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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)

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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,599
    edited July 2022
    From the Jack Payne interview (on his thread)

    A deal that had been on ice, at least while Charlton Athletic looked to balance the books under the SCMP (Salary Cost Management Protocols).

    Sounds like we can maybe forget signing anyone else, until others decide to leave

    After all, we only signed Payne, once Davison was moved on
  • paulfox
    paulfox Posts: 2,356
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    killerandflash said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    JamesSeed said:
    Swisdom said:
    JFC is probably too good for Leyton Orient but you have to wonder if pre season has highlighted that he can’t operate at a suitably high level.  The mind may be willing but is the body able??
    I’m not sure if he’s had much of a suck at the pineapple yet has he? Having come back from such a long term injury he’d need matches to get his mojo back, and I don’t think he’s had enough yet. I hope we give him a bit more time before condemning him to a future in L2.
    We can't condemn him to league 2 against his wishes.  The only way he will end up atba Gillingham, Swindon, Wimbledon etc is if Garner tells him categorically he won't play. At all.  That hasn't happened.

    He was captain about 3 weeks ago!

    Of course he isnt guaranteed to play, neither are any of the others.  Its highly likely that one will leave, if not now, at Christmas.  He has the least time left on his contract so the most obvious one to try and move on.

    There was firm championship interest, not just from Birmingham, before he did his ACL.  He wants to explore if there is still any.  That's it.  That's the story.

    Any suggestion he is being binned because he is not good enough is nonsense.  
    JFC, Gilbey and Morgan all have 1 year left on their contracts, so it may come down to fitness, scope for improvement and what they add to the squad, in terms of options
    Sorry I was working on the basis that Dobson, Fraser, JFC, Payne and McGrandle were playing for 3 places and Morgan and Gilbey wouldn't be.  Also that the latter two would be less pissed off if they weren't playing.
    Hoping Morgan starts against Accrington has had a blinder .  I suspect the midfield will be Dobson, Fraser and Gilbey
    I suspect it won’t 
    I hope he dont
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,233
    ForeverAddickted said:
    From the Jack Payne interview (on his thread)

    A deal that had been on ice, at least while Charlton Athletic looked to balance the books under the SCMP (Salary Cost Management Protocols).

    Sounds like we can maybe forget signing anyone else, until others decide to leave

    After all, we only signed Payne, once Davison was moved on

    If Charlton Members and Millwall guests can't be bothered to read 'Salary cost management Protocols' what is the point of this thread; It should be mandatory to read SCMP.

  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad Posts: 5,728
    Imagine something like this will be the preferred set up depending on who we are playing against:

    Home games:     

            Wollacott

    Egbo Inniss O'Connell Sessegnon
              Dobson
         Fraser     Payne
    CBT                  Kirk
              Stockley
          

    Away games:

            Wollacott

    Clare Inniss O'Connell Sessegnon
         Mcgrandles Dobson
                Payne
    CBT                  Kirk
              Stockley

  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,429
    ForeverAddickted said:
    From the Jack Payne interview (on his thread)

    A deal that had been on ice, at least while Charlton Athletic looked to balance the books under the SCMP (Salary Cost Management Protocols).

    Sounds like we can maybe forget signing anyone else, until others decide to leave

    After all, we only signed Payne, once Davison was moved on
    SCMP allows owners to put money in to increase their spending power, but it cannot be put in as a loan.

    http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php

    In League 1 clubs can spend a maximum of 60% of their turnover on wages

    Turnover definition 

    Under the SCMP rules, the definition of 'Turnover' is particularly important as Turnover is used to determine the maximum wage-spend. Within a traditional accounting perspective, there are usually only three elements of turnover: 

    • Match-day Income 
    • Commercial Income (such as sponsorship) 
    • TV revenue (and any 'merit payments' based on league position)

    However the Football League use a is broader definition of Turnover. Crucially, the FL Turnover figure includes donations from the owners to the club and injections of equity. Loans from club owners are understandably not included in the Turnover figure as these would result in growing club debts. up club debts.  In League 1 and League 2, a wealthy owner can therefore fund the club spending in a way that is not permitted in other divisions. Manchester City and Leicester for example seem set for punishment for their excessive losses (from UEFA and the Championship respectively) despite the fact that the owners have injected hard cash into the club to finance the spending.

  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,547
    Just becasue we can use 5 subs doesnt mean we will or should, wont get much continuity and form going if we´re changing half the outfield every 60 minutes.  Handy to have, not a neccesity. 

    Doubt the players will want to be rolling off and on much either. 
  • Smithy
    Smithy Posts: 1,026
    Every time I try to come up with a formation based on our current squad I end up with 12 players on the pitch. Needs work.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,390
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Imagine something like this will be the preferred set up depending on who we are playing against:

    Home games:     

            Wollacott

    Egbo Inniss O'Connell Sessegnon
              Dobson
         Fraser     Payne
    CBT                  Kirk
              Stockley
          

    Away games:

            Wollacott

    Clare Inniss O'Connell Sessegnon
         Mcgrandles Dobson
                Payne
    CBT                  Kirk
              Stockley

    One thing I learnt about Garner looking at his results is that home and away doesn’t make a difference to him, he still aims to be the team with more of the ball. I imagine it will be 433 home and away, Swindon were playing teams off the park home and away 
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,915
    MillwallFan said:
    DOUCHER said:
    MillwallFan said:
    Valley11 said:
    Danlazzz said:
    Not sure how reliable the account is, But it would make sense. A young pacey forward that can play wide as well. Broke into their first team last season.
    Would rather develop Leaburn than someone else’s young striker. And definitely not Millwall’s. 
    Burey is a good prospect and definitely has potential. But if he’s going to get experience playing third tier football then I’d rather him do it with one of the bigger L1 clubs if I’m honest. Someone like Ipswich, Portsmouth  or Sheffield Wed . Not sure what he would gain from playing at charlton. 
    wow - you at least normally try and disguise your wind ups - if he went to one of those massive clubs wouldn't he then be deflated having to come back and play at Millwall?
    I wouldn’t describe the clubs I mentioned as massive (well, apart from Wednesday). Just big for that level. I wouldn’t want him to go to one of the more established third tier clubs like charlton. That’s my point. Rather a bigger club playing below  their level. I think he’d benefit more from that. 
    oh dear - a player getting good 3rd division experience can only be a good thing for a 3rd division club currently punching above their weight - its a matter of time and normal order will be restored - i berlieve us v portsmouth in the 2nd tier is probably our most frequent fixture, Ipswich probably not far off.     
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,015
    Braziliance said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Imagine something like this will be the preferred set up depending on who we are playing against:

    Home games:     

            Wollacott

    Egbo Inniss O'Connell Sessegnon
              Dobson
         Fraser     Payne
    CBT                  Kirk
              Stockley
          

    Away games:

            Wollacott

    Clare Inniss O'Connell Sessegnon
         Mcgrandles Dobson
                Payne
    CBT                  Kirk
              Stockley

    One thing I learnt about Garner looking at his results is that home and away doesn’t make a difference to him, he still aims to be the team with more of the ball. I imagine it will be 433 home and away, Swindon were playing teams off the park home and away 
    I think that's probably a good thing really, yes Jackson came unstuck somewhat by sticking to his 3-5-2 full of pentagonal pegs in hexagonal holes but Bowyer's last gasp showed the perils of constant changes.

    If Garner can get his system to work then I don't see why deviating from it on a home/away basis will be of particular benefit.

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  • StrikerFirmani
    StrikerFirmani Posts: 2,743
    @Scoham

    What about player sales and sell on money, isn't that still income. 
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,334
    Scoham said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    From the Jack Payne interview (on his thread)

    A deal that had been on ice, at least while Charlton Athletic looked to balance the books under the SCMP (Salary Cost Management Protocols).

    Sounds like we can maybe forget signing anyone else, until others decide to leave

    After all, we only signed Payne, once Davison was moved on
    SCMP allows owners to put money in to increase their spending power, but it cannot be put in as a loan.

    http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php

    In League 1 clubs can spend a maximum of 60% of their turnover on wages

    Turnover definition 

    Under the SCMP rules, the definition of 'Turnover' is particularly important as Turnover is used to determine the maximum wage-spend. Within a traditional accounting perspective, there are usually only three elements of turnover: 

    • Match-day Income 
    • Commercial Income (such as sponsorship) 
    • TV revenue (and any 'merit payments' based on league position)

    However the Football League use a is broader definition of Turnover. Crucially, the FL Turnover figure includes donations from the owners to the club and injections of equity. Loans from club owners are understandably not included in the Turnover figure as these would result in growing club debts. up club debts.  In League 1 and League 2, a wealthy owner can therefore fund the club spending in a way that is not permitted in other divisions. Manchester City and Leicester for example seem set for punishment for their excessive losses (from UEFA and the Championship respectively) despite the fact that the owners have injected hard cash into the club to finance the spending.

    I hope they will be watching Derby closely as they only had a handful of players exempt and they are serial cheats.
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,658
    edited July 2022
    Uboat said:
    Heard from a bloke who heard from a bloke who heard from a bloke - Gavin Massey. 
    Almost certainly wrong. 
    I’ve heard of him, got a great engine.. 


  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,648
    CL_Phantom said:
    Just becasue we can use 5 subs doesnt mean we will or should, wont get much continuity and form going if we´re changing half the outfield every 60 minutes.  Handy to have, not a neccesity. 

    Doubt the players will want to be rolling off and on much either. 
    I think we’ll see massive use of five subs this season. Means the intensity of playing can be increased and maintained and depending on injuries a quality bench can be used as a tactic as much as a fail safe. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,429
    edited July 2022
    StrikerFirmani said:
    @Scoham

    What about player sales and sell on money, isn't that still income. 
    Yep, it’s in the link, I just didn’t bother copying that bit over. Here’s the wording, one thing to note is that instalments have to be taken into account rather than the total fee.

    Profit on player sales

    Any profit made on player sales is included withinTurnover on a cash basis when the instalments are received. 

  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,321
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    CL_Phantom said:
    Just becasue we can use 5 subs doesnt mean we will or should, wont get much continuity and form going if we´re changing half the outfield every 60 minutes.  Handy to have, not a neccesity. 

    Doubt the players will want to be rolling off and on much either. 
    I think we’ll see massive use of five subs this season. Means the intensity of playing can be increased and maintained and depending on injuries a quality bench can be used as a tactic as much as a fail safe. 
    Ability to use 5 subs and constant fresh legs will be a huge benefit for 'Garner ball'.
  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,457
    T_C_E said:
    MillwallFan said:
    Valley11 said:
    Danlazzz said:
    Not sure how reliable the account is, But it would make sense. A young pacey forward that can play wide as well. Broke into their first team last season.
    Would rather develop Leaburn than someone else’s young striker. And definitely not Millwall’s. 
    Burey is a good prospect and definitely has potential. But if he’s going to get experience playing third tier football then I’d rather him do it with one of the bigger L1 clubs if I’m honest. Someone like Ipswich, Portsmouth  or Sheffield Wed . Not sure what he would gain from playing at charlton. 
    That’s very naughty @MillwallFan some might say inflammatory, but I’ve had it on good authority Sky have reporters outside Millwall academy should any youngsters be released! 😉

    I thought Millwall were looking to relocate down to Kent? And apparently sign Osei Sankofa!


  • MillwallFan
    MillwallFan Posts: 3,355
    T_C_E said:
    MillwallFan said:
    Valley11 said:
    Danlazzz said:
    Not sure how reliable the account is, But it would make sense. A young pacey forward that can play wide as well. Broke into their first team last season.
    Would rather develop Leaburn than someone else’s young striker. And definitely not Millwall’s. 
    Burey is a good prospect and definitely has potential. But if he’s going to get experience playing third tier football then I’d rather him do it with one of the bigger L1 clubs if I’m honest. Someone like Ipswich, Portsmouth  or Sheffield Wed . Not sure what he would gain from playing at charlton. 
    That’s very naughty @MillwallFan some might say inflammatory, but I’ve had it on good authority Sky have reporters outside Millwall academy should any youngsters be released! 😉

    Touché 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,429
    edited July 2022
    Hmmm, interesting comment from a member of the Sandgaard family on Facebook (taken from the middle of an argument on a post sharing the article below).



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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,818
    edited July 2022



  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,429
    If we’re not going for another striker I really hope we’re definitely after a goal scoring wide player, a McKirdy or Wilks type.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,076
    Callumcafc said:




    I wonder if this is a loan player that's only just now going to be available from their parent club as they were needed for preseason?
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,915
    I I don’t think there is a chance that we won’t bring in another striker - 1 on loan as a minimum, ideally a perm as well 
  • ElliotCAFC
    ElliotCAFC Posts: 2,553
    Also from BG interview: 

    “From my perspective, after seeing Miles Leaburn in pre-season I wanted a pathway for him, I wanted an opportunity for him to be in the first-team squad and for us to develop and grow him as a player. That was a good deal for everyone in terms of the output of that.”

    Sounds as if Miles will be third choice striker. 
  • CharltontillidieCOYR
    CharltontillidieCOYR Posts: 781
    Scoham said:
    If we’re not going for another striker I really hope we’re definitely after a goal scoring wide player, a McKirdy or Wilks type.
    Tbf he says 2/3 more I think we cld do both a striker and goalscoring wideman as you say a McKirdy or a wilks would be great

    add in a player who can play lcb/lb and that will be us done i think and very strong
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,429
    edited July 2022
    ElliotCAFC said:
    Also from BG interview: 

    “From my perspective, after seeing Miles Leaburn in pre-season I wanted a pathway for him, I wanted an opportunity for him to be in the first-team squad and for us to develop and grow him as a player. That was a good deal for everyone in terms of the output of that.”

    Sounds as if Miles will be third choice striker. 
    It does. We need him to be at least as good as Garner and TS think he is.

    If he is the concern will be holding onto him in January.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,818
    The quote from the Garner interview, my mind instantly went to Tyreece Simpson. Played under Garner last season so BG will know him really well.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,915
    I also feel we’d bite the hand off any decent offers for dj or Kirk,Morgan Jfc and Gilbey 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,818

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