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Homophobic abuse at today's game (ed - Not Charlton fans)
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Yes. "It was acceptable back then" or "why can't we draw a line under it", among other similar sentiments, fundamentally misunderstand the issue.JohnnyH2 said:
Do you mean a lot of the people on this forum in their opinions on this issue?PaddyP17 said:Absolute state of this thread. There is a fundamental misunderstanding on this board and, in some corners, an unwillingness to change and adapt.
I'll call it out when I see it, and like on Tuesday when in the pub with a couple of mates, I will call out any homophobic or otherwise pejorative language immediately. (And much to my surprise, I got a very sincere apology.)
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Curb_It said:@Henry Irving Ahh right, I dont know why I even thought it was does your boyfriend know you're here.
@Curb_It you were right, that was what he said he was singing but the police on the SAG told another story.1 -
This thread needs bumping, at 12 pages it's still way behind the 27 pages on women or ladies.0
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You had a beer tonight mate?Covered End said:This thread needs bumping, at 12 pages it's still way behind the 27 pages on women or ladies.0 -
Thank god we have people like you about to save us.Henry Irving said:
I remember it too as I was on the safety advisory group at the time.Curb_It said:We had a fan arrested a few years ago for homophobic singing down at Brighton station. Arrested for singing “does your boyfriend know your here”. I only remember it because of @ValleyGary ‘s response to it. Still makes me laugh.
What he was actually singing, very drunkenly hours before the game and in the middle of a shopping area with families and kids around was
"Do you take it up the arse?"
Police told him to leave town and not go to the game.
But he turned up at the game and got nicked.
For some reason, presumably to save face with rather middle class parents IIRC, he made up the "holding hands" story and put it on social media to garner sympathy from the "PC Gone Mad brigade" and play the victim.
We see a lot of this victim playing from the far right nowadays "they are taking away my freedom to abuse people, I'm the real victim, I'm being oppressed "
Safety advisory group? Ha ha ha.Did you get to wear a cape?
Or was it a badge on your cardigan?2 -
You don’t think it makes sense to have supporters in such groups?ROTW said:
Thank god we have people like you about to save us.Henry Irving said:
I remember it too as I was on the safety advisory group at the time.Curb_It said:We had a fan arrested a few years ago for homophobic singing down at Brighton station. Arrested for singing “does your boyfriend know your here”. I only remember it because of @ValleyGary ‘s response to it. Still makes me laugh.
What he was actually singing, very drunkenly hours before the game and in the middle of a shopping area with families and kids around was
"Do you take it up the arse?"
Police told him to leave town and not go to the game.
But he turned up at the game and got nicked.
For some reason, presumably to save face with rather middle class parents IIRC, he made up the "holding hands" story and put it on social media to garner sympathy from the "PC Gone Mad brigade" and play the victim.
We see a lot of this victim playing from the far right nowadays "they are taking away my freedom to abuse people, I'm the real victim, I'm being oppressed "
Safety advisory group? Ha ha ha.Did you get to wear a cape?
Or was it a badge on your cardigan?0 -
Oh, you're such a wit.
A cardigan reference, that really cuts to the quick.
PS you don't even know what the safety advisory group was do you?0 -
Something to do with safety?Henry Irving said:Oh, you're such a wit.
A cardigan reference, that really cuts to the quick.
PS you don't even know what the safety advisory group was do you?3 -
Seems a few have had a couple of brave pills tonight 🙄0
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Im glad to read that the next time you hear someone/group shout, for example, "chav, pikey, scum" and other pejorative language you will call it out immediately. Being consistent with all forms of abuse is essential if one is to be taken seriously.PaddyP17 said:Absolute state of this thread. There is a fundamental misunderstanding on this board and, in some corners, an unwillingness to change and adapt.
I'll call it out when I see it, and like on Tuesday when in the pub with a couple of mates, I will call out any homophobic or otherwise pejorative language immediately. (And much to my surprise, I got a very sincere apology.)
Being aggrieved at just "some" forms of abuse makes the whole woke thing utterly ludicrous.
Good luck in making the world a better place. For everyone!2 -
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What on earth is wrong with singing "we can see you holding hands"?Cloudworm said:
Ah yeah, all good clean fun. Remember the monkey chants too? Nobody got ‘harmed’.eaststandmike said:
We always used to sing "We can see you holding hands" to the Brighton fans and in return they called us "Dirty Northern Bastards" All good fun and nobody got harmed.SantaClaus said:I don't remember much homophobic abuse at the Valley over the years. The only incident that sticks in my mind was some witty Charlton fan shouting out 'Are you a faggot Bent?' or something similar at Marcus Bent when he was playing for Sheffield United. The look of absolute contempt he shot back when he heard it was the only time I ever had any respect for the guy. Pretty sure he went on to rip us a new one in that game too.
Some of the greatest comedians this country has given a platform to were not only same sex attracted but were also passionate defenders of freedom of speech. You clearly haven't listened to much Round The Horne, The Goons or read the memoirs of the Carry On cast. They really would despair of this soporific bore that woke folk are creating in this society and in the beautiful game.
They were able to laugh at themselves and at others.
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You'll have to define what "anti-fascism" in 2022 actually means ~ to YOU Vincenzo. It seems to mean all sorts of different things to different people depending on how batty their Godless left-wing bias is. You reference Churchill apropos nothing. You are apparently writing a book about "antifascist" football clubs presumably ones that exist in 2022 and not in the Churchill era. Do please explain what exactly "anti-fascist" in 2022 means to you. I'd love to know.Vincenzo said:
Anti-fascism is ugly? Are you actually pro-fascist?ValleyOfTears said:Vincenzo said:Am also co-writing a book on left-wing/anti-fascist football clubs around the world, to be published later this year. So am a proper loon.Vincenzo said:Am also co-writing a book on left-wing/anti-fascist football clubs around the world, to be published later this year. So am a proper loon.What a desperately tragic waste of time. Looking for ugliness in the beautiful game.
You're going to be furious when you find out what Winston Churchill got up to in WWII.2 -
In 2020s Great Britain there are two sides, illustrated by this odd comment.ROTW said:
Thank god we have people like you about to save us.Henry Irving said:
I remember it too as I was on the safety advisory group at the time.Curb_It said:We had a fan arrested a few years ago for homophobic singing down at Brighton station. Arrested for singing “does your boyfriend know your here”. I only remember it because of @ValleyGary ‘s response to it. Still makes me laugh.
What he was actually singing, very drunkenly hours before the game and in the middle of a shopping area with families and kids around was
"Do you take it up the arse?"
Police told him to leave town and not go to the game.
But he turned up at the game and got nicked.
For some reason, presumably to save face with rather middle class parents IIRC, he made up the "holding hands" story and put it on social media to garner sympathy from the "PC Gone Mad brigade" and play the victim.
We see a lot of this victim playing from the far right nowadays "they are taking away my freedom to abuse people, I'm the real victim, I'm being oppressed "
Safety advisory group? Ha ha ha.Did you get to wear a cape?
Or was it a badge on your cardigan?
The side that gets the ‘ump with people being bellends, and the side that gets the ‘ump with people who have a problem with people being bellends.Just ask yourself which side you should probably be on next time your blood starts to boil over this type of thing.4 -
Anti fascism = opposed to fascism.ValleyOfTears said:
You'll have to define what "anti-fascism" in 2022 actually means ~ to YOU Vincenzo. It seems to mean all sorts of different things to different people depending on how batty their Godless left-wing bias is. You reference Churchill apropos nothing. You are apparently writing a book about "antifascist" football clubs presumably ones that exist in 2022 and not in the Churchill era. Do please explain what exactly "anti-fascist" in 2022 means to you. I'd love to know.Vincenzo said:
Anti-fascism is ugly? Are you actually pro-fascist?ValleyOfTears said:Vincenzo said:Am also co-writing a book on left-wing/anti-fascist football clubs around the world, to be published later this year. So am a proper loon.Vincenzo said:Am also co-writing a book on left-wing/anti-fascist football clubs around the world, to be published later this year. So am a proper loon.What a desperately tragic waste of time. Looking for ugliness in the beautiful game.
You're going to be furious when you find out what Winston Churchill got up to in WWII.
Its pantwettingly simple to understand. What it means to you or anyone else is irrelevant.So tell us, which are you a fascist or an anti-fascist?? Cos everyone is either one or the other?6 -
Being woke is far from being sleepily boring, it is about being anti racist, and is an invigorating and life affirming state to be in.
I would urge everybody to be woke, and fight back against any snide sneering criticism of being like that. Challenge the racists. Resist the racists.0 -
Interestingly, one facet of fascism, mentioned in definitions found in just about any reputable dictionary, is the absolute refusal to accept the validity of an opposing view.seth plum said:Being woke is far from being sleepily boring, it is about being anti racist, and is an invigorating and life affirming state to be in.
I would urge everybody to be woke, and fight back against any snide sneering criticism of being like that. Challenge the racists. Resist the racists.1 -
I hear the view of racists a lot.
It is not fascist to push back against those views.1 -
Let me answer your question with a question, if I may.ValleyOfTears said:
What on earth is wrong with singing "we can see you holding hands"?Cloudworm said:
Ah yeah, all good clean fun. Remember the monkey chants too? Nobody got ‘harmed’.eaststandmike said:
We always used to sing "We can see you holding hands" to the Brighton fans and in return they called us "Dirty Northern Bastards" All good fun and nobody got harmed.SantaClaus said:I don't remember much homophobic abuse at the Valley over the years. The only incident that sticks in my mind was some witty Charlton fan shouting out 'Are you a faggot Bent?' or something similar at Marcus Bent when he was playing for Sheffield United. The look of absolute contempt he shot back when he heard it was the only time I ever had any respect for the guy. Pretty sure he went on to rip us a new one in that game too.
Some of the greatest comedians this country has given a platform to were not only same sex attracted but were also passionate defenders of freedom of speech. You clearly haven't listened to much Round The Horne, The Goons or read the memoirs of the Carry On cast. They really would despair of this soporific bore that woke folk are creating in this society and in the beautiful game.
They were able to laugh at themselves and at others.
What’s the point of it?1 -
The point of singing ‘I can see you holding hands’ is an attempt to mock people in same sex relationships, the implication being that same sex couples are abnormal in some way. Whilst the ‘I’ in the chant implies ‘I’ wouldn’t hold hands with somebody of the same sex as me because ‘I’ wouldn’t want to be seen as ‘abnormal’.
Maybe those singing it are on a journey exploring their own sexuality, and the song is one of desperation to ‘other’ some people, in the hope of being accepted by those they want to be like.4 -
ValleyOfTears said:
What on earth is wrong with singing "we can see you holding hands"?Cloudworm said:
Ah yeah, all good clean fun. Remember the monkey chants too? Nobody got ‘harmed’.eaststandmike said:
We always used to sing "We can see you holding hands" to the Brighton fans and in return they called us "Dirty Northern Bastards" All good fun and nobody got harmed.SantaClaus said:I don't remember much homophobic abuse at the Valley over the years. The only incident that sticks in my mind was some witty Charlton fan shouting out 'Are you a faggot Bent?' or something similar at Marcus Bent when he was playing for Sheffield United. The look of absolute contempt he shot back when he heard it was the only time I ever had any respect for the guy. Pretty sure he went on to rip us a new one in that game too.
Some of the greatest comedians this country has given a platform to were not only same sex attracted but were also passionate defenders of freedom of speech. You clearly haven't listened to much Round The Horne, The Goons or read the memoirs of the Carry On cast. They really would despair of this soporific bore that woke folk are creating in this society and in the beautiful game.
They were able to laugh at themselves and at others.
Correct - and I should be able to laugh at you, but for the fact that you are a bigot purporting to be a man of God (now that is something I can laugh at).
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Absolutely this!Mametz said:
Interestingly, one facet of fascism, mentioned in definitions found in just about any reputable dictionary, is the absolute refusal to accept the validity of an opposing view.seth plum said:Being woke is far from being sleepily boring, it is about being anti racist, and is an invigorating and life affirming state to be in.
I would urge everybody to be woke, and fight back against any snide sneering criticism of being like that. Challenge the racists. Resist the racists.
A lot of people would benefit from looking up the definition of 'bigotry' also.0 -
That's just it SP woke ISNT all about being anti-racist. If it was simply that, I think we could all join together under its banner. It's Marxist overreach and is about silencing anyone who dares to have a view (that is ever changing and more ridiculous by the day) that challenges theirs. As with all Marxist attitudes woke doesn't care for the perceived victim (which is what is Same sex attracted persons. People of colour, the disabled, the poor etc it just hates the perceived perpetrator. This is why woke is not Christianity. There is no love in the heart of woke. It is a fake religion.seth plum said:Being woke is far from being sleepily boring, it is about being anti racist, and is an invigorating and life affirming state to be in.
I would urge everybody to be woke, and fight back against any snide sneering criticism of being like that. Challenge the racists. Resist the racists.
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Laugh away! I'm not woke. Bantz always welcome!bobmunro said:ValleyOfTears said:
What on earth is wrong with singing "we can see you holding hands"?Cloudworm said:
Ah yeah, all good clean fun. Remember the monkey chants too? Nobody got ‘harmed’.eaststandmike said:
We always used to sing "We can see you holding hands" to the Brighton fans and in return they called us "Dirty Northern Bastards" All good fun and nobody got harmed.SantaClaus said:I don't remember much homophobic abuse at the Valley over the years. The only incident that sticks in my mind was some witty Charlton fan shouting out 'Are you a faggot Bent?' or something similar at Marcus Bent when he was playing for Sheffield United. The look of absolute contempt he shot back when he heard it was the only time I ever had any respect for the guy. Pretty sure he went on to rip us a new one in that game too.
Some of the greatest comedians this country has given a platform to were not only same sex attracted but were also passionate defenders of freedom of speech. You clearly haven't listened to much Round The Horne, The Goons or read the memoirs of the Carry On cast. They really would despair of this soporific bore that woke folk are creating in this society and in the beautiful game.
They were able to laugh at themselves and at others.
Correct - and I should be able to laugh at you, but for the fact that you are a bigot purporting to be a man of God (now that is something I can laugh at).0 -
How ironic! That's the definition of a Marxist!Mametz said:
Interestingly, one facet of fascism, mentioned in definitions found in just about any reputable dictionary, is the absolute refusal to accept the validity of an opposing view.seth plum said:Being woke is far from being sleepily boring, it is about being anti racist, and is an invigorating and life affirming state to be in.
I would urge everybody to be woke, and fight back against any snide sneering criticism of being like that. Challenge the racists. Resist the racists.0 -
What weird thinking.ValleyOfTears said:
That's just it SP woke ISNT all about being anti-racist. If it was simply that, I think we could all join together under its banner. It's Marxist overreach and is about silencing anyone who dares to have a view (that is ever changing and more ridiculous by the day) that challenges theirs. As with all Marxist attitudes woke doesn't care for the perceived victim (which is what is Same sex attracted persons. People of colour, the disabled, the poor etc it just hates the perceived perpetrator. This is why woke is not Christianity. There is no love in the heart of woke. It is a fake religion.seth plum said:Being woke is far from being sleepily boring, it is about being anti racist, and is an invigorating and life affirming state to be in.
I would urge everybody to be woke, and fight back against any snide sneering criticism of being like that. Challenge the racists. Resist the racists.6 -
How very sad that your little world is reduced to nothing more than far left and far right politics. I thank God that life is so much more than this.BR7_addick said:
Anti fascism = opposed to fascism.ValleyOfTears said:
You'll have to define what "anti-fascism" in 2022 actually means ~ to YOU Vincenzo. It seems to mean all sorts of different things to different people depending on how batty their Godless left-wing bias is. You reference Churchill apropos nothing. You are apparently writing a book about "antifascist" football clubs presumably ones that exist in 2022 and not in the Churchill era. Do please explain what exactly "anti-fascist" in 2022 means to you. I'd love to know.Vincenzo said:
Anti-fascism is ugly? Are you actually pro-fascist?ValleyOfTears said:Vincenzo said:Am also co-writing a book on left-wing/anti-fascist football clubs around the world, to be published later this year. So am a proper loon.Vincenzo said:Am also co-writing a book on left-wing/anti-fascist football clubs around the world, to be published later this year. So am a proper loon.What a desperately tragic waste of time. Looking for ugliness in the beautiful game.
You're going to be furious when you find out what Winston Churchill got up to in WWII.
Its pantwettingly simple to understand. What it means to you or anyone else is irrelevant.So tell us, which are you a fascist or an anti-fascist?? Cos everyone is either one or the other?3 -
You understood it?ME14addick said:
What weird thinking.ValleyOfTears said:
That's just it SP woke ISNT all about being anti-racist. If it was simply that, I think we could all join together under its banner. It's Marxist overreach and is about silencing anyone who dares to have a view (that is ever changing and more ridiculous by the day) that challenges theirs. As with all Marxist attitudes woke doesn't care for the perceived victim (which is what is Same sex attracted persons. People of colour, the disabled, the poor etc it just hates the perceived perpetrator. This is why woke is not Christianity. There is no love in the heart of woke. It is a fake religion.seth plum said:Being woke is far from being sleepily boring, it is about being anti racist, and is an invigorating and life affirming state to be in.
I would urge everybody to be woke, and fight back against any snide sneering criticism of being like that. Challenge the racists. Resist the racists.
Well done.
Absolute gobbledygook to me 🤷♀️2 -
They all are. There is no god.ValleyOfTears said:
That's just it SP woke ISNT all about being anti-racist. If it was simply that, I think we could all join together under its banner. It's Marxist overreach and is about silencing anyone who dares to have a view (that is ever changing and more ridiculous by the day) that challenges theirs. As with all Marxist attitudes woke doesn't care for the perceived victim (which is what is Same sex attracted persons. People of colour, the disabled, the poor etc it just hates the perceived perpetrator. This is why woke is not Christianity. There is no love in the heart of woke. It is a fake religion.seth plum said:Being woke is far from being sleepily boring, it is about being anti racist, and is an invigorating and life affirming state to be in.
I would urge everybody to be woke, and fight back against any snide sneering criticism of being like that. Challenge the racists. Resist the racists.5 -
Bang on, hence why I cant stand JOB and switch him off, and ignore several posters here.Mametz said:
Interestingly, one facet of fascism, mentioned in definitions found in just about any reputable dictionary, is the absolute refusal to accept the validity of an opposing view.seth plum said:Being woke is far from being sleepily boring, it is about being anti racist, and is an invigorating and life affirming state to be in.
I would urge everybody to be woke, and fight back against any snide sneering criticism of being like that. Challenge the racists. Resist the racists.2 -
All religions are fake.ValleyOfTears said:
That's just it SP woke ISNT all about being anti-racist. If it was simply that, I think we could all join together under its banner. It's Marxist overreach and is about silencing anyone who dares to have a view (that is ever changing and more ridiculous by the day) that challenges theirs. As with all Marxist attitudes woke doesn't care for the perceived victim (which is what is Same sex attracted persons. People of colour, the disabled, the poor etc it just hates the perceived perpetrator. This is why woke is not Christianity. There is no love in the heart of woke. It is a fake religion.seth plum said:Being woke is far from being sleepily boring, it is about being anti racist, and is an invigorating and life affirming state to be in.
I would urge everybody to be woke, and fight back against any snide sneering criticism of being like that. Challenge the racists. Resist the racists.1
