I was in shock at the end of that. We looked good for most of the first half, and the Bolton equaliser, badly defended as it was, felt a bit against the run of play. But there was a worrying five minutes after that when our heads dropped and we clung on for half time. Second half was an even affair - Bolton looked a lot better but we were right with them, up until the second goal. But there ws a horrible look as a number of our players ran out of gas and needed replacing. And then Bolton scored again, and again our heads dropped, and tis time Bolton had time to turn the screw, which they did - thye had what looked like a clear penalty turned down too.
By the end, we could all see this is a team with relegation written all over it. I wanted Adkins to succeed but he won't be turning this around - 24 changes in four matches is pure desperation. But a new manager will inheirit the same problems. A big number of our squad can't do 90 minutes, and we're at the end of september. Where is Kirk and the lad we bought from Swindon (who's name escapes me)? We looked good for 45 minutes against Gillingham and again tonight, so why do we disintegrate so badly?
Adkins time is up sadly, but all the problems will remain within the playing side. We need a good appointment to get the team playing to a system they can all work in, but the worry is we will get another knee jerk appointment who will need instant success and be fired when it doesn't happen. It's notable a lot of those yelling for Adkins to go don't really have a plan to take the club forward beyond sacking everyone and starting again. That ain't gonna happen. Curbs made a good point post match, that continually changing the squad and the tactics is near impossible when you only have two training days between one match and the next to implement the new plan, But after Bolton, we'll need to do it again.
Enough! I have no idea who we could lure into Adkins empty seat on the bench, or if we'll be promoting Jackson, which apart from the huge bond etween him and the fans, would be a big risk. But we are in a dire position now, after only ten games, and we need a manager who can convert the its of our squad into a team. And patience for it to happen. Saturday will be fun.
The score line don’t really reflect the game .. first half we were excellent best home performance of the season .. our movement was good … then a bad mistake by the ref for their goal McG clearly had a player in an offside position in his eye line and it’s 1-1 .. totally undeserved by Bolton .. second half again end to end very even game looked like a draw .. then a deflected effort finds its way into our goal .. straight down the other end and we are centimetres from going 2-2 with Washington lob ( that goes in if your top of the league ) … Late on a third and another offside goal for the 4th …
but it far far from a poor performance and like Gillingham , Pompey we showed we can play but we need a little luck to go our way a d the right decisions made by officials
All this talk of another protest smacks of a toddlers tantrum to me.
We can’t keep bloody protesting every time we get a run of bad results. It’s embarrassing on and off the pitch. Some of the drivel and venom I’ve read on Twitter is sickening. People being very abusive to TS.
As for last night I opted to save my £10 and read the match thread. Having watched the highlights it’s the basics yet again we fail to do in defence.
The middle of the park is a stroll.
The alarm bells should have rang for everyone when Morgan was given the number 10.
PWR having slept on it. First 30 or so minutes thought we were very good. Our wide men caused them no end of problems with some real end product. Then we stopped using them and Bolton got back into it. Thought Clare, Lee and Watson were decent in that opening period too.They targeted Matthews by always having a man out wide hugging the touchline. Gave that player space to pick up the ball and get going at him which Matthews was unable to deal with all night.
Up to their 2nd goal I actually thought we were the better side albeit without creating a great deal. Sadly Leko going off and CBT disappearing pretty much ended our attacking threat. Once that 2nd goal went in any confidence evaporated immediately and the rest was obvious. Defensively and offensively our full backs just aren't good enough. Purrington offers nothing going forward and Matthews was done time and again by the man cutting inside.
Centre half position also a worry. Lavelle reminds me a bit of Phil Chapell but without the aerial dominance and Famewo has a horror pass in him most of the time he gets the ball. That said he was busting a gut at towards the end to get us forward and try and make something happen.
Adkins has to go. As much as people say they don't identify with these players it's a squad that is so much better than the results it is achieving. No idea who we could bring in to replace him but someone who can vary their tactics during a game would be a positive start.
At the end of the day the results and current league position are totally unacceptable. NA being the manager will take the flak for the situation and more than likely pay the price for it if he doesnt get 3 points on Saturday. What surprises me is that 10 games in and we have so many unfit players incapable of playing much more than 45 minutes, they are suposed to be professional athletes ffs it's their job so wtf is going on ? People calling out for JJ how do we know that he isnt part of the problem ? Surely looking at the current performances Deano had it right last night when he said everyone from players, manager, coaches have to take responsibility for the situation. If I were NA I would get everyone in today ( piss off with the recovery day ) sit them in a room and get some hard truths out in the open. If there is discord in the camp it needs sorting quickly otherwise we could be facing the unthinkable in a few months.
I think the saddest thing is I've never been less interested in Charlton. Barely even got a reaction from me when they started thumping us. Couldn't even be bothered to go last night I just stayed at home. Fallen out of love with football massively, never thought I'd say that.
I think the saddest thing is I've never been less interested in Charlton. Barely even got a reaction from me when they started thumping us. Couldn't even be bothered to go last night I just stayed at home. Fallen out of love with football massively, never thought I'd say that.
I went through what you are feeling during the Dowie season - took a few years to get the passion back I can tell you…..
Shall we create a separate thread for the I-Told-You-So's? They're taking up so much of the site
Tbh @Chunes, us ITYS were royally rounded on and made to feel like heretics on this forum. The reality is we are loyal fans who absolutely love the club. I've been going since the age of 7 so 54 years and I am really hurting this morning.
Afraid I have seen it all before and bought the t shirt. The young ones on here haven't and naturally are glass half full. I said on the pre match thread we'd lose by 3 goals as we are a rabble without a game plan. Bolton would be and were the opposite.
Anyway back to lurking on this forum for me. Sorry if you think we are crowing about our pre season predictions about ill prepared squads, lack of strikers, shit manager, crap full backs, no centre midfielders etc etc.
10 games into a season is when you can start to Judge: we are 23rd in League1.
Played some of our best football in first half but were picked apart as the 2nd half worn on and the heads dropped.
Superb attitude from Josh Davison who is the fittest and quickest member of the squad. I was gob smacked when he was left out of the 18 man squad against Cheltenham.
Curbs and Deano summed up our plight under Nigel Atkins.
Listen to guys who have been successful at Cafc on and off the pitch.
The Bolton manager quoted as saying that if they could hold out until 60 minutes he knew Charlton would fatigue as you cannot keep up the high press for 90 minutes.
Seems like everyone, us and the opposition can see what the issues are but not those on the ground inside the club.
I know I keep banging on about the naivety been shown by our owner, but as I've posted before having a near empty premier league quality stadium with a super duper senior management structure is ludicrous to put it mildly when you're second from bottom of league one.
12,700 was the attendance but in reality was there more than 8-9,000 in the ground?
The crowd looked really sparse in the West and Covered end.
Pre season Thomas wanted the Valley full... some bloody hope of that in the near future.
Time to show that the Billy big bollocks isn't just all show and no substance.
Another thing to note I think is the lack of quality players that have come through the academy in recent years. Only Davison in last night’s squad and though he works hard he’s not what we are used to.
It is things like that which are a hangover from the Duchatalet nightmare that Sandgaard has to fight with.
Shall we create a separate thread for the I-Told-You-So's? They're taking up so much of the site
Tbh @Chunes, us ITYS were royally rounded on and made to feel like heretics on this forum. The reality is we are loyal fans who absolutely love the club. I've been going since the age of 7 so 54 years and I am really hurting this morning.
Afraid I have seen it all before and bought the t shirt. The young ones on here haven't and naturally are glass half full. I said on the pre match thread we'd lose by 3 goals as we are a rabble without a game plan. Bolton would be and were the opposite.
Anyway back to lurking on this forum for me. Sorry if you think we are crowing about our pre season predictions about ill prepared squads, lack of strikers, shit manager, crap full backs, no centre midfielders etc etc.
Everybody who has shared an opinion on this forum has been roundly disagreed with at some point. I'm sure everyone has posted an I Told You So, as well. I know I have. But it's on every page these days, has CL turned into a point-scoring exercise? I thought this site's purpose was for sharing opinions, agreeing and disagreeing? At some point surely you just have to get over yourself and move on. Some users are bringing up the same ITYS twice a day. It's not a good look, it's petty.
I'll leave everything else for another post, but that formationdoesn't work, and never will with the players we have. You'll get good periods, but never long enough to win many games, and we will always be vulnerable at the other end
What we had out there - 4231 or 4213 - a centre forward, a very advanced No 10 (Lee) and 2 wingers only works if the 2 wingers are the sorts of players who can chase back to help their full backs, as otherwise they get hopelessly exposed. And it needs really fit players too, the sort who can run and up down the flanks all game, and not flag with 30 to go.
For the first 30 minutes yes we looked good going forward, but as with every other game we look so vulnerable down the flanks, as defending isn't the forte of CBT and Leko. As they tired (CBT in particular), any protection dried up completely, and we faced waves of attacks. Being a Charlton full back this season is a nightmare job, as every team has spotted our weakness there, and it's not the fault of Watson and Clare/Gilbey either, as by trying to protect both the middle of the park and the flanks, they end up protecting neither.
Just wanted to say, I totally agree with this and it was even worse against Pompey which was 4-2-2-2.
It's so obvious , I cant understand why a professional coach can't see it.
By all means blame Mathews but he had no chance with that formation and Bolton knew it.
Shall we create a separate thread for the I-Told-You-So's? They're taking up so much of the site
Tbh @Chunes, us ITYS were royally rounded on and made to feel like heretics on this forum. The reality is we are loyal fans who absolutely love the club. I've been going since the age of 7 so 54 years and I am really hurting this morning.
Afraid I have seen it all before and bought the t shirt. The young ones on here haven't and naturally are glass half full. I said on the pre match thread we'd lose by 3 goals as we are a rabble without a game plan. Bolton would be and were the opposite.
Anyway back to lurking on this forum for me. Sorry if you think we are crowing about our pre season predictions about ill prepared squads, lack of strikers, shit manager, crap full backs, no centre midfielders etc etc.
Everybody who has shared an opinion on this forum has been roundly disagreed with at some point. I'm sure everyone has posted an I Told You So, as well. I know I have. But it's on every page these days, has CL turned into a point-scoring exercise? I thought this site's purpose was for sharing opinions, agreeing and disagreeing? At some point surely you just have to get over yourself and move on. Some users are bringing up the same ITYS twice a day. It's not a good look, it's petty.
Completely agree. It doesn't help that you get a few posters who think each post is aimed at them to comment and must spend way too many unhealthy hours on here per day.
I think the saddest thing is I've never been less interested in Charlton. Barely even got a reaction from me when they started thumping us. Couldn't even be bothered to go last night I just stayed at home. Fallen out of love with football massively, never thought I'd say that.
I went through what you are feeling during the Dowie season - took a few years to get the passion back I can tell you…..
I left during early part of Chris Powell reign- Gary Doherty did a back header that striker ran on to and scored- and I didn't go back until Taylor-Grant combo linked up. Missed the whole Powell promotion season- if it doesn't bring you joy get rid and I still don't regret missing it. Still signed in for the moment......
The single biggest stand out for me is the space created when Watson ‘presses’ or closes a player down. He’s 2 yards too slow to make the challenge, the ball is played around him and he’s out of position leaving a gaping hole for the opposition to occupy.
He makes the odd challenge and plays the odd decent pass. But he is a huge problem in this side, much as he was under Bowyer because he doesn’t suit the way we are trying to play.
Think we need a bigger change than just the manager.
The recruitment model failed big time and needs to change.
Whether that's by sacking one of the members of the committee or just giving the manager a much bigger say in who comes in and out, something needs to happen by January to keep us out of League Two.
All this talk of another protest smacks of a toddlers tantrum to me.
We can’t keep bloody protesting every time we get a run of bad results. It’s embarrassing on and off the pitch. Some of the drivel and venom I’ve read on Twitter is sickening. People being very abusive to TS.
As for last night I opted to save my £10 and read the match thread. Having watched the highlights it’s the basics yet again we fail to do in defence.
The middle of the park is a stroll.
The alarm bells should have rang for everyone when Morgan was given the number 10.
“All this talk”? It’s just a bloke with a meaningless Twitter handle who is so in touch with events that he doesn’t even know Rotherham is an international weekend. Laughable.
Sandgaard, of all people, knows what the fans are saying. I don’t personally see any point in giving Adkins Fleetwood, but I’d sack him regardless of the result. This structure doesn’t work - too many mistakes in the window, too many mistakes on the pitch. Results will bring it down. It’s only a question of when.
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By the end, we could all see this is a team with relegation written all over it. I wanted Adkins to succeed but he won't be turning this around - 24 changes in four matches is pure desperation. But a new manager will inheirit the same problems. A big number of our squad can't do 90 minutes, and we're at the end of september. Where is Kirk and the lad we bought from Swindon (who's name escapes me)? We looked good for 45 minutes against Gillingham and again tonight, so why do we disintegrate so badly?
Adkins time is up sadly, but all the problems will remain within the playing side. We need a good appointment to get the team playing to a system they can all work in, but the worry is we will get another knee jerk appointment who will need instant success and be fired when it doesn't happen. It's notable a lot of those yelling for Adkins to go don't really have a plan to take the club forward beyond sacking everyone and starting again. That ain't gonna happen. Curbs made a good point post match, that continually changing the squad and the tactics is near impossible when you only have two training days between one match and the next to implement the new plan, But after Bolton, we'll need to do it again.
Enough! I have no idea who we could lure into Adkins empty seat on the bench, or if we'll be promoting Jackson, which apart from the huge bond etween him and the fans, would be a big risk. But we are in a dire position now, after only ten games, and we need a manager who can convert the its of our squad into a team. And patience for it to happen. Saturday will be fun.
Oh dam I've just woken up.
but it far far from a poor performance and like Gillingham , Pompey we showed we can play but we need a little luck to go our way a d the right decisions made by officials
Can't remember who we played!
Up to their 2nd goal I actually thought we were the better side albeit without creating a great deal. Sadly Leko going off and CBT disappearing pretty much ended our attacking threat. Once that 2nd goal went in any confidence evaporated immediately and the rest was obvious. Defensively and offensively our full backs just aren't good enough. Purrington offers nothing going forward and Matthews was done time and again by the man cutting inside.
Centre half position also a worry. Lavelle reminds me a bit of Phil Chapell but without the aerial dominance and Famewo has a horror pass in him most of the time he gets the ball. That said he was busting a gut at towards the end to get us forward and try and make something happen.
Adkins has to go. As much as people say they don't identify with these players it's a squad that is so much better than the results it is achieving. No idea who we could bring in to replace him but someone who can vary their tactics during a game would be a positive start.
What surprises me is that 10 games in and we have so many unfit players incapable of playing much more than 45 minutes, they are suposed to be professional athletes ffs it's their job so wtf is going on ?
People calling out for JJ how do we know that he isnt part of the problem ? Surely looking at the current performances Deano had it right last night when he said everyone from players, manager, coaches have to take responsibility for the situation.
If I were NA I would get everyone in today ( piss off with the recovery day ) sit them in a room and get some hard truths out in the open. If there is discord in the camp it needs sorting quickly otherwise we could be facing the unthinkable in a few months.
Afraid I have seen it all before and bought the t shirt. The young ones on here haven't and naturally are glass half full. I said on the pre match thread we'd lose by 3 goals as we are a rabble without a game plan. Bolton would be and were the opposite.
Anyway back to lurking on this forum for me. Sorry if you think we are crowing about our pre season predictions about ill prepared squads, lack of strikers, shit manager, crap full backs, no centre midfielders etc etc.
Played some of our best football in first half but were picked apart as the 2nd half worn on and the heads dropped.
Superb attitude from Josh Davison who is the fittest and quickest member of the squad. I was gob smacked when he was left out of the 18 man squad against Cheltenham.
Curbs and Deano summed up our plight under Nigel Atkins.
Listen to guys who have been successful at Cafc on and off the pitch.
12,700 was the attendance but in reality was there more than 8-9,000 in the ground?
Players have to take responsibility, whatever the coaching, selection or tactics they are on the pitch, but it's the manager where the buck stops.
Ultimately you win games or get sacked.
Just think Thomas has invested so much financially and reputationally in Adkins and this model he'll be reluctant to pull the trigger.
Roddy appears to be the king maker and will he say he's got a lot wrong? Does he think he's done anything wrong? Does Thomas?
Derek Ufton once told me that after ten games you know where you are and how the season will pan out.
Sadly, I can't now see this situation changing under Adkins whether it's all his fault or not.
I don't know what the solution is or who would be the correct next manager.
Technically and experience wise this is not a bad squad of players but they are playing badly and that is down to them as much as any manager.
Assuming the Rotherham game is postponed, the Fleetwood game could be the final straw for TS.
Lose or draw that then there is s two week gap for a new boss to be appointed.
It's so obvious , I cant understand why a professional coach can't see it.
By all means blame Mathews but he had no chance with that formation and Bolton knew it.
and I still don't regret missing it.
Still signed in for the moment......
He makes the odd challenge and plays the odd decent pass. But he is a huge problem in this side, much as he was under Bowyer because he doesn’t suit the way we are trying to play.
The recruitment model failed big time and needs to change.
Whether that's by sacking one of the members of the committee or just giving the manager a much bigger say in who comes in and out, something needs to happen by January to keep us out of League Two.