Clare did some good things but he's not a defender in a million years. Not great for their 2nd....he can be tighter to help with a block. Very poor for their 3rd....let matey advance and pick his spot.
Useful squad player but I agree with Chris Perry....not a first choice defender (if you want to go up).
Whole mess is evident in last 5 mins. Crying out for long diagonal up to Stockley and Aneke and pick up the bits. Instead we fuck about passing inside to Dobson while Aneke is hovering about outside the area. No appreciation of what was needed. Just as we finally tried it, the ref blew for full-time.
I did a 10k run in Victoria Park today. Went past a red headed chap who was wearing the black Charlton 3rd kit shirt. I gave him a wave of encouragement.
He looked like his race was run ..a bridge too far ..best days behind him.
Clare did some good things but he's not a defender in a million years. Not great for their 2nd....he can be tighter to help with a block. Very poor for their 3rd....let matey advance and pick his spot.
Useful squad player but I agree with Chris Perry....not a first choice defender (if you want to go up).
Whole mess is evident in last 5 mins. Crying out for long diagonal up to Stockley and Aneke and pick up the bits. Instead we fuck about passing inside to Dobson while Aneke is hovering about outside the area. No appreciation of what was needed. Just as we finally tried it, the ref blew for full-time.
This is a very poorly coached team.
I didn’t go today but have just watched the highlights back and the first and third goals really show why these players don’t work in this formation.
Blackett-Taylor and Jayisiemi have both had good moments attacking at wing back but are too often caught out of position or don’t track their man when defending. That’s because they are out and out wingers…
Clare has been very good for much of the season at centre half but, to echo Simonsen’s comments above, the way he failed to close down their attacker for their goal today along with some of his other decisions in recent weeks show that he is still a square peg in a round hole. That’s because he ain’t a defender…
I really hope Jackson gets it right next season but, if he is going to stick with this formation, he needs to have a huge clear out of this squad and that may as well include all the wingers because, as good as they may be going forward (particularly CBT), they are always going to leave gaps in behind which will lead to goals conceded.
Clare did some good things but he's not a defender in a million years. Not great for their 2nd....he can be tighter to help with a block. Very poor for their 3rd....let matey advance and pick his spot.
Useful squad player but I agree with Chris Perry....not a first choice defender (if you want to go up).
Whole mess is evident in last 5 mins. Crying out for long diagonal up to Stockley and Aneke and pick up the bits. Instead we fuck about passing inside to Dobson while Aneke is hovering about outside the area. No appreciation of what was needed. Just as we finally tried it, the ref blew for full-time.
This is a very poorly coached team.
I didn’t go today but have just watched the highlights back and the first and third goals really show why these players don’t work in this formation.
Blackett-Taylor and Jayisiemi have both had good moments attacking at wing back but are too often caught out of position or don’t track their man when defending. That’s because they are out and out wingers…
Clare has been very good for much of the season at centre half but, to echo Simonsen’s comments above, the way he failed to close down their attacker for their goal today along with some of his other decisions in recent weeks show that he is still a square peg in a round hole. That’s because he ain’t a defender…
I really hope Jackson gets it right next season but, if he is going to stick with this formation, he needs to have a huge clear out of this squad and that may as well include all the wingers because, as good as they may be going forward (particularly CBT), they are always going to leave gaps in behind which will lead to goals conceded.
All wing backs are going to leave gaps sometimes, it’s the nature of the position. It’s how the team copes when that happens that’s the issue.
I’ve seen a few other clubs fans say that Morecambe are the worst team they’ve faced this season and we got played off the park by them. Depressing as fuck.
Clare did some good things but he's not a defender in a million years. Not great for their 2nd....he can be tighter to help with a block. Very poor for their 3rd....let matey advance and pick his spot.
Useful squad player but I agree with Chris Perry....not a first choice defender (if you want to go up).
Whole mess is evident in last 5 mins. Crying out for long diagonal up to Stockley and Aneke and pick up the bits. Instead we fuck about passing inside to Dobson while Aneke is hovering about outside the area. No appreciation of what was needed. Just as we finally tried it, the ref blew for full-time.
This is a very poorly coached team.
I didn’t go today but have just watched the highlights back and the first and third goals really show why these players don’t work in this formation.
Blackett-Taylor and Jayisiemi have both had good moments attacking at wing back but are too often caught out of position or don’t track their man when defending. That’s because they are out and out wingers…
Clare has been very good for much of the season at centre half but, to echo Simonsen’s comments above, the way he failed to close down their attacker for their goal today along with some of his other decisions in recent weeks show that he is still a square peg in a round hole. That’s because he ain’t a defender…
I really hope Jackson gets it right next season but, if he is going to stick with this formation, he needs to have a huge clear out of this squad and that may as well include all the wingers because, as good as they may be going forward (particularly CBT), they are always going to leave gaps in behind which will lead to goals conceded.
All wing backs are going to leave gaps sometimes, it’s the nature of the position. It’s how the team copes when that happens that’s the issue.
That is true but you would expect them to have the defensive instinct to stick with their runners? Or the positional sense to know when to go to a man or drop off?
I’ve seen a few other clubs fans say that Morecambe are the worst team they’ve faced this season and we got played off the park by them. Depressing as fuck.
They were total crap for the first 15 mins. Had them on the ropes. I can’t explain the other 75.
What is wrong with our coaching? How come we buy players that on paper are great, even players of the season (Mcgillvray), but the minute they put on a Red and White kit (or Green) they become zombies or injured, or booked.
This has to be the worst performing team on paper, in our division, compared to the player hype. I love Jacko but his team is ill disciplined and not playing in his mould.
There is no cohesion and almost every team gets an easy ride. I have no idea what the answer is but the question yet again is, can Thomas sort out this shitshow?
If for next season I was offered 100/1 for Promoted, or Evens for Not Promoted, I know where my money would be going, unless there is a major shakeup.
The first 2 goals were once again down to the players inability, to be able to defend adequately, in the formation they are being asked to play.
1st goal CBT was nowhere to be seen, so Famewo got dragged across to LB position. Pearce then got dragged across to cover Famewo being out left, leaving a gaping great hole where you would usually have 2 centre backs in a back four.
The 2nd goal, instead of having a line of 4, Pearce tried to win a header in front of his man, lost the rebound and once again, we were wide open.
These players are poor (many), but I honestly think if we were playing a formation that suited them we would have at least been higher up, say 9th or 10th.
Clare did some good things but he's not a defender in a million years. Not great for their 2nd....he can be tighter to help with a block. Very poor for their 3rd....let matey advance and pick his spot.
Useful squad player but I agree with Chris Perry....not a first choice defender (if you want to go up).
Whole mess is evident in last 5 mins. Crying out for long diagonal up to Stockley and Aneke and pick up the bits. Instead we fuck about passing inside to Dobson while Aneke is hovering about outside the area. No appreciation of what was needed. Just as we finally tried it, the ref blew for full-time.
This is a very poorly coached team.
Something I commented about at the game this afternoon, is that we had 3 strikers on at the end, but they struggled to work out how to actually play as a team.
Thus when crosses came in, they all went to the middle of the box or the far post or the near post, instead of challenging defenders by moving as individuals into space
I’ve seen a few other clubs fans say that Morecambe are the worst team they’ve faced this season and we got played off the park by them. Depressing as fuck.
We actually played them off the park for the first 10-15 mins. Problem is, like every match, we don't capitalise & let the other team to get settled. I said on the match thread at around 3.25pm that that was it as Morecambe had started to attack & it wouldn't be long before Stockton scored. 3 mins later he did. And then they got the killer second. No need to explain why we all knew it was over at that point. We just cant do what Derby did tonight.
I'm starting to think Jackson has lost the plot. We have been playing poorly and looking vulnerable since January. Everyone including Jackson (he said so today) knows that the players are not capable of playing his formation. Whether the fault lies with the players or the coach or a combination of both I'm unsure. But why has he persisted playing a way we all know will lose games?
Thought it was a decent spectacle in the sunshine. They were clearly hungry for it and good luck to them. Hope they stay up.
People are clearly having a laugh saying we need a total clear out. There are plenty of players in the squad who are good enough to get us up out of this division. We do however need better recruitment because the last 3 or 4 windows have been really poor. It’s only from this perspective that I worry. Jacko should get a full season.
Good idea, let’s keep the players that are likely to finish in our lowest league position ever!!!, and hope they can be better next season when there default setting is to be shit. That will entice people into the early bird season ticket.👍
Lets be honest We could have been playing in Div 2 next year,as some performances have been that bad Fluke luck, call it what you like. It could have gone soooooo wrong .Next year we may not be so lucky, Particularly if we stay with this nucleus of a team. that plays with an apathetic,'she'l be right' approach. It needs a 'win at all costs' mentality, and cultural change And you can bet your house that C B T will be the next player sold on to a more ambitious club. Nothing new at Charlton. Seen it over 65 + years
Just fed up to the back teeth of it all. This team is just so inconsistent. Or is it hopeless?
Just as I finally start to warm to MacGillivray he goes and costs us a goal with a stupid throw out; I hope all those who said last week that Pearce should be a mainstay in our defence next season finally realise that great player that he has been, he should be no-where near our first team on a regular basis; Morgan and Gilbey were once again dire.
And JJ's continual playing of this 3-5-2 formation is surly going to cost him his job sooner or later. These players can't play it. And I very much doubt TS is going to bring in a near new team to enable us to do so.
And to add insult to injury, tomorrow I can watch Palace play a FA Cup semi-final at Wembley. I just know they are going to beat a Chelsea team that is knackered and disappointed after their exit from the Champions League.
These are not great times to put it mildly.
And i'm gunna see Palarse play Manure next ,pre season in Melbourne at the M C G .Such irony as i support any team playing Palarse and any team playing. Manure
A frustrating but entertaining enough game with a few quality finishes amongst some poor defensive decision making. Two more games I can make this season, starting at Cambridge. Hopefully will see a better result or two. More so looking forward to the summer transfer window. You can only live in hope…
Like we waited and waited in the last transfer window. Got Nile John who never even played And he wasn't the only one .Bout sums us up really
Clare did some good things but he's not a defender in a million years. Not great for their 2nd....he can be tighter to help with a block. Very poor for their 3rd....let matey advance and pick his spot.
Useful squad player but I agree with Chris Perry....not a first choice defender (if you want to go up).
Whole mess is evident in last 5 mins. Crying out for long diagonal up to Stockley and Aneke and pick up the bits. Instead we fuck about passing inside to Dobson while Aneke is hovering about outside the area. No appreciation of what was needed. Just as we finally tried it, the ref blew for full-time.
This is a very poorly coached team.
Totally agree mate
Yes-Sometimes that long diagonal ball can be a real defense splitter ,But for what i have seen at this level, who amongst them can drop that ball 'pin point' on a sixpence? and more worryingly, who amongst them can control it, without the mandatory 'heavy touch'? It sorts the men out from the boys
Would give a left bollock to never see this god awful inept team ever again. So bored of them all.
A left bollock or THE left bollock? How many are there?
Also would carry a bit more weight if you had said “my left bollock” than just a generic “a” left one, as clearly the former would involve personal loss rather than the latter, which could be any old unfortunate being debolloxed
Same old same old, short passage of good play then give up. Both halves followed the pattern. Put it on the match thread but the regularity and lengths of time this happens can't just be down to the players having a collective switch off.
Still, got the same old bollocks arguments to look forward to as Powell and Bowyer now. So that's nice.
Would give a left bollock to never see this god awful inept team ever again. So bored of them all.
A left bollock or THE left bollock? How many are there?
Also would carry a bit more weight if you had said “my left bollock” than just a generic “a” left one, as clearly the former would involve personal loss rather than the latter, which could be any old unfortunate being debolloxed
To be fair to the original poster, I might give a left bollock too, but I draw the line at my own. You can't separate the dynamic duo.
I want Albie to be a success but 6s in the ratings are madness.
I'm not sticking it on him though, his confidence is shot and yet we've not allowed him to play with the u23s in the time he wasn't even on the bench.
TBH, I've given up on hopes of Albie being a success at Charlton. He's 22 years old and has had four seasons with the first team. I can't honestly say I've seen the development I'd have liked since he was a teenager. He's rapidly approaching the footballing golden-years of his mid-twenties, but he's still not reached a level where I'm comfortable seeing him regularly in our first team.
I think he's the sort of player who could carve out a decent career in midfield for someone like Gillingham or Colchester... and then at some point he'll come back on a visit and make us look stupid for letting him go.
Yesterday's game was like the whole season in microcosm. Play well for a bit, fail to score. Start to wane and it's only a matter of time before we go behind. Look like getting back into it and someone drops a clanger. Chase the game at the end but it's too little too late. We need new blood and new ideas.
I do hope Thomas is going to jet in for the final few games, to witness in person what the rest of us can see, a bang average team playing a formation which doesn't work. Its time for Thomas to roll his sleeves up and sort the mess out and quickly, bring in help & the right staff and players to make it happen. As a work colleague of mine used to say "Its not my problem old boy!".....thank God! I've got my ticket for Ipswich and then looking forward to the summer and a break. I'll come back as ever with optimism and hope, will it be good or bad times ahead for 22/23 who knows?
Here’s more meaningless/meaningful? crap to look at… shot map for the two teams. Charlton shots in orange, Morecambe shots in blue.
On an average day, Morecambe would score one maybe two goals from those shots in blue. But of course they were playing against CAFC which always adds at least an extra goal on. :-)
Once again,a half decent performance which was spoilt by stupid basic errors.Not tracking back,allowing a player to waltz around in our box and finally,the keeper supplying an early easter present. 1)Do we need a system whereby our most potent forward,spends his energy defending. 2)Stockley today was poor,yes he scored a tap in,but his hold up game was Hackney Marshes div.6 standard,why do players not spend some of their ample spare time improving on their bad points. 3)Clare was very good,except for one slight mishap which stunned the crowd into silence. 4)I note,not surprisingly,Jason Pearce is copping it,well,I do not think he is the only centre back to have trouble keeping Stockton quiet,the guy is a good player,way above this level. 5)We have I believe a hard core of decent defenders when all fit,we have some good midfield players,JFC,Dobson,Fraser,but not really an outstanding player who can take the game by the scruff of the neck and dictate play.Up Front is a problem,far too many crosses and pull backs just not reaching our players,How many times yesterday did we get to the byline and get nothing. I will buy my ticket for next season,but will be pissed off if new blood does not arrive.
Compare us to top dogs Wigan and we are 34 points and 41 goals to the worse. Sixth place Sunderland are 23 points and 25 goals better off.
Stockley and Washington have 26 goals between them which is reasonable in a struggling team, but after that there is basically nothing. Our play maker Gilbey has 2 goals and 1 assist, Morgan 1 goal and 4 assists, DJ 2 goals 2 assists, CBT 1 goal and 4 assists. (These BBC stats include the cups, so possibly even worse regarding the league).
I don't think this lot can be tweaked into action. For us to present a challenge next season a massive overhaul is required.
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He looked like his race was run ..a bridge too far ..best days behind him.
Had to double check it wasnt Ben Watson
Clare has been very good for much of the season at centre half but, to echo Simonsen’s comments above, the way he failed to close down their attacker for their goal today along with some of his other decisions in recent weeks show that he is still a square peg in a round hole. That’s because he ain’t a defender…
I really hope Jackson gets it right next season but, if he is going to stick with this formation, he needs to have a huge clear out of this squad and that may as well include all the wingers because, as good as they may be going forward (particularly CBT), they are always going to leave gaps in behind which will lead to goals conceded.
This has to be the worst performing team on paper, in our division, compared to the player hype. I love Jacko but his team is ill disciplined and not playing in his mould.
There is no cohesion and almost every team gets an easy ride. I have no idea what the answer is but the question yet again is, can Thomas sort out this shitshow?
If for next season I was offered 100/1 for Promoted, or Evens for Not Promoted, I know where my money would be going, unless there is a major shakeup.
1st goal CBT was nowhere to be seen, so Famewo got dragged across to LB position.
Pearce then got dragged across to cover Famewo being out left, leaving a gaping great hole where you would usually have 2 centre backs in a back four.
The 2nd goal, instead of having a line of 4, Pearce tried to win a header in front of his man, lost the rebound and once again, we were wide open.
These players are poor (many), but I honestly think if we were playing a formation that suited them we would have at least been higher up, say 9th or 10th.
Thus when crosses came in, they all went to the middle of the box or the far post or the near post, instead of challenging defenders by moving as individuals into space
We have been playing poorly and looking vulnerable since January.
Everyone including Jackson (he said so today) knows that the players are not capable of playing his formation.
Whether the fault lies with the players or the coach or a combination of both I'm unsure.
But why has he persisted playing a way we all know will lose games?
Still, got the same old bollocks arguments to look forward to as Powell and Bowyer now. So that's nice.
I think he's the sort of player who could carve out a decent career in midfield for someone like Gillingham or Colchester... and then at some point he'll come back on a visit and make us look stupid for letting him go.
Yesterday's MoM: Blackett-Taylor. Yesterday's Howler: MacGillivray.
On an average day, Morecambe would score one maybe two goals from those shots in blue. But of course they were playing against CAFC which always adds at least an extra goal on. :-)
1)Do we need a system whereby our most potent forward,spends his energy defending.
2)Stockley today was poor,yes he scored a tap in,but his hold up game was Hackney Marshes div.6 standard,why do players not spend some of their ample spare time improving on their bad points.
3)Clare was very good,except for one slight mishap which stunned the crowd into silence.
4)I note,not surprisingly,Jason Pearce is copping it,well,I do not think he is the only centre back to have trouble keeping Stockton quiet,the guy is a good player,way above this level.
5)We have I believe a hard core of decent defenders when all fit,we have some good midfield players,JFC,Dobson,Fraser,but not really an outstanding player who can take the game by the scruff of the neck and dictate play.Up Front is a problem,far too many crosses and pull backs just not reaching our players,How many times yesterday did we get to the byline and get nothing.
I will buy my ticket for next season,but will be pissed off if new blood does not arrive.
Compare us to top dogs Wigan and we are 34 points and 41 goals to the worse. Sixth place Sunderland are 23 points and 25 goals better off.
Stockley and Washington have 26 goals between them which is reasonable in a struggling team, but after that there is basically nothing. Our play maker Gilbey has 2 goals and 1 assist, Morgan 1 goal and 4 assists, DJ 2 goals 2 assists, CBT 1 goal and 4 assists. (These BBC stats include the cups, so possibly even worse regarding the league).
I don't think this lot can be tweaked into action. For us to present a challenge next season a massive overhaul is required.