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++Juan Castillo signs on loan till end of season++

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  • ValleyOfTears
    ValleyOfTears Posts: 1,067
    As we have no chance in reaching the play offs this year should we not be piecing together a squad that will all be playing together NEXT season when we may harbour designs on a play off berth then? To that end, what is the point of signing any to-the-end-of-the-season  loan players (that are clearly intended to be playing in the first team squad each week) not only will they be gone in May, the position they vacate when they do go will not have been used by a permanent player and the team will once again have to start again. It's all short term thinking and come August we will once again be flapping around looking for this position and that position to be filled. Probably by loannees once again. 
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  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,712
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    Does this mean Papa or Purry are moving on in January?

    Maybe, but both are currently leaving in the summer. Getting a look at Joan castle (the new ventokele) might well be considered a bit of early scouting and coaching, especially if he's available come the summer.

    There's a strong for and against argument for the signing in that regards.
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,154
    Redrobo said:
    Out of contract in May so if it works out we have a chance to make it permanent.
    If Bows said he was overweight and unfit when he arrived we know he will be as fit as a butchers dog now and ready to start.
    I expect him to be in the squad tomorrow.
    Why do some people makes this leap that we may make the move permanent?
    If Chelsea were to be so ready to offload him to a lower-half league one club, doesn't it rather suggest that rather than a young unpolished diamond he may actually be a bit shit  ;)
  • StrikerFirmani
    StrikerFirmani Posts: 2,756
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    Redrobo said:
    Out of contract in May so if it works out we have a chance to make it permanent.
    If Bows said he was overweight and unfit when he arrived we know he will be as fit as a butchers dog now and ready to start.
    I expect him to be in the squad tomorrow.
    Why do some people makes this leap that we may make the move permanent?
    If Chelsea were to be so ready to offload him to a lower-half league one club, doesn't it rather suggest that rather than a young unpolished diamond he may actually be a bit shit  ;)
    That's the ticket, get in first and call it before he plays.  
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,230
    edited January 2022
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    Redrobo said:
    Out of contract in May so if it works out we have a chance to make it permanent.
    If Bows said he was overweight and unfit when he arrived we know he will be as fit as a butchers dog now and ready to start.
    I expect him to be in the squad tomorrow.
    Why do some people makes this leap that we may make the move permanent?
    If Chelsea were to be so ready to offload him to a lower-half league one club, doesn't it rather suggest that rather than a young unpolished diamond he may actually be a bit shit  ;)

    You're right, we'd have been much better off getting Reece James on loan.
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,865
    DartfordAddick said:
    A Chelsea mate of mine reckons he used to be ahead of Maatsen. Obviously not the case right now, hopefully there’s something there to work with. 



    Neither of  them have had a sniff of the Chelsea first team

    Ahead of Maatsen in what?  The Netherlands U16s?
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,865
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I really pleased with this signing, it actually doesn't matter much of he is any good or not.  What does matter is he is obviously here to play in a position we both play with and need at least an option for.

    Add to that he can play left back, left wing back and left mid, could probably play left of a front 3 as well.  He is left footed.  He is obviously quick.  Both of those are missing in our squad so far this season.  Even our quicker players are a bit stop start.

    He has good pedigree but he has also played for two people Jackson knows in the last 3 seasons (I think he played for Pardew and Powell in Holland?).  

    He is out of contract in the summer so there is no harm on having a look see now. 

    Most of all this smacks of a manager signing a player he needs and wants, not one he is given, that hasn't been the case in the last 2 windows.  It needs to happen more.

    It's about time we had a manager and let him manage. 


    That's very enlightened. It fits in with our recent 'how shit can we become?' ethos.

    Can I have a go?
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 40,383
    RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
    Leuth said:
    You'd think Charlton fans of all people would be able to take Bowyer's criticisms of players with a hefty pinch of salt 

    I don't know...the ones he widely criticised have done nothing since he left really.  The one he rated and took to Brum with him saved us a point at the weekend.
    But Bowyer's assessment of Aneke was plainly wrong. Despite Birmingham's overall lack of goals, Bowyer only started him in one  game all season (17 sub appearances).  Aneke never actually "won" Birmingham a single point given that he scored just two goals (final goal in a 5-0 win and a consolation in a 2-1 defeat) with no assists either. Under Bowyer  in the Championship for us and Birmingham, Aneke's record sits at 3 goals and 2 assists from 38 appearances.

    What Bowyer did do well is to take him off us without paying any compensation and then charge us £300k for the privilege of buying him back. Here's hoping that he stays fit for the next couple of seasons because he will score goals in League 1 and that might still prove to be money well spent especially as we got him on a free first time round.
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,154
    StrikerFirmani said:
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    Redrobo said:
    Out of contract in May so if it works out we have a chance to make it permanent.
    If Bows said he was overweight and unfit when he arrived we know he will be as fit as a butchers dog now and ready to start.
    I expect him to be in the squad tomorrow.
    Why do some people makes this leap that we may make the move permanent?
    If Chelsea were to be so ready to offload him to a lower-half league one club, doesn't it rather suggest that rather than a young unpolished diamond he may actually be a bit shit  ;)
    That's the ticket, get in first and call it before he plays.  
    I could do that, or I could put a winky emoji at the end of my post to signify to the dim that I'm not being serious
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,154
    Exiled_Addick said:
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    Redrobo said:
    Out of contract in May so if it works out we have a chance to make it permanent.
    If Bows said he was overweight and unfit when he arrived we know he will be as fit as a butchers dog now and ready to start.
    I expect him to be in the squad tomorrow.
    Why do some people makes this leap that we may make the move permanent?
    If Chelsea were to be so ready to offload him to a lower-half league one club, doesn't it rather suggest that rather than a young unpolished diamond he may actually be a bit shit  ;)

    You're right, we'd have been much better off getting Reece James on loan.
    Yeh, who'd a thought?

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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    jimmymelrose said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I really pleased with this signing, it actually doesn't matter much of he is any good or not.  What does matter is he is obviously here to play in a position we both play with and need at least an option for.

    Add to that he can play left back, left wing back and left mid, could probably play left of a front 3 as well.  He is left footed.  He is obviously quick.  Both of those are missing in our squad so far this season.  Even our quicker players are a bit stop start.

    He has good pedigree but he has also played for two people Jackson knows in the last 3 seasons (I think he played for Pardew and Powell in Holland?).  

    He is out of contract in the summer so there is no harm on having a look see now. 

    Most of all this smacks of a manager signing a player he needs and wants, not one he is given, that hasn't been the case in the last 2 windows.  It needs to happen more.

    It's about time we had a manager and let him manage. 


    That's very enlightened. It fits in with our recent 'how shit can we become?' ethos.

    Can I have a go?
    Did you read the rest of it? 
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,154
    For the record - welcome Juan.
    It's an important position in the system we play and hopefully he'll add an exciting dimension to our forward play.
    Be interesting to see where that leaves Ben Purriington, but I imagine Souare is for the scrapheap
  • Richard J
    Richard J Posts: 8,040
    Not sure how I fell about this move.

    As some posters have commented I like us to have a good complement of left footed players , Juan certainly ticks that box, particularly if he can take dead ball kicks. As a squad option he replaces Maatsen in my view.

    It is next season that concerns me. I would like to feel that conversations have already been had about either a loan for next season or a permanent contract otherwise this is pointless.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Richard J said:
    Not sure how I fell about this move.

    As some posters have commented I like us to have a good complement of left footed players , Juan certainly ticks that box, particularly if he can take dead ball kicks. As a squad option he replaces Maatsen in my view.

    It is next season that concerns me. I would like to feel that conversations have already been had about either a loan for next season or a permanent contract otherwise this is pointless.
    Is it any less pointless than playing our own players that won't be here next season?

    Even if we can't/don't sign him in the summer it could one that happens 6 months, a year, 18 months down the line.  That's not the case with the likes of Souare, Gunter, Watson etc. 
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,865
    Cafc43v3r said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I really pleased with this signing, it actually doesn't matter much of he is any good or not.  What does matter is he is obviously here to play in a position we both play with and need at least an option for.

    Add to that he can play left back, left wing back and left mid, could probably play left of a front 3 as well.  He is left footed.  He is obviously quick.  Both of those are missing in our squad so far this season.  Even our quicker players are a bit stop start.

    He has good pedigree but he has also played for two people Jackson knows in the last 3 seasons (I think he played for Pardew and Powell in Holland?).  

    He is out of contract in the summer so there is no harm on having a look see now. 

    Most of all this smacks of a manager signing a player he needs and wants, not one he is given, that hasn't been the case in the last 2 windows.  It needs to happen more.

    It's about time we had a manager and let him manage. 


    That's very enlightened. It fits in with our recent 'how shit can we become?' ethos.

    Can I have a go?
    Did you read the rest of it? 
    Yes but none of the rest (left footed, quick, fits into the system, versatile, contract situation) matters if he's no good 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    jimmymelrose said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I really pleased with this signing, it actually doesn't matter much of he is any good or not.  What does matter is he is obviously here to play in a position we both play with and need at least an option for.

    Add to that he can play left back, left wing back and left mid, could probably play left of a front 3 as well.  He is left footed.  He is obviously quick.  Both of those are missing in our squad so far this season.  Even our quicker players are a bit stop start.

    He has good pedigree but he has also played for two people Jackson knows in the last 3 seasons (I think he played for Pardew and Powell in Holland?).  

    He is out of contract in the summer so there is no harm on having a look see now. 

    Most of all this smacks of a manager signing a player he needs and wants, not one he is given, that hasn't been the case in the last 2 windows.  It needs to happen more.

    It's about time we had a manager and let him manage. 


    That's very enlightened. It fits in with our recent 'how shit can we become?' ethos.

    Can I have a go?
    Did you read the rest of it? 
    Yes but none of the rest (left footed, quick, fits into the system, versatile, contract situation) matters if he's no good 
    It was about why we signed him, not ever transfer will work, but if you sign them for the right reason it's at least a move in the right direction.

    We have signed too many players for the wrong reasons and that's part of the reason why we are in this mess.  One or two signings won't change that but a change of philosophy just might. 
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,943
    Why wouldn’t you want to watch him and his brother in the same team?

    Because if you’ve seen Juan Castillo, you’ve seen them all. 
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,943
    edited January 2022
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  • vff
    vff Posts: 6,914
    edited January 2022
    I am not sure about Charlton sticking to one formation whatever. If you players injured or the opposition has sussed out how to play that formation with the players you have got, then some flexibility is needed. Curbs favoured 442 but changed formation to match the opposition regularly if needed.
    If we are stuck with 352, for the moment, then good to have some players, who can play in the wing back position - Juan Castillo fits that bill. From wikkipedia has played for the Dutch International team up to the under 20s and for Den Haag, so should be comfortable with passing the ball and playing the ball on the floor.
    Considering that League One is full of tall players (many not that great at football), Castillo is quite small at 5ft 9 inches.
    I understand that Castillo had Covid. Recovering from Covid is a  very individual thing, but Charlton have some experience with bringing Alex Gilbey back to full fitness. Hopefully, it is a bit of forward planning with cover and options for final third of season.
    Youth career
    2007–2009 Zeeburgia
    2009–2016 Ajax
    2016–2019 Chelsea
    Senior career*
    Years Team Apps (Gls)
    2019– Chelsea 0 (0)
    2019–2020 → Jong Ajax (loan) 23 (0)
    2020–2021 → AZ (loan) 1 (0)
    2020–2021 → Jong AZ (loan) 6 (0)
    2021 → ADO Den Haag (loan) 16 (0)
    2021–2022 → Birmingham City (loan) 3 (0)
    2022– → Charlton Athletic (loan) 0 (0)
    National team‡
    2014–2015 Netherlands U15 8 (0)
    2015–2016 Netherlands U16 11 (1)
    2016–2017 Netherlands U17 10 (3)
    2017–2018 Netherlands U18 5 (2)
    2018–2019 Netherlands U19 9 (3)
    2019– Netherlands U20 6 (0)
    * Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only and correct as of 10:08, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
    ‡ National team caps and goals correct as of 19 November 2019

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  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,943
    Leuth said:
    000__Jaaaaay__000 said:
    Birmingham fans don’t rate him at all according to a friend of mine ! 
    Birmingham fans don't have a solitary clue about anything other than crude bovine aggression

    Is that anything to do with hitting a cows arse with a banjo?
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,267
    Where is he?

    Injured or have they realised he's not up to it?
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,789
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Where is he?

    Injured or have they realised he's not up to it?
    Charlton have never wanted Castillo. Bowyer wanted shot of him and Chelsea wouldn’t take him back. We wanted Aneke. Do the maths.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,210
    Airman Brown said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Where is he?

    Injured or have they realised he's not up to it?
    Charlton have never wanted Castillo. Bowyer wanted shot of him and Chelsea wouldn’t take him back. We wanted Aneke. Do the maths.
    Wow
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,675
    Airman Brown said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Where is he?

    Injured or have they realised he's not up to it?
    Charlton have never wanted Castillo. Bowyer wanted shot of him and Chelsea wouldn’t take him back. We wanted Aneke. Do the maths.
    Not doubting this info at all but if it’s true then the club really do need to take a look at its recruitment policy. That’s a terrible situation. Quite unbelievable 
  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 12,030
    Airman Brown said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Where is he?

    Injured or have they realised he's not up to it?
    Charlton have never wanted Castillo. Bowyer wanted shot of him and Chelsea wouldn’t take him back. We wanted Aneke. Do the maths.
    So we took on the remainder of Castillo’s loan to sweeten the Aneke deal?
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,696
    Airman Brown said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Where is he?

    Injured or have they realised he's not up to it?
    Charlton have never wanted Castillo. Bowyer wanted shot of him and Chelsea wouldn’t take him back. We wanted Aneke. Do the maths.
    What’s the explanation for Nile John?
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,954
    edited February 2022
    Airman Brown said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Where is he?

    Injured or have they realised he's not up to it?
    Charlton have never wanted Castillo. Bowyer wanted shot of him and Chelsea wouldn’t take him back. We wanted Aneke. Do the maths.
    Poor bloke . A player that all three teams don’t  want  . He must feel great about that 
  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 12,030
    edited February 2022
    Bedsaddick said:
    Airman Brown said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Where is he?

    Injured or have they realised he's not up to it?
    Charlton have never wanted Castillo. Bowyer wanted shot of him and Chelsea wouldn’t take him back. We wanted Aneke. Do the maths.
    Poor bloke . A player that all three teams doesn’t want  . He must feel great about that 
    I wouldn’t feel too sorry for him…

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/footballleagueworld.co.uk/lee-bowyer-delivers-birmingham-city-verdict-on-chelseas-juan-castillo-and-his-future/amp/

    Bowyer revealed his thoughts to Birmingham Live, saying: “When he (Castillo) first came he was overweight, couldn’t run, broke down in the first week or two of pre-season because he was out of shape.”

    If what @“Airman Brown" says is true, it does make you wonder again about our recruitment strategy. We sign one unfit player on loan to help do a deal for an injury-prone forward to rejoin us. 

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