Being called a racist on Saturday.

Wheresmeticket

AFKABartram said:

Wheresmeticket? said:

WhenIwasLittleBoy said:

Wheresmeticket? said:

WhenIwasLittleBoy said:

Leuth said:

WhenIwasLittleBoy said:

Leuth said:

I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past

Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.

He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment. 

I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bit 

Your the man with the answers….what I can say and felt it would be unfair of me to stereotype, but he had a chip on his shoulder and was clearly someone who was confrontational. Would you really go and confront someone and continue to be abusive in front of your boss, and when he tells you to leave you continue  to provoke? When your colleagues try to move you on you tell them to get their hands off you.
The hard facts are is that is not the run of the mill steward and to call me a racist in front of my daughter and you are making excuses for him then I think you need to have a look at yourself 

What response were you hoping for when you started this thread?  

A sensible one

And what would that have looked like?

An incident occurred. You reported it. Then you started a thread on CL.

For what reason?

What’s your issue? The whole point of the forum is to talk about Charlton, things that happen at Charlton etc

I'm asking a reasonable question. What's your issue with that?

Cafc43v3r

Leuth said:

I'm actually going to apologise for making such a tit of myself tbh. With no proof of anything other than a slanderous and wrong accusation I ought to have kept quiet. Sorry WIWLB

Fair play, sorry isn't always easy.

I think there are lessons for all of us here.  Assuming what might have happened, assuming how people feel and assuming who wants people speaking for them are all very dangerous. 

clb74

Slightly better news.
14 of us just booked the hotel for Morecambe.

aliwibble

Wheresmeticket? said:

OK.  Sounds completely unacceptable and pursuing a formal complaint is absolutely the right thing to do.

It's interesting that he immediately thought you were going to hit him.  I wonder what was going on with him that he thought that.

He's previous been stewarding at other clubs where that kind of behaviour is more common?

limeygent

Interesting that this popped up on facebook today....

" I am confused

I used to think that I was just a regular bloke.

I was born white, which now, whether I like it or not, makes me a racist.

My politics is right of centre, which makes me a racist..

I am heterosexual, according to some gays and lesbians this now makes me homophobic.

I am non-union which makes me a traitor to the working class, and an ally of big business.

I am non religious , which now labels me as an islamophobe.

I am older than forty, which means I have no right to vote according to most students.

I think I reason, therefore I doubt much that the mainstream media tells me, which must make me a reactionary.

I am proud of my heritage, and our inclusive British culture, which now makes me a xenophobe.

I value my safety, and that of my family, and I appreciate the police and the legal system, which makes me a right-wing extremist.

I believe in hard work, fair play, and fair compensation according to each individuals merits, which makes me an anti-socialist.

I believe in the defence and protection of the homeland, for and by all citizens, which now makes me a militant.

Please help me come to terms with the new me... because I'm just not sure who I am anymore.

I would love to thank my family and friends, for sticking with me through these abrupt new found changes in my life, and my thinking.

I just can't imagine or understand what's happened to me, and so quickly.

Funny it's all seemed to have happened to me over the last seven or eight years.

As if all this wasn't enough to deal with, I'm now afraid to go into either toilet."

Strange times we are living in...

Valleysarr

Funniest 😂 post in awhile 

Wheresmeticket

limeygent said:

Interesting that this popped up on facebook today....

" I am confused

I used to think that I was just a regular bloke.

I was born white, which now, whether I like it or not, makes me a racist.

My politics is right of centre, which makes me a racist..

I am heterosexual, according to some gays and lesbians this now makes me homophobic.

I am non-union which makes me a traitor to the working class, and an ally of big business.

I am non religious , which now labels me as an islamophobe.

I am older than forty, which means I have no right to vote according to most students.

I think I reason, therefore I doubt much that the mainstream media tells me, which must make me a reactionary.

I am proud of my heritage, and our inclusive British culture, which now makes me a xenophobe.

I value my safety, and that of my family, and I appreciate the police and the legal system, which makes me a right-wing extremist.

I believe in hard work, fair play, and fair compensation according to each individuals merits, which makes me an anti-socialist.

I believe in the defence and protection of the homeland, for and by all citizens, which now makes me a militant.

Please help me come to terms with the new me... because I'm just not sure who I am anymore.

I would love to thank my family and friends, for sticking with me through these abrupt new found changes in my life, and my thinking.

I just can't imagine or understand what's happened to me, and so quickly.

Funny it's all seemed to have happened to me over the last seven or eight years.

As if all this wasn't enough to deal with, I'm now afraid to go into either toilet."

Strange times we are living in...

Yeh there's a lot of selfpitying bollocks on Facebook. 

se9addick

limeygent said:

Interesting that this popped up on facebook today....

" I am confused

I used to think that I was just a regular bloke.

I was born white, which now, whether I like it or not, makes me a racist.

My politics is right of centre, which makes me a racist..

I am heterosexual, according to some gays and lesbians this now makes me homophobic.

I am non-union which makes me a traitor to the working class, and an ally of big business.

I am non religious , which now labels me as an islamophobe.

I am older than forty, which means I have no right to vote according to most students.

I think I reason, therefore I doubt much that the mainstream media tells me, which must make me a reactionary.

I am proud of my heritage, and our inclusive British culture, which now makes me a xenophobe.

I value my safety, and that of my family, and I appreciate the police and the legal system, which makes me a right-wing extremist.

I believe in hard work, fair play, and fair compensation according to each individuals merits, which makes me an anti-socialist.

I believe in the defence and protection of the homeland, for and by all citizens, which now makes me a militant.

Please help me come to terms with the new me... because I'm just not sure who I am anymore.

I would love to thank my family and friends, for sticking with me through these abrupt new found changes in my life, and my thinking.

I just can't imagine or understand what's happened to me, and so quickly.

Funny it's all seemed to have happened to me over the last seven or eight years.

As if all this wasn't enough to deal with, I'm now afraid to go into either toilet."

Strange times we are living in...

Christ, the amount of strawmanning there is amazing 

WhenIwasLittleBoy

Wheresmeticket? said:

WhenIwasLittleBoy said:

Wheresmeticket? said:

WhenIwasLittleBoy said:

Leuth said:

WhenIwasLittleBoy said:

Leuth said:

I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past

Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.

He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment. 

I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bit 

Your the man with the answers….what I can say and felt it would be unfair of me to stereotype, but he had a chip on his shoulder and was clearly someone who was confrontational. Would you really go and confront someone and continue to be abusive in front of your boss, and when he tells you to leave you continue  to provoke? When your colleagues try to move you on you tell them to get their hands off you.
The hard facts are is that is not the run of the mill steward and to call me a racist in front of my daughter and you are making excuses for him then I think you need to have a look at yourself 

What response were you hoping for when you started this thread?  

A sensible one

And what would that have looked like?

An incident occurred. You reported it. Then you started a thread on CL.

For what reason?

Well it was one that you felt you had to comment on?

Wheresmeticket

limeygent said:

Interesting that this popped up on facebook today....

" I am confused

I used to think that I was just a regular bloke.

I was born white, which now, whether I like it or not, makes me a racist.

My politics is right of centre, which makes me a racist..

I am heterosexual, according to some gays and lesbians this now makes me homophobic.

I am non-union which makes me a traitor to the working class, and an ally of big business.

I am non religious , which now labels me as an islamophobe.

I am older than forty, which means I have no right to vote according to most students.

I think I reason, therefore I doubt much that the mainstream media tells me, which must make me a reactionary.

I am proud of my heritage, and our inclusive British culture, which now makes me a xenophobe.

I value my safety, and that of my family, and I appreciate the police and the legal system, which makes me a right-wing extremist.

I believe in hard work, fair play, and fair compensation according to each individuals merits, which makes me an anti-socialist.

I believe in the defence and protection of the homeland, for and by all citizens, which now makes me a militant.

Please help me come to terms with the new me... because I'm just not sure who I am anymore.

I would love to thank my family and friends, for sticking with me through these abrupt new found changes in my life, and my thinking.

I just can't imagine or understand what's happened to me, and so quickly.

Funny it's all seemed to have happened to me over the last seven or eight years.

As if all this wasn't enough to deal with, I'm now afraid to go into either toilet."

Strange times we are living in...

Did you ever find out which toilet he ended up going in?

JamesSeed

Covered End said:

The thing that gets me is so many people offering opinions.
None of us were there, so it's all just speculation and poor advice.
Good advice is only possible when all the facts are known.

Chizz gave good advice 👍

Wheresmeticket

WhenIwasLittleBoy said:

Wheresmeticket? said:

WhenIwasLittleBoy said:

Wheresmeticket? said:

WhenIwasLittleBoy said:

Leuth said:

WhenIwasLittleBoy said:

Leuth said:

I didn't mean you! I was just responding to your question. I was more addressing blackpool and the others who expressed skepticism that the steward in question had actually been racially abused in the past

Rather than trying to make a defence for someone when A You wasn’t there. B You don’t know him C or are second guessing what may have happened to him in the past, let me spell this out to you.

He was the aggressor, both towards myself and father at the end. There was no aggression towards him whatsoever and there certainly was not a racist comment. 

I accept this of course! But why was he like that? What did he stand to gain? It's doing my head in a bit 

Your the man with the answers….what I can say and felt it would be unfair of me to stereotype, but he had a chip on his shoulder and was clearly someone who was confrontational. Would you really go and confront someone and continue to be abusive in front of your boss, and when he tells you to leave you continue  to provoke? When your colleagues try to move you on you tell them to get their hands off you.
The hard facts are is that is not the run of the mill steward and to call me a racist in front of my daughter and you are making excuses for him then I think you need to have a look at yourself 

What response were you hoping for when you started this thread?  

A sensible one

And what would that have looked like?

An incident occurred. You reported it. Then you started a thread on CL.

For what reason?

Well it was one that you felt you had to comment on?

OK.

jacob_CAFC

limeygent said:

Interesting that this popped up on facebook today....

" I am confused

I used to think that I was just a regular bloke.

I was born white, which now, whether I like it or not, makes me a racist.

My politics is right of centre, which makes me a racist..

I am heterosexual, according to some gays and lesbians this now makes me homophobic.

I am non-union which makes me a traitor to the working class, and an ally of big business.

I am non religious , which now labels me as an islamophobe.

I am older than forty, which means I have no right to vote according to most students.

I think I reason, therefore I doubt much that the mainstream media tells me, which must make me a reactionary.

I am proud of my heritage, and our inclusive British culture, which now makes me a xenophobe.

I value my safety, and that of my family, and I appreciate the police and the legal system, which makes me a right-wing extremist.

I believe in hard work, fair play, and fair compensation according to each individuals merits, which makes me an anti-socialist.

I believe in the defence and protection of the homeland, for and by all citizens, which now makes me a militant.

Please help me come to terms with the new me... because I'm just not sure who I am anymore.

I would love to thank my family and friends, for sticking with me through these abrupt new found changes in my life, and my thinking.

I just can't imagine or understand what's happened to me, and so quickly.

Funny it's all seemed to have happened to me over the last seven or eight years.

As if all this wasn't enough to deal with, I'm now afraid to go into either toilet."

Strange times we are living in...

Take that stupid shit back to Facebook, reading it has made me dumber

cs1986

Leuth said:

blackpool72 said:

Leuth said:

WhenIwasLittleBoy said:

Leuth said:

cafcdave123 said:

Leuth said:

Kinda want the other side to this story

Why?

Do you find it hard to believe that someone was wrongly accused of racism or are you suggesting WIWLB did do something racist?


comes across quite shitty imo 

Maybe not the other side to it so much as knowing how it actually went down. I suppose we have to take the narrator at his word and it does seem like the steward may have reacted based on historical associations rather than the reality of the situation, but if I started on about microaggressions we'd be here all day so

Historical associations ? I have never seen the steward in my life, and don't eves sit in this block, went there for the second half so the kids can see their grandad. 

For the record i will swear on my kids life that the events are 100 per cent true, and i would welcome a sit down with the club, steward, his employee to get the facts put in place. The stigma that someone can call you racist when you haven't done nothing doesn't sit right with me, and the proof was in your initial response. 

I mean that the steward probably has been racially abused by fans quite often down the years, and saw something in your manner that triggered that response. Not necessarily your fault, but in these cases I think it's best to back down. It's a sad situation really. He probably has something not dissimilar to PTSD. Arguably that would make him unsuited to stewarding, but equally, everyone has the right to employment and it's probably something he's done for a while. As I say, in such cases, back down and avoid trouble and nobody gets yelled at. 

What a load of bollox. 
You have absolutely no idea wheather the steward has ever been racially abused or not.
You are inventing things to try and prove something that has probably never happened. 

If the steward is a black Briton, yes I do

What an absolute load of nonesense. 

JamesSeed

Night all. 

Callumcafc

limeygent said:

Interesting that this popped up on facebook today....

" I am confused

I used to think that I was just a regular bloke.

I was born white, which now, whether I like it or not, makes me a racist.

My politics is right of centre, which makes me a racist..

I am heterosexual, according to some gays and lesbians this now makes me homophobic.

I am non-union which makes me a traitor to the working class, and an ally of big business.

I am non religious , which now labels me as an islamophobe.

I am older than forty, which means I have no right to vote according to most students.

I think I reason, therefore I doubt much that the mainstream media tells me, which must make me a reactionary.

I am proud of my heritage, and our inclusive British culture, which now makes me a xenophobe.

I value my safety, and that of my family, and I appreciate the police and the legal system, which makes me a right-wing extremist.

I believe in hard work, fair play, and fair compensation according to each individuals merits, which makes me an anti-socialist.

I believe in the defence and protection of the homeland, for and by all citizens, which now makes me a militant.

Please help me come to terms with the new me... because I'm just not sure who I am anymore.

I would love to thank my family and friends, for sticking with me through these abrupt new found changes in my life, and my thinking.

I just can't imagine or understand what's happened to me, and so quickly.

Funny it's all seemed to have happened to me over the last seven or eight years.

As if all this wasn't enough to deal with, I'm now afraid to go into either toilet."

Strange times we are living in...

Who makes up this drivel? Absolutely batshit.

ValleyOfTears

Just as when a woman accuses an innocent man of harassment and worse and should receive a suitable punishment to deter others ever doing this  so this steward should be dealt with robustly for accusing an innocent man of racism. It doesn't surprise me that some individuals on here instantly assume WIWALB's account of events are to be doubted. 

It is a very serious issue to accuse someone of what is now defined in law as a "hate crime". One can lose their job, status, good name ...everything . 

Just as we name and shame those who dish out racist abuse online and in person so we should do the same for cowards that cry wolf. Such as this vile individual. 

You have my sympathies WIWAlB 

ValleyOfTears

Leuth said:

WhenIwasLittleBoy said:

Leuth said:

cafcdave123 said:

Leuth said:

Kinda want the other side to this story

Why?

Do you find it hard to believe that someone was wrongly accused of racism or are you suggesting WIWLB did do something racist?


comes across quite shitty imo 

Maybe not the other side to it so much as knowing how it actually went down. I suppose we have to take the narrator at his word and it does seem like the steward may have reacted based on historical associations rather than the reality of the situation, but if I started on about microaggressions we'd be here all day so

Historical associations ? I have never seen the steward in my life, and don't eves sit in this block, went there for the second half so the kids can see their grandad. 

For the record i will swear on my kids life that the events are 100 per cent true, and i would welcome a sit down with the club, steward, his employee to get the facts put in place. The stigma that someone can call you racist when you haven't done nothing doesn't sit right with me, and the proof was in your initial response. 

I mean that the steward probably has been racially abused by fans quite often down the years, and saw something in your manner that triggered that response. Not necessarily your fault, but in these cases I think it's best to back down. It's a sad situation really. He probably has something not dissimilar to PTSD. Arguably that would make him unsuited to stewarding, but equally, everyone has the right to employment and it's probably something he's done for a while. As I say, in such cases, back down and avoid trouble and nobody gets yelled at. 

Yes, stewarding at football matches is clearly unsuitable employment for someone who is ... triggered by football fans at football matches! 

AddicksAddict

Billy_Mix said:

WIWLB write it down and report it all to the club.  Write it dispassionately, just what happened, who said what and to whom.  It ain't easy but keep all emotion out of it, just report the facts as you remember them.  Name the stewards involved, their numbers at least.  Send a copy to the stewarding company as well.
Ask the club and steward company what action they will take and request they report back to you in good time.

FWIW you sought the head steward, as in searched for, you didn't sort him, that could be misinterpreted.

@WhenIwasLittleBoy nothing personal, but I’d get what you write proofread, which I’d be happy to do for you. 

AddicksAddict

Wheresmeticket? said:

limeygent said:

Interesting that this popped up on facebook today....

" I am confused

I used to think that I was just a regular bloke.

I was born white, which now, whether I like it or not, makes me a racist.

My politics is right of centre, which makes me a racist..

I am heterosexual, according to some gays and lesbians this now makes me homophobic.

I am non-union which makes me a traitor to the working class, and an ally of big business.

I am non religious , which now labels me as an islamophobe.

I am older than forty, which means I have no right to vote according to most students.

I think I reason, therefore I doubt much that the mainstream media tells me, which must make me a reactionary.

I am proud of my heritage, and our inclusive British culture, which now makes me a xenophobe.

I value my safety, and that of my family, and I appreciate the police and the legal system, which makes me a right-wing extremist.

I believe in hard work, fair play, and fair compensation according to each individuals merits, which makes me an anti-socialist.

I believe in the defence and protection of the homeland, for and by all citizens, which now makes me a militant.

Please help me come to terms with the new me... because I'm just not sure who I am anymore.

I would love to thank my family and friends, for sticking with me through these abrupt new found changes in my life, and my thinking.

I just can't imagine or understand what's happened to me, and so quickly.

Funny it's all seemed to have happened to me over the last seven or eight years.

As if all this wasn't enough to deal with, I'm now afraid to go into either toilet."

Strange times we are living in...

Yeh there's a lot of selfpitying bollocks on Facebook. 

Fixed. 

letthegoodtimesroll

AddicksAddict said:

Billy_Mix said:

WIWLB write it down and report it all to the club.  Write it dispassionately, just what happened, who said what and to whom.  It ain't easy but keep all emotion out of it, just report the facts as you remember them.  Name the stewards involved, their numbers at least.  Send a copy to the stewarding company as well.
Ask the club and steward company what action they will take and request they report back to you in good time.

FWIW you sought the head steward, as in searched for, you didn't sort him, that could be misinterpreted.

@WhenIwasLittleBoy nothing personal, but I’d get what you write proofread, which I’d be happy to do for you. 

My view is he should now drop it. If it escalates the stress to him and his family will ramp up. He’s put it out there that this happened. I’ve chipped in with my far lesser experience on Saturday but which suggests maybe a bit of training may be needed. The club will have picked up in this and I’d trust them to quietly sort it so it doesn’t happen again. This is charlton after all, 

soapboxsam

Just observed, and watched this post take shape and wondered, what direction it would go in ?

Seeing When I was  little boy and Leuth come together and make peace was an example to the CL world.

iainment

If this was on another team’s forum it’d be classed as a DHOTYA contender.

addick19

limeygent said:

Interesting that this popped up on facebook today....

" I am confused

I used to think that I was just a regular bloke.

I was born white, which now, whether I like it or not, makes me a racist.

My politics is right of centre, which makes me a racist..

I am heterosexual, according to some gays and lesbians this now makes me homophobic.

I am non-union which makes me a traitor to the working class, and an ally of big business.

I am non religious , which now labels me as an islamophobe.

I am older than forty, which means I have no right to vote according to most students.

I think I reason, therefore I doubt much that the mainstream media tells me, which must make me a reactionary.

I am proud of my heritage, and our inclusive British culture, which now makes me a xenophobe.

I value my safety, and that of my family, and I appreciate the police and the legal system, which makes me a right-wing extremist.

I believe in hard work, fair play, and fair compensation according to each individuals merits, which makes me an anti-socialist.

I believe in the defence and protection of the homeland, for and by all citizens, which now makes me a militant.

Please help me come to terms with the new me... because I'm just not sure who I am anymore.

I would love to thank my family and friends, for sticking with me through these abrupt new found changes in my life, and my thinking.

I just can't imagine or understand what's happened to me, and so quickly.

Funny it's all seemed to have happened to me over the last seven or eight years.

As if all this wasn't enough to deal with, I'm now afraid to go into either toilet."

Strange times we are living in...

Don't feel paranoid because you are far from alone. There are more of us than you think.

PrincessFiona

I don't think people are aware of what people really think, as most people are afraid to express what they actually think. The situation on this thread has demonstrated how dangerous accusations (unfounded) can be made, so people keep their true thoughts and feelings to themselves. 

That is why so many polls are wrong and people vote etc. differently to what is 'expected'.

The Scottish Referendum was an example of this when Remain in the Union voters were scared to speak out, notably because of the vitriol and criminal damage. Brexit and the last election too (although not so the vitriol)

SID

AddicksAddict said:

Billy_Mix said:

WIWLB write it down and report it all to the club.  Write it dispassionately, just what happened, who said what and to whom.  It ain't easy but keep all emotion out of it, just report the facts as you remember them.  Name the stewards involved, their numbers at least.  Send a copy to the stewarding company as well.
Ask the club and steward company what action they will take and request they report back to you in good time.

FWIW you sought the head steward, as in searched for, you didn't sort him, that could be misinterpreted.

@WhenIwasLittleBoy nothing personal, but I’d get what you write proofread, which I’d be happy to do for you. 

Maybe he should ask addick 1956 who he has hired as a secretary. They seem to be very good. 

GenevaCharlton

To the original point WIWLB as suggested in many posts above best to get it all down and report it to the club. I hope you get a satisfactory response. 

To some of the other posts, without being condescending just be a decent human being. Most of the time you’ll be treated with respect and kindness.

Chizz

WhenIwasLittleBoy said:

In all of my life I have been insulted by someone in all of my life, in which has left me lost for words. I took my daughter to the first game at the Valley on Saturday. In the second half we went to sit with her grandad in block A of the North Stand. 
Half way through the second half my daughter wanted to go to the toilet, in which I took her, and said i would wait on the steps for her. I wasn't at the top of the steps, it was a case of half way down, where I was trying to keep an eye on the game, at this point there was NO steward on the steps. Now i am going to break this down in what was said during this period.

After 30 seconds I hear this voice
" MOVE", Steward.
Sorry? I reply,
"Move off the stairs" SD
"Ok mate i am just waiting for my daughter who is in the toilet" WIWLB  which is directly opposite me.
"What you going to do hit me?" SD
I was totally taken aback by this comment.
"What are you talking about ?" WIWLB
"You were going to hit me" SD
"Get out of my face" SD

I was standing one side of the tunnel and he was on the other, by now i am totally dumbstruck at what i am hearing, where i take the guys number down. 
The steward goes to the top of the stairs and says "What is your problem ? is it because your team is not winning?"

"You are not for real, what are you talking about i am only waiting for my daughter".

With that my daughter who is 12 appears and the steward then comes back towards and says the following "your racist.. your nothing but a racist"

In this current climate to call someone racist is a very very statement. To say it to someone who has done nothing wrong and then in front of their child it is totally unacceptable.

We sort the head steward and told him what had happened, and whilst doing so the steward walked past and began a level of abuse to both my father who is 78 and myself again. 

When my father asked when he was going to "punch him" the steward replied well his face looked like he was going to

He then asked what the F**k has it got to do with him

The senior steward then told him to move on apologised, however this steward just kept coming back, in the end other stewards had to push him away where he then began to shout at them to get there hands of him.

Yes it proved the man he was, but one thing I totally object are these outrageous accusations, in which I would just ignore, however being accused of threatening someone, getting in their face, but more alarmingly calling me a racist for no reason is not acceptable, but in front of my daughter is sickening, and left my daughter shaken.

Did you report this WIWLB? If so, have you had a response from the club yet?

Wheresmeticket

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Wheresmeticket

PrincessFiona said:

I don't think people are aware of what people really think, as most people are afraid to express what they actually think. The situation on this thread has demonstrated how dangerous accusations (unfounded) can be made, so people keep their true thoughts and feelings to themselves. 

That is why so many polls are wrong and people vote etc. differently to what is 'expected'.

The Scottish Referendum was an example of this when Remain in the Union voters were scared to speak out, notably because of the vitriol and criminal damage. Brexit and the last election too (although not so the vitriol)

I disagree but I think the HOC site is the place for this.