Agree, there was nothing lightweight about him. In fact he was quite robust. Maybe people mean lightweight in thinking.
His lack of goalscoring affected him. Sadly he's shown that when the going gets tough, he might not be your man.
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Elliot Lee - gone to Wrexham (p15)
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Bit like Johnny Williams for me - bags of skill but too fragile physically.1
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The difference isn't where he is on the pitch, the difference is where other players are. That's the big difference.Kips said:
Yes barely any difference at all especially at the tip of a diamond.Cafc43v3r said:
He played as the attacking one in a 4 or wide in a front 3 for Luton and Oxford. Not majorly different, but different enough.Talal said:
What was his position then? I'd have thought the attacking one of a midfield three would've suited him.Cafc43v3r said:I am not suggesting we sign him but we never played him in his position did we. Even his dad said so on CATV.
Still wouldn't want him anyway.
It's a real head scratcher for me where it all went so wrong for Lee. He was pivotal to the team when he played well, he wanted to be at Charlton, had the love of the fans and the manager.1 -
Was he fragile?charente addick said:Bit like Johnny Williams for me - bags of skill but too fragile physically.
He may not have been as strong as we'd like, but he was tricky. His lack of interest in releasing the ball was my biggest issue with him.
I'm a little torn. In the start of Jackson's reign he looked a step above and then when Jackson's run turned so did Lee's was he sussed out? Was he disinterested?
If he's cheap, I'd consider it.2 -
For me, his best moment was the ball through to Conor Washington for our second at home to Plymouth, it was class. Sadly, aside from that I can’t really remember much else apart from the twists and turns into various cul-de-sacs.We’ve already offered new deals to Inniss, Davison and Purrington. We need to be careful we don’t slowly baulk the squad up with what we consider ‘good squad players’ or ‘can do a job on their day’.
I thought we needed a lot of changes at the end of last season after finishing 7th, we never got them. We got Matthews back. We finished 14th this time. To have even a few of the ‘good squad players’ come back would be a disaster. We’ve already got the likes of Gilbey, DJ and Morgan in midfield, they can be our ‘good squad players’.
Btw when I use the term ‘good squad players’ in relation to this current mob, I mean complete league one fodder. Some of you are probably more generous, but the likes of Gilbey and DJ aren’t going to get you out of this league, even if used as back up13 -
Barely any different? He was played in a midfield central three, not a front three or at the tip of any diamond. He relies on interplay between forwards and people making intelligent supporting runs. I genuinely think we should consider signing him and playing him in a team that will play to his strengthsKips said:
Yes barely any difference at all especially at the tip of a diamond.Cafc43v3r said:
He played as the attacking one in a 4 or wide in a front 3 for Luton and Oxford. Not majorly different, but different enough.Talal said:
What was his position then? I'd have thought the attacking one of a midfield three would've suited him.Cafc43v3r said:I am not suggesting we sign him but we never played him in his position did we. Even his dad said so on CATV.
Still wouldn't want him anyway.
It's a real head scratcher for me where it all went so wrong for Lee. He was pivotal to the team when he played well, he wanted to be at Charlton, had the love of the fans and the manager.1 -
clever player but as has been already written, a bit lightweight for the hurly burly that is the modern lower league midfield0
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I quibble 'lightweight'. He's stocky and can tackle. I think if anything he held onto it too long waiting for someone else to make some sort of intelligent movement9
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Mentality struggled when the going got tough in the second half of the season. Most importantly needed to chip in with more goals and never got close to scoring enough for us. We already have loads of non goal scoring midfielder. Don’t need another one.mendonca said:Agree, there was nothing lightweight about him. In fact he was quite robust. Maybe people mean lightweight in thinking.
His lack of goalscoring affected him. Sadly he's shown that when the going gets tough, he might not be your man.0 - Sponsored links:
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He was one of the few players who actually looked quite good under Adkins. That was pretty much the only time he played in his proper position as well, as a 10. I did feel for him being played out of position, and the way we played couldn't really have been worse for him, but his form dropped off a little too steeply for me to think it's a good idea re-signing him.
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Not this shit again.
I maintain the words to his song should have been:
Elliot Lee, Elliot Lee, the most mediocre player you ever did see!
He wasn't fast, he wasn't full of tricks, he didn't shoot that often, he didn't assist that often, he wasn't box to box and his set pieces were shit.
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Thanks, but no thanks.1
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Played in his proper position he was creative, productive and linked play well.Garrymanilow said:He was one of the few players who actually looked quite good under Adkins. That was pretty much the only time he played in his proper position as well, as a 10. I did feel for him being played out of position, and the way we played couldn't really have been worse for him, but his form dropped off a little too steeply for me to think it's a good idea re-signing him.
We saw that even in an Adkins team that bombed.
In came Jacko, changed the formation and gameplan - and despite some flashes of form from Lee, it was obvious he wasn't what was required.
He knew he was struggling and didn't fit the system, and his confidence and form fell away.
Usual football adage: players need to be played in their specialist position; that's what they've been trained to do all their career.
A few players are able to adapt to other roles but most don't, at least not as effectively as another specialist player.
Would I re-sign Lee? Well, he was an integral part of a Luton side that won the League One title handsomely, a side that went on a long unbeaten run.
We saw early on at Charlton that his best form was when he was played in his best position.
Is he what we need right now? Well that will depend on the formation/gameplan that the new manager chooses?
Oh, we don't have one .... I forgot.
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Lee was toilet for us and not a shadow of Williams.Dazzler21 said:
Was he fragile?charente addick said:Bit like Johnny Williams for me - bags of skill but too fragile physically.
He may not have been as strong as we'd like, but he was tricky. His lack of interest in releasing the ball was my biggest issue with him.
I'm a little torn. In the start of Jackson's reign he looked a step above and then when Jackson's run turned so did Lee's was he sussed out? Was he disinterested?
If he's cheap, I'd consider it.
My mum is a better passer of the ball.1 -
Quite similar to Williams, for me. Constantly disappointing.PopIcon said:
Lee was toilet for us and not a shadow of Williams.Dazzler21 said:
Was he fragile?charente addick said:Bit like Johnny Williams for me - bags of skill but too fragile physically.
He may not have been as strong as we'd like, but he was tricky. His lack of interest in releasing the ball was my biggest issue with him.
I'm a little torn. In the start of Jackson's reign he looked a step above and then when Jackson's run turned so did Lee's was he sussed out? Was he disinterested?
If he's cheap, I'd consider it.
My mum is a better passer of the ball.1 -
Maybe the overhead kick that he hogged a near open goal for CBT to take our cup game V Norwich further sums up his loan spell.1
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For what, 4 games? The other 30 or so he played in he was shite, players that are genuinely good shine throughOggy Red said:
Played in his proper position he was creative, productive and linked play well.Garrymanilow said:He was one of the few players who actually looked quite good under Adkins. That was pretty much the only time he played in his proper position as well, as a 10. I did feel for him being played out of position, and the way we played couldn't really have been worse for him, but his form dropped off a little too steeply for me to think it's a good idea re-signing him.
We saw that even in an Adkins team that bombed.
In came Jacko, changed the formation and gameplan - and despite some flashes of form from Lee, it was obvious he wasn't what was required.
He knew he was struggling and didn't fit the system, and his confidence and form fell away.
Usual football adage: players need to be played in their specialist position; that's what they've been trained to do all their career.
A few players are able to adapt to other roles but most don't, at least not as effectively as another specialist player.
Would I re-sign Lee? Well, he was an integral part of a Luton side that won the League One title handsomely, a side that went on a long unbeaten run.
We saw early on at Charlton that his best form was when he was played in his best position.
Is he what we need right now? Well that will depend on the formation/gameplan that the new manager chooses?
Oh, we don't have one .... I forgot.0 -
Harsh on Popicon's mumChunes said:
Quite similar to Williams, for me. Constantly disappointing.PopIcon said:
Lee was toilet for us and not a shadow of Williams.Dazzler21 said:
Was he fragile?charente addick said:Bit like Johnny Williams for me - bags of skill but too fragile physically.
He may not have been as strong as we'd like, but he was tricky. His lack of interest in releasing the ball was my biggest issue with him.
I'm a little torn. In the start of Jackson's reign he looked a step above and then when Jackson's run turned so did Lee's was he sussed out? Was he disinterested?
If he's cheap, I'd consider it.
My mum is a better passer of the ball.
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PopIcon said:
Lee was toilet for us and not a shadow of Williams.Dazzler21 said:
Was he fragile?charente addick said:Bit like Johnny Williams for me - bags of skill but too fragile physically.
He may not have been as strong as we'd like, but he was tricky. His lack of interest in releasing the ball was my biggest issue with him.
I'm a little torn. In the start of Jackson's reign he looked a step above and then when Jackson's run turned so did Lee's was he sussed out? Was he disinterested?
If he's cheap, I'd consider it.
My mum is a better passer of the ball.
Is your Mum out of contract ?3 - Sponsored links:
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Our best run of the season last year was when Lee was on form November/December, then got injured and didn't come back the same player.. But I certainly think there is a decent player, just what is his best position I am not sure.. I always thought he was at his best when he played slightly deeper.
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But does she pass the Charlton life height test?PopIcon said:
Lee was toilet for us and not a shadow of Williams.Dazzler21 said:
Was he fragile?charente addick said:Bit like Johnny Williams for me - bags of skill but too fragile physically.
He may not have been as strong as we'd like, but he was tricky. His lack of interest in releasing the ball was my biggest issue with him.
I'm a little torn. In the start of Jackson's reign he looked a step above and then when Jackson's run turned so did Lee's was he sussed out? Was he disinterested?
If he's cheap, I'd consider it.
My mum is a better passer of the ball.0 -
I still strongly disagree with this. The main reason that this season was a disaster wasn't we kept Watson, Gunter resigned Matthews etc. The reason this season was a disaster was we replaced Maatsen, Millar, Amos, JFC and Chuks with Souare, Kirk, Arter, MacGillivray and Chuks half way through the season.cabbles said:For me, his best moment was the ball through to Conor Washington for our second at home to Plymouth, it was class. Sadly, aside from that I can’t really remember much else apart from the twists and turns into various cul-de-sacs.We’ve already offered new deals to Inniss, Davison and Purrington. We need to be careful we don’t slowly baulk the squad up with what we consider ‘good squad players’ or ‘can do a job on their day’.
I thought we needed a lot of changes at the end of last season after finishing 7th, we never got them. We got Matthews back. We finished 14th this time. To have even a few of the ‘good squad players’ come back would be a disaster. We’ve already got the likes of Gilbey, DJ and Morgan in midfield, they can be our ‘good squad players’.
Btw when I use the term ‘good squad players’ in relation to this current mob, I mean complete league one fodder. Some of you are probably more generous, but the likes of Gilbey and DJ aren’t going to get you out of this league, even if used as back up
If we had just swapped Pratley, Oshilaja, Shinnie and Smith for Dobson, Clare, CBT and Lavelle we would have been there or there abouts.
We are in a much worse position than we were 12 months ago, with more contracted players.1 -
I liked Lee the first few times I saw him. Thought he had a touch of class about him that we were missing. But he lost a bit of form got injured and kinda disappeared. I'd forgotten he was even around by the end of the season tbh! I'd say thanks, for the effort while you were here, but I wouldn't consider signing him permanently. Seems likea good lad, but I'd like to think we'd aim a bit higher.3
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You really think so?sam3110 said:
For what, 4 games? The other 30 or so he played in he was shite, players that are genuinely good shine throughOggy Red said:
Played in his proper position he was creative, productive and linked play well.Garrymanilow said:He was one of the few players who actually looked quite good under Adkins. That was pretty much the only time he played in his proper position as well, as a 10. I did feel for him being played out of position, and the way we played couldn't really have been worse for him, but his form dropped off a little too steeply for me to think it's a good idea re-signing him.
We saw that even in an Adkins team that bombed.
In came Jacko, changed the formation and gameplan - and despite some flashes of form from Lee, it was obvious he wasn't what was required.
He knew he was struggling and didn't fit the system, and his confidence and form fell away.
Usual football adage: players need to be played in their specialist position; that's what they've been trained to do all their career.
A few players are able to adapt to other roles but most don't, at least not as effectively as another specialist player.
Would I re-sign Lee? Well, he was an integral part of a Luton side that won the League One title handsomely, a side that went on a long unbeaten run.
We saw early on at Charlton that his best form was when he was played in his best position.
Is he what we need right now? Well that will depend on the formation/gameplan that the new manager chooses?
Oh, we don't have one .... I forgot.
Occasionally a player will adapt fairly well, like Clare .... but there's still evidence in his game that it's not the position he's been coached for.
Jacko was never able to turn Purrington into a marauding wing back or any of the wingers into being sound defensively.
It was one of the key things undermining Jacko's 3-5-2 gameplan ..... he didn't have several of the specialist players needed in the positions to make his system work.
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I'd sign him if he was on a grand a week. But he won't be.1
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No for me especially with Morgan and Gilbey under contract. We need to use our remaining slots under the cap to sign first choices who improve us, not decent squad players.4
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It's both though isn't. If we had replaced Gunter with a better RB capable of wing-back, we'd have had a decent player capable of playing under both Adkins and then Jacko. We ended up with no decent RB and no cover for Dobson. I agree the amount of changes we needed was less than others thought, but those 4 changes you mention weren't enough as the squad would have been small. Millar and Maatsen for example were wanted back but we had no say.Cafc43v3r said:
I still strongly disagree with this. The main reason that this season was a disaster wasn't we kept Watson, Gunter resigned Matthews etc. The reason this season was a disaster was we replaced Maatsen, Millar, Amos, JFC and Chuks with Souare, Kirk, Arter, MacGillivray and Chuks half way through the season.cabbles said:For me, his best moment was the ball through to Conor Washington for our second at home to Plymouth, it was class. Sadly, aside from that I can’t really remember much else apart from the twists and turns into various cul-de-sacs.We’ve already offered new deals to Inniss, Davison and Purrington. We need to be careful we don’t slowly baulk the squad up with what we consider ‘good squad players’ or ‘can do a job on their day’.
I thought we needed a lot of changes at the end of last season after finishing 7th, we never got them. We got Matthews back. We finished 14th this time. To have even a few of the ‘good squad players’ come back would be a disaster. We’ve already got the likes of Gilbey, DJ and Morgan in midfield, they can be our ‘good squad players’.
Btw when I use the term ‘good squad players’ in relation to this current mob, I mean complete league one fodder. Some of you are probably more generous, but the likes of Gilbey and DJ aren’t going to get you out of this league, even if used as back up
If we had just swapped Pratley, Oshilaja, Shinnie and Smith for Dobson, Clare, CBT and Lavelle we would have been there or there abouts.
We are in a much worse position than we were 12 months ago, with more contracted players.0 -
I'll never forgive him for destroying our season with that penalty miss that knocked us out of the papa johns. A huge part of me died that night.................
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The squad would have been the same size. We replaced the chaff with up grades. That would have been enough if that's all that happened. We also lost 5 of our best players and replaced them with chaff, in most cases, worse than what we had just got rid of.cafcfan1990 said:
It's both though isn't. If we had replaced Gunter with a better RB capable of wing-back, we'd have had a decent player capable of playing under both Adkins and then Jacko. We ended up with no decent RB and no cover for Dobson. I agree the amount of changes we needed was less than others thought, but those 4 changes you mention weren't enough as the squad would have been small. Millar and Maatsen for example were wanted back but we had no say.Cafc43v3r said:
I still strongly disagree with this. The main reason that this season was a disaster wasn't we kept Watson, Gunter resigned Matthews etc. The reason this season was a disaster was we replaced Maatsen, Millar, Amos, JFC and Chuks with Souare, Kirk, Arter, MacGillivray and Chuks half way through the season.cabbles said:For me, his best moment was the ball through to Conor Washington for our second at home to Plymouth, it was class. Sadly, aside from that I can’t really remember much else apart from the twists and turns into various cul-de-sacs.We’ve already offered new deals to Inniss, Davison and Purrington. We need to be careful we don’t slowly baulk the squad up with what we consider ‘good squad players’ or ‘can do a job on their day’.
I thought we needed a lot of changes at the end of last season after finishing 7th, we never got them. We got Matthews back. We finished 14th this time. To have even a few of the ‘good squad players’ come back would be a disaster. We’ve already got the likes of Gilbey, DJ and Morgan in midfield, they can be our ‘good squad players’.
Btw when I use the term ‘good squad players’ in relation to this current mob, I mean complete league one fodder. Some of you are probably more generous, but the likes of Gilbey and DJ aren’t going to get you out of this league, even if used as back up
If we had just swapped Pratley, Oshilaja, Shinnie and Smith for Dobson, Clare, CBT and Lavelle we would have been there or there abouts.
We are in a much worse position than we were 12 months ago, with more contracted players.
We knew Millar and Maatsen would leave but made no conscious effort to replace them. We knew JFC was out in April, Aneke in June. Only Amos was replaced of those 5.1
