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Post-match Thread: Charlton Athletic vs Morecambe | Saturday 15th April 2022

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    Scoham said:
    mendonca said:
    Morecambe Gaffer has just ruined next season for us:

    “We knew the gameplan and we had to suss them out – we did that really well. We locked high on to their back three, we dealt with their wing-backs with our full-backs, our midfield players then locked on to their midfield players. It stopped them playing."
    Jacko got the bounce with his tactics when he took over, but many opposition managers have sussed out how to counter them, hence our results settling down to mid table mediocrity 
    mendonca said:
    Morecambe Gaffer has just ruined next season for us:

    “We knew the gameplan and we had to suss them out – we did that really well. We locked high on to their back three, we dealt with their wing-backs with our full-backs, our midfield players then locked on to their midfield players. It stopped them playing."
    And yet several clubs are fighting for promotion playing three at the back.

    The formation isn’t the issue, it’s the quality and in some cases the attitude of the players.

    Switch to other systems and it won’t be long until the weaknesses in those will be exposed too.
    The point is the lack of tactical flexibility and adjustments DURING the game when it isn't working or needs a change. 

    Once it's clear that they've nullified the tactic, a good manager makes changes. The Morecambe manager is confused that Jackson himself didn't at half time. 
    We ended up scoring twice in the second half without changing things around. Maybe we should’ve started 4-3-3 and switched to 3-5-2 at half time. :-)

    The Morecambe manager can say they ‘nullified’ us but in reality we created 1.5 ish xG in the first half without actually hitting the net while they scored two goals from around 0.7 xG. That’s not them nullifying us, that’s us being wasteful as per.
    They scored their 3rd 6 minutes after we got a goal back. Sounds like they just went back to how they know to attack us and scored again. 
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    edited April 2022
    Scoham said:
    mendonca said:
    Morecambe Gaffer has just ruined next season for us:

    “We knew the gameplan and we had to suss them out – we did that really well. We locked high on to their back three, we dealt with their wing-backs with our full-backs, our midfield players then locked on to their midfield players. It stopped them playing."
    Jacko got the bounce with his tactics when he took over, but many opposition managers have sussed out how to counter them, hence our results settling down to mid table mediocrity 
    mendonca said:
    Morecambe Gaffer has just ruined next season for us:

    “We knew the gameplan and we had to suss them out – we did that really well. We locked high on to their back three, we dealt with their wing-backs with our full-backs, our midfield players then locked on to their midfield players. It stopped them playing."
    And yet several clubs are fighting for promotion playing three at the back.

    The formation isn’t the issue, it’s the quality and in some cases the attitude of the players.

    Switch to other systems and it won’t be long until the weaknesses in those will be exposed too.
    The point is the lack of tactical flexibility and adjustments DURING the game when it isn't working or needs a change. 

    Once it's clear that they've nullified the tactic, a good manager makes changes. The Morecambe manager is confused that Jackson himself didn't at half time. 
    We ended up scoring twice in the second half without changing things around. Maybe we should’ve started 4-3-3 and switched to 3-5-2 at half time. :-)

    The Morecambe manager can say they ‘nullified’ us but in reality we created 1.5 ish xG in the first half without actually hitting the net while they scored two goals from around 0.7 xG. That’s not them nullifying us, that’s us being wasteful as per.
    They scored their 3rd 6 minutes after we got a goal back. Sounds like they just went back to how they know to attack us and scored again. 
    Did you see the game? They only scored a third because of a McG error.
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    Chunes said:
    Scoham said:
    mendonca said:
    Morecambe Gaffer has just ruined next season for us:

    “We knew the gameplan and we had to suss them out – we did that really well. We locked high on to their back three, we dealt with their wing-backs with our full-backs, our midfield players then locked on to their midfield players. It stopped them playing."
    Jacko got the bounce with his tactics when he took over, but many opposition managers have sussed out how to counter them, hence our results settling down to mid table mediocrity 
    mendonca said:
    Morecambe Gaffer has just ruined next season for us:

    “We knew the gameplan and we had to suss them out – we did that really well. We locked high on to their back three, we dealt with their wing-backs with our full-backs, our midfield players then locked on to their midfield players. It stopped them playing."
    And yet several clubs are fighting for promotion playing three at the back.

    The formation isn’t the issue, it’s the quality and in some cases the attitude of the players.

    Switch to other systems and it won’t be long until the weaknesses in those will be exposed too.
    The point is the lack of tactical flexibility and adjustments DURING the game when it isn't working or needs a change. 

    Once it's clear that they've nullified the tactic, a good manager makes changes. The Morecambe manager is confused that Jackson himself didn't at half time. 
    We ended up scoring twice in the second half without changing things around. Maybe we should’ve started 4-3-3 and switched to 3-5-2 at half time. :-)

    The Morecambe manager can say they ‘nullified’ us but in reality we created 1.5 ish xG in the first half without actually hitting the net while they scored two goals from around 0.7 xG. That’s not them nullifying us, that’s us being wasteful as per.
    They scored their 3rd 6 minutes after we got a goal back. Sounds like they just went back to how they know to attack us and scored again. 
    Did you see the game? They only scored a third because of a McG error.
    Yes.

    But it wasn't against the run of play at all. 
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    From where I was sitting it looked as if Chucks could not move let alone run. If he is injured why is he on the bench.
    chris Powell completely changed the squad and it worked. I cannot see that happening in the Close season.
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    edited April 2022
    From where I was sitting it looked as if Chucks could not move let alone run. If he is injured why is he on the bench.
    chris Powell completely changed the squad and it worked. I cannot see that happening in the Close season.
    JJ said he had only done two days training and was out for a while. Clearly unfit, and he still scored. 
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    edited April 2022
    paulg1947 said:
    mendonca said:
    Morecambe Gaffer has just ruined next season for us:

    “We knew the gameplan and we had to suss them out – we did that really well. We locked high on to their back three, we dealt with their wing-backs with our full-backs, our midfield players then locked on to their midfield players. It stopped them playing."
    Either a genius or a smart arse .Its the latter for me Showed in the second half
    Neither for me, just a lucky git..we just stopped playing weeks ago... B)

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    mendonca said:
    Morecambe Gaffer has just ruined next season for us:

    “We knew the gameplan and we had to suss them out – we did that really well. We locked high on to their back three, we dealt with their wing-backs with our full-backs, our midfield players then locked on to their midfield players. It stopped them playing."
    On 43 occasions this season the Morecombe manager has analysed his opposition and came up with a Plan to beat them.  On 33 out of 43 games that planned failed.  

    However, away at little old Charlton he gets it right……. Or did Jackson as usual get it WRONG…. 
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    Davo55 said:
    I've not read all this thread but Lookie pretty much nailed it in the opening post. Just a few points to add:

    1. CBT was brilliant attacking, virtually unplayable, but he's just not good enough defensively. He was caught out badly for their opening goal. Play him in a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3. He will do wonders there.

    2. Stockley scores goals at this level but he is just too slow and lumbering to link the forward play. Stockton is a big fella too but he was way more mobile and thus much more effective.

    3. Dobson had a rare off day. Far too many passes going direct to the opposition.

    None of you would have seen the real highlight of the afternoon. My mate and his wife have just taken in a Ukrainian family, a woman with two boys aged 17 and 7. Thet've been here less than a week. Their Dad is still out in Ukraine, working on delivering aid to people in war torn areas around Kiev. My mate brought the 17 year old to the Valley yesterday. There he was, with his new Charlton scarf, in an unfamiliar country and culture, speaking and understanding very little English, watching good old Charlton (when he's a follower of Dynamo Kiev) get gubbed by the mighty Morecambe. It may have been same old shit to us but it was a magical dose of "normal" life for that lovely young man and for that alone, it was a special afternoon.
    Great story ... hope the lad settles into UK life but can return sooner rather than later.

    I've only seen the last two home games this season as I live elsewhere.  I now agree with many of your comments about the team in general.

    On CBT, I think his attacking ability should be utilised more (both wings) and he should be relinquished of defensive duties.  Their first goals was very good on replay.  Our defence could/should have done better with the through ball but they didn't.  He is our only attacking threat.  

    The final ball into the area is either cut out or too long, rarely do we seem to be challenging for the ball in opposition area.

    Time for a refresh in personnel, approach and direction 


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    paulg1947 said:
    mendonca said:
    Morecambe Gaffer has just ruined next season for us:

    “We knew the gameplan and we had to suss them out – we did that really well. We locked high on to their back three, we dealt with their wing-backs with our full-backs, our midfield players then locked on to their midfield players. It stopped them playing."
    Either a genius or a smart arse .Its the latter for me Showed in the second half
    Yeah he must be gutted with the three points, seeing as he lost the second half
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    Scoham said:
    mendonca said:
    Morecambe Gaffer has just ruined next season for us:

    “We knew the gameplan and we had to suss them out – we did that really well. We locked high on to their back three, we dealt with their wing-backs with our full-backs, our midfield players then locked on to their midfield players. It stopped them playing."
    Jacko got the bounce with his tactics when he took over, but many opposition managers have sussed out how to counter them, hence our results settling down to mid table mediocrity 
    mendonca said:
    Morecambe Gaffer has just ruined next season for us:

    “We knew the gameplan and we had to suss them out – we did that really well. We locked high on to their back three, we dealt with their wing-backs with our full-backs, our midfield players then locked on to their midfield players. It stopped them playing."
    And yet several clubs are fighting for promotion playing three at the back.

    The formation isn’t the issue, it’s the quality and in some cases the attitude of the players.

    Switch to other systems and it won’t be long until the weaknesses in those will be exposed too.
    The point is the lack of tactical flexibility and adjustments DURING the game when it isn't working or needs a change. 

    Once it's clear that they've nullified the tactic, a good manager makes changes. The Morecambe manager is confused that Jackson himself didn't at half time. 
    We ended up scoring twice in the second half without changing things around. Maybe we should’ve started 4-3-3 and switched to 3-5-2 at half time. :-)

    The Morecambe manager can say they ‘nullified’ us but in reality we created 1.5 ish xG in the first half without actually hitting the net while they scored two goals from around 0.7 xG. That’s not them nullifying us, that’s us being wasteful as per.
    They scored their 3rd 6 minutes after we got a goal back. Sounds like they just went back to how they know to attack us and scored again. 
    You say it sounds like they just went back to how they knew & you claim their goal wasn't against the run of play.
    You definitely wasn't watching the game, no matter what you claim.
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    Scoham said:
    mendonca said:
    Morecambe Gaffer has just ruined next season for us:

    “We knew the gameplan and we had to suss them out – we did that really well. We locked high on to their back three, we dealt with their wing-backs with our full-backs, our midfield players then locked on to their midfield players. It stopped them playing."
    Jacko got the bounce with his tactics when he took over, but many opposition managers have sussed out how to counter them, hence our results settling down to mid table mediocrity 
    mendonca said:
    Morecambe Gaffer has just ruined next season for us:

    “We knew the gameplan and we had to suss them out – we did that really well. We locked high on to their back three, we dealt with their wing-backs with our full-backs, our midfield players then locked on to their midfield players. It stopped them playing."
    And yet several clubs are fighting for promotion playing three at the back.

    The formation isn’t the issue, it’s the quality and in some cases the attitude of the players.

    Switch to other systems and it won’t be long until the weaknesses in those will be exposed too.
    The point is the lack of tactical flexibility and adjustments DURING the game when it isn't working or needs a change. 

    Once it's clear that they've nullified the tactic, a good manager makes changes. The Morecambe manager is confused that Jackson himself didn't at half time. 
    We ended up scoring twice in the second half without changing things around. Maybe we should’ve started 4-3-3 and switched to 3-5-2 at half time. :-)

    The Morecambe manager can say they ‘nullified’ us but in reality we created 1.5 ish xG in the first half without actually hitting the net while they scored two goals from around 0.7 xG. That’s not them nullifying us, that’s us being wasteful as per.
    They scored their 3rd 6 minutes after we got a goal back. Sounds like they just went back to how they know to attack us and scored again. 
    You say it sounds like they just went back to how they knew & you claim their goal wasn't against the run of play.
    You definitely wasn't watching the game, no matter what you claim.
    You should know by now, he has a narrative to maintain.
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    mendonca said:
    Morecambe Gaffer has just ruined next season for us:

    “We knew the gameplan and we had to suss them out – we did that really well. We locked high on to their back three, we dealt with their wing-backs with our full-backs, our midfield players then locked on to their midfield players. It stopped them playing."
    On 43 occasions this season the Morecombe manager has analysed his opposition and came up with a Plan to beat them.  On 33 out of 43 games that planned failed.  

    However, away at little old Charlton he gets it right……. Or did Jackson as usual get it WRONG…. 
    I’m pretty sure Derek Adam’s (who got them promoted) only got reappointed in Late Feb / early March so not sure the the first 35 of those can’t really be blamed on him 👍🏼
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    Sorry, I was at the game on Friday, but away since and unable to comment, hence this response is a bit delayed.

    As soon as I heard the starting eleven (particularly Burstow in place of Washington, and Morgan and Gilbey in midfield) I knew we weren't going to win. Jackson got it wrong for some inexplicable reason. I do not understand the point of playing Burstow (unless there is an agreement for him to be loaned back to us again next season). There seems little point playing any loanees unless they are likely to be with us for next year, and that includes Famewo in my opinion.

    It was probably a good game for the neutral, but we are not neutral and I expect better than that performance. We were comfortably beaten by Morecambe! They looked much more of a threat up front than we did. Stockton and Gnahoua were a handful all game and took their goals well, even with the help of some awful defending.

    The third goal was a real kick in the guts just as we were getting back into it - a bad throw from McGillivray to a half asleep Matthews. A terrible goal to give away at any time, but the circumstances made it even worse.
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    People keep saying we shouldn't play loanees, but we'd be even weaker without them.

    JFC and Washington are having their minutes managed, that's why they didn't start. 
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