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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)

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  • Neil_Heaney
    Neil_Heaney Posts: 371
    The Grapevine post basically says 

    - We had different targets over the summer. Some signed, some didn't
    - Some are younger so longer-term thinking
    - Some are shorter-term as we need to cover injuries and push up the league

    That could have summed it up pretty much. But it's less easy to drop in references to "business operational need," "corporate strategy" and his "career of building businesses" if it's not dressed up in the big essay ; ) 
  • TelMc32
    TelMc32 Posts: 9,066
    edited September 2021
    https://twitter.com/cafcofficial/status/1435271708081065992?s=21

    Stephen Henderson confirmed on a one year contract 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Wow, shocked at this given the comments about the emergency loan. Strong squad now!
  • RedRobin
    RedRobin Posts: 1,377
    Stephen Henderson has signed on a year deal. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,978
    So we still have one loan slot unused, and don't need it for an emergency loan keeper
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,836
    This thread is now on it’s last legs. :-(
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,738
    killerandflash said:
    So we still have one loan slot unused, and don't need it for an emergency loan keeper
    Just cant use that now until January
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    killerandflash said:
    You can call Dobson a Pratley replacement, but the same could be said of Clare, as Pratley wasn't just a holding midfielder, he could do box to box as well 

    I wouldn't call Clare the Shinnie replacement, if anything his role as the creative passer and dead ball taker has been taken by Morgan.

    Clare if anything is an alternative to Gilbey who was our box to box midfielder last season
    It's their places in the squad, Clare has already played more than Shinnie did, under Adkins, there was no role for Shinnie. 
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,931
    Tbh I have lost track but Henderson signing has surprised me a bit. Surely we must be over the squad limit now ?
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,065
    AndyG said:
    Tbh I have lost track but Henderson signing has surprised me a bit. Surely we must be over the squad limit now ?
    Goalies don't count. 

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  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    AndyG said:
    Tbh I have lost track but Henderson signing has surprised me a bit. Surely we must be over the squad limit now ?
    Henderson doesn't count
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,931
    Ah ha tu
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,931
    Ty
  • Grapevine49
    Grapevine49 Posts: 998
    edited September 2021
    Neil_Heaney said:
    The Grapevine post basically says 

    - We had different targets over the summer. Some signed, some didn't
    - Some are younger so longer-term thinking
    - Some are shorter-term as we need to cover injuries and push up the league

    That could have summed it up pretty much. But it's less easy to drop in references to "business operational need," "corporate strategy" and his "career of building businesses" if it's not dressed up in the big essay ; ) 
    Probably the most facile comment I have ever read because all of it can be used to describe every operational organisation on the planet but ignores detail, interdependencies, context, timing, market influences and conditions, personnel, nuance, fundamental to each specific organisation.

    What book are you reading Project Management 101, where the first 6 pages of every project are the same?
  • Clarky
    Clarky Posts: 582
    edited September 2021
    Covered End said:
    AndyG said:
    Tbh I have lost track but Henderson signing has surprised me a bit. Surely we must be over the squad limit now ?
    Goalies don't count. 
    Think we are still one over even with goalies excluded. I expect JFC not to be included and we can then re-evaluate in January.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,978
    Cafc43v3r said:
    killerandflash said:
    You can call Dobson a Pratley replacement, but the same could be said of Clare, as Pratley wasn't just a holding midfielder, he could do box to box as well 

    I wouldn't call Clare the Shinnie replacement, if anything his role as the creative passer and dead ball taker has been taken by Morgan.

    Clare if anything is an alternative to Gilbey who was our box to box midfielder last season
    It's their places in the squad, Clare has already played more than Shinnie did, under Adkins, there was no role for Shinnie. 
    It was Gilbey who displaced Shinnie last season. 
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,918
    Neil_Heaney said:
    The Grapevine post basically says 

    - We had different targets over the summer. Some signed, some didn't
    - Some are younger so longer-term thinking
    - Some are shorter-term as we need to cover injuries and push up the league

    That could have summed it up pretty much. But it's less easy to drop in references to "business operational need," "corporate strategy" and his "career of building businesses" if it's not dressed up in the big essay ; ) 
    Precisely - some lap up all that corporate guff, others see through it
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,391
    It’s war. 
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,675

  • Grapevine49
    Grapevine49 Posts: 998
    DOUCHER said:
    Neil_Heaney said:
    The Grapevine post basically says 

    - We had different targets over the summer. Some signed, some didn't
    - Some are younger so longer-term thinking
    - Some are shorter-term as we need to cover injuries and push up the league

    That could have summed it up pretty much. But it's less easy to drop in references to "business operational need," "corporate strategy" and his "career of building businesses" if it's not dressed up in the big essay ; ) 
    Precisely - some lap up all that corporate guff, others see through it
    See through what exactly?

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  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,532
    JamesSeed said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    Scoham said:
    I could see one of Dobson or Clare going on loan in January if they’re not getting game time and JFCs recovery is on track.
    Why Dobson done more then enough to be a first team choice and Clare can play number of roles 
    No he hasn’t. Excluding the Papa John’s game, which doesn’t count. 
    If Dobson who was MOM v Wigan had not been taken off we would not have lost that game that was match changing moment .. and he was one of the better players v Sheff Wed 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited September 2021
    RonnieMoore said:
    JamesSeed said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    Scoham said:
    I could see one of Dobson or Clare going on loan in January if they’re not getting game time and JFCs recovery is on track.
    Why Dobson done more then enough to be a first team choice and Clare can play number of roles 
    No he hasn’t. Excluding the Papa John’s game, which doesn’t count. 
    If Dobson who was MOM v Wigan had not been taken off we would not have lost that game that was match changing moment .. and he was one of the better players v Sheff Wed 
    This MOM....



    86 people gave their marks, 1 gave him MOM.  I wonder who that was...... 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,836
    edited September 2021
    To be fair to Mr. Ronnie, the game was 0-0 before Dobson went off. 

    I think that overall Statbank mark for Dobson is a bit harsh and he has already become something of a scapegoat. 

    As soon as he was subbed and we went 4-4-2, Wigan ripped through us twice.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Callumcafc said:
    To be fair to Mr. Ronnie, the game was 0-0 before Dobson went off. 

    I think that overall Statbank mark for Dobson is a bit harsh and he has already become something of a scapegoat. 

    As soon as he was subbed and we went 4-4-2, Wigan ripped through us twice.
    And we could have been 4-0 down by then as well. 
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    DOUCHER said:
    Neil_Heaney said:
    The Grapevine post basically says 

    - We had different targets over the summer. Some signed, some didn't
    - Some are younger so longer-term thinking
    - Some are shorter-term as we need to cover injuries and push up the league

    That could have summed it up pretty much. But it's less easy to drop in references to "business operational need," "corporate strategy" and his "career of building businesses" if it's not dressed up in the big essay ; ) 
    Precisely - some lap up all that corporate guff, others see through it
    I know who I would prefer directing my business for me and it certainly wouldn't be you.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,918
    Grapevine49 said:
    DOUCHER said:
    Neil_Heaney said:
    The Grapevine post basically says 

    - We had different targets over the summer. Some signed, some didn't
    - Some are younger so longer-term thinking
    - Some are shorter-term as we need to cover injuries and push up the league

    That could have summed it up pretty much. But it's less easy to drop in references to "business operational need," "corporate strategy" and his "career of building businesses" if it's not dressed up in the big essay ; ) 
    Precisely - some lap up all that corporate guff, others see through it
    See through what exactly?
    We've tried to sign a few younger players who may or may not grow in value, we've stopped loaning potential premier league stars who we help add value to for premier league teams and then we've added some more guaranteed talent who we may be able to buy if we go up - that's it in a nutshell really - i don't think any of it is half as complicated / strategic etc etc as you try to paint it - its a football club !!! We will still end up selling our top up and coming talent until we reach a level that matches their potential and we will be scrapping around with the other 30 or 40 clubs of our size trying to cobble a team together that might get us there in the meantime. 
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,918
    Addickted said:
    DOUCHER said:
    Neil_Heaney said:
    The Grapevine post basically says 

    - We had different targets over the summer. Some signed, some didn't
    - Some are younger so longer-term thinking
    - Some are shorter-term as we need to cover injuries and push up the league

    That could have summed it up pretty much. But it's less easy to drop in references to "business operational need," "corporate strategy" and his "career of building businesses" if it's not dressed up in the big essay ; ) 
    Precisely - some lap up all that corporate guff, others see through it
    I know who I would prefer directing my business for me and it certainly wouldn't be you.
    i'm devastated 
  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    JamesSeed said:
    Pelling1993 said:
    Probably not best to use the quote function on those, apologies! 
    The edit function is your friend. 
    Excellent post as ever from Grapevine. Anyone who’s just waking up from a coma and who wishes to replicate the experience could save an enormous amount of time by reading it and ignoring everything else. 👍

  • Bolderhumphreyreid
    Bolderhumphreyreid Posts: 2,556
    Grapevine49 said:
    DOUCHER said:
    Neil_Heaney said:
    The Grapevine post basically says 

    - We had different targets over the summer. Some signed, some didn't
    - Some are younger so longer-term thinking
    - Some are shorter-term as we need to cover injuries and push up the league

    That could have summed it up pretty much. But it's less easy to drop in references to "business operational need," "corporate strategy" and his "career of building businesses" if it's not dressed up in the big essay ; ) 
    Precisely - some lap up all that corporate guff, others see through it
    See through what exactly?
    4 words.

    The world’s gone mad.
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