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Being called a racist on Saturday.
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I don't any more and yes, one of the instances was in SA by another white person; an Afrikaner. Another was in .Pakistan, where I can assure you I was very much in the minority.Leuth said:Princess Fiona lives in SA, which is its own colossal clusterfuck of race relations, tbf to her
But my point about being shut down previously elsewhere CL, not sure if I have referred to this previously on here, but may have on the Harry and Megan thread) was that when I had said I had some understanding of being the recipient of racism, but I was shut down (rudely and dismissively I might add) was it was assumed I couldn't have, as am white. The circs were not even asked about.
The dangers os assumptions - on all side, that is4 -
You need to stop assuming things without know anything about people. You have no idea about my race, my lived experience or my back ground. I do not need a lecture from you about speaking to members of a community that I have lived with and amongst for most of my life.Leuth said:
No, but it's worth talking with/reading/listening to members of a community before claiming it's unlikely they've ever been racially abused. Whether the antagonist here was genuinely mentally unwell or (as seems incredibly unlikely to me) lying through their teeth to cause drama (at work? in front of colleagues/witnesses?), I find it next to impossible that they've led a life free of racial abuse. The hairtrigger response to WIWLB standing his ground doesn't just happen. I regret claiming that they'd probably been racially abused by fans, and I regret asking for the other side to the story (although I only did so for wanting to know how the misunderstanding occurred) but in wider society the widespread experience of black Britons is fairly common abuse and that is simply factual.Cafc43v3r said:
Are you a black Briton?Leuth said:
If the steward is a black Briton, yes I doblackpool72 said:
What a load of bollox.Leuth said:
I mean that the steward probably has been racially abused by fans quite often down the years, and saw something in your manner that triggered that response. Not necessarily your fault, but in these cases I think it's best to back down. It's a sad situation really. He probably has something not dissimilar to PTSD. Arguably that would make him unsuited to stewarding, but equally, everyone has the right to employment and it's probably something he's done for a while. As I say, in such cases, back down and avoid trouble and nobody gets yelled at.WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Historical associations ? I have never seen the steward in my life, and don't eves sit in this block, went there for the second half so the kids can see their grandad.Leuth said:
Maybe not the other side to it so much as knowing how it actually went down. I suppose we have to take the narrator at his word and it does seem like the steward may have reacted based on historical associations rather than the reality of the situation, but if I started on about microaggressions we'd be here all day socafcdave123 said:
Why?Leuth said:Kinda want the other side to this story
Do you find it hard to believe that someone was wrongly accused of racism or are you suggesting WIWLB did do something racist?
comes across quite shitty imo
For the record i will swear on my kids life that the events are 100 per cent true, and i would welcome a sit down with the club, steward, his employee to get the facts put in place. The stigma that someone can call you racist when you haven't done nothing doesn't sit right with me, and the proof was in your initial response.
You have absolutely no idea wheather the steward has ever been racially abused or not.
You are inventing things to try and prove something that has probably never happened.
You also need to learn the difference between being a ally and a self appointed spokes man. One will be a source of much gratitude, you can guess which one it's is.18 -
I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past0
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But he should know the difference and should be called to account if he has wrongly called someone a racist for zero reason. All sorts of people can be verbally and physically abused for all sorts of reasons, but it is no reason to wrongly accuse someone of such serious matterLeuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past1 -
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Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.Leuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.3 -
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bitWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.Leuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.0 -
It seems that you are still questioning @whe@WhenIwasLittleBoyLeuth said:
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bitWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.Leuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.
You clearly do not accept what he is saying.3 -
No, I accept the story as it's been told. I just don't remotely understand why anyone would act like that short of an actual psychological condition, in which case they'd need help more than censureElfsborgAddick said:
It seems that you are still questioning @whe@WhenIwasLittleBoyLeuth said:
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bitWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.Leuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.
You clearly do not accept what he is saying.1 -
Your the man with the answers….what I can say and felt it would be unfair of me to stereotype, but he had a chip on his shoulder and was clearly someone who was confrontational. Would you really go and confront someone and continue to be abusive in front of your boss, and when he tells you to leave you continue to provoke? When your colleagues try to move you on you tell them to get their hands off you.Leuth said:
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bitWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.Leuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.
The hard facts are is that is not the run of the mill steward and to call me a racist in front of my daughter and you are making excuses for him then I think you need to have a look at yourself9 -
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They chilled on Sunday….guinnessaddick said:Being called a racist on Saturday.
Craig David lyrics?1 -
Have you never just been in a shit mood and been a bit of an arsehole to someone?Leuth said:
No, I accept the story as it's been told. I just don't remotely understand why anyone would act like that short of an actual psychological condition, in which case they'd need help more than censureElfsborgAddick said:
It seems that you are still questioning @whe@WhenIwasLittleBoyLeuth said:
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bitWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.Leuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.
You clearly do not accept what he is saying.
There doesn’t always have to be some deep-set reason or psychological back story.14 -
WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Your the man with the answers….what I can say and felt it would be unfair of me to stereotype, but he had a chip on his shoulder and was clearly someone who was confrontational. Would you really go and confront someone and continue to be abusive in front of your boss, and when he tells you to leave you continue to provoke? When your colleagues try to move you on you tell them to get their hands off you.Leuth said:
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bitWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.Leuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.
The hard facts are is that is not the run of the mill steward and to call me a racist in front of my daughter and you are making excuses for him then I think you need to have a look at yourself
What response were you hoping for when you started this thread?
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No there's no excuse but he sounds like a mess and I was just trying to imagine why he'd have such a strong reaction. As has been repeatedly stated here though, I shouldn't assume anything. He probably won't be back for the next game and we can all get on with it.WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Your the man with the answers….what I can say and felt it would be unfair of me to stereotype, but he had a chip on his shoulder and was clearly someone who was confrontational. Would you really go and confront someone and continue to be abusive in front of your boss, and when he tells you to leave you continue to provoke? When your colleagues try to move you on you tell them to get their hands off you.Leuth said:
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bitWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.Leuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.
The hard facts are is that is not the run of the mill steward and to call me a racist in front of my daughter and you are making excuses for him then I think you need to have a look at yourself0 -
A sensible oneWheresmeticket? said:WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Your the man with the answers….what I can say and felt it would be unfair of me to stereotype, but he had a chip on his shoulder and was clearly someone who was confrontational. Would you really go and confront someone and continue to be abusive in front of your boss, and when he tells you to leave you continue to provoke? When your colleagues try to move you on you tell them to get their hands off you.Leuth said:
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bitWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.Leuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.
The hard facts are is that is not the run of the mill steward and to call me a racist in front of my daughter and you are making excuses for him then I think you need to have a look at yourself
What response were you hoping for when you started this thread?2 -
You obviously haven't followed your own advice and spoken to and listened to the community. False claims of racism are far, far, to common. They do nothing to foward the anti racist cause. They are heavily fround apon by the community as they devalue the very real racism that exists.Leuth said:
No, I accept the story as it's been told. I just don't remotely understand why anyone would act like that short of an actual psychological condition, in which case they'd need help more than censureElfsborgAddick said:
It seems that you are still questioning @whe@WhenIwasLittleBoyLeuth said:
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bitWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.Leuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.
You clearly do not accept what he is saying.
I have just realised I have assumed the person involved is black only because you said "if he was a black britton".1 -
Not in such a sustained and bizarre manner. This thread notwithstandingSuedeAdidas said:
Have you never just been in a shit mood and been a bit of an arsehole to someone?Leuth said:
No, I accept the story as it's been told. I just don't remotely understand why anyone would act like that short of an actual psychological condition, in which case they'd need help more than censureElfsborgAddick said:
It seems that you are still questioning @whe@WhenIwasLittleBoyLeuth said:
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bitWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.Leuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.
You clearly do not accept what he is saying.
There doesn’t always have to be some deep-set reason or psychological back story.
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A sensible oneWheresmeticket? said:WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Your the man with the answers….what I can say and felt it would be unfair of me to stereotype, but he had a chip on his shoulder and was clearly someone who was confrontational. Would you really go and confront someone and continue to be abusive in front of your boss, and when he tells you to leave you continue to provoke? When your colleagues try to move you on you tell them to get their hands off you.Leuth said:
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bitWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.Leuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.
The hard facts are is that is not the run of the mill steward and to call me a racist in front of my daughter and you are making excuses for him then I think you need to have a look at yourself
What response were you hoping for when you started this thread?4 -
Personally I have witnessed it/am aware of it happening lots of times, for no reason. I'm aware of a number of people who think any criticism of a person of colour is racism.
No, I accept the story as it's been told. I just don't remotely understand why anyone would act like that short of an actual psychological condition, in which case they'd need help more than censure
It seems that you are still questioning @whe@WhenIwasLittleBoye! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bit
You clearly do not accept what he is saying.4 -
Thank God you're not skeptical about WIWLB has posted.Leuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
I mean, what's he got to gain?7 -
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I'm surprised people dont believe false race claims exist. Just like false rape claims. They absolutely do exist.
Whether you are white, black, male or female people lie and make up false allegations.20 -
Fair play.Cafc43v3r said:
You obviously haven't followed your own advice and spoken to and listened to the community. False claims of racism are far, far, to common. They do nothing to foward the anti racist cause. They are heavily fround apon by the community as they devalue the very real racism that exists.Leuth said:
No, I accept the story as it's been told. I just don't remotely understand why anyone would act like that short of an actual psychological condition, in which case they'd need help more than censureElfsborgAddick said:
It seems that you are still questioning @whe@WhenIwasLittleBoyLeuth said:
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bitWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.Leuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.
You clearly do not accept what he is saying.
I have just realised I have assumed the person involved is black only because you said "if he was a black britton".0 -
I'm actually going to apologise for making such a tit of myself tbh. With no proof of anything other than a slanderous and wrong accusation I ought to have kept quiet. Sorry WIWLB34
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It takes a lot to put your hands up and admit you was wrong. No worries and thank youLeuth said:I'm actually going to apologise for making such a tit of myself tbh. With no proof of anything other than a slanderous and wrong accusation I ought to have kept quiet. Sorry WIWLB23 -
Just glad I'm back to act as the voice of reason16
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Surely its entirely possible that he was a fool , or stupid , or a bad person. I'm struggling why that is so difficult to conceive as a possibility ?Leuth said:
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bitWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.Leuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.1 -
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And what would that have looked like?WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
A sensible oneWheresmeticket? said:WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Your the man with the answers….what I can say and felt it would be unfair of me to stereotype, but he had a chip on his shoulder and was clearly someone who was confrontational. Would you really go and confront someone and continue to be abusive in front of your boss, and when he tells you to leave you continue to provoke? When your colleagues try to move you on you tell them to get their hands off you.Leuth said:
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bitWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.Leuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.
The hard facts are is that is not the run of the mill steward and to call me a racist in front of my daughter and you are making excuses for him then I think you need to have a look at yourself
What response were you hoping for when you started this thread?
An incident occurred. You reported it. Then you started a thread on CL.
For what reason?0 -
It's entirely possible that any of the people involved in the incident were.holyjo said:
Surely its entirely possible that he was a fool , or stupid , or a bad person. I'm struggling why that is so difficult to conceive as a possibility ?Leuth said:
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bitWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.Leuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.0 -
What’s your issue? The whole point of the forum is to talk about Charlton, things that happen at Charlton etcWheresmeticket? said:
And what would that have looked like?WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
A sensible oneWheresmeticket? said:WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Your the man with the answers….what I can say and felt it would be unfair of me to stereotype, but he had a chip on his shoulder and was clearly someone who was confrontational. Would you really go and confront someone and continue to be abusive in front of your boss, and when he tells you to leave you continue to provoke? When your colleagues try to move you on you tell them to get their hands off you.Leuth said:
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bitWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.Leuth said:I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.
The hard facts are is that is not the run of the mill steward and to call me a racist in front of my daughter and you are making excuses for him then I think you need to have a look at yourself
What response were you hoping for when you started this thread?
An incident occurred. You reported it. Then you started a thread on CL.
For what reason?23
