i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
Obviously I have no idea of how powerful these things are, but “big data” is a massive part of business these days. I don’t think it’s beyond the realms of possibility that it includes all sorts of stats like completed passes per game, marks out of 10, crosses, KMs run per game etc.
do the algorithms take into account the human aspect of players?, surely that’s the one thing a stat can never really account for?, I genuinely don’t know about such things, but the character of someone is usually very high on a managers checklist and separates an otherwise average player statistically to an above average player. This is what I would question about stats orientated signings. I’m guessing all this is taken into account in the process?.
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
Obviously I have no idea of how powerful these things are, but “big data” is a massive part of business these days. I don’t think it’s beyond the realms of possibility that it includes all sorts of stats like completed passes per game, marks out of 10, crosses, KMs run per game etc.
Surely it’s about using all the tools available to you, one of the main ideas behind using stats is picking out players that others won’t. A player could be ideal for our style of play despite not standing out in certain areas.
I’d be very surprised if the black box doesn’t included those stats and a lot more. It won’t just be player profiles with position, injury history, discipline etc.
Whether a player was first identified using analytics, traditional scouting or recommendations isn’t the important thing. Big test for the set up this summer after having a year to iron out issues and really establish how it’s used and who’s involved.
I feel much better about Hylton than I do about Marquis. Neither would be my first choice though. The prospect of another Watson/Gunter/Arter type is much stronger with Marquis than it is with Hylton IMO.
Hylton got minutes (4 goals in 17 apps) for Luton who finished in the Championship play-offs. Marquis barely made an impact at Lincoln.
I feel much better about Hylton than I do about Marquis. Neither would be my first choice though. The prospect of another Watson/Gunter/Arter type is much stronger with Marquis than it is with Hylton IMO.
Hylton got minutes (4 goals in 17 apps) for Luton who finished in the Championship play-offs. Marquis barely made an impact at Lincoln.
Hylton also didn't score in 30 appearances before that. Marquis is a proven League 1 goalscorer. Admittedly Hylton only had the one season in League 1 for Luton but in a Championship winning team he was third choice. Plus that was probably when he was in his prime. I think bottom end of League 1/top end of League 2 beckons for him.
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
They are using the Charlton Life black box. Height the only metric
We need a lot of quality. We need a forward better than both Aneke and Stockley, and I appreciate Stockley may not be here at the start of the season.
I think we’ve got a crowded midfield but Dobson, Fraser and CBT have the potential to deliver. Kirk is a mystery given the circumstances of last season and how it didn’t work. I don’t know if there is a role for him. I’m not a JFC fan but I appreciate I am in the minority.
DJ and Gilbey are mediocre players that I’ll be happy to see a lot less of if possible next season.
Defence is threadbare. Can Clare operate in a 2 man centre back partnership? I’m still scratching my head at Inniss but I presume he’s cover only. We don’t have a right back and Purrington is unknown as to whether he’s staying and to be honest, I think we could do/need better.
Even Mac in goal isn’t someone I would lose sleep over if he left.
I think we need a LB, RB, CB and Forward, possibly 2 at a minimum, and I still wouldn’t be that confident
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
I feel much better about Hylton than I do about Marquis. Neither would be my first choice though. The prospect of another Watson/Gunter/Arter type is much stronger with Marquis than it is with Hylton IMO.
Hylton got minutes (4 goals in 17 apps) for Luton who finished in the Championship play-offs. Marquis barely made an impact at Lincoln.
Hylton also didn't score in 30 appearances before that. Marquis is a proven League 1 goalscorer. Admittedly Hylton only had the one season in League 1 for Luton but in a Championship winning team he was third choice. Plus that was probably when he was in his prime. I think bottom end of League 1/top end of League 2 beckons for him.
Not saying I love either of them but if I had to choose one, I’d go with Hylton.
I feel much better about Hylton than I do about Marquis. Neither would be my first choice though. The prospect of another Watson/Gunter/Arter type is much stronger with Marquis than it is with Hylton IMO.
Hylton got minutes (4 goals in 17 apps) for Luton who finished in the Championship play-offs. Marquis barely made an impact at Lincoln.
Hylton also didn't score in 30 appearances before that. Marquis is a proven League 1 goalscorer. Admittedly Hylton only had the one season in League 1 for Luton but in a Championship winning team he was third choice. Plus that was probably when he was in his prime. I think bottom end of League 1/top end of League 2 beckons for him.
Not saying I love either of them but if I had to choose one, I’d go with Hylton.
Fair enough, I feel the same that I probably wouldn't want either but I'd go Marquis if I had to.
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
Obviously I have no idea of how powerful these things are, but “big data” is a massive part of business these days. I don’t think it’s beyond the realms of possibility that it includes all sorts of stats like completed passes per game, marks out of 10, crosses, KMs run per game etc.
do the algorithms take into account the human aspect of players?, surely that’s the one thing a stat can never really account for?, I genuinely don’t know about such things, but the character of someone is usually very high on a managers checklist and separates an otherwise average player statistically to an above average player. This is what I would question about stats orientated signings. I’m guessing all this is taken into account in the process?.
Garner went out his way to say in the OS interview how important those intangible aspects like character and personality are in the recruitment process and how much weight he gives to them, not relying just on stats.
12 League goals since 18/19 I doubt any of those clubs are interested. Thats some really poor agent work right there, I mean come on, make it slightly realistic!
can't see any of them teams linked being interested - he looked like a nuisance factor and nothing more in the game i saw him play
Martin’s football analytics tool
Name: Danny Hylton
Player type: nuisance Position: striker
High press ✅ (if legs haven’t gone) Goalscorer ❌
Decision: shortlist as 10th choice, sign on deadline day if all other targets missed
That's hilarious, you should do one for every potential signing
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
Director of Analysis is his role. The rest of the team I am sure have worked in football and are qualified for their roles but that doesn’t mean it’s ok for the head to be unqualified. He wouldn’t have got that position at any other club in the football league so I think it’s fair to say it’s a slight concern that he is there and that if we had advertised the job there would have been better candidates
I feel much better about Hylton than I do about Marquis. Neither would be my first choice though. The prospect of another Watson/Gunter/Arter type is much stronger with Marquis than it is with Hylton IMO.
Hylton got minutes (4 goals in 17 apps) for Luton who finished in the Championship play-offs. Marquis barely made an impact at Lincoln.
Hylton is old enough to be my dad and I am over 70.
Three years between them ('89 vs '92). Does that make Marquis old enough to be your uncle?
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
Director of Analysis is his role. The rest of the team I am sure have worked in football and are qualified for their roles but that doesn’t mean it’s ok for the head to be unqualified. He wouldn’t have got that position at any other club in the football league so I think it’s fair to say it’s a slight concern that he is there and that if we had advertised the job there would have been better candidates
Maybe. But Martin Sandgaaard has been in the role for several months now and works closely with Steve Gallen. He must be picking up practical knowhow and experience while working on the job.
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
Director of Analysis is his role. The rest of the team I am sure have worked in football and are qualified for their roles but that doesn’t mean it’s ok for the head to be unqualified. He wouldn’t have got that position at any other club in the football league so I think it’s fair to say it’s a slight concern that he is there and that if we had advertised the job there would have been better candidates
Martin's role has either been previously over hyped by his dad. There could be many reasons why he did that, from proud dad, shift the blame onto Adkins and Roddy etc.
Or his role changed and he has less influence than he did.
Or Gallen is telling porkies.
What's happened has happened. What's going to happen next is the important bit.
If lessons have been learnt, improvements made that's fine. If they haven't well who knows. Only time will tell.
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!
He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game. But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!
He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game. But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
Source?
Has anyone ever said Martin is involved in performance analysis?
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
Obviously I have no idea of how powerful these things are, but “big data” is a massive part of business these days. I don’t think it’s beyond the realms of possibility that it includes all sorts of stats like completed passes per game, marks out of 10, crosses, KMs run per game etc.
do the algorithms take into account the human aspect of players?, surely that’s the one thing a stat can never really account for?, I genuinely don’t know about such things, but the character of someone is usually very high on a managers checklist and separates an otherwise average player statistically to an above average player. This is what I would question about stats orientated signings. I’m guessing all this is taken into account in the process?.
Garner went out his way to say in the OS interview how important those intangible aspects like character and personality are in the recruitment process and how much weight he gives to them, not relying just on stats.
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I’d be very surprised if the black box doesn’t included those stats and a lot more. It won’t just be player profiles with position, injury history, discipline etc.
Whether a player was first identified using analytics, traditional scouting or recommendations isn’t the important thing. Big test for the set up this summer after having a year to iron out issues and really establish how it’s used and who’s involved.
Hylton got minutes (4 goals in 17 apps) for Luton who finished in the Championship play-offs. Marquis barely made an impact at Lincoln.
I think we’ve got a crowded midfield but Dobson, Fraser and CBT have the potential to deliver. Kirk is a mystery given the circumstances of last season and how it didn’t work. I don’t know if there is a role for him. I’m not a JFC fan but I appreciate I am in the minority.
DJ and Gilbey are mediocre players that I’ll be happy to see a lot less of if possible next season.
Even Mac in goal isn’t someone I would lose sleep over if he left.
All your Johnny facts for your reading pleasure
https://alphanewscall.com/2022/05/04/johnny-williams-net-worth-height-age-gay/amp/
I don't even know what this is 🤯🤯 I read it so now you have to as well.
That's got to be written by AI
I was very pleased to hear it.
Or at least what he'll look like before the end of the season!
He must be picking up practical knowhow and experience while working on the job.
Or his role changed and he has less influence than he did.
Or Gallen is telling porkies.
What's happened has happened. What's going to happen next is the important bit.
If lessons have been learnt, improvements made that's fine. If they haven't well who knows. Only time will tell.
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!
But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
Has anyone ever said Martin is involved in performance analysis?
Which is a completely different job.