club-statement3 -
I do get the sense that Cawley is less connected to what’s happening then before7
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Of course we know that, but..Is this a confessionaddick1956 said:
Wikipedia isn't a bible on this. Anyone can add things. Of course you know thateastterrace6168 said:
Mind you Wiki say's the same about Gunter, "attacking full back capable of playing on both flanks"..Smithy said:His wiki says he can play RB, CM and LB 1 -
Played at RB, Gunter is considerably more attacking than Matthews. Like, it isn't close - he is often trying to get to the byline. Matthews just happens to be a more solid defender1
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