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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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Except they got promoted and Garner didn't get Swindon to Wembley.Henry Irving said:Garner has a great name.
Never heard of him TBH but some in depth research (reading Wiki) he has a decent track record as a coach. That it's mainly with the Glaziers shouldn't be held against him (unless we start losing in which case he'll become a Palace ****).
Has done a very good, and quick, turn around job at Swindon so in a similar bracket to Taylor and the Forest Green guy.
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If true seems likely at least one candidate has turned it down. Or he’s someone TS was keen to interview and were waiting on the outcome on the playoffs.balham red said:
Good God that's deflating that we are still interviewing.Cafc43v3r said:Cafc43v3r said:Ben Garner actually ticks a lot of boxes.
"he's a phenomenal person. He's a top, top coach, his attention to detail is unreal and he sees things that we don't see. He's a class act all around".
Very much focused on developing young players. Similar back ground to Beale in that he has a lot of coaching experience despite being quite young.
Knows the area as well so would pass the sat nav test.
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As your twisted logic turns into a pretzel, you may have noticed you completely missed the whole point of my original, now deleted post, in your zeal to do exactly what the post suggested would be better if we didn’t - I know right, lots of words. I was asking for a level of tolerance of which you are clearly incapable. The real blood pressure riser for you seems to be my throw away on MS not knowing about football. Whereas you can disparage a player who has over 100 more professional football appearances than you, I am guessing, I am also fully entitled to my opinion (right or wrong) without you screaming about nonsense guide rails and imposing subjectivities - like I have to know him personally to form an opinion - and likewise you are very welcome to your opinions on Morgan or anyone else.Garrymanilow said:
Jesus Christ. Of course we can all post opinions on tactics and players, but typically we have some concept of the things we're looking at. I don't think Albie Morgan is very good for instance, but I base that on what I've seen. Given that Martin Sandgaard is new on the scene I don't see how we can know anything about him (unless you know him, which is why I added that). Yet despite that you've stated that he 'knows SFA about football', and in the same breath complained that people are making assumptions. You can have reservations and concerns about what's going on at the club, I do too, but I just don't see on what basis you've claimed MS doesn't know anything about football, and the fact you've done that while moaning about people making assumptions is incredible to me, that's all. As for whatever you're talking about at the end there I have no idea. Can't help you with that.RoanRedNY said:
Hope you are Okay after your lie down - you need it as your logic must be strangling you. Your irony in pointing out the irony is well noted.Garrymanilow said:
The highlighted irony here is why people do sometimes get annoyed at fans posting their concerns. What do you honestly know about Martin Sandgaard, other than what you've decided you know about him? Unless you know him personally, I suspect very little. So why are you insulting his football knowledge? It's true, he might not even know what shape the ball they use is, but I think it's slightly more likely that you're making a sweeping assumption, barbed with an insult, based on conjecture, which is exactly what you're complaining about other people doing. I think I need a lie down actually, this might have finished me.RoanRedNY said:it’s a real shame that recently fans can’t seem to just post their concerns about the team, recruitment, TS, MS, which are all valid - without a vociferous minority sweepingly insulting or abusing CL or posters with whom they don’t agree. We are not entitled, or comparing to previous shit owners, TS “bashers” or stupid, we are simply concerned fans. TS is the owner, but has said and done some bizarre things which give cause for concern, and done some of those things very strangely. His son knows SFA about football and an estimation of 10x the average sky viewer is an overestimate by about 10. Recruitment and some of the back room structure is and continues to be an issue, concerns over management and new player recruitment are equally valid. Let everyone have their say without sweeping generalizations or insults. Doesn’t need to be that way just because some don’t agree. It’s all opinion and conjecture and no-one on this forum has the “I’m always right” stick.Assuming very few of the people on here have worked for a professional football club or played or managed at a professional level, we all still post about players, managers, clubs, training, formation, tactics and share our views/concerns, but apparently someone with absolutely no football connection, no football CV and probably not posting on this forum is not fair game unless I am lifelong mates with him.That’s really your point to a post simply asking for a little more tolerance of different views? Good grief.My original post has been deleted and the forum closed for me. I hate social media, have no twitterverse accounts and this type of response definitely reinforces the view that people are better of without it.The difference being I wouldn’t be “Jesus Christing” all over the place about your opinion or introducing rules around how or why you form an opinion. Tell you what, when MS is employed or headhunted by another professional football league side in any of the top 5 divisions I shall happily admit my assumptions around his football knowledge was wrong. how about that? I’d also delete my original post if I hadn’t already done so.
Meantime I refer you to the main point of the post, rather than this ludicrous side track, but, to be fully frank, I really don’t give two tuppeny fucks what you think, it’s my opinion and I am Okay with it, thanks
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Although Swindon started from a much lower point than the others who'd been challenging for a couple of seasons.Covered End said:
Except they got promoted and Garner didn't get Swindon to Wembley.Henry Irving said:Garner has a great name.
Never heard of him TBH but some in depth research (reading Wiki) he has a decent track record as a coach. That it's mainly with the Glaziers shouldn't be held against him (unless we start losing in which case he'll become a Palace ****).
Has done a very good, and quick, turn around job at Swindon so in a similar bracket to Taylor and the Forest Green guy.
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Chris Powell was ex-Palace.3
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We forgave him that long ago (-:0
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As was Dowie 1-2...........Henry Irving said:6 -
Morfuni set the tone by greeting supporters buying season tickets at the club, thanking them in person.Scoham said:
Sandgaard will be kicking himself that he missed that trick
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Swindon relegated from L1.Henry Irving said:
Although Swindon started from a much lower point than the others who'd been challenging for a couple of seasons.Covered End said:
Except they got promoted and Garner didn't get Swindon to Wembley.Henry Irving said:Garner has a great name.
Never heard of him TBH but some in depth research (reading Wiki) he has a decent track record as a coach. That it's mainly with the Glaziers shouldn't be held against him (unless we start losing in which case he'll become a Palace ****).
Has done a very good, and quick, turn around job at Swindon so in a similar bracket to Taylor and the Forest Green guy.
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And only had 7 plays when preseason started.Covered End said:
Swindon relegated from L1.Henry Irving said:
Although Swindon started from a much lower point than the others who'd been challenging for a couple of seasons.Covered End said:
Except they got promoted and Garner didn't get Swindon to Wembley.Henry Irving said:Garner has a great name.
Never heard of him TBH but some in depth research (reading Wiki) he has a decent track record as a coach. That it's mainly with the Glaziers shouldn't be held against him (unless we start losing in which case he'll become a Palace ****).
Has done a very good, and quick, turn around job at Swindon so in a similar bracket to Taylor and the Forest Green guy.
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Nah, Garner was our No.1 choice all along but because he was involved in the play offs we had to look elsewhere just in case. (cough cough)Callumcafc said:Would be willing to give him a chance after what he did with Swindon this season - had six pro players on the books two weeks before the season started.
Does feel a bit like a 4th or 5th choice option though.5 -
Charlton man though 😜 2-1Henry Irving said:
My point is though, it’s irrelevant. I doubt Millwall care right now that Rowett is ex-Charlton.1 -
They finished 3 points off automatic promotion despite signing 5 players in July and another 12 in August.Covered End said:
Swindon relegated from L1.Henry Irving said:
Although Swindon started from a much lower point than the others who'd been challenging for a couple of seasons.Covered End said:
Except they got promoted and Garner didn't get Swindon to Wembley.Henry Irving said:Garner has a great name.
Never heard of him TBH but some in depth research (reading Wiki) he has a decent track record as a coach. That it's mainly with the Glaziers shouldn't be held against him (unless we start losing in which case he'll become a Palace ****).
Has done a very good, and quick, turn around job at Swindon so in a similar bracket to Taylor and the Forest Green guy.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021–22_Swindon_Town_F.C._season
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He's capable of bringing in virtually a whole new squad just as the season starts?Scoham said:
They finished 3 points off automatic promotion despite signing 5 players in July and another 12 in August.Covered End said:
Swindon relegated from L1.Henry Irving said:
Although Swindon started from a much lower point than the others who'd been challenging for a couple of seasons.Covered End said:
Except they got promoted and Garner didn't get Swindon to Wembley.Henry Irving said:Garner has a great name.
Never heard of him TBH but some in depth research (reading Wiki) he has a decent track record as a coach. That it's mainly with the Glaziers shouldn't be held against him (unless we start losing in which case he'll become a Palace ****).
Has done a very good, and quick, turn around job at Swindon so in a similar bracket to Taylor and the Forest Green guy.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021–22_Swindon_Town_F.C._season
And made the playoffs?
Sounds exactly like the man we're looking for!
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They were in proper turmoil and one of the favourites for relegation pre-takeover and Garner coming in.Covered End said:
Swindon relegated from L1.Henry Irving said:
Although Swindon started from a much lower point than the others who'd been challenging for a couple of seasons.Covered End said:
Except they got promoted and Garner didn't get Swindon to Wembley.Henry Irving said:Garner has a great name.
Never heard of him TBH but some in depth research (reading Wiki) he has a decent track record as a coach. That it's mainly with the Glaziers shouldn't be held against him (unless we start losing in which case he'll become a Palace ****).
Has done a very good, and quick, turn around job at Swindon so in a similar bracket to Taylor and the Forest Green guy.
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Not saying he’s my first choice by any means but he’s had a decent season considering where it started.0 -
Now the season is over, I'm giving beale 3 hours to drive from the etihad before we go into meltdown because it hasn't happened again15
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Certainly has an interesting CV. Flown under the radar a bit. Prepared to give him a go if he’s the chosen one.0
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You’re thinking of Sausagedog110, he’s got loads of inside contacts. This Sausagedog111 character is a total BS merchant.ElliotCAFC said:You can always trust Sausagedog111 for the inside scoop.11 -
Maybe Martin has reservations about working for his old man and has turned it down9
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ShootersHillGuru said:I don’t see it being either Taylor or Beale. Was all too simple. I think it’s going to be right out of left field.
Barnes or Daley though?1 -
Thank you, I enjoyed this. It was nonsense entirely, but I enjoyed it. You're talking about tolerance for opinions, which I can assure you everyone on here has, but the point I am making - over and over again sadly - is that you cannot possibly have any basis for your claim that Martin Sandgaard knows 'SFA about football'. It is purest conjecture based on nothing. People can have tolerance for an opinion based on something i.e. x player isn't good or 'I don't think hiring MS is a good idea based on his lack of footballing background' - a perfectly valid thing to think - but your claim that he doesn't know anything about football is completely baseless. Unless of course you've worked with him before and you can base that on something real. It's not a 'nonsense guide rail' to think that you should actually have some knowledge about something before you spaff your opinions all over a message board. I don't want you to admit your assumptions are wrong if he's great at his job, I want you to be happy that we've got a good person involved in signing our players! I wouldn't want you to delete your original post either, I just think you can't just brazenly state something like that about someone's knowledge without knowing a thing about him. You absolute loon.RoanRedNY said:
As your twisted logic turns into a pretzel, you may have noticed you completely missed the whole point of my original, now deleted post, in your zeal to do exactly what the post suggested would be better if we didn’t - I know right, lots of words. I was asking for a level of tolerance of which you are clearly incapable. The real blood pressure riser for you seems to be my throw away on MS not knowing about football. Whereas you can disparage a player who has over 100 more professional football appearances than you, I am guessing, I am also fully entitled to my opinion (right or wrong) without you screaming about nonsense guide rails and imposing subjectivities - like I have to know him personally to form an opinion - and likewise you are very welcome to your opinions on Morgan or anyone else.Garrymanilow said:
Jesus Christ. Of course we can all post opinions on tactics and players, but typically we have some concept of the things we're looking at. I don't think Albie Morgan is very good for instance, but I base that on what I've seen. Given that Martin Sandgaard is new on the scene I don't see how we can know anything about him (unless you know him, which is why I added that). Yet despite that you've stated that he 'knows SFA about football', and in the same breath complained that people are making assumptions. You can have reservations and concerns about what's going on at the club, I do too, but I just don't see on what basis you've claimed MS doesn't know anything about football, and the fact you've done that while moaning about people making assumptions is incredible to me, that's all. As for whatever you're talking about at the end there I have no idea. Can't help you with that.RoanRedNY said:
Hope you are Okay after your lie down - you need it as your logic must be strangling you. Your irony in pointing out the irony is well noted.Garrymanilow said:
The highlighted irony here is why people do sometimes get annoyed at fans posting their concerns. What do you honestly know about Martin Sandgaard, other than what you've decided you know about him? Unless you know him personally, I suspect very little. So why are you insulting his football knowledge? It's true, he might not even know what shape the ball they use is, but I think it's slightly more likely that you're making a sweeping assumption, barbed with an insult, based on conjecture, which is exactly what you're complaining about other people doing. I think I need a lie down actually, this might have finished me.RoanRedNY said:it’s a real shame that recently fans can’t seem to just post their concerns about the team, recruitment, TS, MS, which are all valid - without a vociferous minority sweepingly insulting or abusing CL or posters with whom they don’t agree. We are not entitled, or comparing to previous shit owners, TS “bashers” or stupid, we are simply concerned fans. TS is the owner, but has said and done some bizarre things which give cause for concern, and done some of those things very strangely. His son knows SFA about football and an estimation of 10x the average sky viewer is an overestimate by about 10. Recruitment and some of the back room structure is and continues to be an issue, concerns over management and new player recruitment are equally valid. Let everyone have their say without sweeping generalizations or insults. Doesn’t need to be that way just because some don’t agree. It’s all opinion and conjecture and no-one on this forum has the “I’m always right” stick.Assuming very few of the people on here have worked for a professional football club or played or managed at a professional level, we all still post about players, managers, clubs, training, formation, tactics and share our views/concerns, but apparently someone with absolutely no football connection, no football CV and probably not posting on this forum is not fair game unless I am lifelong mates with him.That’s really your point to a post simply asking for a little more tolerance of different views? Good grief.My original post has been deleted and the forum closed for me. I hate social media, have no twitterverse accounts and this type of response definitely reinforces the view that people are better of without it.The difference being I wouldn’t be “Jesus Christing” all over the place about your opinion or introducing rules around how or why you form an opinion. Tell you what, when MS is employed or headhunted by another professional football league side in any of the top 5 divisions I shall happily admit my assumptions around his football knowledge was wrong. how about that? I’d also delete my original post if I hadn’t already done so.
Meantime I refer you to the main point of the post, rather than this ludicrous side track, but, to be fully frank, I really don’t give two tuppeny fucks what you think, it’s my opinion and I am Okay with it, thanks
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Garner sounds an interesting candidate and his experience at Swindon would prepare him well - good win rate as well.
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“Of course we talked to Michael. We’ve also been a little more ambitious than that, in terms of the level of managers we’ve been reaching for.”Apart from being insulting and the reports suggest this isn’t happening, you have to wonder what “really ambitious” would look like? Conference?
After 20 days how has “more ambitious” than Beale morphed into a league two manager?1 -
That quote is from around November last year.IAgree said:Garner sounds an interesting candidate and his experience at Swindon would prepare him well - good win rate as well.
However…….
“Of course we talked to Michael. We’ve also been a little more ambitious than that, in terms of the level of managers we’ve been reaching for.”Apart from being insulting and the reports suggest this isn’t happening, you have to wonder what “really ambitious” would look like? Conference?
After 20 days how has “more ambitious” than Beale morphed into a league two manager?2 -
My bad - didn’t realise - however it was still a bit insulting and there is a gulf between the stated ambition and realityScoham said:
That quote is from around November last year.IAgree said:Garner sounds an interesting candidate and his experience at Swindon would prepare him well - good win rate as well.
However…….
“Of course we talked to Michael. We’ve also been a little more ambitious than that, in terms of the level of managers we’ve been reaching for.”Apart from being insulting and the reports suggest this isn’t happening, you have to wonder what “really ambitious” would look like? Conference?
After 20 days how has “more ambitious” than Beale morphed into a league two manager?
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I’m just going to watch 20/20 till we get a manager!IAgree said:
My bad - didn’t realise - however it was still a bit insulting and there is a gulf between the stated ambition and realityScoham said:
That quote is from around November last year.IAgree said:Garner sounds an interesting candidate and his experience at Swindon would prepare him well - good win rate as well.
However…….
“Of course we talked to Michael. We’ve also been a little more ambitious than that, in terms of the level of managers we’ve been reaching for.”Apart from being insulting and the reports suggest this isn’t happening, you have to wonder what “really ambitious” would look like? Conference?
After 20 days how has “more ambitious” than Beale morphed into a league two manager?0 -
I have absolutely nothing to back this up but I reckon it will be announced tomorrow:)4
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The Inevitable anti-climax unfolds.
After weeks of tension, a bloke we have never heard of from the football metropolis of Swindon.
In what way is he an improvement on Jackson ?
Hand me the season ticket application form so I can set fire to it.
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