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Pistol Paul's arms are going to fall off. Busy week for 4s and 6s.0
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Bit of a shame that we didn't get 500.
And also a bit of a shame that the record is now v Netherlands not Australia, which was funnier.2 -
Butcher "Eoin Morgan and Jason Roy embracing up on the balcony. I think they know that they've done something special". Just to point out Butch that those two between them managed one run off eight balls.2
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Absolutely feels like a let down to not hit 500. What a weird thing to type though.0
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Call me an optomist if you like.
But I reckon we can win this.5 -
They're 13-0 after two overs. We were 5-1. We're going to have to take some wickets, quickly, if we want to claw them back.5
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Looks like the Netherlands have gone to pot.
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The first time I saw Max O'Dowd was three years ago when he was playing in the European T10 Club Championships in Malaga for Rotterdam.0
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What a player that Malan, cleaned up the tail2
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Certainly did. Great spell of bowling. Just a shame his strike rate is so poor even against village bowling (114) especially when compared to Buttler (231) and Livingstone (300).Johnnysummers5 said:What a player that Malan, cleaned up the tail0 -
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I get the feeling that the former world no 1 T20 batsman isn’t your cup of tea ?Addick Addict said:
Certainly did. Great spell of bowling. Just a shame his strike rate is so poor even against village bowling (114) especially when compared to Buttler (231) and Livingstone (300).Johnnysummers5 said:What a player that Malan, cleaned up the tail2 -
Don't tell me that he's not still number 1????billysboots said:
I get the feeling that the former world no 1 T20 batsman isn’t your cup of tea ?Addick Addict said:
Certainly did. Great spell of bowling. Just a shame his strike rate is so poor even against village bowling (114) especially when compared to Buttler (231) and Livingstone (300).Johnnysummers5 said:What a player that Malan, cleaned up the tail0 -
Malan the only player to score a hundred and take a wicket in all 3 forms for England......6
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Down to 4th - disaster !Addick Addict said:
Don't tell me that he's not still number 1????billysboots said:
I get the feeling that the former world no 1 T20 batsman isn’t your cup of tea ?Addick Addict said:
Certainly did. Great spell of bowling. Just a shame his strike rate is so poor even against village bowling (114) especially when compared to Buttler (231) and Livingstone (300).Johnnysummers5 said:What a player that Malan, cleaned up the tail0 -
Ackerman and a couple others too. I heard an interview where their coach said 5 players had chosen to stay with counties. That makes a big difference to their strengthAddick Addict said:
Agreed but perhaps the Netherlands not having Klaassen because he's playing for Kent and also van der Merwe at Somerset, whereas that's not the case for England's players, is a reflection of where the power lies in the respective countries.North Lower Neil said:
Presumably a fun away trip for the Barmy Army though!Addick Addict said:Great fielders too!
This is an absolute joke of a game.2 -
SighAddick Addict said:
Certainly did. Great spell of bowling. Just a shame his strike rate is so poor even against village bowling (114) especially when compared to Buttler (231) and Livingstone (300).Johnnysummers5 said:What a player that Malan, cleaned up the tail1 -
Indeed. And it demonstrates who dictates - England for England and the Counties for the Netherlands. Those missing who would have walked in to the side and who chose to stay in England:cantersaddick said:
Ackerman and a couple others too. I heard an interview where their coach said 5 players had chosen to stay with counties. That makes a big difference to their strengthAddick Addict said:
Agreed but perhaps the Netherlands not having Klaassen because he's playing for Kent and also van der Merwe at Somerset, whereas that's not the case for England's players, is a reflection of where the power lies in the respective countries.North Lower Neil said:
Presumably a fun away trip for the Barmy Army though!Addick Addict said:Great fielders too!
This is an absolute joke of a game.
Klaassen (Kent)
van der Merwe (Somerset)
Ackermann (Leics)
Glover (Northants)
van Meekeren (Gloucs)
van der Gugten (Glamorgan)1 -
We've discussed this before, The algorithm must have been built by Tom Harrison during time off from organising The Hundred. How can a batsman who has averaged 23.60 and hit one 50 in the last year in T20 internationals be number 4 in the world? These are his scores in the last 12 months:billysboots said:
Down to 4th - disaster !Addick Addict said:
Don't tell me that he's not still number 1????billysboots said:
I get the feeling that the former world no 1 T20 batsman isn’t your cup of tea ?Addick Addict said:
Certainly did. Great spell of bowling. Just a shame his strike rate is so poor even against village bowling (114) especially when compared to Buttler (231) and Livingstone (300).Johnnysummers5 said:What a player that Malan, cleaned up the tail
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And if he is that good, how come not one of the TEN IPL franchises would touch him with a barge pole? I will give people a clue - that decision isn't just down to his ability, albeit he isn't good enough anyway. It is to do with who he sees as most important. And that isn't the team.
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The way he bowled yesterday, Kent probably wished Klassen had chosen to play for the Netherlands instead!2
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Be interesting who we send in at 3 if we do lose a wicket.0
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Malan bats for Malan
It's all about his batting average.
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blackpool72 said:Malan bats for Malan
It's all about his batting average.
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This was the point I've been trying to make but you've put it much better than I ever could. It wasn't just that maiden today - Salt was absolutely furious with him when he turned down a two earlier on.
Coaches look more at match winning performances now rather than averages and for that reason I sincerely hope that we do bring Root in for Malan - he is such a busy player and it is no coincidence that he has the best average in Test cricket once boundaries have been taken out. Morgan needs to go too because he is an absolute rabbit in headlights and has been so for the last couple of years - perhaps Stokes could captain the ODI side too.
I would have, assuming everyone is fit (and that is a big question mark), have something like this (with flexibility at 4, 5 & 6 according to the situation):
Roy
Bairstow/Salt
Root
Stokes
Livingstone
Buttler
Moeen Ali
Woakes
Adil Rashid
Wood
Archer
Four quicks and four spin options with seven potential match winners with the bat too
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I think it's too much work load for Stokes to captain the ODI side too, he has had injury problems and I would like to keep him just playing test cricket and just play ODI in the world cup, Buttler or Moeen as captain, I would love to see Archer playing again, but sadly have my doubts0
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Agreed - this was the side I would pick for the opening WC match. Buttler has enough trouble concentrating on keeping without having to worry about being skipper and Moeen isn't absolutely certain of his place. Root is an option though.Johnnysummers5 said:I think it's too much work load for Stokes to captain the ODI side too, he has had injury problems and I would like to keep him just playing test cricket and just play ODI in the world cup, Buttler or Moeen as captain, I would love to see Archer playing again, but sadly have my doubts0 -
What about Birstow, Salt, Billings or someone else keeps and Butler captains?Addick Addict said:
Agreed - this was the side I would pick for the opening WC match. Buttler has enough trouble concentrating on keeping without having to worry about being skipper and Moeen isn't absolutely certain of his place. Root is an option though.Johnnysummers5 said:I think it's too much work load for Stokes to captain the ODI side too, he has had injury problems and I would like to keep him just playing test cricket and just play ODI in the world cup, Buttler or Moeen as captain, I would love to see Archer playing again, but sadly have my doubts
He isnt James Foster behind the stumps and is an excellent ground fielder.0 -
I didn't see the game today, so I don't know what happened. But, from your comment, I assume Malan got out quickly and cost us the win. How many did we lose by in the end?blackpool72 said:Malan bats for Malan
It's all about his batting average.
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Billings simply isn't good enough with the bat to warrant a place. Not sure how many times Buttler has captained anywhere in any event - Bairstow hardly keeps these days and if he's playing then Salt won't be. Buttler is also an introvert as evidenced by how quiet he was when keeping in Tests. For those reasons, I would keep Buttler as keeper but, as I say, offer the captaincy to Stokes or Root.Cafc43v3r said:
What about Birstow, Salt, Billings or someone else keeps and Butler captains?Addick Addict said:
Agreed - this was the side I would pick for the opening WC match. Buttler has enough trouble concentrating on keeping without having to worry about being skipper and Moeen isn't absolutely certain of his place. Root is an option though.Johnnysummers5 said:I think it's too much work load for Stokes to captain the ODI side too, he has had injury problems and I would like to keep him just playing test cricket and just play ODI in the world cup, Buttler or Moeen as captain, I would love to see Archer playing again, but sadly have my doubts
He isnt James Foster behind the stumps and is an excellent ground fielder.0 -
I think it's almost certain Butler will be the captain when Morgan calls it a day. He wouldn't be my choice persay but there are options to Butler keeping. More than to him captaining IMO.Addick Addict said:
Billings simply isn't good enough with the bat to warrant a place. Not sure how many times Buttler has captained anywhere in any event - Bairstow hardly keeps these days and if he's playing then Salt won't be. Buttler is also an introvert as evidenced by how quiet he was when keeping in Tests. For those reasons, I would keep Buttler as keeper but, as I say, offer the captaincy to Stokes or Root.Cafc43v3r said:
What about Birstow, Salt, Billings or someone else keeps and Butler captains?Addick Addict said:
Agreed - this was the side I would pick for the opening WC match. Buttler has enough trouble concentrating on keeping without having to worry about being skipper and Moeen isn't absolutely certain of his place. Root is an option though.Johnnysummers5 said:I think it's too much work load for Stokes to captain the ODI side too, he has had injury problems and I would like to keep him just playing test cricket and just play ODI in the world cup, Buttler or Moeen as captain, I would love to see Archer playing again, but sadly have my doubts
He isnt James Foster behind the stumps and is an excellent ground fielder.1 -
I agree on Malan although I will say in his latest run in the test side he actually seemed to be different and was the only one who showed any ability to stick around with Root in the first couple of ashes tests (before fatigue of being away from home for 8 months solid and missing his childs birth affected him). I actually think his best format is ODI where he has time for his slow starts and can catch up. Wouldnt get in my strongest side as you say Root has to be the man for that role. Another I would want to see given a go in that role is Ollie Pope. Overlooked so far in Limited overs for England but he really is excellent. Like Root a busy player, comes in and doesnt start smashing to from ball one ala Roy or Bairstow but sudden you look up and hes 20 off 15 without trying too hard. hes a full 360degree player and has all the shots. As well as being able to hit the boundaries he is exceptional at moving the ball around, manipulating the field and finding the gaps.Addick Addict said:blackpool72 said:Malan bats for Malan
It's all about his batting average.
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This was the point I've been trying to make but you've put it much better than I ever could. It wasn't just that maiden today - Salt was absolutely furious with him when he turned down a two earlier on.
Coaches look more at match winning performances now rather than averages and for that reason I sincerely hope that we do bring Root in for Malan - he is such a busy player and it is no coincidence that he has the best average in Test cricket once boundaries have been taken out. Morgan needs to go too because he is an absolute rabbit in headlights and has been so for the last couple of years - perhaps Stokes could captain the ODI side too.
I would have, assuming everyone is fit (and that is a big question mark), have something like this (with flexibility at 4, 5 & 6 according to the situation):
Roy
Bairstow/Salt
Root
Stokes
Livingstone
Buttler
Moeen Ali
Woakes
Adil Rashid
Wood
Archer
Four quicks and four spin options with seven potential match winners with the bat too
Really would like to see him given a go in shorter formats0
