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As has been said - what negative outcome is there? Most people don’t really care in the grand scheme of things and the only person keeping this in the public eye is Nic himself. if anything he’ll be better known for being a turd that won’t flush than the original incident (that was caused by another fan and NOT the club)DA9 said:
Very easy statement and approach to take when it’s not you it involvesSwisdom said:
99.99% of people have forgotten about it to get on with their lives. This guy seems intent on making something out of it.Maccn05 said:
I don’t think that him being ejected is the only issue of course he’s embarrassed to have been wrongly accused of being a racist …but the issue with the club is they put out the false statement saying he’d been arrested that upped the interest level then some idiot posted a picture of him.Chunes said:If the referee refused to restart the game until he was removed, I don't see what else the club were supposed to do.
I believe he wants a apology from the club for the printing of incorrect information that has damaged his reputation.
I don’t really see what the club did wrong - it’s the person who put it on social media who is in the wrong.
until he started going off on Twitter I had no idea who he was and can’t say I cared but his insistence on getting an apology is what’s keeping it on the public eye! He had had a call from the head of communication who has apologised for what happened but now that apparently isn’t enough.Where does it stop?
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The negative is being ejected from the ground for a start.
That was a (wrong) decision taken by somebody somewhere.
Surely whatever followed flowed from the ejection?
As I said yesterday, two free season tickets for next season might smooth things over, even help on the level of somebody saying ‘if I was a wrong ‘un, which I wasn’t, how come the club gave me two free season tickets then?!!’.
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Mud sticks, reputation, Chinese whispers, with your professional links to the club would you be as happy to be the person incorrectly identified, ejected and humiliated in front of your son and others around you at the time, would you dismiss it as a simple error and move on?Swisdom said:
As has been said - what negative outcome is there? Most people don’t really care in the grand scheme of things and the only person keeping this in the public eye is Nic himself. if anything he’ll be better known for being a turd that won’t flush than the original incident (that was caused by another fan and NOT the club)DA9 said:
Very easy statement and approach to take when it’s not you it involvesSwisdom said:
99.99% of people have forgotten about it to get on with their lives. This guy seems intent on making something out of it.Maccn05 said:
I don’t think that him being ejected is the only issue of course he’s embarrassed to have been wrongly accused of being a racist …but the issue with the club is they put out the false statement saying he’d been arrested that upped the interest level then some idiot posted a picture of him.Chunes said:If the referee refused to restart the game until he was removed, I don't see what else the club were supposed to do.
I believe he wants a apology from the club for the printing of incorrect information that has damaged his reputation.
I don’t really see what the club did wrong - it’s the person who put it on social media who is in the wrong.
until he started going off on Twitter I had no idea who he was and can’t say I cared but his insistence on getting an apology is what’s keeping it on the public eye! He had had a call from the head of communication who has apologised for what happened but now that apparently isn’t enough.Where does it stop?
Staff paid by the club made the decision to remove him, they are responsible for that error, we don’t know what was said by TR to him, but clearly Nic was unhappy with it and has stated he felt he was treated with a blasé attitude.3 -
I’m not happy to live in a world where people can be accused of racism or any other ‘ism, only for it to all be ok and told to move on because it’s not true, sorry we made an error, please shut up about our mistake, they owe him a full apology to his satisfaction whether privately or public.BR7_addick said:
What’s the damage then?DA9 said:
Very easy statement and approach to take when it’s not you it involvesSwisdom said:
99.99% of people have forgotten about it to get on with their lives. This guy seems intent on making something out of it.Maccn05 said:
I don’t think that him being ejected is the only issue of course he’s embarrassed to have been wrongly accused of being a racist …but the issue with the club is they put out the false statement saying he’d been arrested that upped the interest level then some idiot posted a picture of him.Chunes said:If the referee refused to restart the game until he was removed, I don't see what else the club were supposed to do.
I believe he wants a apology from the club for the printing of incorrect information that has damaged his reputation.
I don’t really see what the club did wrong - it’s the person who put it on social media who is in the wrong.
until he started going off on Twitter I had no idea who he was and can’t say I cared but his insistence on getting an apology is what’s keeping it on the public eye! He had had a call from the head of communication who has apologised for what happened but now that apparently isn’t enough.Where does it stop?
Has he lost his job? Has he lost friends? His season ticket? I mean if he has it’s a disgrace and im with the poor the guy, but like I said earlier no one thinks he’s racist, everyone thinks he’s the guy who got wrongly accused of it, so what damage has been done?4 -
I’d agree if they named and shamed him incorrectly. They didn’t, they said someone was arrested, then said no one was arrested. Like I said what damage has been done??DA9 said:
I’m not happy to live in a world where people can be accused of racism or any other ‘ism, only for it to all be ok and told to move on because it’s not true, sorry we made an error, please shut up about our mistake, they owe him a full apology to his satisfaction whether privately or public.BR7_addick said:
What’s the damage then?DA9 said:
Very easy statement and approach to take when it’s not you it involvesSwisdom said:
99.99% of people have forgotten about it to get on with their lives. This guy seems intent on making something out of it.Maccn05 said:
I don’t think that him being ejected is the only issue of course he’s embarrassed to have been wrongly accused of being a racist …but the issue with the club is they put out the false statement saying he’d been arrested that upped the interest level then some idiot posted a picture of him.Chunes said:If the referee refused to restart the game until he was removed, I don't see what else the club were supposed to do.
I believe he wants a apology from the club for the printing of incorrect information that has damaged his reputation.
I don’t really see what the club did wrong - it’s the person who put it on social media who is in the wrong.
until he started going off on Twitter I had no idea who he was and can’t say I cared but his insistence on getting an apology is what’s keeping it on the public eye! He had had a call from the head of communication who has apologised for what happened but now that apparently isn’t enough.Where does it stop?
Has he lost his job? Has he lost friends? His season ticket? I mean if he has it’s a disgrace and im with the poor the guy, but like I said earlier no one thinks he’s racist, everyone thinks he’s the guy who got wrongly accused of it, so what damage has been done?7 -
The embarrassment of being turfed out in front of thousands of people. The social media abuse he got won't be easy to just forget.BR7_addick said:
I’d agree if they named and shamed him incorrectly. They didn’t, they said someone was arrested, then said no one was arrested. Like I said what damage has been done??DA9 said:
I’m not happy to live in a world where people can be accused of racism or any other ‘ism, only for it to all be ok and told to move on because it’s not true, sorry we made an error, please shut up about our mistake, they owe him a full apology to his satisfaction whether privately or public.BR7_addick said:
What’s the damage then?DA9 said:
Very easy statement and approach to take when it’s not you it involvesSwisdom said:
99.99% of people have forgotten about it to get on with their lives. This guy seems intent on making something out of it.Maccn05 said:
I don’t think that him being ejected is the only issue of course he’s embarrassed to have been wrongly accused of being a racist …but the issue with the club is they put out the false statement saying he’d been arrested that upped the interest level then some idiot posted a picture of him.Chunes said:If the referee refused to restart the game until he was removed, I don't see what else the club were supposed to do.
I believe he wants a apology from the club for the printing of incorrect information that has damaged his reputation.
I don’t really see what the club did wrong - it’s the person who put it on social media who is in the wrong.
until he started going off on Twitter I had no idea who he was and can’t say I cared but his insistence on getting an apology is what’s keeping it on the public eye! He had had a call from the head of communication who has apologised for what happened but now that apparently isn’t enough.Where does it stop?
Has he lost his job? Has he lost friends? His season ticket? I mean if he has it’s a disgrace and im with the poor the guy, but like I said earlier no one thinks he’s racist, everyone thinks he’s the guy who got wrongly accused of it, so what damage has been done?
An apology from the goalkeeper who wrongly accused him wouldn't go amiss either.6 -
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Okay, that’s reasonable I guess, I’m not trying to argue with anyone here by the way just wondering what more he thinks should be done, if it was me I’d want it forgotten because I don’t think the club is as fault personally, but each to their own.Baldybonce said:
The embarrassment of being turfed out in front of thousands of people. The social media abuse he got won't be easy to just forget.BR7_addick said:
I’d agree if they named and shamed him incorrectly. They didn’t, they said someone was arrested, then said no one was arrested. Like I said what damage has been done??DA9 said:
I’m not happy to live in a world where people can be accused of racism or any other ‘ism, only for it to all be ok and told to move on because it’s not true, sorry we made an error, please shut up about our mistake, they owe him a full apology to his satisfaction whether privately or public.BR7_addick said:
What’s the damage then?DA9 said:
Very easy statement and approach to take when it’s not you it involvesSwisdom said:
99.99% of people have forgotten about it to get on with their lives. This guy seems intent on making something out of it.Maccn05 said:
I don’t think that him being ejected is the only issue of course he’s embarrassed to have been wrongly accused of being a racist …but the issue with the club is they put out the false statement saying he’d been arrested that upped the interest level then some idiot posted a picture of him.Chunes said:If the referee refused to restart the game until he was removed, I don't see what else the club were supposed to do.
I believe he wants a apology from the club for the printing of incorrect information that has damaged his reputation.
I don’t really see what the club did wrong - it’s the person who put it on social media who is in the wrong.
until he started going off on Twitter I had no idea who he was and can’t say I cared but his insistence on getting an apology is what’s keeping it on the public eye! He had had a call from the head of communication who has apologised for what happened but now that apparently isn’t enough.Where does it stop?
Has he lost his job? Has he lost friends? His season ticket? I mean if he has it’s a disgrace and im with the poor the guy, but like I said earlier no one thinks he’s racist, everyone thinks he’s the guy who got wrongly accused of it, so what damage has been done?
An apology from the goalkeeper who wrongly accused him wouldn't go amiss either.1 -
If the keeper identified him as giving racist abuse, the club have to act on that. Otherwise anyone could just say whatever they wanted and face no consequences just because they say "nope, wasn't me." They acted on what they were told.
As soon as it came clear that they had the wrong person, there should have been an apology and maybe some appropriate gesture, which by all accounts TR has done.
And that's it. That's literally it. The club got it wrong yes but acknowledged that, it can't be undone but they acted on false information from the keeper, which they didn't know at the time.
All of the social media shit is NOTHING to do with the club. They did say someone was removed, because someone was, and because they have to make a statement in such cases anyway. But they did or said nothing to identify the person in question.
Like I say, I do sympathise with the guy. But his beef is with the dickhead who doxxed him, not the club.9 -
I don't know how the keeper could be expected to be 100% sure who was abusing him, seeing as he had his back to the crowd and should have been concentrating on the pitch in front of him.
Everyone would have been better served if he'd waited until after the game, then taken it to his manager.
His manager could then have taken it to the Ref who in turn could have informed the Football League who could have worked with Charlton to identify and punish the true offender.
We are going down an impossible path if games get stopped for 10 minutes every time a player receives abuse from the crowd.4 - Sponsored links:
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You see that's where, in my view, this type of argument falls down.Cloudworm said:When you live as a minority, it’s different. If you’re called an English xxxx in England, it doesn’t really impact. When you’re the only one, or one of a few, it cuts a bit deeper. For me, prejudice based on nationality is as bad as any other form. Anything we don’t choose, shouldn’t be used as a stick to beat us with.
You cant say theres one rule for one and another rule for another. It's not equitable. It's either wrong to mention someones nationality or it's not.
Saying it's alright to be called an "English xxxx" in England, presumably by someone who's not English, is absolute bullshit. You either shouldn't bring nationality into it or else surely every nationality is fair game?
Exactly the point I was making. Thanks.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
I didn't read it as Cloudworm saying it was in any way OK- in any situation.Off_it said:
You see that's where, in my view, this type of argument falls down.Cloudworm said:When you live as a minority, it’s different. If you’re called an English xxxx in England, it doesn’t really impact. When you’re the only one, or one of a few, it cuts a bit deeper. For me, prejudice based on nationality is as bad as any other form. Anything we don’t choose, shouldn’t be used as a stick to beat us with.
You cant say theres one rule for one and another rule for another. It's not equitable. It's either wrong to mention someones nationality or it's not.
Saying it's alright to be called an "English xxxx" in England, presumably by someone who's not English, is absolute bullshit. You either shouldn't bring nationality into it or else surely every nationality is fair game?
The point seemed to be that while an English person in England may feel like it's no big deal to be called an English **** in England and so feel there is no big deal re: this issue, the feeling is different when you are in a minority.
When I've lived abroad, I would have felt it if somebody had involved my nationality as part of an insult against me. As such, I can empathise with minorities living here who then have their nationalities used against them. It's prejudice and discrimination and its not OK.
What's curious to me is why there are people here - and elsewhere - who wish to defend such comments. Why is that?1 -
The point was really a response to people questioning the validity of the goalkeeper’s reaction. I was thinking of the victim’s perspective. I’m not saying it’s ok to do it in any context. I’m just pointing out that when you’re on the receiving end of such abuse, context does affect how you feel about it. When you’re in the minority, it feels worse.stop_shouting said:
Not imo mate. He says that if your English and called a xxxx it doesn’t impact. Then goes on to say that prejudice based on nationality is as bad as any other form. The two statements contradict each other. I assume that he has badly worded the first statement as I think the second statement outweighs the first.Henry Irving said:
Aren't you actually backing up what Cloudworm is saying IE it cuts deeper when you in the minority. He's not saying, as I read it, that that makes it OK as he goes on the say.stop_shouting said:
I agree. It’s complete double standards and his argument is dismissed immediately. There are numerous areas in England where English people will be in the minority. By his theory, being called an English xxxx in these areas is ok and doesn’t have any impact. Absolute nonsense.Off_it said:
You see that's where, in my view, this type of argument falls down.Cloudworm said:When you live as a minority, it’s different. If you’re called an English xxxx in England, it doesn’t really impact. When you’re the only one, or one of a few, it cuts a bit deeper. For me, prejudice based on nationality is as bad as any other form. Anything we don’t choose, shouldn’t be used as a stick to beat us with.
You cant say theres one rule for one and another rule for another. It's not equitable. It's either wrong to mention someones nationality or it's not.
Saying it's alright to be called an "English xxxx" in England, presumably by someone who's not English, is absolute bullshit. You either shouldn't bring nationality into it or else surely every nationality is fair game?
"For me, prejudice based on nationality is as bad as any other form. Anything we don’t choose, shouldn’t be used as a stick to beat us with."
I'm not sure what we do choose should be a stick either but that's another debate.0 -
Surely a person is only ‘English’ if for whatever reason they choose to call themselves ‘English’.
Babies are not born with ‘made in England’ stamped on their bum.2 -
It is what you make it. For example I have an account just for following news and info about pro cycling. I also have an account for Jimmy Seed’s sister Minnie, and have had learned some useful info about her through the account. Never see anything unpleasant on either account. Hopefully never will.RoanRedNY said:blame twitter, it’s a shit stain on society just like facemeta.combook and that other one with the dancing and people dying all over the shop trying to juggle petrol with a candle on their head or jumping the Grand Canyon on an electric roller skate.The social media world* is an oxymoron. It’s anti social. It attracts the sort people waiting to be angered or outraged with a level of stupidity that does raise serious doubts about the level of humanity’s gene pool.
then blame the guy who thought outing the wrongly accused was the thing to do, why isn’t that criminal or actionable, liable is?
then blame the shits that posted crap at this innocent guy without any facts - just outrage and anger all bottled up sitting behind their keyboards - disgraceful
then blame the actual racist and the people around him that watched the wrong guy get ejected and didn’t identify this arsehole
then blame the stewards and the coppers, mrs hall from 41 high street and anyone else in the interweb sphere.Oh and don’t forget to blame the club
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I wasn't there and I'm pretty sure I know who did it. Anyway I'm off to the Alan Curbishley next season. You never know when a goalie's gonna flout the union and point the finger at you
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Someone born and raised in England, speaking English, is very unlikely to consider themselves as something other than English. Certainly the chances are higher than our hypothetical baby one day waking up and deciding he is French.seth plum said:Surely a person is only ‘English’ if for whatever reason they choose to call themselves ‘English’.
Babies are not born with ‘made in England’ stamped on their bum.
Obviously it is possible that if our hypothetical child is raised by parents from another culture he could identify with that as well.0 -
You have a point, and what I like about it is the term ‘consider themselves’.thenewbie said:
Someone born and raised in England, speaking English, is very unlikely to consider themselves as something other than English. Certainly the chances are higher than our hypothetical baby one day waking up and deciding he is French.seth plum said:Surely a person is only ‘English’ if for whatever reason they choose to call themselves ‘English’.
Babies are not born with ‘made in England’ stamped on their bum.
Obviously it is possible that if our hypothetical child is raised by parents from another culture he could identify with that as well.
I had the experience you describe at the start of your post, but don’t consider myself to be English.
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There's always the 'British' option. Personally, I prefer English by a small margin, but it's all a much of a muchness. Try putting something else on official forms and see how far it gets you. The powers that be like is to Identify within a very limited strata. My failures at being recognised as a European, Citizen of the World and Essex Boy are testament to that.4
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When a hate speech type incident has been brought to the referee's attention and they stop the game, they are not allowed to restart the game until the stadium manager/responsible official has been informed of the alleged transgression.Chunes said:If the referee refused to restart the game until he was removed, I don't see what else the club were supposed to do.1 -
Couple of observations:
The chap I saw climbing the stairs, apparently having been asked/told to leave, was taking the acclaim of those around him and clapping.
Hardly the conduct of someone terribly affronted.
The number of actual offenders was probably just one or two, as regards what Marosi thought he heard. The crowd which joined in abusing him, gesturing all sorts, rushing down to the front to berate players and stewards alike, numbered going on a hundred or more. The sustained level of abuse directed at Marosi for the rest of the game was patently not the work of one or two exceptions. From nearby, but far enough not to have heard the initial offense, all we could guess had happened was that something had been thrown, we couldn't see any bottles so the unpalatable but not unreasonable guess might have been a coin. Marosi picked up a number of items from the goalmouth and was treated as the offender by a shameful proportion of the covered end.
There is an awful lot of noise on here, just as there was a lot of noise then - most of which reflects very poorly on the noisy and by extension on the rest of us. Almost nobody is coming out of this in credit.
The club needs to stop pussy footing around, anything that looks suspect on cctv should be enough for a stadium ban minimum. Zero tolerance for chucking stuff at players or officials and zero tolerance for hateful abuse. Stringent sanctions on offenders will soon enough deter copycat behaviour especially among the young. If people get upset by harsh treatment of a few, fine, they can take their offense and get lost, they're not needed. Weeding out a few nutjobs will benefit us all in the longer run.13 - Sponsored links:
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Go on then, I'll bite. What do you consider yourself to be?seth plum said:
You have a point, and what I like about it is the term ‘consider themselves’.thenewbie said:
Someone born and raised in England, speaking English, is very unlikely to consider themselves as something other than English. Certainly the chances are higher than our hypothetical baby one day waking up and deciding he is French.seth plum said:Surely a person is only ‘English’ if for whatever reason they choose to call themselves ‘English’.
Babies are not born with ‘made in England’ stamped on their bum.
Obviously it is possible that if our hypothetical child is raised by parents from another culture he could identify with that as well.
I had the experience you describe at the start of your post, but don’t consider myself to be English.0 -
Everyone else resisted biting for more than 2 hoursCroydon said:
Go on then, I'll bite. What do you consider yourself to be?seth plum said:
You have a point, and what I like about it is the term ‘consider themselves’.thenewbie said:
Someone born and raised in England, speaking English, is very unlikely to consider themselves as something other than English. Certainly the chances are higher than our hypothetical baby one day waking up and deciding he is French.seth plum said:Surely a person is only ‘English’ if for whatever reason they choose to call themselves ‘English’.
Babies are not born with ‘made in England’ stamped on their bum.
Obviously it is possible that if our hypothetical child is raised by parents from another culture he could identify with that as well.
I had the experience you describe at the start of your post, but don’t consider myself to be English.
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Which is different to not restarting the game until the alleged offenders are removedBilly_Mix said:
When a hate speech type incident has been brought to the referee's attention and they stop the game, they are not allowed to restart the game until the stadium manager/responsible official has been informed of the alleged transgression.Chunes said:If the referee refused to restart the game until he was removed, I don't see what else the club were supposed to do.0 -
For good or ill I consider myself to be me.Croydon said:
Go on then, I'll bite. What do you consider yourself to be?seth plum said:
You have a point, and what I like about it is the term ‘consider themselves’.thenewbie said:
Someone born and raised in England, speaking English, is very unlikely to consider themselves as something other than English. Certainly the chances are higher than our hypothetical baby one day waking up and deciding he is French.seth plum said:Surely a person is only ‘English’ if for whatever reason they choose to call themselves ‘English’.
Babies are not born with ‘made in England’ stamped on their bum.
Obviously it is possible that if our hypothetical child is raised by parents from another culture he could identify with that as well.
I had the experience you describe at the start of your post, but don’t consider myself to be English.
Nationality is only a technical consideration in order to live within the rules one is born into.13 -
I was born in England, schooled in England, lived in England for 55 years. I am German.5
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Although I appreciate we live in an era of self-identification above all, 'English' as a noun refers to the people of England so if you live here, you are Englishseth plum said:
For good or ill I consider myself to be me.Croydon said:
Go on then, I'll bite. What do you consider yourself to be?seth plum said:
You have a point, and what I like about it is the term ‘consider themselves’.thenewbie said:
Someone born and raised in England, speaking English, is very unlikely to consider themselves as something other than English. Certainly the chances are higher than our hypothetical baby one day waking up and deciding he is French.seth plum said:Surely a person is only ‘English’ if for whatever reason they choose to call themselves ‘English’.
Babies are not born with ‘made in England’ stamped on their bum.
Obviously it is possible that if our hypothetical child is raised by parents from another culture he could identify with that as well.
I had the experience you describe at the start of your post, but don’t consider myself to be English.
Nationality is only a technical consideration in order to live within the rules one is born into.
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You speak for yourself I'm me and today I'm feeling Rwandan.Vfrf said:
Although I appreciate we live in an era of self-identification above all, 'English' as a noun refers to the people of England so if you live here, you are Englishseth plum said:
For good or ill I consider myself to be me.Croydon said:
Go on then, I'll bite. What do you consider yourself to be?seth plum said:
You have a point, and what I like about it is the term ‘consider themselves’.thenewbie said:
Someone born and raised in England, speaking English, is very unlikely to consider themselves as something other than English. Certainly the chances are higher than our hypothetical baby one day waking up and deciding he is French.seth plum said:Surely a person is only ‘English’ if for whatever reason they choose to call themselves ‘English’.
Babies are not born with ‘made in England’ stamped on their bum.
Obviously it is possible that if our hypothetical child is raised by parents from another culture he could identify with that as well.
I had the experience you describe at the start of your post, but don’t consider myself to be English.
Nationality is only a technical consideration in order to live within the rules one is born into. 5 -
But you were made in the Royal Navy?ElfsborgAddick said:I was born in England, schooled in England, lived in England for 55 years. I am German.8 -
English as a noun refers to a language.Vfrf said:
Although I appreciate we live in an era of self-identification above all, 'English' as a noun refers to the people of England so if you live here, you are Englishseth plum said:
For good or ill I consider myself to be me.Croydon said:
Go on then, I'll bite. What do you consider yourself to be?seth plum said:
You have a point, and what I like about it is the term ‘consider themselves’.thenewbie said:
Someone born and raised in England, speaking English, is very unlikely to consider themselves as something other than English. Certainly the chances are higher than our hypothetical baby one day waking up and deciding he is French.seth plum said:Surely a person is only ‘English’ if for whatever reason they choose to call themselves ‘English’.
Babies are not born with ‘made in England’ stamped on their bum.
Obviously it is possible that if our hypothetical child is raised by parents from another culture he could identify with that as well.
I had the experience you describe at the start of your post, but don’t consider myself to be English.
Nationality is only a technical consideration in order to live within the rules one is born into. 0 -
The adjective refers to the language, the noun refers to the people.seth plum said:
English as a noun refers to a language.Vfrf said:
Although I appreciate we live in an era of self-identification above all, 'English' as a noun refers to the people of England so if you live here, you are Englishseth plum said:
For good or ill I consider myself to be me.Croydon said:
Go on then, I'll bite. What do you consider yourself to be?seth plum said:
You have a point, and what I like about it is the term ‘consider themselves’.thenewbie said:
Someone born and raised in England, speaking English, is very unlikely to consider themselves as something other than English. Certainly the chances are higher than our hypothetical baby one day waking up and deciding he is French.seth plum said:Surely a person is only ‘English’ if for whatever reason they choose to call themselves ‘English’.
Babies are not born with ‘made in England’ stamped on their bum.
Obviously it is possible that if our hypothetical child is raised by parents from another culture he could identify with that as well.
I had the experience you describe at the start of your post, but don’t consider myself to be English.
Nationality is only a technical consideration in order to live within the rules one is born into. 0
