I can totally understand why he's upset but I don't think the club can reasonably do much else. They didn't give any details that lead to the outing on Twitter, someone just took it completely on themselves to do
Except somebody from the club said he had been arrested, when in fact it appears not to be the case. IMHO that member of staff should be disciplined if he made a false statement.
The game was delayed for almost 10 mins. Of course a statement was going to be put out. Almost 10k were sat around confused. Both the managers were asked the question. What are the club meant to do. Pretend nothing happened.
The game was delayed for almost 10 mins. Of course a statement was going to be put out. Almost 10k were sat around confused. Both the managers were asked the question. What are the club meant to do. Pretend nothing happened.
Don’t say someone was arrested and then do a unturn on it 3 & half hours later. Not sure how someone at either end (Police or Club) can get that wrong. Is the individual in a police custody suite or not?
The game was delayed for almost 10 mins. Of course a statement was going to be put out. Almost 10k were sat around confused. Both the managers were asked the question. What are the club meant to do. Pretend nothing happened.
Issue a statement. Yes
Issue a statement claiming someone has been arrested and in custody when no such thing occurred. No.
I can totally understand why he's upset but I don't think the club can reasonably do much else. They didn't give any details that lead to the outing on Twitter, someone just took it completely on themselves to do
Except somebody from the club said he had been arrested, when in fact it appears not to be the case. IMHO that member of staff should be disciplined if he made a false statement.
Did the club say he had been arrested, or that someone had been arrested?
It’s all a bit odd the amount the club is being blamed for someone else taking a picture and circulating it blaming the wrong person. If the club hadn’t made a statement that picture would have circulated anyway and the same thing would have happened. It’s an unpleasant situation for the bloke but I think there’s a weird amount of animus being by directed at the club based on the internet being arseholes
If you were ejected from a pub/club by a bouncer because a member of staff had mistakenly identified you as someone who had been shouting racial abuse at someone, but later realised via cctv or witness statements that it was not you, it’s too late, your out, your humiliated, your angry and the damage is done. Ultimately the pub/club is responsible, as they hire the staff (swap bouncer for steward) Although the club are not responsible for, and should not apologise for his image being released by someone else on social media, that’s on that person, they do owe him an apology as they are ultimately responsible for their hired staff and their actions, regardless of him being wrongly outed on social media, their staff got it wrong and humiliated him by ejecting him incorrectly.
It’s all a bit odd the amount the club is being blamed for someone else taking a picture and circulating it blaming the wrong person. If the club hadn’t made a statement that picture would have circulated anyway and the same thing would have happened. It’s an unpleasant situation for the bloke but I think there’s a weird amount of animus being by directed at the club based on the internet being arseholes
Agreed. I have every sympathy with what the dude has been through but honestly I really can't see how the club are to blame. It was the keeper who made the false ID, not the club. The club had to make a statement because of the profile and nature of the situation, but literally said nothing other than "a man" - no seat number, block, description, age, nothing.
Some bellend then took it on themselves to dox the poor guy and start the crap on social media but the club can't be blamed for that.
I don’t think the club need to make a public apology, that’s maybe too much.
But they should be taking the matter much more seriously than they have.
A senior member of management should have called him and followed up in writing and a gesture should have been made.
To turn a negative to a positive the club could have used this a moment to show they care about the fans and our welfare
I disagree. I believe it was the club's security that erroneously hooked the bloke and handed him over to the old bill. Thankfully the police actually appear to have got something right for once. So, it is the club that put him into this position.
They need to make a public apology. Not only for the benefit of the victim. But also as a reassurance for the rest of us before we buy season tickets: that we won't all suffer from such random accusations next year.
On a totally separate matter, is Tony Keohane still at the club?
(An apology from the idiot keeper wouldn't go amiss either.)
The referee has the power to remove anyone from the ground. Like a player whether you have done the offence or not once the ref says off you need to go. At this point the club were really slow with their stewards in reacting to this.
The referee has the power to remove anyone from the ground. Like a player whether you have done the offence or not once the ref says off you need to go. At this point the club were really slow with their stewards in reacting to this.
If the referee refused to restart the game until he was removed, I don't see what else the club were supposed to do.
I don’t think that him being ejected is the only issue of course he’s embarrassed to have been wrongly accused of being a racist …but the issue with the club is they put out the false statement saying he’d been arrested that upped the interest level then some idiot posted a picture of him.
I believe he wants a apology from the club for the printing of incorrect information that has damaged his reputation.
The referee has the power to remove anyone from the ground. Like a player whether you have done the offence or not once the ref says off you need to go. At this point the club were really slow with their stewards in reacting to this.
So does anyone (without going into explicit detail) have any insight into what non-racist discrimination consists of to be worthy of arrest?
Based on nationality, rather than race?
Is that an arrestible offence? Genuine question.
Descrimination still.
Yeah just checked the CPS website and calling someone for their nationality is in there in the football chant section
so if somebody called me English that would be classed as discrimination? or does it have to have a derogative term afterwards? adding the word tosser after the word English for example?
Has to be threatening or abusive based on race, colour, nationality or national origin. So yeah I'd guess you'd need a derogative term in there to make it an offence
I bet that happens alot in other leagues especially in the UK.
Yeah, I've heard plenty of "welsh/scottish/Irish xxxx" over the years, which under that law would see you arrested. I wonder how many are aware that's actually an offence?
Indeed.
to be fair, I'm pretty sure we've all heard similar 'racism' against the English from Welsh and Scots so lets not label this an English thing. My best friend moved away from Wales because of racism (not called that then) she suffered constantly in her early twenties. This sort of thing twenty years ago wouldn't be considered racism and I think that's why many don't realise its now an offence. Most ppl think of racism as white against black or black against white. People need to get used to the modern world we live in whether you agree with it or not.
I met this sort of thing in North Wales a lot. Went I to a working man's club one Sunday and ordered our beers . Immediately everyone stopped talking in English and started to talk in Welsh (I assume) . Ignorant bunch.
So it is not just on this message board you are unpopular then.
If the referee refused to restart the game until he was removed, I don't see what else the club were supposed to do.
I don’t think that him being ejected is the only issue of course he’s embarrassed to have been wrongly accused of being a racist …but the issue with the club is they put out the false statement saying he’d been arrested that upped the interest level then some idiot posted a picture of him.
I believe he wants a apology from the club for the printing of incorrect information that has damaged his reputation.
99.99% of people have forgotten about it to get on with their lives. This guy seems intent on making something out of it. I don’t really see what the club did wrong - it’s the person who put it on social media who is in the wrong. until he started going off on Twitter I had no idea who he was and can’t say I cared but his insistence on getting an apology is what’s keeping it on the public eye! He had had a call from the head of communication who has apologised for what happened but now that apparently isn’t enough.
If the referee refused to restart the game until he was removed, I don't see what else the club were supposed to do.
I don’t think that him being ejected is the only issue of course he’s embarrassed to have been wrongly accused of being a racist …but the issue with the club is they put out the false statement saying he’d been arrested that upped the interest level then some idiot posted a picture of him.
I believe he wants a apology from the club for the printing of incorrect information that has damaged his reputation.
99.99% of people have forgotten about it to get on with their lives. This guy seems intent on making something out of it. I don’t really see what the club did wrong - it’s the person who put it on social media who is in the wrong. until he started going off on Twitter I had no idea who he was and can’t say I cared but his insistence on getting an apology is what’s keeping it on the public eye! He had had a call from the head of communication who has apologised for what happened but now that apparently isn’t enough.
Where does it stop?
Thomas made a rod for his own back last season @ the Wimbledon away game when he had to apologise to that bloke on CharltonTV for some small issue... Even when it was mentioned that the bloke in question had been abusive to staff themselves.
Different case here (obviously) - But if fans feel aggrieved now, they're obviously going to want more than just a meak apology from a functionary at the club.
If the referee refused to restart the game until he was removed, I don't see what else the club were supposed to do.
I don’t think that him being ejected is the only issue of course he’s embarrassed to have been wrongly accused of being a racist …but the issue with the club is they put out the false statement saying he’d been arrested that upped the interest level then some idiot posted a picture of him.
I believe he wants a apology from the club for the printing of incorrect information that has damaged his reputation.
99.99% of people have forgotten about it to get on with their lives. This guy seems intent on making something out of it. I don’t really see what the club did wrong - it’s the person who put it on social media who is in the wrong. until he started going off on Twitter I had no idea who he was and can’t say I cared but his insistence on getting an apology is what’s keeping it on the public eye! He had had a call from the head of communication who has apologised for what happened but now that apparently isn’t enough.
Where does it stop?
This. He’s saying he’s worried about his reputation, which is fair enough given that’s he’s been wrongly accused of racism, but if he stopped plastering the saga all over Twitter it would be forgotten about by tea time tomorrow.
I don’t know the guy, so to me he’s the guy who got wrongly accused of racism, not the guy who was racist, in other words it’s done, so I’m not sure what tweeting about it every day and drawing attention is supposed to achieve.
So does anyone (without going into explicit detail) have any insight into what non-racist discrimination consists of to be worthy of arrest?
Based on nationality, rather than race?
Is that an arrestible offence? Genuine question.
Descrimination still.
Yeah just checked the CPS website and calling someone for their nationality is in there in the football chant section
so if somebody called me English that would be classed as discrimination? or does it have to have a derogative term afterwards? adding the word tosser after the word English for example?
Has to be threatening or abusive based on race, colour, nationality or national origin. So yeah I'd guess you'd need a derogative term in there to make it an offence
I bet that happens alot in other leagues especially in the UK.
Yeah, I've heard plenty of "welsh/scottish/Irish xxxx" over the years, which under that law would see you arrested. I wonder how many are aware that's actually an offence?
Indeed.
to be fair, I'm pretty sure we've all heard similar 'racism' against the English from Welsh and Scots so lets not label this an English thing. My best friend moved away from Wales because of racism (not called that then) she suffered constantly in her early twenties. This sort of thing twenty years ago wouldn't be considered racism and I think that's why many don't realise its now an offence. Most ppl think of racism as white against black or black against white. People need to get used to the modern world we live in whether you agree with it or not.
I met this sort of thing in North Wales a lot. Went I to a working man's club one Sunday and ordered our beers . Immediately everyone stopped talking in English and started to talk in Welsh (I assume) . Ignorant bunch.
So it is not just on this message board you are unpopular then.
blame twitter, it’s a shit stain on society just like facemeta.combook and that other one with the dancing and people dying all over the shop trying to juggle petrol with a candle on their head or jumping the Grand Canyon on an electric roller skate.
The social media world* is an oxymoron. It’s anti social. It attracts the sort people waiting to be angered or outraged with a level of stupidity that does raise serious doubts about the level of humanity’s gene pool.
then blame the guy who thought outing the wrongly accused was the thing to do, why isn’t that criminal or actionable, liable is?
then blame the shits that posted crap at this innocent guy without any facts - just outrage and anger all bottled up sitting behind their keyboards - disgraceful
then blame the actual racist and the people around him that watched the wrong guy get ejected and didn’t identify this arsehole
then blame the stewards and the coppers, mrs hall from 41 high street and anyone else in the interweb sphere.
If the referee refused to restart the game until he was removed, I don't see what else the club were supposed to do.
I don’t think that him being ejected is the only issue of course he’s embarrassed to have been wrongly accused of being a racist …but the issue with the club is they put out the false statement saying he’d been arrested that upped the interest level then some idiot posted a picture of him.
I believe he wants a apology from the club for the printing of incorrect information that has damaged his reputation.
99.99% of people have forgotten about it to get on with their lives. This guy seems intent on making something out of it. I don’t really see what the club did wrong - it’s the person who put it on social media who is in the wrong. until he started going off on Twitter I had no idea who he was and can’t say I cared but his insistence on getting an apology is what’s keeping it on the public eye! He had had a call from the head of communication who has apologised for what happened but now that apparently isn’t enough.
Where does it stop?
Very easy statement and approach to take when it’s not you it involves
If the referee refused to restart the game until he was removed, I don't see what else the club were supposed to do.
I don’t think that him being ejected is the only issue of course he’s embarrassed to have been wrongly accused of being a racist …but the issue with the club is they put out the false statement saying he’d been arrested that upped the interest level then some idiot posted a picture of him.
I believe he wants a apology from the club for the printing of incorrect information that has damaged his reputation.
99.99% of people have forgotten about it to get on with their lives. This guy seems intent on making something out of it. I don’t really see what the club did wrong - it’s the person who put it on social media who is in the wrong. until he started going off on Twitter I had no idea who he was and can’t say I cared but his insistence on getting an apology is what’s keeping it on the public eye! He had had a call from the head of communication who has apologised for what happened but now that apparently isn’t enough.
Where does it stop?
Very easy statement and approach to take when it’s not you it involves
What’s the damage then? Has he lost his job? Has he lost friends? His season ticket? I mean if he has it’s a disgrace and im with the poor the guy, but like I said earlier no one thinks he’s racist, everyone thinks he’s the guy who got wrongly accused of it, so what damage has been done?
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IMHO that member of staff should be disciplined if he made a false statement.
Issue a statement claiming someone has been arrested and in custody when no such thing occurred. No.
But they should be taking the matter much more seriously than they have.
A senior member of management should have called him and followed up in writing and a gesture should have been made.
Ultimately the pub/club is responsible, as they hire the staff (swap bouncer for steward)
Although the club are not responsible for, and should not apologise for his image being released by someone else on social media, that’s on that person, they do owe him an apology as they are ultimately responsible for their hired staff and their actions, regardless of him being wrongly outed on social media, their staff got it wrong and humiliated him by ejecting him incorrectly.
Some bellend then took it on themselves to dox the poor guy and start the crap on social media but the club can't be blamed for that.
They need to make a public apology. Not only for the benefit of the victim. But also as a reassurance for the rest of us before we buy season tickets: that we won't all suffer from such random accusations next year.
On a totally separate matter, is Tony Keohane still at the club?
(An apology from the idiot keeper wouldn't go amiss either.)
I believe he wants a apology from the club for the printing of incorrect information that has damaged his reputation.
I don’t really see what the club did wrong - it’s the person who put it on social media who is in the wrong.
until he started going off on Twitter I had no idea who he was and can’t say I cared but his insistence on getting an apology is what’s keeping it on the public eye! He had had a call from the head of communication who has apologised for what happened but now that apparently isn’t enough.
Different case here (obviously) - But if fans feel aggrieved now, they're obviously going to want more than just a meak apology from a functionary at the club.
wedi dweud yn ddathen blame the guy who thought outing the wrongly accused was the thing to do, why isn’t that criminal or actionable, liable is?
then blame the shits that posted crap at this innocent guy without any facts - just outrage and anger all bottled up sitting behind their keyboards - disgraceful
then blame the actual racist and the people around him that watched the wrong guy get ejected and didn’t identify this arsehole
then blame the stewards and the coppers, mrs hall from 41 high street and anyone else in the interweb sphere.
*he said without irony on social media
Has he lost his job? Has he lost friends? His season ticket? I mean if he has it’s a disgrace and im with the poor the guy, but like I said earlier no one thinks he’s racist, everyone thinks he’s the guy who got wrongly accused of it, so what damage has been done?