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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)
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Cafc43v3r said:Henry Irving said:SomervilleAddick said:Here’s the squad listCharlton Athletic - In Squad Players Player1 Arter, Harry Nicholas2 Blackett-Taylor, Corey Josiah Paul3 Clare, Sean James Kweku4 Davison, Joshua Michael Blainey5 Dobson, George David6 Famewo, Akinlolu Richard7 Gilbey, Alexander Scott8 Gunter, Christopher Ross9 Inniss, Ryan Stuart Clayton10 Jaiyesimi, Diallang11 Kirk, Charlie David12 Lavelle, Samuel Mark13 Lee, Elliot Robert14 Leko Kisolokele, Jonathan15 Matthews, Adam James16 Nielsen, Ronnie Schwartz17 Pearce, Jason Daniel18 Purrington, Ben19 Souare, Pape Ndiaye20 Stockley, Jayden Connor21 Washington, Conor James22 Watson, BenCharlton Athletic - Under 21 Contract Players Player1 Agyemang, Terrell Nana Obeng2 Aouachria, Wassim Chouaib3 Appiah, Jimmy Akumi4 Bakrin, Nazir Oladayo Temitope Olajide5 Barker, Charlie Mel6 Burstow, Mason Paul James7 Campbell, Tyreece Anthony Tupac Shakur8 Chin, Richard Li Hua9 Clayden, Charles James10 French, Billy11 Gavin, Dylan John12 Ghandour, Hady Ismael13 Harness, Nathan Connor14 Harvey, Nathan Michael15 Henry, Aaron Lewis16 Morgan, Albie Robert17 Ness, Lucas Benjamin18 Oguntayo, Samuel Omotayo19 Powell, Johl Cameron20 Roddy, Jacob Gerard21 Santos Hurtado, Jeremy Andres22 Vennings, James Frederick23 Viggars, Ryan James24 Williams, Euan Leslie
Also, I went to school with a poor sod called Peter Ian Michael Malcolm Robert McLaurin.PS Quick, sign Deji.0 -
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MattF said:2
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It does sound very similar to the model Southampton used when Les Read was there. Who does have quite a similar back ground to Roddy.
Also intresting that Roddy was talking to Thomas about this before he had bought the club.
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MattF said:16
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kentaddick said:Where’s Ronnie Schwartz? Club needs to make a statement imo. Him being left out for one reason or another is fine, but to not be in the squad, and he has 2 years left to run on his contract.
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Cafc43v3r said:MattF said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhlx43rTs2Q
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Pelling1993 said:Cafc43v3r said:MattF said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhlx43rTs2Q
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I've been digging around in my puddings for years. Never found any proof. Not a scintilla. Its a crock of shit.0
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Also no Beadle or Kanu on the list both of whom are 17 I think so same age as some that are...
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KiwiValley said:I've been digging around in my puddings for years. Never found any proof. Not a scintilla. Its a crock of shit.You should try eating it instead.0
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Athletico Charlton said:Also no Beadle or Kanu on the list both of whom are 17 I think so same age as some that are...
Equally, whilst his family are Charlton supporters, I can't help thinking that the fact that we let his older brother, Harry, go this year will only serve to reinforce any feeling that there is no sentiment in football,1 -
Sage said:Something that ought to be asked to Gallen and Roddy next week. Having young Deji signed up to a long term deal should now be a priority.
As soon as Burstow got into the first team squad he signed a pro deal, yet months after Deji burst onto the scene in pre-season he still hasn't signed anything.1 -
Addick Addict said:Athletico Charlton said:Also no Beadle or Kanu on the list both of whom are 17 I think so same age as some that are...
Equally, whilst his family are Charlton supporters, I can't help thinking that the fact that we let his older brother, Harry, go this year will only serve to reinforce any feeling that there is no sentiment in football,
I do think the least they could do is sign their first professional contract, they owe the club that IMO and I for one would be very disappointed if they didn't.
They will know that each one that doesn't must make the likes of TS wonder if an academy is worth it so their actions could impact future kids chances.
As for someone like Deji he has a huge opportunity with us. At 17 he has already got game time, he will likely get more this season and I would not be at all surprised if Innis remains injury prone and Deji carries on improving that he could be first choice next season. At 18. As a CB. Go to a PL club he will kick around with kids before being loaned out for 3,4 years+.
Gomez was a Rolls Royce with every club chasing him but realised the club had been good to him and gave back.
I hope this crop of kids do the same.10 -
Athletico Charlton said:Also no Beadle or Kanu on the list both of whom are 17 I think so same age as some that are...0
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I tend to agree but that is a fan's point of view its easy for us to say this - take James Beadle - He and family are big supporters but he's seen a very exp[erienced goalkeeping coach replaced by Ged Roddy's mate who was the millwall academy coach, he's seen AMB get a crap loan move where he is sitting on the bench and he is likely being offered a paltry deal which will be fractions of what he is likely being offered at a premier league club who will have top class coaching and access to very good loan opportunities. Thats the reality - his brother is doing well at Colchester and we will regret letting him go.5
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Athletico Charlton said:Addick Addict said:Athletico Charlton said:Also no Beadle or Kanu on the list both of whom are 17 I think so same age as some that are...
Equally, whilst his family are Charlton supporters, I can't help thinking that the fact that we let his older brother, Harry, go this year will only serve to reinforce any feeling that there is no sentiment in football,
I do think the least they could do is sign their first professional contract, they owe the club that IMO and I for one would be very disappointed if they didn't.
They will know that each one that doesn't must make the likes of TS wonder if an academy is worth it so their actions could impact future kids chances.
As for someone like Deji he has a huge opportunity with us. At 17 he has already got game time, he will likely get more this season and I would not be at all surprised if Innis remains injury prone and Deji carries on improving that he could be first choice next season. At 18. As a CB. Go to a PL club he will kick around with kids before being loaned out for 3,4 years+.
Gomez was a Rolls Royce with every club chasing him but realised the club had been good to him and gave back.
I hope this crop of kids do the same.
The agent always gets the blame but Joe could have said no. Its never as clear cut.0 -
Cafc43v3r said:Athletico Charlton said:Addick Addict said:Athletico Charlton said:Also no Beadle or Kanu on the list both of whom are 17 I think so same age as some that are...
Equally, whilst his family are Charlton supporters, I can't help thinking that the fact that we let his older brother, Harry, go this year will only serve to reinforce any feeling that there is no sentiment in football,
I do think the least they could do is sign their first professional contract, they owe the club that IMO and I for one would be very disappointed if they didn't.
They will know that each one that doesn't must make the likes of TS wonder if an academy is worth it so their actions could impact future kids chances.
As for someone like Deji he has a huge opportunity with us. At 17 he has already got game time, he will likely get more this season and I would not be at all surprised if Innis remains injury prone and Deji carries on improving that he could be first choice next season. At 18. As a CB. Go to a PL club he will kick around with kids before being loaned out for 3,4 years+.
Gomez was a Rolls Royce with every club chasing him but realised the club had been good to him and gave back.
I hope this crop of kids do the same.
The agent always gets the blame but Joe could have said no. Its never as clear cut.1 - Sponsored links:
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Athletico Charlton said:Cafc43v3r said:Athletico Charlton said:Addick Addict said:Athletico Charlton said:Also no Beadle or Kanu on the list both of whom are 17 I think so same age as some that are...
Equally, whilst his family are Charlton supporters, I can't help thinking that the fact that we let his older brother, Harry, go this year will only serve to reinforce any feeling that there is no sentiment in football,
I do think the least they could do is sign their first professional contract, they owe the club that IMO and I for one would be very disappointed if they didn't.
They will know that each one that doesn't must make the likes of TS wonder if an academy is worth it so their actions could impact future kids chances.
As for someone like Deji he has a huge opportunity with us. At 17 he has already got game time, he will likely get more this season and I would not be at all surprised if Innis remains injury prone and Deji carries on improving that he could be first choice next season. At 18. As a CB. Go to a PL club he will kick around with kids before being loaned out for 3,4 years+.
Gomez was a Rolls Royce with every club chasing him but realised the club had been good to him and gave back.
I hope this crop of kids do the same.
The agent always gets the blame but Joe could have said no. Its never as clear cut.
The agent isn't going to dump a 17 year old that could be worth a fortune over their first contract. If they do the player is better off without them anyway.2 -
the agent is there to open the players eyes to all the opportunities and negotiate the deals - its the players decision but will be based on the agents advice so the advice and the accuracy and motivation behind it is key
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DOUCHER said:I tend to agree but that is a fan's point of view its easy for us to say this - take James Beadle - He and family are big supporters but he's seen a very exp[erienced goalkeeping coach replaced by Ged Roddy's mate who was the millwall academy coach, he's seen AMB get a crap loan move where he is sitting on the bench and he is likely being offered a paltry deal which will be fractions of what he is likely being offered at a premier league club who will have top class coaching and access to very good loan opportunities. Thats the reality - his brother is doing well at Colchester and we will regret letting him go.0
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lancashire lad said:DOUCHER said:I tend to agree but that is a fan's point of view its easy for us to say this - take James Beadle - He and family are big supporters but he's seen a very exp[erienced goalkeeping coach replaced by Ged Roddy's mate who was the millwall academy coach, he's seen AMB get a crap loan move where he is sitting on the bench and he is likely being offered a paltry deal which will be fractions of what he is likely being offered at a premier league club who will have top class coaching and access to very good loan opportunities. Thats the reality - his brother is doing well at Colchester and we will regret letting him go.2
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Athletico Charlton said:Addick Addict said:Athletico Charlton said:Also no Beadle or Kanu on the list both of whom are 17 I think so same age as some that are...
Equally, whilst his family are Charlton supporters, I can't help thinking that the fact that we let his older brother, Harry, go this year will only serve to reinforce any feeling that there is no sentiment in football,
I do think the least they could do is sign their first professional contract, they owe the club that IMO and I for one would be very disappointed if they didn't.
They will know that each one that doesn't must make the likes of TS wonder if an academy is worth it so their actions could impact future kids chances.
As for someone like Deji he has a huge opportunity with us. At 17 he has already got game time, he will likely get more this season and I would not be at all surprised if Innis remains injury prone and Deji carries on improving that he could be first choice next season. At 18. As a CB. Go to a PL club he will kick around with kids before being loaned out for 3,4 years+.
Gomez was a Rolls Royce with every club chasing him but realised the club had been good to him and gave back.
I hope this crop of kids do the same.
You also talk about Deji being loaned at by a PL club for 3 or 4 years. AMB signed for us at the age of 18. For 4 years he's been loaned out to other clubs and has yet, at the age of 22, to play a league game. Nick Pope didn't play a game for us 'til he was 22 either. Why shouldn't James Beadle do the same earning 10 times as much being at a PL club? Because history suggests that he won't play a game for us for another five years.
For that reason perhaps the Brentford system is the way forward.2 -
Addick Addict said:Athletico Charlton said:Addick Addict said:Athletico Charlton said:Also no Beadle or Kanu on the list both of whom are 17 I think so same age as some that are...
Equally, whilst his family are Charlton supporters, I can't help thinking that the fact that we let his older brother, Harry, go this year will only serve to reinforce any feeling that there is no sentiment in football,
I do think the least they could do is sign their first professional contract, they owe the club that IMO and I for one would be very disappointed if they didn't.
They will know that each one that doesn't must make the likes of TS wonder if an academy is worth it so their actions could impact future kids chances.
As for someone like Deji he has a huge opportunity with us. At 17 he has already got game time, he will likely get more this season and I would not be at all surprised if Innis remains injury prone and Deji carries on improving that he could be first choice next season. At 18. As a CB. Go to a PL club he will kick around with kids before being loaned out for 3,4 years+.
Gomez was a Rolls Royce with every club chasing him but realised the club had been good to him and gave back.
I hope this crop of kids do the same.
You also talk about Deji being loaned at by a PL club for 3 or 4 years. AMB signed for us at the age of 18. For 4 years he's been loaned out to other clubs and has yet, at the age of 22, to play a league game. Nick Pope didn't play a game for us 'til he was 22 either. Why shouldn't James Beadle do the same earning 10 times as much being at a PL club? Because history suggests that he won't play a game for us for another five years.
For that reason perhaps the Brentford system is the way forward.
I don't know the individual stories of these kids but their education with us is, in my view akin to going to university. You are given the best tools and chance for success but no one promises you anything at the end. Nowadays of course you have to pay for uni but on top of that, many ex graduates give serious monies back to their universities for the chances it afforded them in life and provide bursaries and help for future students. It is a massive part of their funding. Clubs produce wonderful players who become rich beyond their dreams and never give a single thing back to the very club that first have them that opportunity. I think that is poor.
I have said on here before, for me the fairest way is an additional tax on players wages which goes to the club that supported them. Set at a suitably high initial earning of course so not taxing those that end up in L1/2 and below whom frankly earn a moderate living out of the sport but once they are on something like a million a year. Probably breaks all employment law though!0 -
JamesSeed said:king addick said:11
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Always, always, always roll around until moist before attempting to root4
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Wheresmeticket? said:JamesSeed said:king addick said:0
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Okay, now we close it1
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