We are already light on wingers. Letting one go now is madness imo
Not if it generates funds for McKirdy.
The amount of people that seem to think Mckirdy would be our best ever signing.
He’s 25 and was released on a free by port vale 12 months ago. Yes he had a good season last year for Swindon but I imagine a lot of those clamouring for him have never seen him play or at least not more than once.
We are already light on wingers. Letting one go now is madness imo
Not if it generates funds for McKirdy.
The amount of people that seem to think Mckirdy would be our best ever signing.
He’s 25 and was released on a free by port vale 12 months ago. Yes he had a good season last year for Swindon but I imagine a lot of those clamouring for him have never seen him play or at least not more than once.
Same goes for Stockton.
A millwall fan I was chatting to yesterday said mckirdy was signing for them today
We are already light on wingers. Letting one go now is madness imo
Not if it generates funds for McKirdy.
The amount of people that seem to think Mckirdy would be our best ever signing.
He’s 25 and was released on a free by port vale 12 months ago. Yes he had a good season last year for Swindon but I imagine a lot of those clamouring for him have never seen him play or at least not more than once.
Same goes for Stockton.
A millwall fan I was chatting to yesterday said mckirdy was signing for them today
We are already light on wingers. Letting one go now is madness imo
Not if it generates funds for McKirdy.
The amount of people that seem to think Mckirdy would be our best ever signing.
He’s 25 and was released on a free by port vale 12 months ago. Yes he had a good season last year for Swindon but I imagine a lot of those clamouring for him have never seen him play or at least not more than once.
Same goes for Stockton.
A millwall fan I was chatting to yesterday said mckirdy was signing for them today
Cawley appeared to rule it out
Yes I know, just reporting what this fella said - he seemed pretty sure
DJ has his limitations but he's skilful, tenacious and gets involved. Twice on Saturday he won the ball high up the pitch and went on a threatening run. He won at least two yellow-card fouls. He got an assist and got in a good scoring position. He almost set up Stockley at the end of a flowing move - he got the pass wrong but he was in a position to make it. He's not perfect at all, or as quick as you might hope, but he contributes. Kirk thus far for us has been nothing but a weak, graft-shy showpony with about two signature moves, neither effective. I literally cannot believe that numerous people are saying he's preferable to DJ, let alone saying he should START for us. DJ can come out of the starting XI when we sign a wing-forward, as we're clearly trying to do. There's just no place for Kirk.
DJ will be out of the team very quickly and play no meaningful part in this season at all. If I’m wrong I will donate £50 to the Upbeats. Thing is, I would love to lose this and pay the £50. Would love him to become a footballer. Unfortunately I don’t think he ever will .
You don't think he will become a footballer? Do people even read the nonsense they post?
I guess my question is do really need to sell either of them given how thin we are at the position. If financial fair play (or whatever acronym league one uses for salary limits) or a budgetary limit set by TS requires us to sell one to get one in, then it is a fair debate. I get nervous when we only have three wide players in a 433 and CBT has historically had some hamstring issues.
Yes, ideally we’d have the 3 we have now plus a new signing. But if we do lose Kirk we still have Leaburn, Kanu and Clayden. Plus Payne could be another option on the right which will help us fitting all our midfielders in the team. And Egbo can play further forward as well so we still have plenty of options
Plenty of options but not a single proper proven goslscorer amongst the lot of them.
I guess my question is do really need to sell either of them given how thin we are at the position. If financial fair play (or whatever acronym league one uses for salary limits) or a budgetary limit set by TS requires us to sell one to get one in, then it is a fair debate. I get nervous when we only have three wide players in a 433 and CBT has historically had some hamstring issues.
Yes, ideally we’d have the 3 we have now plus a new signing. But if we do lose Kirk we still have Leaburn, Kanu and Clayden. Plus Payne could be another option on the right which will help us fitting all our midfielders in the team. And Egbo can play further forward as well so we still have plenty of options
Plenty of options but not a single proper proven goslscorer amongst the lot of them.
True which is why the new signing needs to add goals. I think Rak-Sakyi will do that if we get him but he’s obviously not proven. Payne has a decent record so should score a few, especially if he’s going to be on pens. I would like to keep Kirk though as I think he’s more likely to score than DJ
We are already light on wingers. Letting one go now is madness imo
Not if it generates funds for McKirdy.
The amount of people that seem to think Mckirdy would be our best ever signing.
He’s 25 and was released on a free by port vale 12 months ago. Yes he had a good season last year for Swindon but I imagine a lot of those clamouring for him have never seen him play or at least not more than once.
Same goes for Stockton.
Stockton is a bit different though a) He did it in L1 last season, not L2. b) He did it in a poor side, whereas McKirdy did it in a Swindon side who scored lots of goals near the top of L2 c) We've seen Stockton at The Valley impress with his all around game
Which isn't to say there wouldn't be a risk, but his pedigree is far greater.
Slipping effortlessly into Saint and Greavsie mode here... (Those born after 1992 will have no clue).
"You know Saint? The fact that Charlton have failed to sign a player competent enough to find the old onion bag regularly, will come back to bite them again Saint. Football is a funny old game Saint a funny old game!"
"Auch too right Greavsie!" {Gaffaw, chortle, gaffaw, gaffaw}
We are already light on wingers. Letting one go now is madness imo
Not if it generates funds for McKirdy.
The amount of people that seem to think Mckirdy would be our best ever signing.
He’s 25 and was released on a free by port vale 12 months ago. Yes he had a good season last year for Swindon but I imagine a lot of those clamouring for him have never seen him play or at least not more than once.
Same goes for Stockton.
Stockton is a bit different though a) He did it in L1 last season, not L2. b) He did it in a poor side, whereas McKirdy did it in a Swindon side who scored lots of goals near the top of L2 c) We've seen Stockton at The Valley impress with his all around game
Which isn't to say there wouldn't be a risk, but his pedigree is far greater.
Stocktons career prior to last year, he’s 28. Big risk for me considering the kind of money he would likely cost.
Kirk will end up being like Morgan Fox and Dijksteel - mocked by the boo boys - but play for far better teams than us in a higher league and earning more than our players. He like Fox and Dijksteel will look back and wet himself with laughter at us.
Kirk will end up being like Morgan Fox and Dijksteel - mocked by the boo boys - but play for far better teams than us in a higher league and earning more than our players. He like Fox and Dijksteel will look back and wet himself with laughter at us.
I don’t remember anyone knocking Dijksteel in the short time he got in the first team before leaving. He must’ve only had a short run of games in the promotion season before going to Boro.
Kirk will end up being like Morgan Fox and Dijksteel - mocked by the boo boys - but play for far better teams than us in a higher league and earning more than our players. He like Fox and Dijksteel will look back and wet himself with laughter at us.
Kirk will end up being like Morgan Fox and Dijksteel - mocked by the boo boys - but play for far better teams than us in a higher league and earning more than our players. He like Fox and Dijksteel will look back and wet himself with laughter at us.
Who are these 'boo boys' mocking Kirk? Fact of the matter is that he has yet to offer anything in a Charlton shirt. If he leaves and goes on to win the Champions League then good luck to the guy! Sometimes it just doesn't work out at a certain club.
Dijksteel was a very decent prospect, hence he moved on. A better example is Simon Francis who had a fantastic career despite being very poor at Charlton. It happens.
As for Fox and Dijksteel looking back and wetting themselves with laughter, I suspect they would be more likely recognising the part that their time at Charlton played in them going on to have decent careers.
I think with Kirk, there is clearly talent there and we undoubtedly haven’t seen his best yet. But if we can get, say, £500k for him, I do think that money can be invested better elsewhere as I don’t believe him to be that well suited to our current system. If that money can bring in a decent striker to fight with Jayden for the first XI then I think that would be worth doing.
As for DJ, there is no doubt his Charlton career hasn’t been good enough so far, but I think he is more suited to this system and showed on Saturday some of the talent he has.
Why would a Club pay us the amount we did for a player who hasn't settled/proven himself since his transfer to the club.
There's an extra risk for them and they know they have the upper hand with negotiations.
Quite clearly we would like to recoup our outlay of course we would, can't blame the club for at least trying, but hey, "You pays yer money and yer take yer chance" as the old saying goes, if another club sees what we can't see in a player, then cough up if you want to sign him. In the end, better to make a small loss if that transpires, than keep a player on high wages you ain't benefiting from..which will probably be what happens..
Kirk will end up being like Morgan Fox and Dijksteel - mocked by the boo boys - but play for far better teams than us in a higher league and earning more than our players. He like Fox and Dijksteel will look back and wet himself with laughter at us.
Who cares?
We should because there are others booed to success by the moronic elements of this club.
Not forgetting Francis who was booed out and had a fab career at Bournemouth
Kirk will end up being like Morgan Fox and Dijksteel - mocked by the boo boys - but play for far better teams than us in a higher league and earning more than our players. He like Fox and Dijksteel will look back and wet himself with laughter at us.
I don’t remember anyone knocking Dijksteel in the short time he got in the first team before leaving. He must’ve only had a short run of games in the promotion season before going to Boro.
Yep, Dijksteel was a DM by trade who covered for Solly at RB and went on to make the position his own in that promotion season.
If I remember, he was sold around the beginning of the following season because Roland had apparently promised Bowyer he could use for team buliding any transfer fees generated.
At the time Bowyer said that RB was the easiest position in the team to cover, so it made sense to him to sell Dijksteel after Boro had made a good offer. Otherwise I'm pretty certain that Bowyer would have preferred to keep Dijksteel at Charlton.
Kirk will end up being like Morgan Fox and Dijksteel - mocked by the boo boys - but play for far better teams than us in a higher league and earning more than our players. He like Fox and Dijksteel will look back and wet himself with laughter at us.
Who cares?
We should because there are others booed to success by the moronic elements of this club.
Not forgetting Francis who was booed out and had a fab career at Bournemouth
Yes but I didn't want to say that because I get rounded on when I do.
Or OXO tower who had a good career at Brentford.
Rounding on a player as with Gunter and Matthews etc causes worse performances. Gunter played in the Euro finals out of position in a Wales side and looked far better. Why is that ?
I suspect he actually gave a shit about playing for Wales, us not so much.
Kirk will end up being like Morgan Fox and Dijksteel - mocked by the boo boys - but play for far better teams than us in a higher league and earning more than our players. He like Fox and Dijksteel will look back and wet himself with laughter at us.
Who cares?
We should because there are others booed to success by the moronic elements of this club.
Not forgetting Francis who was booed out and had a fab career at Bournemouth
Yes but I didn't want to say that because I get rounded on when I do.
Or OXO tower who had a good career at Brentford.
Rounding on a player as with Gunter and Matthews etc causes worse performances. Gunter played in the Euro finals out of position in a Wales side and looked far better. Why is that ?
Because he would get paid by us regardless how bad he played?
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Same goes for Stockton.
a) He did it in L1 last season, not L2.
b) He did it in a poor side, whereas McKirdy did it in a Swindon side who scored lots of goals near the top of L2
c) We've seen Stockton at The Valley impress with his all around game
Which isn't to say there wouldn't be a risk, but his pedigree is far greater.
(Those born after 1992 will have no clue).
"You know Saint? The fact that Charlton have failed to sign a player competent enough to find the old onion bag regularly, will come back to bite them again Saint. Football is a funny old game Saint a funny old game!"
"Auch too right Greavsie!"
{Gaffaw, chortle, gaffaw, gaffaw}
Dijksteel was a very decent prospect, hence he moved on. A better example is Simon Francis who had a fantastic career despite being very poor at Charlton. It happens.
As for Fox and Dijksteel looking back and wetting themselves with laughter, I suspect they would be more likely recognising the part that their time at Charlton played in them going on to have decent careers.
Omar scored a worldy vs Golden Generation England in a friendly, a lot more prestigious than a World Cup IMO.
As for DJ, there is no doubt his Charlton career hasn’t been good enough so far, but I think he is more suited to this system and showed on Saturday some of the talent he has.
There's an extra risk for them and they know they have the upper hand with negotiations.
In the end, better to make a small loss if that transpires, than keep a player on high wages you ain't benefiting from..which will probably be what happens..
If I remember, he was sold around the beginning of the following season because Roland had apparently promised Bowyer he could use for team buliding any transfer fees generated.
At the time Bowyer said that RB was the easiest position in the team to cover, so it made sense to him to sell Dijksteel after Boro had made a good offer.
Otherwise I'm pretty certain that Bowyer would have preferred to keep Dijksteel at Charlton.
You heard it here first.
Oxo Tower was probably my least favourite Charlton player of all time
Anyway, back to the prolific transfer rumours.