I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bit
Your the man with the answers….what I can say and felt it would be unfair of me to stereotype, but he had a chip on his shoulder and was clearly someone who was confrontational. Would you really go and confront someone and continue to be abusive in front of your boss, and when he tells you to leave you continue to provoke? When your colleagues try to move you on you tell them to get their hands off you. The hard facts are is that is not the run of the mill steward and to call me a racist in front of my daughter and you are making excuses for him then I think you need to have a look at yourself
What response were you hoping for when you started this thread?
A sensible one
And what would that have looked like?
An incident occurred. You reported it. Then you started a thread on CL.
For what reason?
What’s your issue? The whole point of the forum is to talk about Charlton, things that happen at Charlton etc
I'm asking a reasonable question. What's your issue with that?
I'm actually going to apologise for making such a tit of myself tbh. With no proof of anything other than a slanderous and wrong accusation I ought to have kept quiet. Sorry WIWLB
Fair play, sorry isn't always easy.
I think there are lessons for all of us here. Assuming what might have happened, assuming how people feel and assuming who wants people speaking for them are all very dangerous.
I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bit
Your the man with the answers….what I can say and felt it would be unfair of me to stereotype, but he had a chip on his shoulder and was clearly someone who was confrontational. Would you really go and confront someone and continue to be abusive in front of your boss, and when he tells you to leave you continue to provoke? When your colleagues try to move you on you tell them to get their hands off you. The hard facts are is that is not the run of the mill steward and to call me a racist in front of my daughter and you are making excuses for him then I think you need to have a look at yourself
What response were you hoping for when you started this thread?
A sensible one
And what would that have looked like?
An incident occurred. You reported it. Then you started a thread on CL.
For what reason?
Well it was one that you felt you had to comment on?
The thing that gets me is so many people offering opinions. None of us were there, so it's all just speculation and poor advice. Good advice is only possible when all the facts are known.
I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past
Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.
He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment.
I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bit
Your the man with the answers….what I can say and felt it would be unfair of me to stereotype, but he had a chip on his shoulder and was clearly someone who was confrontational. Would you really go and confront someone and continue to be abusive in front of your boss, and when he tells you to leave you continue to provoke? When your colleagues try to move you on you tell them to get their hands off you. The hard facts are is that is not the run of the mill steward and to call me a racist in front of my daughter and you are making excuses for him then I think you need to have a look at yourself
What response were you hoping for when you started this thread?
A sensible one
And what would that have looked like?
An incident occurred. You reported it. Then you started a thread on CL.
For what reason?
Well it was one that you felt you had to comment on?
Do you find it hard to believe that someone was wrongly accused of racism or are you suggesting WIWLB did do something racist?
comes across quite shitty imo
Maybe not the other side to it so much as knowing how it actually went down. I suppose we have to take the narrator at his word and it does seem like the steward may have reacted based on historical associations rather than the reality of the situation, but if I started on about microaggressions we'd be here all day so
Historical associations ? I have never seen the steward in my life, and don't eves sit in this block, went there for the second half so the kids can see their grandad.
For the record i will swear on my kids life that the events are 100 per cent true, and i would welcome a sit down with the club, steward, his employee to get the facts put in place. The stigma that someone can call you racist when you haven't done nothing doesn't sit right with me, and the proof was in your initial response.
I mean that the steward probably has been racially abused by fans quite often down the years, and saw something in your manner that triggered that response. Not necessarily your fault, but in these cases I think it's best to back down. It's a sad situation really. He probably has something not dissimilar to PTSD. Arguably that would make him unsuited to stewarding, but equally, everyone has the right to employment and it's probably something he's done for a while. As I say, in such cases, back down and avoid trouble and nobody gets yelled at.
What a load of bollox. You have absolutely no idea wheather the steward has ever been racially abused or not. You are inventing things to try and prove something that has probably never happened.
Just as when a woman accuses an innocent man of harassment and worse and should receive a suitable punishment to deter others ever doing this so this steward should be dealt with robustly for accusing an innocent man of racism. It doesn't surprise me that some individuals on here instantly assume WIWALB's account of events are to be doubted.
It is a very serious issue to accuse someone of what is now defined in law as a "hate crime". One can lose their job, status, good name ...everything .
Just as we name and shame those who dish out racist abuse online and in person so we should do the same for cowards that cry wolf. Such as this vile individual.
Do you find it hard to believe that someone was wrongly accused of racism or are you suggesting WIWLB did do something racist?
comes across quite shitty imo
Maybe not the other side to it so much as knowing how it actually went down. I suppose we have to take the narrator at his word and it does seem like the steward may have reacted based on historical associations rather than the reality of the situation, but if I started on about microaggressions we'd be here all day so
Historical associations ? I have never seen the steward in my life, and don't eves sit in this block, went there for the second half so the kids can see their grandad.
For the record i will swear on my kids life that the events are 100 per cent true, and i would welcome a sit down with the club, steward, his employee to get the facts put in place. The stigma that someone can call you racist when you haven't done nothing doesn't sit right with me, and the proof was in your initial response.
I mean that the steward probably has been racially abused by fans quite often down the years, and saw something in your manner that triggered that response. Not necessarily your fault, but in these cases I think it's best to back down. It's a sad situation really. He probably has something not dissimilar to PTSD. Arguably that would make him unsuited to stewarding, but equally, everyone has the right to employment and it's probably something he's done for a while. As I say, in such cases, back down and avoid trouble and nobody gets yelled at.
Yes, stewarding at football matches is clearly unsuitable employment for someone who is ... triggered by football fans at football matches!
WIWLB write it down and report it all to the club. Write it dispassionately, just what happened, who said what and to whom. It ain't easy but keep all emotion out of it, just report the facts as you remember them. Name the stewards involved, their numbers at least. Send a copy to the stewarding company as well. Ask the club and steward company what action they will take and request they report back to you in good time.
FWIW you sought the head steward, as in searched for, you didn't sort him, that could be misinterpreted.
@WhenIwasLittleBoy nothing personal, but I’d get what you write proofread, which I’d be happy to do for you.
WIWLB write it down and report it all to the club. Write it dispassionately, just what happened, who said what and to whom. It ain't easy but keep all emotion out of it, just report the facts as you remember them. Name the stewards involved, their numbers at least. Send a copy to the stewarding company as well. Ask the club and steward company what action they will take and request they report back to you in good time.
FWIW you sought the head steward, as in searched for, you didn't sort him, that could be misinterpreted.
@WhenIwasLittleBoy nothing personal, but I’d get what you write proofread, which I’d be happy to do for you.
My view is he should now drop it. If it escalates the stress to him and his family will ramp up. He’s put it out there that this happened. I’ve chipped in with my far lesser experience on Saturday but which suggests maybe a bit of training may be needed. The club will have picked up in this and I’d trust them to quietly sort it so it doesn’t happen again. This is charlton after all,
I don't think people are aware of what people really think, as most people are afraid to express what they actually think. The situation on this thread has demonstrated how dangerous accusations (unfounded) can be made, so people keep their true thoughts and feelings to themselves.
That is why so many polls are wrong and people vote etc. differently to what is 'expected'.
The Scottish Referendum was an example of this when Remain in the Union voters were scared to speak out, notably because of the vitriol and criminal damage. Brexit and the last election too (although not so the vitriol)
WIWLB write it down and report it all to the club. Write it dispassionately, just what happened, who said what and to whom. It ain't easy but keep all emotion out of it, just report the facts as you remember them. Name the stewards involved, their numbers at least. Send a copy to the stewarding company as well. Ask the club and steward company what action they will take and request they report back to you in good time.
FWIW you sought the head steward, as in searched for, you didn't sort him, that could be misinterpreted.
@WhenIwasLittleBoy nothing personal, but I’d get what you write proofread, which I’d be happy to do for you.
Maybe he should ask addick 1956 who he has hired as a secretary. They seem to be very good.
To the original point WIWLB as suggested in many posts above best to get it all down and report it to the club. I hope you get a satisfactory response.
To some of the other posts, without being condescending just be a decent human being. Most of the time you’ll be treated with respect and kindness.
In all of my life I have been insulted by someone in all of my life, in which has left me lost for words. I took my daughter to the first game at the Valley on Saturday. In the second half we went to sit with her grandad in block A of the North Stand. Half way through the second half my daughter wanted to go to the toilet, in which I took her, and said i would wait on the steps for her. I wasn't at the top of the steps, it was a case of half way down, where I was trying to keep an eye on the game, at this point there was NO steward on the steps. Now i am going to break this down in what was said during this period.
After 30 seconds I hear this voice " MOVE", Steward. Sorry? I reply, "Move off the stairs" SD "Ok mate i am just waiting for my daughter who is in the toilet" WIWLB which is directly opposite me. "What you going to do hit me?" SD I was totally taken aback by this comment. "What are you talking about ?" WIWLB "You were going to hit me" SD "Get out of my face" SD
I was standing one side of the tunnel and he was on the other, by now i am totally dumbstruck at what i am hearing, where i take the guys number down. The steward goes to the top of the stairs and says "What is your problem ? is it because your team is not winning?"
"You are not for real, what are you talking about i am only waiting for my daughter".
With that my daughter who is 12 appears and the steward then comes back towards and says the following "your racist.. your nothing but a racist"
In this current climate to call someone racist is a very very statement. To say it to someone who has done nothing wrong and then in front of their child it is totally unacceptable.
We sort the head steward and told him what had happened, and whilst doing so the steward walked past and began a level of abuse to both my father who is 78 and myself again.
When my father asked when he was going to "punch him" the steward replied well his face looked like he was going to
He then asked what the F**k has it got to do with him
The senior steward then told him to move on apologised, however this steward just kept coming back, in the end other stewards had to push him away where he then began to shout at them to get there hands of him.
Yes it proved the man he was, but one thing I totally object are these outrageous accusations, in which I would just ignore, however being accused of threatening someone, getting in their face, but more alarmingly calling me a racist for no reason is not acceptable, but in front of my daughter is sickening, and left my daughter shaken.
Did you report this WIWLB? If so, have you had a response from the club yet?
I don't think people are aware of what people really think, as most people are afraid to express what they actually think. The situation on this thread has demonstrated how dangerous accusations (unfounded) can be made, so people keep their true thoughts and feelings to themselves.
That is why so many polls are wrong and people vote etc. differently to what is 'expected'.
The Scottish Referendum was an example of this when Remain in the Union voters were scared to speak out, notably because of the vitriol and criminal damage. Brexit and the last election too (although not so the vitriol)
I disagree but I think the HOC site is the place for this.
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I think there are lessons for all of us here. Assuming what might have happened, assuming how people feel and assuming who wants people speaking for them are all very dangerous.
14 of us just booked the hotel for Morecambe.
Did you ever find out which toilet he ended up going in?
It is a very serious issue to accuse someone of what is now defined in law as a "hate crime". One can lose their job, status, good name ...everything .
Just as we name and shame those who dish out racist abuse online and in person so we should do the same for cowards that cry wolf. Such as this vile individual.
You have my sympathies WIWAlB
Seeing When I was little boy and Leuth come together and make peace was an example to the CL world.
That is why so many polls are wrong and people vote etc. differently to what is 'expected'.
The Scottish Referendum was an example of this when Remain in the Union voters were scared to speak out, notably because of the vitriol and criminal damage. Brexit and the last election too (although not so the vitriol)