I'd happily try and move stockley on and get two attackers with the money.
It’s not happening for Stockley but in his defence he’s not getting any service whatsoever. We now have plenty of width - JRS and Kirk had plenty of the ball today - but there’s no quality crosses coming into the box. He’s always got his back to goal when the ball comes into him. His strength is attacking crosses.
I'd happily try and move stockley on and get two attackers with the money.
It’s not happening for Stockley but in his defence he’s not getting any service whatsoever. We now have plenty of width - JRS and Kirk had plenty of the ball today - but there’s no quality crosses coming into the box. He’s always got his back to goal when the ball comes into him. His strength is attacking crosses.
Exactly the point, he doesn’t suit the system. He drops deep to link up play then hasn’t the speed to get in the box for any crosses that come in. If he isn’t going to work in the system then may as well cash in and get someone who does.
This team is crying out for another striker and one who is better than Stockley.
When it’s not working he looks like a pub player. Yes the service into him hasn’t been good and that’s not fair, but it’s not like he even offers us anything to combat that. He’s not great with his feet, he’s not a monster in the air, he doesn’t run in behind and stretch a defence, his link play is okay but not something that can take us up a league.
If he’s not getting quality crosses to attack, he’s useless in this formation. And as our captain, he sure does moan a lot.
There I’ve said it. Allowed my opinion and this is it. I just don’t think we will ever be strong enough for a promotion side with Stockley leading the line on his own. We need better.
Even if the moves don’t work out .. and we go with what we got till think this group will keep us in and around top 6 then we strengthen again in Jan for a final push …. it’s all down to what injuries and who gets injured and more important length of time but more luck and we deserve luck in this area and think we would be ok …
Look at our bench today. The standard and predictable substitutions will be Payne for frazer and leaburn for sakyi. What else do we have? It's not September yet and we are playing claydon and have ness and Henry on the bench. We have 3 loans left available and she should be looking to use them even if the loans are until Jan and we look for better then.
Clayden in there now on merit .. what’s the point of spending millions getting these boys through the academy and don’t play them
This team is crying out for another striker and one who is better than Stockley.
When it’s not working he looks like a pub player. Yes the service into him hasn’t been good and that’s not fair, but it’s not like he even offers us anything to combat that. He’s not great with his feet, he’s not a monster in the air, he doesn’t run in behind and stretch a defence, his link play is okay but not something that can take us up a league.
If he’s not getting quality crosses to attack, he’s useless in this formation. And as our captain, he sure does moan a lot.
There I’ve said it. Allowed my opinion and this is it. I just don’t think we will ever be strong enough for a promotion side with Stockley leading the line on his own. We need better.
I agree 100%. He is a good pro, will score with the right service but don’t see him having the best skillset to fit the way Garner is setting the team up.
I'd happily try and move stockley on and get two attackers with the money.
It’s not happening for Stockley but in his defence he’s not getting any service whatsoever. We now have plenty of width - JRS and Kirk had plenty of the ball today - but there’s no quality crosses coming into the box. He’s always got his back to goal when the ball comes into him. His strength is attacking crosses.
Agree 100% with Sage. He doesn't have anything to offer in this system other than attacking crosses and we need our striker to do a lot more.
You'd think with a big target man up front, we could occasionally hit it up to him when we're under pressure, let him hold off a few players and find a pass. He can't even do that.
But he is the 'honest pro' type who will always have his fans.
This team is crying out for another striker and one who is better than Stockley.
When it’s not working he looks like a pub player. Yes the service into him hasn’t been good and that’s not fair, but it’s not like he even offers us anything to combat that. He’s not great with his feet, he’s not a monster in the air, he doesn’t run in behind and stretch a defence, his link play is okay but not something that can take us up a league.
If he’s not getting quality crosses to attack, he’s useless in this formation. And as our captain, he sure does moan a lot.
There I’ve said it. Allowed my opinion and this is it. I just don’t think we will ever be strong enough for a promotion side with Stockley leading the line on his own. We need better.
Absolute mustard. Was he perfect? No. Was and is he a Championship level Center Back? Yup.
He's actually something of a Rosetta stone for me on how to view peoples' football opinions. If you simply think he's "shit," and can't see any quality in him, I'm not interested in your football opinion.
Also, the subject of one of my favorite exchanges on here. I was once told Harry Lennon was better than Naby Sarr despite Lennon having made some bad mistakes defensively. They are currently three divisions apart.
Currently only have 2 on loan also, could we not explore that window a little more?
In some way I'd be surprised if we didnt expand on our loanees... Its a easy way to climb the table, if done correctly.
In another sense I'm quite glad we've only got two loanees at the moment
Each summer we instantly have to think about having to find and replace five players, regardless of how useful they've been. As things stand, regardless of what League we're in next term, we currently only have to find two replacements, so we're making lives easier for ourselves in that respect.
Currently only have 2 on loan also, could we not explore that window a little more?
In some way I'd be surprised if we didnt expand on our loanees... Its a easy way to climb the table, if done correctly.
In another sense I'm quite glad we've only got two loanees at the moment
Each summer we instantly have to think about having to find and replace five players, regardless of how useful they've been. As things stand, regardless of what League we're in next term, we currently only have to find two replacements, so we're making lives easier for ourselves in that respect.
Doesn’t it depend who is available ? I would rather take a Gallagher or Cullen for a year than sign a 2020 Ben Watson on a perm . ( Extreme example )
Even if the moves don’t work out .. and we go with what we got till think this group will keep us in and around top 6 then we strengthen again in Jan for a final push …. it’s all down to what injuries and who gets injured and more important length of time but more luck and we deserve luck in this area and think we would be ok …
See, I dont get this. Why would you "strengthen in January" when you are half way through the season when you could strengthen now (or even in July) and give yourself a whole season to get promoted instead of playing catch up in the new year.
I'd happily try and move stockley on and get two attackers with the money.
It’s not happening for Stockley but in his defence he’s not getting any service whatsoever. We now have plenty of width - JRS and Kirk had plenty of the ball today - but there’s no quality crosses coming into the box. He’s always got his back to goal when the ball comes into him. His strength is attacking crosses.
His strength,as with most strikers is attacking the ball,but he does not do it.He is nearly always in the area when the ball comes over and is usually underneath it when it arrives.He needs to start his runs right at the back or corner of the penalty area and be at the top of his jump when the ball comes in.(show him some Alan Shearer videos)
This team is crying out for another striker and one who is better than Stockley.
When it’s not working he looks like a pub player. Yes the service into him hasn’t been good and that’s not fair, but it’s not like he even offers us anything to combat that. He’s not great with his feet, he’s not a monster in the air, he doesn’t run in behind and stretch a defence, his link play is okay but not something that can take us up a league.
If he’s not getting quality crosses to attack, he’s useless in this formation. And as our captain, he sure does moan a lot.
There I’ve said it. Allowed my opinion and this is it. I just don’t think we will ever be strong enough for a promotion side with Stockley leading the line on his own. We need better.
Spot on @Sage. Ironically, yesterday, Stockley would have been much better suited to Wycombe's more direct style of play. He has his good qualities but the only way to really showcase them is abandoning Garner's very clear style of play.
Even if the moves don’t work out .. and we go with what we got till think this group will keep us in and around top 6 then we strengthen again in Jan for a final push …. it’s all down to what injuries and who gets injured and more important length of time but more luck and we deserve luck in this area and think we would be ok …
See, I dont get this. Why would you "strengthen in January" when you are half way through the season when you could strengthen now (or even in July) and give yourself a whole season to get promoted instead of playing catch up in the new year.
I suppose the point there is it may become more apparent where you need to strengthen in January so you can target signings for best effect. Things can change in that a youngster goes up a few notches etc... But whilst I say that, I actually agree with you. It is pretty clear where we are short and where we are going to have issues in October, November and December already.
In fact we already are having the issues in some games now.
I'd happily try and move stockley on and get two attackers with the money.
It’s not happening for Stockley but in his defence he’s not getting any service whatsoever. We now have plenty of width - JRS and Kirk had plenty of the ball today - but there’s no quality crosses coming into the box. He’s always got his back to goal when the ball comes into him. His strength is attacking crosses.
His strength,as with most strikers is attacking the ball,but he does not do it.He is nearly always in the area when the ball comes over and is usually underneath it when it arrives.He needs to start his runs right at the back or corner of the penalty area and be at the top of his jump when the ball comes in.(show him some Alan Shearer videos)
His problem is a lack of what in greyhound racing they call ‘early pace’. You need it to get a yard ahead of the defender, or even a foot ahead of the defender, so you can divert the ball into the net, of play it to a team mate.
So many times yesterday he turned 50/50 passes into 60/40 passes in their favour, by lacking the zip to get to them. It also means players won’t play through balls into his path, as defenders would just mop them up.
It makes it much harder for midfielders, as he’s not really an effective out ball, so they’re out under more pressure.
His problem is that when he is on top of a defender he is very effective. But a few defenders get on top of him, whether that is beacuse they double up or because of their individual attributes. I think yesterday was Stockley's worst game for a very long time though and as a defender of him, I couldn't really say anything positive about that performance. He lost absolutely everything he competed for.
Been muted earlier about selling Stockley and getting a couple of replacements in with a bit of pace about them, must say I can see the logic there and after yesterday, which was not a good day for him, he was a liability with again no finished product. Thought it was strange when Ben made him captain, and not sure where he sits in the grand scheme of Garnerball, at times he can hold up the ball and play in someone, but the ball has to be on a tanner for him or he invariably ends up losing the ball, really like Stockley as an honest player, but his limitations could end up being his downfall..
Stockley is a victim of circumstances in many respects. Playing with the responsibility of being captain in a system that doesn’t suit his attributes, which he definitely has. It must be hard to maintain your form when you’re under that type of pressure. In an ideal world we’d be better off moving Jayden on and getting in a couple of players that fit Garnerball better. We haven’t and now we’re between a rock and a hard place. I think unless we get someone in before the window closes who offers what we need then it’s quite possible that our season fizzles out before it’s actually started.
He doesn't get a fair deal from a lot of refs. Players foul and are very physical against him but seem to get away with a lot of it. Look at that foul on him in the first half which had me laughing out loud that the ref missed it. But when he is a little bit physical, fouls get given against him, even in the cases where they are not fouls.
He doesn't get a fair deal from a lot of refs. Players foul and are very physical against him but seem to get away with a lot of it. Look at that foul on him in the first half which had me laughing out loud that the ref missed it. But when he is a little bit physical, fouls get given against him, even in the cases where they are not fouls.
Agreed. I also think their GK went straight through him and got a FK when it should have been a Penalty.
I don't think many refs would give a penalty for that though. Not the ones we get at this level. I think it was one, but Stockley was blocking the keeper off. The question was whether he was obstructing him unfairly, but I don't think he was so the keeper effectively went through him as you say and a defender couldn't do that so why can a keeper? But the fact you can ask the question means most refs will take the easy way out which I do understand.
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If an offer comes in for anyone in this squad, that Sandgaard agrees with, then I think they'll be off.
When it’s not working he looks like a pub player. Yes the service into him hasn’t been good and that’s not fair, but it’s not like he even offers us anything to combat that. He’s not great with his feet, he’s not a monster in the air, he doesn’t run in behind and stretch a defence, his link play is okay but not something that can take us up a league.
If he’s not getting quality crosses to attack, he’s useless in this formation. And as our captain, he sure does moan a lot.
There I’ve said it. Allowed my opinion and this is it. I just don’t think we will ever be strong enough for a promotion side with Stockley leading the line on his own. We need better.
You'd think with a big target man up front, we could occasionally hit it up to him when we're under pressure, let him hold off a few players and find a pass. He can't even do that.
But he is the 'honest pro' type who will always have his fans.
In another sense I'm quite glad we've only got two loanees at the moment
Each summer we instantly have to think about having to find and replace five players, regardless of how useful they've been. As things stand, regardless of what League we're in next term, we currently only have to find two replacements, so we're making lives easier for ourselves in that respect.
Massive bonus for us that he was injured yesterday.
In fact we already are having the issues in some games now.
Thought it was strange when Ben made him captain, and not sure where he sits in the grand scheme of Garnerball, at times he can hold up the ball and play in someone, but the ball has to be on a tanner for him or he invariably ends up losing the ball, really like Stockley as an honest player, but his limitations could end up being his downfall..