Not commenting on the club’s reaction to this incident, but Matt Wright wrote in VOTV about the club’s failure to address deteriorating behaviour back in March. I’m not saying that morons respond to public warnings but they do establish a baseline and give fans generally reassurance that the club is aware of and committed to taking action.
The abuse text number is part of a national EFL initiative that the club was behind others in taking forward. I know Mick Everett has had to deal with loads of this crap this season, but the lack of leadership on the ground has definitely been a factor in the overall inadequate response.
There is no way you can blame the club for this ..
apart from the completely incorrect statement they put out?
What I don’t really get is why there’s so much anger and nastiness. I certainly when I was younger used to dish out abuse to opposing players and fans, but it was never done with any hate. So many people seem so angry nowadays, I don’t get why?
It’s would be an interesting study for someone far more intelligent than me on modern society.
What is causing this behaviour? because it seems to be everywhere nowadays. Is it the pressure people are feeling in life, more awareness on certain issues, social media etc.
What I notice is everything is now so black or white, Them vs.Us nowadays, even in our club your team Sandgaard or not or JJ in or JJ out. There seems to be very little balance or understanding anymore.
Even in myself I feel it, more tension or negativity.
Not commenting on the club’s reaction to this incident, but Matt Wright wrote in VOTV about the club’s failure to address deteriorating behaviour back in March. I’m not saying that morons respond to public warnings but they do establish a baseline and give fans generally reassurance that the club is aware of and committed to taking action.
The abuse text number is part of a national EFL initiative that the club was behind others in taking forward. I know Mick Everett has had to deal with loads of this crap this season, but the lack of leadership on the ground has definitely been a factor in the overall inadequate response.
There is no way you can blame the club for this ..
The club cannot be blamed for moronic/scumbag behaviour.
What the club can do is how the respond to the incident. They were lacking in several areas on this.
Must admit if being perfectly honest I struggle with some of this stuff.
I’m not an abusive person in any way and like the vast majority of us I’ve been educated and conditioned (and very grateful) that race, sexuality and religion are taboo levels of characterisation that are now very much deemed unacceptable levels of targeting in society. And I’m pretty confident that if there was an incident that involved those factors in any of our stands there would be enough around them who would not tolerate it and ensure it is dealt with (in some form at the time or following).
But other forms, nationality, physical characteristics (weight, height, hair / lack of) etc I struggle a bit to take as seriously in a football crowd context. Opposing players are always likely to attract some level of abuse, that’s part of the game that I don’t think will ever be fully expunged. Perhaps I’m being a bit of a dinosaur, who knows.
I’ve no idea what was said or whether it was beyond the acceptable levels. Seeing it was a white European it looked clear that it was neither race or religion based. Given it’s stoppage and handling made it appear a VERY serious incident, Because of that, I’d have hoped through the clubs, player, or from those nearby more information would have come out by now. It feels very sketchy.
I’m loathe to criticise though in case what was said WAS completely unacceptable.
I expect that as a goalkeeper he is used to regular abuse from opposition fans. I expect he has heard all sorts and been called all sorts.
Seems to me that for him to react like this means something has been said that crossed the lines of acceptability. Something that went beyond what he is normally subjected to.
It appears the club haven’t covered themselves in glory thus far and need to put that right. Once investigated Sandgaard will need to put out a statement like he does about many other things.
What I think was wrong was the Ref holding the game up for so long. Talk to Stewards etc, yes, make a report of what he was told after , yes, but he left the Keeper rowing with fans and other players then joined in and it escalated. And not for a minute or two, for ages!
What I think was wrong was the Ref holding the game up for so long. Talk to Stewards etc, yes, make a report of what he was told after , yes, but he left the Keeper rowing with fans and other players then joined in and it escalated. And not for a minute or two, for ages!
Turns out the ref would not re start the game until the people who made the comment was removed. It took ages as no capable stewards of doing this job appeared for ages.
What I don’t really get is why there’s so much anger and nastiness. I certainly when I was younger used to dish out abuse to opposing players and fans, but it was never done with any hate. So many people seem so angry nowadays, I don’t get why?
Inadequacy.
Seeing blokes in their 50s screaming blue murder at bemused 19 year old kids warming up by the corner flag each week is tragic.
The younger ones have some warped idea of what being a football lad is which just involves screaming c*** at everyone and everything every 30 seconds and throwing bottles, coins and seats regardless of whether it hits any of the kids or other fans in the vicinity.
State of most of them as well...usually skinny as a rake or bordering on sumo wrestler physique.
Most would get ironed out one on one against a professional footballer and would unlikely get in a ring on their Todd's without being tanked up and on the marching powder.
Thing is they see themselves as "proper" and all that bollocks. Couldn't be further from the truth.
What I think was wrong was the Ref holding the game up for so long. Talk to Stewards etc, yes, make a report of what he was told after , yes, but he left the Keeper rowing with fans and other players then joined in and it escalated. And not for a minute or two, for ages!
He's obliged to report it to the club's safety officer and police (if present) before the game restarts. He appeared to follow protocols. Once he reported it to Mick Everett he restarted the game.
What I don’t really get is why there’s so much anger and nastiness. I certainly when I was younger used to dish out abuse to opposing players and fans, but it was never done with any hate. So many people seem so angry nowadays, I don’t get why?
“We're the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no Great war, no Great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives. We've all been raised by television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires and movie gods and rock stars, but we won't...and we're slowly learning that fact...and we're very very pissed off”
Watched it on telly and assumed something racist or xenophobic had been reported. Not surprising. Always a few arseholes in football stadiums. What was more surprising and disappointing was the crowd reaction after and the way the keeper was targeted afterwards. Millwallesque and Shrewsbury's statement is quite generous I reckon.
It took 4 pages, which is 3 more than I thought it would. So, well done you.
Take our name out of your mouth and own it. This one's on you.
The club being blamed is a bit off. The keeper identified the wrong person. The referee would not restart the game until the person was ejected , which led to the wrong guy being chucked out.
Watched it on telly and assumed something racist or xenophobic had been reported. Not surprising. Always a few arseholes in football stadiums. What was more surprising and disappointing was the crowd reaction after and the way the keeper was targeted afterwards. Millwallesque and Shrewsbury's statement is quite generous I reckon.
It took 4 pages, which is 3 more than I thought it would. So, well done you.
Take our name out of your mouth and own it. This one's on you.
You're not supposed to care...
The song references people not liking us and us not caring. It doesn't, at any stage, reference snide, innacurate, half arsed and ill thought out comments by weird deflectionists.
For the record, I don't care. I just chose to call out an idiotic statement.
What I don’t really get is why there’s so much anger and nastiness. I certainly when I was younger used to dish out abuse to opposing players and fans, but it was never done with any hate. So many people seem so angry nowadays, I don’t get why?
Inadequacy.
Seeing blokes in their 50s screaming blue murder at bemused 19 year old kids warming up by the corner flag each week is tragic.
The younger ones have some warped idea of what being a football lad is which just involves screaming c*** at everyone and everything every 30 seconds and throwing bottles, coins and seats regardless of whether it hits any of the kids or other fans in the vicinity.
State of most of them as well...usually skinny as a rake or bordering on sumo wrestler physique.
Most would get ironed out one on one against a professional footballer and would unlikely get in a ring on their Todd's without being tanked up and on the marching powder.
Thing is they see themselves as "proper" and all that bollocks. Couldn't be further from the truth.
Proper cringes.
Doncaster away we had a section that spent the entire match goading some kids and whatever adults were accompanying them - looked like coaches and a youth side.
Resulted in the kids being moved with was no doubt classed as win in their heads
What I don’t really get is why there’s so much anger and nastiness. I certainly when I was younger used to dish out abuse to opposing players and fans, but it was never done with any hate. So many people seem so angry nowadays, I don’t get why?
Inadequacy.
Seeing blokes in their 50s screaming blue murder at bemused 19 year old kids warming up by the corner flag each week is tragic.
The younger ones have some warped idea of what being a football lad is which just involves screaming c*** at everyone and everything every 30 seconds and throwing bottles, coins and seats regardless of whether it hits any of the kids or other fans in the vicinity.
State of most of them as well...usually skinny as a rake or bordering on sumo wrestler physique.
Most would get ironed out one on one against a professional footballer and would unlikely get in a ring on their Todd's without being tanked up and on the marching powder.
Thing is they see themselves as "proper" and all that bollocks. Couldn't be further from the truth.
What I don’t really get is why there’s so much anger and nastiness. I certainly when I was younger used to dish out abuse to opposing players and fans, but it was never done with any hate. So many people seem so angry nowadays, I don’t get why?
Inadequacy.
Seeing blokes in their 50s screaming blue murder at bemused 19 year old kids warming up by the corner flag each week is tragic.
The younger ones have some warped idea of what being a football lad is which just involves screaming c*** at everyone and everything every 30 seconds and throwing bottles, coins and seats regardless of whether it hits any of the kids or other fans in the vicinity.
State of most of them as well...usually skinny as a rake or bordering on sumo wrestler physique.
Most would get ironed out one on one against a professional footballer and would unlikely get in a ring on their Todd's without being tanked up and on the marching powder.
Thing is they see themselves as "proper" and all that bollocks. Couldn't be further from the truth.
Proper cringes.
Doncaster away we had a section that spent the entire match goading some kids and whatever adults were accompanying them - looked like coaches and a youth side.
Resulted in the kids being moved with was no doubt classed as win in their heads
At Cambridge last Tuesday there was a ball girl in front of the away stand. When she got up to get the ball at one point, one of our brightest brains at the back of the stand decided to scream “Hurry up you slag”.
This was to a girl who could have been no more than 15-16.
Some people will say and do anything to try and impress their mates, and that is amplified by whatever they’ve decided to consume in the build up to a game.
90% of our fans are absolutely brilliant all of the time, but we do have some proper helmets who try to play up to a role they think they need to portray.
I’ve been going since 1975. And whilst I don’t think we should all stab each other and throw bananas on the pitch. Where the game is now and most of the outrage (fake or otherwise) on here and players being offended at being called names (boo boo)that I don’t go much any more means I’m not sure I’ll go much at all. It’s shit, this fascist witch hunt mentality.though police bollocks. There must be a middle ground surely.
Middle ground between throwing bananas and what? Not throwing bananas? I don't know...waving bananas? Still seems quite racist.
I’ve been going since 1975. And whilst I don’t think we should all stab each other and throw bananas on the pitch. Where the game is now and most of the outrage (fake or otherwise) on here and players being offended at being called names (boo boo) means the fact that I don’t go much any more means I’m not sure I’ll go much at all. It’s shit, this fascist witch hunt mentality.though police bollocks. There must be a middle ground surely.
Yep 1975 is about right....I was a 3-4 years before that.
What I think was wrong was the Ref holding the game up for so long. Talk to Stewards etc, yes, make a report of what he was told after , yes, but he left the Keeper rowing with fans and other players then joined in and it escalated. And not for a minute or two, for ages!
He's obliged to report it to the club's safety officer and police (if present) before the game restarts. He appeared to follow protocols. Once he reported it to Mick Everett he restarted the game.
I heard that he told the club that he would not restart the game until those fans were removed.
Must admit if being perfectly honest I struggle with some of this stuff.
I’m not an abusive person in any way and like the vast majority of us I’ve been educated and conditioned (and very grateful) that race, sexuality and religion are taboo levels of characterisation that are now very much deemed unacceptable levels of targeting in society. And I’m pretty confident that if there was an incident that involved those factors in any of our stands there would be enough around them who would not tolerate it and ensure it is dealt with (in some form at the time or following).
But other forms, nationality, physical characteristics (weight, height, hair / lack of) etc I struggle a bit to take as seriously in a football crowd context. Opposing players are always likely to attract some level of abuse, that’s part of the game that I don’t think will ever be fully expunged. Perhaps I’m being a bit of a dinosaur, who knows.
I’ve no idea what was said or whether it was beyond the acceptable levels. Seeing it was a white European it looked clear that it was neither race or religion based. Given it’s stoppage and handling made it appear a VERY serious incident, Because of that, I’d have hoped through the clubs, player, or from those nearby more information would have come out by now. It feels very sketchy.
I’m loathe to criticise though in case what was said WAS completely unacceptable.
What I don’t really get is why there’s so much anger and nastiness. I certainly when I was younger used to dish out abuse to opposing players and fans, but it was never done with any hate. So many people seem so angry nowadays, I don’t get why?
Inadequacy.
Seeing blokes in their 50s screaming blue murder at bemused 19 year old kids warming up by the corner flag each week is tragic.
The younger ones have some warped idea of what being a football lad is which just involves screaming cunt at everyone and everything every 30 seconds and throwing bottles, coins and seats regardless of whether it hits any of the kids or other fans in the vicinity.
State of most of them as well...usually skinny as a rake or bordering on sumo wrestler physique.
Most would get ironed out one on one against a professional footballer and would unlikely get in a ring on their Todd's without being tanked up and on the marching powder.
Thing is they see themselves as "proper" and all that bollocks. Couldn't be further from the truth.
Proper cringes.
Doncaster away we had a section that spent the entire match goading some kids and whatever adults were accompanying them - looked like coaches and a youth side.
Resulted in the kids being moved with was no doubt classed as win in their heads
At Cambridge last Tuesday there was a ball girl in front of the away stand. When she got up to get the ball at one point, one of our brightest brains at the back of the stand decided to scream “Hurry up you slag”.
This was to a girl who could have been no more than 15-16.
Some people will say and do anything to try and impress their mates, and that is amplified by whatever they’ve decided to consume in the build up to a game.
90% of our fans are absolutely brilliant all of the time, but we do have some proper helmets who try to play up to a role they think they need to portray.
I was there, too. I heard it as "kick it you c@#t" (she threw the ball weakly to MacG). I was heartened by the fact that he was called out by various people around him.
Same bloke (I think) also shouted a comment involving the word poof. He then joked "oh, that's unacceptable now...sorrryyyyy"
Only bringing this up as somebody else did
For me, both deserving of being booted out. Understand that others will disagree....but.... is this just about opinions?
What I don’t really get is why there’s so much anger and nastiness. I certainly when I was younger used to dish out abuse to opposing players and fans, but it was never done with any hate. So many people seem so angry nowadays, I don’t get why?
“We're the middle children of the history man, no purpose or place. We have no Great war, no Great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives. We've all been raised by television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires and movie gods and rock stars, but we won't...and we're slowly learning that fact...and we're very very pissed off”
Tyler Durden
Packed out train Like a tin of sardines Doors wide open But nobody leaves More piling 'til you can't breathe
Yeah, you're angry You're angry And you don't know why
Watched it on telly and assumed something racist or xenophobic had been reported. Not surprising. Always a few arseholes in football stadiums. What was more surprising and disappointing was the crowd reaction after and the way the keeper was targeted afterwards. Millwallesque and Shrewsbury's statement is quite generous I reckon.
It took 4 pages, which is 3 more than I thought it would. So, well done you.
Take our name out of your mouth and own it. This one's on you.
You're not supposed to care...
The song references people not liking us and us not caring. It doesn't, at any stage, reference snide, innacurate, half arsed and ill thought out comments by weird deflectionists.
For the record, I don't care. I just chose to call out an idiotic statement.
But it was Millwallesque. Yes, it’s the fault of the Charlton supporters involved. No one is saying it isn’t. But it is Millwall-like behaviour. Surely you can see that?
Watched it on telly and assumed something racist or xenophobic had been reported. Not surprising. Always a few arseholes in football stadiums. What was more surprising and disappointing was the crowd reaction after and the way the keeper was targeted afterwards. Millwallesque and Shrewsbury's statement is quite generous I reckon.
It took 4 pages, which is 3 more than I thought it would. So, well done you.
Take our name out of your mouth and own it. This one's on you.
You're not supposed to care...
The song references people not liking us and us not caring. It doesn't, at any stage, reference snide, innacurate, half arsed and ill thought out comments by weird deflectionists.
For the record, I don't care. I just chose to call out an idiotic statement.
But it was Millwallesque. Yes, it’s the fault of the Charlton supporters involved. No one is saying it isn’t. But it is Millwall-like behaviour. Surely you can see that?
But with more and more incidents when does it stop being Millwallesque and starts being Charltonesque.
We have got a tosser element to our crowd like every other team. And when they display their tosserryness they should get called out for it and we should own it.
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What is causing this behaviour? because it seems to be everywhere nowadays. Is it the pressure people are feeling in life, more awareness on certain issues, social media etc.
What I notice is everything is now so black or white, Them vs.Us nowadays, even in our club your team Sandgaard or not or JJ in or JJ out. There seems to be very little balance or understanding anymore.
Even in myself I feel it, more tension or negativity.
What the club can do is how the respond to the incident. They were lacking in several areas on this.
Seems to me that for him to react like this means something has been said that crossed the lines of acceptability. Something that went beyond what he is normally subjected to.
It appears the club haven’t covered themselves in glory thus far and need to put that right. Once investigated Sandgaard will need to put out a statement like he does about many other things.
Seeing blokes in their 50s screaming blue murder at bemused 19 year old kids warming up by the corner flag each week is tragic.
The younger ones have some warped idea of what being a football lad is which just involves screaming c*** at everyone and everything every 30 seconds and throwing bottles, coins and seats regardless of whether it hits any of the kids or other fans in the vicinity.
State of most of them as well...usually skinny as a rake or bordering on sumo wrestler physique.
Most would get ironed out one on one against a professional footballer and would unlikely get in a ring on their Todd's without being tanked up and on the marching powder.
Thing is they see themselves as "proper" and all that bollocks. Couldn't be further from the truth.
Proper cringes.
Tyler Durden
For the record, I don't care. I just chose to call out an idiotic statement.
Resulted in the kids being moved with was no doubt classed as win in their heads
This was to a girl who could have been no more than 15-16.
Some people will say and do anything to try and impress their mates, and that is amplified by whatever they’ve decided to consume in the build up to a game.
@RodneyCharltonTrotta summed it up perfectly.
They weren't in obvious colours so I wasn't sure whether they were Charlton, Salap or ANO...
Same bloke (I think) also shouted a comment involving the word poof. He then joked "oh, that's unacceptable now...sorrryyyyy"
Only bringing this up as somebody else did
For me, both deserving of being booted out. Understand that others will disagree....but.... is this just about opinions?
Like a tin of sardines
Doors wide open
But nobody leaves
More piling 'til you can't breathe
You're angry
And you don't know why
Kid Kapichi