Why are people letting this shitstain of a 'man' wind them up? Just ignore him until he gets irritated enough by it to do something that gets him banned.
Hate-filled abusive Leroy clamouring for a perfectly civil person to be "banned". How incredibly antifa of you! Keep sharing the love brother!
The thread was simply an opinion on refereeing. And regarding women referees. Perfectly civil. The point was raised "I don't care if the referee is male female black white or blue (blue?) if they can do the job then I'm fine with that". That is a perfectly reasonable view to hold. It is one, however, that I don't share.
I know some men who are excellent full time single parents (have full custody etc) As gifted as they are at "playing mum' (and dad) I would not therefore encourage all men to pursue motherhood. Apart from anything else, we have mothers that are already perfectly able and right for this role. If the mainstream media and govt all aggressively promoted men to pursue motherhood ~ I would STILL disagree with this approach. It is not because I doubt there are men out there capable of undertaking the enormous responsibility of motherhood and meeting the many challenges perfectly well. It is because it would inevitably lead to less women presenting themselves for this role. And I dont see replacing one sex with the other leads to the strengthening of family, societal, cultural bonds. Quite the opposite in fact.
I wish this woman every success refereeing. Women's football matches.
Sexist prick!
Doesn't matter how civil you are when you’re breaking the law, you’re breaking the law.
VOT is very Rees Mogg, all polite and hiding behind religion to be vile. Suspect if the lord comes back, he’ll smite those who weaponised their religion like VOT first
VOT is very Rees Mogg, all polite and hiding behind religion to be vile. Suspect if the lord comes back, he’ll smite those who weaponised their religion like VOT first
Have heard Rebecca is doing very well in her 1st season as an EFL Referee after making history last season. Rumoured to be on course for a promotion to the Championship already!
Can't be worse than some we have had this season.
I hope she will be successful and successfully utilised refereeing women's football instead of mens. This relentless push for replacing men with women in every sphere of life may look like some "great leap forward" [to the woke among us] I think it will do in refereeing what it does elsewhere ~ it will turn many very able men away from ever wishing to now pursue that particular profession. It is not the sex of the referee that needs changing, it's the standard of refereeing that needs improving.
As The West slowly sinks further and further into the abyss, we can be thankful that all this woke nonsense will go down with it. And hope for a return to common sense, tradition and family values and clear roles for men and women to live by and follow and a welcome return to calling a spade a spade.
Wishing Rebecca all the very best refereeing the ladies.
Do you know Nick Grey by any chance? You'd get on like the proverbial house on fire...
I strongly suspect he knows Nick Gray VERY well...
If you could point out (without the banal ad hominum attacks) what exactly is "poisonous" "twisted" "racist(!)" "Fascist(!)' "trolling" "disgusting" "vile and controlling" in my posting ~ I would be most grateful. If I have been misleading, abusive, ambiguous etc ~ it would be good to know this. I can't see this at all.
Do you seriously want to live in a world where everyone MUST have the same opinion otherwise they are "cancelled"? Or as someone jumped in "Ban 'im") Because that world has been tried before . It's called Communism (coming to a town near you!) It's called tyranny..It's called perpetual fear to express oneself. Shutting down conversation that does not seem agreeable to you is the highest form of ignorance. I don't share the woke view on things but I would never wish to silence those who DO possess woke views.
It's when we are not sure of things and have empty arguments that we tend to shut other people down. Btw ~THATS "controlling" Stu_Kunming. Perhaps look at YOUR argument on these issues and consider how sound THEY really are. I suspect you will find that many of them are flimsy at best.
But "cancelling" people that dare to challenge some of the off-beam leftist empty arguments is the height of stupidity and wreaks of insecurity.
Have heard Rebecca is doing very well in her 1st season as an EFL Referee after making history last season. Rumoured to be on course for a promotion to the Championship already!
Can't be worse than some we have had this season.
I hope she will be successful and successfully utilised refereeing women's football instead of mens. This relentless push for replacing men with women in every sphere of life may look like some "great leap forward" [to the woke among us] I think it will do in refereeing what it does elsewhere ~ it will turn many very able men away from ever wishing to now pursue that particular profession. It is not the sex of the referee that needs changing, it's the standard of refereeing that needs improving.
As The West slowly sinks further and further into the abyss, we can be thankful that all this woke nonsense will go down with it. And hope for a return to common sense, tradition and family values and clear roles for men and women to live by and follow and a welcome return to calling a spade a spade.
Wishing Rebecca all the very best refereeing the ladies.
This is a load of bollocks. She was actually one of the best referees I've seen down at The Valley for a while. Your point that very able men will be turned away is absurd.
I don't see how a woman who clearly is a qualified referee officiating a Charlton game is 'woke'
Don't get me wrong there are plenty of things in this country that could fall under the category of 'woke' but this certainly isn't it.
I'm taking a stab in the dark, you believe Boris when he says 'We're taking back control" and "building back better"
The assertion ( by one of the Antifa types on here) was that the word "woke" is the exact definition for the term "anti-racist".
I merely responded to this nonsense in my above post by proving that it isn't. Take a read of it and comment on that rather than on what hasnt been written.
If you don't like people who are against fascism are you pro fascism? Simple yes or no
Erm... I'm against fascism. I like myself. And I'm against the woke nonsense also. And I suspect a great many other people hold these views. For fascism and woke are not opposites as antifa types would have some believe. At their root ~ they both hate.
Yes - they both hate racists and fascists. I am therefore not in the least bit surprised that you don't like them. Bob, was " ... Robert finds it utterly impossible to ever communicate a single coherent argument all term" written on your school reports on an all too regular basis?!
Have heard Rebecca is doing very well in her 1st season as an EFL Referee after making history last season. Rumoured to be on course for a promotion to the Championship already!
Can't be worse than some we have had this season.
I hope she will be successful and successfully utilised refereeing women's football instead of mens. This relentless push for replacing men with women in every sphere of life may look like some "great leap forward" [to the woke among us] I think it will do in refereeing what it does elsewhere ~ it will turn many very able men away from ever wishing to now pursue that particular profession. It is not the sex of the referee that needs changing, it's the standard of refereeing that needs improving.
As The West slowly sinks further and further into the abyss, we can be thankful that all this woke nonsense will go down with it. And hope for a return to common sense, tradition and family values and clear roles for men and women to live by and follow and a welcome return to calling a spade a spade.
Wishing Rebecca all the very best refereeing the ladies.
Woke means anti racist. It is not nonsense.
But it doesn't. It IS nonsense.
Woke means looking for a scapegoat for why your life has gone wrong/you influence noone/you feed on pity and blame.
"Why am I poor?" ~ The rich have done this to me. "Why am I angry?" Because white people have oppressed me for 400 years. "Why don't I get equal pay?" Because men have rigged the system.
Now in some instances the poor, the person of colour, women HAVE good argument for these being valid points. And that is good and right to challenge these when such instances arise.
The WOKE person however, is distorted in everything they think, say and do. And for them ALL poor people, ALL people of colour or ALL women have been treated in this terrible way.
It's not "anti-racist" it's a mental illness. As with all distorted thinking it needs to be brought back into the rational realm. Where there is balance and a degree of truth can be established.
And as many far more learned commentators have said in the past, the biggest threat to woke people are in fact poor people who DONT blame the rich, people of colour who take personal responsibility seriously and don't blame white people for their state in life and women who actually choose to be housewives, who are proud of their hardworking husbands, who raise large families. This surely proves therefore that Woke CANT be the definition of Anti-racist because woke people hate races that are Christian Conservative and perfectly comfortable with white people who gave them lots of opportunities and succeed just like them. Sorry but woke is not antiracist. It's anti-truth.
If you stop banging on about this nonsense I’ll stop banging on about Jimmy Seed. Deal?
VOT is very Rees Mogg, all polite and hiding behind religion to be vile. Suspect if the lord comes back, he’ll smite those who weaponised their religion like VOT first
No hiding here Rothko. Completely open and honest with what I am posting. I don't recall religion being mentioned once in this thread. I would never "hide behind religion" ~ "...to be vile" (?)
Have heard Rebecca is doing very well in her 1st season as an EFL Referee after making history last season. Rumoured to be on course for a promotion to the Championship already!
Can't be worse than some we have had this season.
I hope she will be successful and successfully utilised refereeing women's football instead of mens. This relentless push for replacing men with women in every sphere of life may look like some "great leap forward" [to the woke among us] I think it will do in refereeing what it does elsewhere ~ it will turn many very able men away from ever wishing to now pursue that particular profession. It is not the sex of the referee that needs changing, it's the standard of refereeing that needs improving.
As The West slowly sinks further and further into the abyss, we can be thankful that all this woke nonsense will go down with it. And hope for a return to common sense, tradition and family values and clear roles for men and women to live by and follow and a welcome return to calling a spade a spade.
Wishing Rebecca all the very best refereeing the ladies.
Do you know Nick Grey by any chance? You'd get on like the proverbial house on fire...
Not sure why anyone even bothers engaging with the budget Jordan Peterson.
For me it is because there are other Charltonians who subscribe to the notion that there should be a ‘war on woke’ which he seeks to validate but I think is wrong. There must always be a push back against racists or they feel empowered.
The word Woke means different things to different people. Your derfinition is that it means being anti racist. Other people see it differently. You keep saying it means anti racist as if it's a fact. It's not it's just your opinion of what it means.
I agree with your last sentence though as racism must always be opposed.
Maybe it’s best to stick to the dictionary definition.
I do not use the word woke nor do I understand what it means, when someone uses woke I ask them what it means and always get a different answer - perhaps that is what woke means As for Rebecca a good game except for the red card but many refs would have bottled that so early in the game.
I agree. I don't think it simply means anti-racist. Also, someone can't 'be woke' because woke isn't an adjective. You can be awoken or awake. Woke seems mostly to be used as 'aware of racism.'
Not sure why anyone even bothers engaging with the budget Jordan Peterson.
For me it is because there are other Charltonians who subscribe to the notion that there should be a ‘war on woke’ which he seeks to validate but I think is wrong. There must always be a push back against racists or they feel empowered.
Have heard Rebecca is doing very well in her 1st season as an EFL Referee after making history last season. Rumoured to be on course for a promotion to the Championship already!
Can't be worse than some we have had this season.
I hope she will be successful and successfully utilised refereeing women's football instead of mens. This relentless push for replacing men with women in every sphere of life may look like some "great leap forward" [to the woke among us] I think it will do in refereeing what it does elsewhere ~ it will turn many very able men away from ever wishing to now pursue that particular profession. It is not the sex of the referee that needs changing, it's the standard of refereeing that needs improving.
As The West slowly sinks further and further into the abyss, we can be thankful that all this woke nonsense will go down with it. And hope for a return to common sense, tradition and family values and clear roles for men and women to live by and follow and a welcome return to calling a spade a spade.
Wishing Rebecca all the very best refereeing the ladies.
The best ref of the season today. I hate to also tell you that Rachael Blackmore was the winning Gold Cup jockey yesterday. Anyway, wishing you a happy 150th birthday.
Have heard Rebecca is doing very well in her 1st season as an EFL Referee after making history last season. Rumoured to be on course for a promotion to the Championship already!
Can't be worse than some we have had this season.
I hope she will be successful and successfully utilised refereeing women's football instead of mens. This relentless push for replacing men with women in every sphere of life may look like some "great leap forward" [to the woke among us] I think it will do in refereeing what it does elsewhere ~ it will turn many very able men away from ever wishing to now pursue that particular profession. It is not the sex of the referee that needs changing, it's the standard of refereeing that needs improving.
As The West slowly sinks further and further into the abyss, we can be thankful that all this woke nonsense will go down with it. And hope for a return to common sense, tradition and family values and clear roles for men and women to live by and follow and a welcome return to calling a spade a spade.
Wishing Rebecca all the very best refereeing the ladies.
I’m ashamed to share a football team with someone who can spout this sexist drivel.
I second this. Genuinely embarrassed and ashamed.
Just as the video before any match now says, any kind of hate or discrimination is not accepted and therefore, you are not welcome.
Only ...it's not "hate and discrimination". It is a different opinion to yours. That is all.
I don't "hate" this referee. Why would I? I don't know her or any other referee, personally. Hate is a strong word that is actually getting weaker and weaker with every misapplied use of it by the snowflakes among us.
I wish her very well. I don't wish to "discriminate". If you haven't seen or read 1984 yet, I'd highly recommend it. You will find this kind of groupthink and double speak and eradication of thought and speech as its central theme.
Silencing and cancelling people NEVER changes the other person's views in an argument. It has quite the opposite effect. In my experience we re-evaluate our strongly held views when someone comes along who has really thought about the debate, and all sides of the argument and has experience to challenge the position , in an inspiring way, and proposes a new way of seeing the situation in hand. Just shouting "Racist!" Or "Sexist" at ones opponent is not only ineffectual ~ it has been done so much now that it is utterly meaningless to anyone with reasonable intelligence.
Yes maybe the challenge was a red card but so be it, you can’t make every correct decision even if it might have turned out to be a big one, but it didn’t.
She’ll go far in the game and it’s actually refreshing.
However, it shows we still have so much further to go that this is even a topic. The sex of the referee should not be a topic that’s discussed. She proved her ability to do the job very well and that is what matters.
Good post. But I would add that although I agree with the sentiment behind the bit I’ve put in bold, I also think open discussion is a necessary part of the normalisation process. The unfortunate truth is that any change will meet resistance (no matter how positive that change is), but in my view, the conversation about change should be taken to those who resist. Openly and publicly. If a change is demonstrably positive, such as this one, there will inevitably come a time when people start to say “Why are we even having this conversation any more?” For you and, I suspect, quite a few others, that time is already upon us, but to my mind, the conversation needs to continue while we still see dinosaurs rearing their heads spouting outdated views and opinions bereft of thought or consideration. All the while, we learn more about why some people are so resistant to change, so we all benefit. We just need patience. It will normalise. It can be frustrating, but that’s just how it works.
Not sure why anyone even bothers engaging with the budget Jordan Peterson.
For me it is because there are other Charltonians who subscribe to the notion that there should be a ‘war on woke’ which he seeks to validate but I think is wrong. There must always be a push back against racists or they feel empowered.
The word Woke means different things to different people. Your derfinition is that it means being anti racist. Other people see it differently. You keep saying it means anti racist as if it's a fact. It's not it's just your opinion of what it means.
I agree with your last sentence though as racism must always be opposed.
If you could point out (without the banal ad hominum attacks) what exactly is "poisonous" "twisted" "racist(!)" "Fascist(!)' "trolling" "disgusting" "vile and controlling" in my posting ~ I would be most grateful. If I have been misleading, abusive, ambiguous etc ~ it would be good to know this. I can't see this at all.
Do you seriously want to live in a world where everyone MUST have the same opinion otherwise they are "cancelled"? Or as someone jumped in "Ban 'im") Because that world has been tried before . It's called Communism (coming to a town near you!) It's called tyranny..It's called perpetual fear to express oneself. Shutting down conversation that does not seem agreeable to you is the highest form of ignorance. I don't share the woke view on things but I would never wish to silence those who DO possess woke views.
It's when we are not sure of things and have empty arguments that we tend to shut other people down. Btw ~THATS "controlling" Stu_Kunming. Perhaps look at YOUR argument on these issues and consider how sound THEY really are. I suspect you will find that many of them are flimsy at best.
But "cancelling" people that dare to challenge some of the off-beam leftist empty arguments is the height of stupidity and wreaks of insecurity.
Your views on abortion are "poisonous" "twisted" "disgusting" "vile and controlling"
If you could point out (without the banal ad hominum attacks) what exactly is "poisonous" "twisted" "racist(!)" "Fascist(!)' "trolling" "disgusting" "vile and controlling" in my posting ~ I would be most grateful. If I have been misleading, abusive, ambiguous etc ~ it would be good to know this. I can't see this at all.
Do you seriously want to live in a world where everyone MUST have the same opinion otherwise they are "cancelled"? Or as someone jumped in "Ban 'im") Because that world has been tried before . It's called Communism (coming to a town near you!) It's called tyranny..It's called perpetual fear to express oneself. Shutting down conversation that does not seem agreeable to you is the highest form of ignorance. I don't share the woke view on things but I would never wish to silence those who DO possess woke views.
It's when we are not sure of things and have empty arguments that we tend to shut other people down. Btw ~THATS "controlling" Stu_Kunming. Perhaps look at YOUR argument on these issues and consider how sound THEY really are. I suspect you will find that many of them are flimsy at best.
But "cancelling" people that dare to challenge some of the off-beam leftist empty arguments is the height of stupidity and wreaks of insecurity.
'I hope she will be successful and successfully utilised refereeing women's football instead of mens'
Did you not post above?
Not really sure you need it spelt out to you, you know what you have said... and that was just the beginning, just because it's your opinion does not mean that can't be sexist.
Why should we not challenge people with toxic opinions? Not sure what anyone will achieve trying to reason with you.
If you could point out (without the banal ad hominum attacks) what exactly is "poisonous" "twisted" "racist(!)" "Fascist(!)' "trolling" "disgusting" "vile and controlling" in my posting ~ I would be most grateful. If I have been misleading, abusive, ambiguous etc ~ it would be good to know this. I can't see this at all.
Do you seriously want to live in a world where everyone MUST have the same opinion otherwise they are "cancelled"? Or as someone jumped in "Ban 'im") Because that world has been tried before . It's called Communism (coming to a town near you!) It's called tyranny..It's called perpetual fear to express oneself. Shutting down conversation that does not seem agreeable to you is the highest form of ignorance. I don't share the woke view on things but I would never wish to silence those who DO possess woke views.
It's when we are not sure of things and have empty arguments that we tend to shut other people down. Btw ~THATS "controlling" Stu_Kunming. Perhaps look at YOUR argument on these issues and consider how sound THEY really are. I suspect you will find that many of them are flimsy at best.
But "cancelling" people that dare to challenge some of the off-beam leftist empty arguments is the height of stupidity and wreaks of insecurity.
Your views on abortion are "poisonous" "twisted" "disgusting" "vile and controlling"
Not to mention "tradition and family values and clear roles for men and women to live by and follow" being something that society has thankfully left behind save for a few dinosaurs.
The only family values that count for anything are love and support, whether that's single parents of either gender, a mum and dad, two mums or two dads - either married or not, or step parents,or by birth or by adoption, it truly doesn't matter.
If you want to call that woke then by all means go ahead because I really don't care.
Have heard Rebecca is doing very well in her 1st season as an EFL Referee after making history last season. Rumoured to be on course for a promotion to the Championship already!
Can't be worse than some we have had this season.
I hope she will be successful and successfully utilised refereeing women's football instead of mens. This relentless push for replacing men with women in every sphere of life may look like some "great leap forward" [to the woke among us] I think it will do in refereeing what it does elsewhere ~ it will turn many very able men away from ever wishing to now pursue that particular profession. It is not the sex of the referee that needs changing, it's the standard of refereeing that needs improving.
As The West slowly sinks further and further into the abyss, we can be thankful that all this woke nonsense will go down with it. And hope for a return to common sense, tradition and family values and clear roles for men and women to live by and follow and a welcome return to calling a spade a spade.
Wishing Rebecca all the very best refereeing the ladies.
I’m ashamed to share a football team with someone who can spout this sexist drivel.
I second this. Genuinely embarrassed and ashamed.
Just as the video before any match now says, any kind of hate or discrimination is not accepted and therefore, you are not welcome.
Only ...it's not "hate and discrimination". It is a different opinion to yours. That is all.
I don't "hate" this referee. Why would I? I don't know her or any other referee, personally. Hate is a strong word that is actually getting weaker and weaker with every misapplied use of it by the snowflakes among us.
I wish her very well. I don't wish to "discriminate". If you haven't seen or read 1984 yet, I'd highly recommend it. You will find this kind of groupthink and double speak and eradication of thought and speech as its central theme.
Silencing and cancelling people NEVER changes the other person's views in an argument. It has quite the opposite effect. In my experience we re-evaluate our strongly held views when someone comes along who has really thought about the debate, and all sides of the argument and has experience to challenge the position , in an inspiring way, and proposes a new way of seeing the situation in hand. Just shouting "Racist!" Or "Sexist" at ones opponent is not only ineffectual ~ it has been done so much now that it is utterly meaningless to anyone with reasonable intelligence.
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Doesn't matter how civil you are when you’re breaking the law, you’re breaking the law.
Do you seriously want to live in a world where everyone MUST have the same opinion otherwise they are "cancelled"?
Or as someone jumped in "Ban 'im") Because that world has been tried before . It's called Communism (coming to a town near you!) It's called tyranny..It's called perpetual fear to express oneself. Shutting down conversation that does not seem agreeable to you is the highest form of ignorance. I don't share the woke view on things but I would never wish to silence those who DO possess woke views.
It's when we are not sure of things and have empty arguments that we tend to shut other people down. Btw ~THATS "controlling" Stu_Kunming. Perhaps look at YOUR argument on these issues and consider how sound THEY really are. I suspect you will find that many of them are flimsy at best.
But "cancelling" people that dare to challenge some of the off-beam leftist empty arguments is the height of stupidity and wreaks of insecurity.
I don't "hate" this referee. Why would I? I don't know her or any other referee, personally. Hate is a strong word that is actually getting weaker and weaker with every misapplied use of it by the snowflakes among us.
I wish her very well. I don't wish to "discriminate". If you haven't seen or read 1984 yet, I'd highly recommend it. You will find this kind of groupthink and double speak and eradication of thought and speech as its central theme.
Silencing and cancelling people NEVER changes the other person's views in an argument. It has quite the opposite effect. In my experience we re-evaluate our strongly held views when someone comes along who has really thought about the debate, and all sides of the argument and has experience to challenge the position , in an inspiring way, and proposes a new way of seeing the situation in hand. Just shouting "Racist!" Or "Sexist" at ones opponent is not only ineffectual ~ it has been done so much now that it is utterly meaningless to anyone with reasonable intelligence.
Did you not post above?
Not really sure you need it spelt out to you, you know what you have said... and that was just the beginning, just because it's your opinion does not mean that can't be sexist.
Why should we not challenge people with toxic opinions? Not sure what anyone will achieve trying to reason with you.
Probably because as he is a sexist prick he doesn’t actually think my opinion counts.
Time & time again he shows what he is & time & time again he’s allowed to just carry on.
Thank you to those who call him out.
The only family values that count for anything are love and support, whether that's single parents of either gender, a mum and dad, two mums or two dads - either married or not, or step parents,or by birth or by adoption, it truly doesn't matter.
If you want to call that woke then by all means go ahead because I really don't care.