If you worked harder than any other employee at your organisation and had been the best performer there for the past few years, but your boss told you he didn't rate you and paid other employees (who put in less effort than you) better money, how long would you stick around?
Just because the last regime made a mistake overpaying players doesn’t mean we should add those mistakes by overpaying others when it’s time for contract renewal.
Agreed that he’s the best player at the club but not because he’s playing like a Championship calibre player, it’s because the players earning Championship calibre money haven’t been pulling their weight.
We had a valuation on how much a player of his ability was worth paying. His camp had a different valuation. That’s the business of football.
The current regime is making mistakes overpaying players that play worse than Dobson.
That hardly negates the point I’m making.
The money Dobson wants it sounds as though he can only get from a random club in Hungary. This isn’t a pre contract with a Championship club, or even another League One club.
We created plenty of problems for ourselves elsewhere but I think that fact probably tells us that, for this particular contract negotiation, the club got it right.
Utter nonsense. Captain. Player of the year and 2nd place player of the year the last two years. 26 years old so coming into his prime. Not worth 4K a week? Nonsense mate
Got a source on that number? I’d have guessed he was on about 4k per week on his last contract and if the rumours of a small increase are true…
Yep, Mick Dobson
I am not ITK, but I was told this by another fan in Crossbars, about a month ago. it is alleged that Fraser is on £10,000, and Dobbo is on about £4000. He would be happy to sign However, the contract he was offered was for a measly small increase amount. I was told by another person as well. The person i know in Crossbars indicated that this info came directly from Dobbo's Dad. What I was told he was offered on a new contract I thought "The club are taking the piss". When Fraser is on £10,000 and Dobbo is on £4000 and what he was offered. (I can't remember the exact figure, but if they offered him a decent contract he would have signed).
Club captain and best midfielder we have, what an awful time to let/push (depending on what side of fence you sit) him out the door. He might not be the most talented player in the world but he’s a bloody good league 1 player and if we are lucky that’s where we will end this season, we’ve made it much harder by not keeping him in my opinion. Wonder how this impacts the mood in the squad, always looked for instance like him and Alfie were good mates
Club captain and best midfielder we have, what an awful time to let/push (depending on what side of fence you sit) him out the door. He might not be the most talented player in the world but he’s a bloody good league 1 player and if we are lucky that’s where we will end this season, we’ve made it much harder by not keeping him in my opinion. Wonder how this impacts the mood in the squad, always looked for instance like him and Alfie were good mates
Won’t affect it players come and go .. all the time .
I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when AS advised Dobbo that he was an average L1 player.
What an utter bellend ! And what a credit to our club ...NOT !
I wonder whether those who feel that George made his decision based on the wage increase offered, read that he would have still have been earning considerably less than T. Watson ...
Just think about what you witnessed at Reading this afternoon.
The "performance " of said player merited that differential, did he ?
This issue says FAR more about out main recruiter than it does about our ex 100%er.
Genuinely interested to know if people would be more or less annoyed if he'd gone to the Championship in January?
I’m not annoyed now. I find it all a bit bizarre to be honest. If Scott doesn’t rate Dobbo as good enough for a team that wants to be challenging for promotion that’s his call and he’ll be judged on it but from Dobbo’s point of view why not just sit out your contract and surely at worst you’d get another league one club in the summer. Going to Hungary is just odd and it’s not as if he can be forced out, he’s under contract. I think there is more at play here than we know of.
I could see an interview coming with the SLP in the next few weeks that will be very interesting.
But you bring up a good point Large and one I've been trying to hammer home: no one can make him leave now. It's ultimately his choice.
The only way this makes sense for Dobbo in my mind is if he feels like Fehervar are offering him a lot more (at least in real wages) than he thinks he'll get in the UK. I could see him being offered something similar to what he's on/was offered by Charlton in either lower L1, L2, or Scotland in the summer when he'd be joining on a free.
So hopefully there's something in it for him in Hungary, otherwise maybe it's a weird agent-driven move.
It surely means we have NOT invested in the squad on net terms rather we are in credit or net nil.
It conflicts with the apparent investment on Jones.
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I can't imagine the fee for Dobbo is very high. I can't imagine his and CBT's fees cover half of Coventry 's, let alone Gillesphey, REG, and Ramsay.
The money has been spent, the question is "has it been spent well?"
Is there actually any knowledge of a fee for Coventry? Still not convinced we paid much, if anything - West Ham were at pains in their statement to point out the fact his contract was nearly up, and that there was a sell-on. Given the sell-on was apparently Sheff Wednesday's issue, it might be that it's a significant percentage sell-on rather than much on the fee?
Imagine watching spineless performances like that and then shoving Dobson out the door early.
He not , he was offered a deal wanted 3 years that’s his call to make ….
Ronnie, you don't know the full story. It wasn't just the 3 year contract. It was what he was offered moneywise on a new contract. Get your facts right. He was offered a "small increase" which was pittance and his currently salary is nowhere some of the other players. Right now I am angry with with Scott and the club. They should have offered a higher wage increase. He is our Captain for fucks sake and always gives 200%. You don't lose your flipping captain in the middle of a relegation dogfight. You need players like him. We have no leaders in the team. We didn't have any before but he was the only one and May who gave their all and our best creative players has left. We are fucked and going down.
I think it was pretty clear that the club (Scott) didn’t want him and that Coventry was signed to replace him. Believe the contract situation reflected that.
Club captain and best midfielder we have, what an awful time to let/push (depending on what side of fence you sit) him out the door. He might not be the most talented player in the world but he’s a bloody good league 1 player and if we are lucky that’s where we will end this season, we’ve made it much harder by not keeping him in my opinion. Wonder how this impacts the mood in the squad, always looked for instance like him and Alfie were good mates
Won’t affect it players come and go .. all the time .
Are you really winding me up? It doesn't have an affect? He was the only 200% player. The one name you would put on this team sheet. As we are likely to go down, he would be have been ok in Division 2.
Why make him train with the U23s? The club has shown him no respect
Perhaps GD couldn’t control himself and called Scott a C you next Tuesday. More likely that he was told to go now so the club could get a fee and would be training with the youth until the end of the season if not.
Club captain and best midfielder we have, what an awful time to let/push (depending on what side of fence you sit) him out the door. He might not be the most talented player in the world but he’s a bloody good league 1 player and if we are lucky that’s where we will end this season, we’ve made it much harder by not keeping him in my opinion. Wonder how this impacts the mood in the squad, always looked for instance like him and Alfie were good mates
Won’t affect it players come and go .. all the time .
Are you really winding me up? It doesn't have an affect? He was the only 200% player. The one name you would put on this team sheet. As we are likely to go down, he would be have been ok in Division 2.
I'm assuming by Division 2 you actually mean Division 4/League 2? Dobson does not deserve to play in that lower division with the garbage players currently wearing our shirt. I get the feeling that Alfie May is starting to feel that he doesn't deserve it either.
Club captain and best midfielder we have, what an awful time to let/push (depending on what side of fence you sit) him out the door. He might not be the most talented player in the world but he’s a bloody good league 1 player and if we are lucky that’s where we will end this season, we’ve made it much harder by not keeping him in my opinion. Wonder how this impacts the mood in the squad, always looked for instance like him and Alfie were good mates
Won’t affect it players come and go .. all the time .
Are you really winding me up? It doesn't have an affect? He was the only 200% player. The one name you would put on this team sheet. As we are likely to go down, he would be have been ok in Division 2.
I'm assuming by Division 2 you actually mean Division 4/League 2? Dobson does not deserve to play in that lower division with the garbage players currently wearing our shirt. I get the feeling that Alfie May is starting to feel that he doesn't deserve it either.
Exactly my view too. Alfie May doesn’t have that same fire and imagine there are a few that are just done and that makes for toxic dressing room and more lacklustre performances. NJ isn’t a miracle worker unfortunately
Club captain and best midfielder we have, what an awful time to let/push (depending on what side of fence you sit) him out the door. He might not be the most talented player in the world but he’s a bloody good league 1 player and if we are lucky that’s where we will end this season, we’ve made it much harder by not keeping him in my opinion. Wonder how this impacts the mood in the squad, always looked for instance like him and Alfie were good mates
Won’t affect it players come and go .. all the time .
Are you really winding me up? It doesn't have an affect? He was the only 200% player. The one name you would put on this team sheet. As we are likely to go down, he would be have been ok in Division 2.
I'm assuming by Division 2 you actually mean Division 4/League 2? Dobson does not deserve to play in that lower division with the garbage players currently wearing our shirt. I get the feeling that Alfie May is starting to feel that he doesn't deserve it either.
Exactly my view too. Alfie May doesn’t have that same fire and imagine there are a few that are just done and that makes for toxic dressing room and more lacklustre performances. NJ isn’t a miracle worker unfortunately
If May goes on a dry goal spell we're basically down.
It surely means we have NOT invested in the squad on net terms rather we are in credit or net nil.
It conflicts with the apparent investment on Jones.
??
I can't imagine the fee for Dobbo is very high. I can't imagine his and CBT's fees cover half of Coventry 's, let alone Gillesphey, REG, and Ramsay.
The money has been spent, the question is "has it been spent well?"
Is there actually any knowledge of a fee for Coventry? Still not convinced we paid much, if anything - West Ham were at pains in their statement to point out the fact his contract was nearly up, and that there was a sell-on. Given the sell-on was apparently Sheff Wednesday's issue, it might be that it's a significant percentage sell-on rather than much on the fee?
Even though out of contract in the summer wouldn’t Wet Spam have been due around 300k development fee for him?
Club captain and best midfielder we have, what an awful time to let/push (depending on what side of fence you sit) him out the door. He might not be the most talented player in the world but he’s a bloody good league 1 player and if we are lucky that’s where we will end this season, we’ve made it much harder by not keeping him in my opinion. Wonder how this impacts the mood in the squad, always looked for instance like him and Alfie were good mates
Won’t affect it players come and go .. all the time .
Are you really winding me up? It doesn't have an affect? He was the only 200% player. The one name you would put on this team sheet. As we are likely to go down, he would be have been ok in Division 2.
I'm assuming by Division 2 you actually mean Division 4/League 2? Dobson does not deserve to play in that lower division with the garbage players currently wearing our shirt. I get the feeling that Alfie May is starting to feel that he doesn't deserve it either.
Exactly my view too. Alfie May doesn’t have that same fire and imagine there are a few that are just done and that makes for toxic dressing room and more lacklustre performances. NJ isn’t a miracle worker unfortunately
If May goes on a dry goal spell we're basically down.
Club captain and best midfielder we have, what an awful time to let/push (depending on what side of fence you sit) him out the door. He might not be the most talented player in the world but he’s a bloody good league 1 player and if we are lucky that’s where we will end this season, we’ve made it much harder by not keeping him in my opinion. Wonder how this impacts the mood in the squad, always looked for instance like him and Alfie were good mates
Won’t affect it players come and go .. all the time .
Are you really winding me up? It doesn't have an affect? He was the only 200% player. The one name you would put on this team sheet. As we are likely to go down, he would be have been ok in Division 2.
I'm assuming by Division 2 you actually mean Division 4/League 2? Dobson does not deserve to play in that lower division with the garbage players currently wearing our shirt. I get the feeling that Alfie May is starting to feel that he doesn't deserve it either.
Exactly my view too. Alfie May doesn’t have that same fire and imagine there are a few that are just done and that makes for toxic dressing room and more lacklustre performances. NJ isn’t a miracle worker unfortunately
If May goes on a dry goal spell we're basically down.
Club captain and best midfielder we have, what an awful time to let/push (depending on what side of fence you sit) him out the door. He might not be the most talented player in the world but he’s a bloody good league 1 player and if we are lucky that’s where we will end this season, we’ve made it much harder by not keeping him in my opinion. Wonder how this impacts the mood in the squad, always looked for instance like him and Alfie were good mates
Won’t affect it players come and go .. all the time .
Are you really winding me up? It doesn't have an affect? He was the only 200% player. The one name you would put on this team sheet. As we are likely to go down, he would be have been ok in Division 2.
I'm assuming by Division 2 you actually mean Division 4/League 2? Dobson does not deserve to play in that lower division with the garbage players currently wearing our shirt. I get the feeling that Alfie May is starting to feel that he doesn't deserve it either.
Exactly my view too. Alfie May doesn’t have that same fire and imagine there are a few that are just done and that makes for toxic dressing room and more lacklustre performances. NJ isn’t a miracle worker unfortunately
If May goes on a dry goal spell we're basically down.
Club captain and best midfielder we have, what an awful time to let/push (depending on what side of fence you sit) him out the door. He might not be the most talented player in the world but he’s a bloody good league 1 player and if we are lucky that’s where we will end this season, we’ve made it much harder by not keeping him in my opinion. Wonder how this impacts the mood in the squad, always looked for instance like him and Alfie were good mates
Won’t affect it players come and go .. all the time .
Are you really winding me up? It doesn't have an affect? He was the only 200% player. The one name you would put on this team sheet. As we are likely to go down, he would be have been ok in Division 2.
I'm assuming by Division 2 you actually mean Division 4/League 2? Dobson does not deserve to play in that lower division with the garbage players currently wearing our shirt. I get the feeling that Alfie May is starting to feel that he doesn't deserve it either.
It surely means we have NOT invested in the squad on net terms rather we are in credit or net nil.
It conflicts with the apparent investment on Jones.
??
I can't imagine the fee for Dobbo is very high. I can't imagine his and CBT's fees cover half of Coventry 's, let alone Gillesphey, REG, and Ramsay.
The money has been spent, the question is "has it been spent well?"
Coventry had 6m on his contract. We agreed a very large sell on but I reckon paid maybe £250K upfront. REG, Ramsey and Gillesphy, what £250K tops. So £500K out. CBT £300K; Dobbo £100K? All guess work but I suspect our outgoings and incomings re fees were pretty similar. With Dobbo gone we also moved 10 players out and bought 9 in. So wages net probably about the same. I think the Jan window was shit and a lot of smoke and mirrors to suggest we paid substantially more than we bought in/saved.
Selling your captain and player with the most heart and a proper tackler and battler at this stage in the season for what will be comparative buttons is probably the worst decision this club has made in years. Reading posters in here say how limited he is and how we don't need tacklers just defies belief for me. Our chances of relegation have just increased dramatically. The psychological impact of this on our squad will be huge imo. Gutted. Am off to back us for relegation. This club is a joke.
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Could there already be a bit of bad blood between the two?
He might not be the most talented player in the world but he’s a bloody good league 1 player and if we are lucky that’s where we will end this season, we’ve made it much harder by not keeping him in my opinion.
Wonder how this impacts the mood in the squad, always looked for instance like him and Alfie were good mates
I can't imagine the fee for Dobbo is very high. I can't imagine his and CBT's fees cover half of Coventry 's, let alone Gillesphey, REG, and Ramsay.
The money has been spent, the question is "has it been spent well?"
the time .
What an utter bellend ! And what a credit to our club ...NOT !
I wonder whether those who feel that George made his decision based on the wage increase offered, read that he would have still have been earning considerably less than T. Watson ...
Just think about what you witnessed at Reading this afternoon.
The "performance " of said player merited that differential, did he ?
This issue says FAR more about out main recruiter than it does about our ex 100%er.
The whole thing stinks.
But you bring up a good point Large and one I've been trying to hammer home: no one can make him leave now. It's ultimately his choice.
The only way this makes sense for Dobbo in my mind is if he feels like Fehervar are offering him a lot more (at least in real wages) than he thinks he'll get in the UK. I could see him being offered something similar to what he's on/was offered by Charlton in either lower L1, L2, or Scotland in the summer when he'd be joining on a free.
So hopefully there's something in it for him in Hungary, otherwise maybe it's a weird agent-driven move.
The club has shown him no respect
Dobson does not deserve to play in that lower division with the garbage players currently wearing our shirt.
I get the feeling that Alfie May is starting to feel that he doesn't deserve it either.
Coventry had 6m on his contract. We agreed a very large sell on but I reckon paid maybe £250K upfront. REG, Ramsey and Gillesphy, what £250K tops. So £500K out.
CBT £300K; Dobbo £100K?
All guess work but I suspect our outgoings and incomings re fees were pretty similar.
With Dobbo gone we also moved 10 players out and bought 9 in. So wages net probably about the same.
I think the Jan window was shit and a lot of smoke and mirrors to suggest we paid substantially more than we bought in/saved.
Reading posters in here say how limited he is and how we don't need tacklers just defies belief for me. Our chances of relegation have just increased dramatically. The psychological impact of this on our squad will be huge imo.
Gutted.
Am off to back us for relegation. This club is a joke.