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Club Statement on Discriminatory Abuse
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Not imo mate. He says that if your English and called a xxxx it doesn’t impact. Then goes on to say that prejudice based on nationality is as bad as any other form. The two statements contradict each other. I assume that he has badly worded the first statement as I think the second statement outweighs the first.Henry Irving said:
Aren't you actually backing up what Cloudworm is saying IE it cuts deeper when you in the minority. He's not saying, as I read it, that that makes it OK as he goes on the say.stop_shouting said:
I agree. It’s complete double standards and his argument is dismissed immediately. There are numerous areas in England where English people will be in the minority. By his theory, being called an English xxxx in these areas is ok and doesn’t have any impact. Absolute nonsense.Off_it said:
You see that's where, in my view, this type of argument falls down.Cloudworm said:When you live as a minority, it’s different. If you’re called an English xxxx in England, it doesn’t really impact. When you’re the only one, or one of a few, it cuts a bit deeper. For me, prejudice based on nationality is as bad as any other form. Anything we don’t choose, shouldn’t be used as a stick to beat us with.
You cant say theres one rule for one and another rule for another. It's not equitable. It's either wrong to mention someones nationality or it's not.
Saying it's alright to be called an "English xxxx" in England, presumably by someone who's not English, is absolute bullshit. You either shouldn't bring nationality into it or else surely every nationality is fair game?
"For me, prejudice based on nationality is as bad as any other form. Anything we don’t choose, shouldn’t be used as a stick to beat us with."
I'm not sure what we do choose should be a stick either but that's another debate.0 -
Obvious from the nature of the thread that it would be.Siv_in_Norfolk said:Why is this discussion being derailed in this way?0 -
Wow, I’ve been punched in the face, it won’t be alright until someone else is punched in the face as well, as long as it’s not as hard as I was punched, as your punch is more acceptable as I’ve been punched more times than you.
wrong is wrong, there is no nuance or historical reasons why one should be treated differently, ever, or injustice and racism will never be treated as the social pariah it should be.If you discriminate against race, skin or culture, your wrong, nothing to do with who holds the power or deemed to be more worthy of sympathy than the other.A few on here tying themselves in knots on this thread.20 -
Did not see this thread, posted this on Post match thread... Would happily identify him
Sat N lower behind the goal, second row for the Morecambe game. There was a guy to my left, one or two rows back. He kept going out to the steps, abusing the keeper. My gf brought his anti social behaviour to my attention. H e also had a son with him about 11 or 12 yo. He actually thought he was really funny, turning around looking at our fans with a big grin on his face.
Wished I had reported him, or better still given him a slap...
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Sounds like the same fella...KingKinsella said:
Time for her to talk to the clubRonnieMoore said:
I know a female supporter who sits here by and says it’s a father and son who basically are vile individuals and basically been getting away with comments all season .. …soapboxsam said:Marko Marosi is a Slovak; why do I believe that some/one of the moronic fans who follow Cafc believe that is in Russia ?
Some of the shit that comes from the mouths of our critics/fans is amazing and that's aimed at Charlton players let alone the away team.
I don't believe anyone who goes to work should be abused; including Footballers. Boo if you must but for a keeper to inform a ref of being sworn at by a fan who I would imagined kept doing it and mentioned his country as well ( or what the moron thought was his Country) then pleased that it was dealt with. "Only a bit of banter" said potty mouth fan when up before the break.
Can anyone who was in earshot confirm what was said ?
Put the words in speech marks !
We won't shoot the messenger.0 -
This is exhausting.1
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We Do NOT want Racism or nasty Behaviour towards anyone at our lovely club.
whoever this Scumbag was he was also proper brain dead pondlife if he thinks the Shrewsbury Goalkeeper was Russian as he is Not.
and even if he was, racist behaviour of totally out of order and the Scumbag in question should be Banned for life.
horrible and disrespectful Crap Hound !!!!1 -
This is an issue receiving attention because everyone at the game saw something.
The nature of what we saw is being discussed and the wider implications.
It can hardly be ignored.0 -
If only the keeper had texted 64446, none of us would’ve known about it.18
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I think it’s simply bang out of order.SoundAsa£ said:
It’s a can of worms I reckon. 🤔Stu_of_Kunming said:
Would calling a Bangladeshi a smelly Indian be ok?SoundAsa£ said:
In which case (as I see it), the person who shouted the comment with a Russian **** insult, cannot possibly be accused of making a racist comment as Marosi is Slavik, NOT Russian.ValleyGary said:The guys Slovakian for a start….
However, if he had call him a Slovenian **** that would, I assume, have been a racial slur.
Am I right…..all he’s done is used foul language as far as I can see? 🧐3 -
Yes, falls within the legal definition of racial discrimination.Croydon said:
Is that an arrestible offence? Genuine question.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Based on nationality, rather than race?AFKABartram said:So does anyone (without going into explicit detail) have any insight into what non-racist discrimination consists of to be worthy of arrest?3 -
Two comments in the broader picture of events:
1- If the game was being suspended for whatever reason, as has been stated, should there not have been a PA announcement to advise the crowd?
2- Having been in the media room after the match, can confirm that Jacko said little on the matter other than to tell us in broad terms what the ref had told him, this in response to a 'what was it about?' question from two journos, and there was no comment from Cotterell as he didn't come into the media room, we were given a 'hearsay' version of his comment to pitchside press.0 -
I was given a full transcription of what he said to the local Shrewsbury reporterchilham said:Two comments in the broader picture of events:
1- If the game was being suspended for whatever reason, as has been stated, should there not have been a PA announcement to advise the crowd?
2- Having been in the media room after the match, can confirm that Jacko said little on the matter other than to tell us in broad terms what the ref had told him, this in response to a 'what was it about?' question from two journos, and there was no comment from Cotterell as he didn't come into the media room, we were given a 'hearsay' version of his comment to pitchside press.3 -
Thanks for the clarification, Louis.LouisMend said:
I was given a full transcription of what he said to the local Shrewsbury reporterchilham said:Two comments in the broader picture of events:
1- If the game was being suspended for whatever reason, as has been stated, should there not have been a PA announcement to advise the crowd?
2- Having been in the media room after the match, can confirm that Jacko said little on the matter other than to tell us in broad terms what the ref had told him, this in response to a 'what was it about?' question from two journos, and there was no comment from Cotterell as he didn't come into the media room, we were given a 'hearsay' version of his comment to pitchside press.1 -
You wished you had responded with violence?Redhenry said:Did not see this thread, posted this on Post match thread... Would happily identify him
Sat N lower behind the goal, second row for the Morecambe game. There was a guy to my left, one or two rows back. He kept going out to the steps, abusing the keeper. My gf brought his anti social behaviour to my attention. H e also had a son with him about 11 or 12 yo. He actually thought he was really funny, turning around looking at our fans with a big grin on his face.
Wished I had reported him, or better still given him a slap...Spooky.2 -
to be fair, I'm pretty sure we've all heard similar 'racism' against the English from Welsh and Scots so lets not label this an English thing. My best friend moved away from Wales because of racism (not called that then) she suffered constantly in her early twenties. This sort of thing twenty years ago wouldn't be considered racism and I think that's why many don't realise its now an offence. Most ppl think of racism as white against black or black against white. People need to get used to the modern world we live in whether you agree with it or not.cfgs said:
Indeed.Croydon said:
Yeah, I've heard plenty of "welsh/scottish/Irish xxxx" over the years, which under that law would see you arrested. I wonder how many are aware that's actually an offence?cfgs said:
I bet that happens alot in other leagues especially in the UK.Croydon said:
Has to be threatening or abusive based on race, colour, nationality or national origin. So yeah I'd guess you'd need a derogative term in there to make it an offenceKarim_myBagheri said:
so if somebody called me English that would be classed as discrimination? or does it have to have a derogative term afterwards? adding the word tosser after the word English for example?Croydon said:
Yeah just checked the CPS website and calling someone for their nationality is in there in the football chant sectionDazzler21 said:
Descrimination still.Croydon said:
Is that an arrestible offence? Genuine question.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Based on nationality, rather than race?AFKABartram said:So does anyone (without going into explicit detail) have any insight into what non-racist discrimination consists of to be worthy of arrest?1 -
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Is accepting the apology and good will gesture too much to ask?Scoham said:17 -
Seems to be a group of fans on Twitter who want a public apology from the club.1
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Two free season tickets for next season would be a goodwill dance of contrition, not merely a gesture.1
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Sounds like extra punishment for the poor bloke!seth plum said:Two free season tickets for next season would be a goodwill dance of contrition, not merely a gesture.8 -
what apology is he looking for? Being wrongly IDed by the keeper? someone not being the club on twitter claiming it was him?12
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Jog on don't have time for flannels.Rothko said:what apology is he looking for? Being wrongly IDed by the keeper? someone not being the club on twitter claiming it was him?37 -
Here’s his view of what happenedRothko said:what apology is he looking for? Being wrongly IDed by the keeper? someone not being the club on twitter claiming it was him?
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I can totally understand why he's upset but I don't think the club can reasonably do much else.
They didn't give any details that lead to the outing on Twitter, someone just took it completely on themselves to do14
