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Is that a guess or based on anything? Given the time it’s taken and suggestions we’re still interviewing it wouldn’t be surprising to find the job has been turned down.Swisdom said:We may still be interviewing to give us alternatives / plan B in case plan A doesn’t accept or we just want to be thorough. There were a LOT of applicants
a new manager isn’t going to have made much impact with the previous season still ongoing so we’ve really not missed out on much I wouldn’t think. The players are all away, the recruitment team are beavering away on an assortment of targets and things will get into action in a couple of weeks - presumably with a new manager in place by then.
until then I’m not alarmed. If we are being thorough I am not alarmed. If we have plenty of interest I am not alarmed
if lots of people are rejecting us, I’m alarmed but don’t believe this to be the case.2 -
Everyone keep calm and listen to the voice of swisdom.Swisdom said:We may still be interviewing to give us alternatives / plan B in case plan A doesn’t accept or we just want to be thorough. There were a LOT of applicants
a new manager isn’t going to have made much impact with the previous season still ongoing so we’ve really not missed out on much I wouldn’t think. The players are all away, the recruitment team are beavering away on an assortment of targets and things will get into action in a couple of weeks - presumably with a new manager in place by then.
until then I’m not alarmed. If we are being thorough I am not alarmed. If we have plenty of interest I am not alarmed
if lots of people are rejecting us, I’m alarmed but don’t believe this to be the case.7 -
Seems everyone has forgotten how an interview process works, I’ve interviewed before, over 1-2 weeks, I didn’t give it to the first person I liked, I interviewed all the candidates that applied then assessed at the end with an offer, worked down the chain after that if the first choice declined.17
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Yeah but football doesnt operate the same as "real world" business´ you dont tend to see a drawn out application and interviewing process, most boards tend to know who they want and get their man in, rather than taking applications from everyone going.
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If it’s Beale might not still be announced for a couple of days .. don’t have to be todaybromleyjohn said:If beale is our man then It will have to be announced today, the season being over and ground work to be done2 -
Spot on .. plus if our main target was still involved at his club then you have to wait simpleDA9 said:Seems everyone has forgotten how an interview process works, I’ve interviewed before, over 1-2 weeks, I didn’t give it to the first person I liked, I interviewed all the candidates that applied then assessed at the end with an offer, worked down the chain after that if the first choice declined.
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The same voice who told us we should see how Paul Elliott gets on with running the club and later described him as a good egg?cfgs said:
Everyone keep calm and listen to the voice of swisdom.Swisdom said:We may still be interviewing to give us alternatives / plan B in case plan A doesn’t accept or we just want to be thorough. There were a LOT of applicants
a new manager isn’t going to have made much impact with the previous season still ongoing so we’ve really not missed out on much I wouldn’t think. The players are all away, the recruitment team are beavering away on an assortment of targets and things will get into action in a couple of weeks - presumably with a new manager in place by then.
until then I’m not alarmed. If we are being thorough I am not alarmed. If we have plenty of interest I am not alarmed
if lots of people are rejecting us, I’m alarmed but don’t believe this to be the case.4 -
You may get 10 applications, you may get 50, you don’t have to interview them all, I binned quite a few in the initial process before inviting the others for an interviewCL_Phantom said:Yeah but football doesnt operate the same as "real world" business´ you dont tend to see a drawn out application and interviewing process, most boards tend to know who they want and get their man in, rather than taking applications from everyone going.0 -
Given who @Swisdom is and his connections to the club I'd say it is more than a guess.Scoham said:
Is that a guess or based on anything? Given the time it’s taken and suggestions we’re still interviewing it wouldn’t be surprising to find the job has been turned down.Swisdom said:We may still be interviewing to give us alternatives / plan B in case plan A doesn’t accept or we just want to be thorough. There were a LOT of applicants
a new manager isn’t going to have made much impact with the previous season still ongoing so we’ve really not missed out on much I wouldn’t think. The players are all away, the recruitment team are beavering away on an assortment of targets and things will get into action in a couple of weeks - presumably with a new manager in place by then.
until then I’m not alarmed. If we are being thorough I am not alarmed. If we have plenty of interest I am not alarmed
if lots of people are rejecting us, I’m alarmed but don’t believe this to be the case.4 -
I think you may be mistaken. I never met that Paul Elliott - I met the former central defender version (Richard Rufus’ mate)JohnnyH2 said:
The same voice who told us we should see how Paul Elliott gets on with running the club and later described him as a good egg?cfgs said:
Everyone keep calm and listen to the voice of swisdom.Swisdom said:We may still be interviewing to give us alternatives / plan B in case plan A doesn’t accept or we just want to be thorough. There were a LOT of applicants
a new manager isn’t going to have made much impact with the previous season still ongoing so we’ve really not missed out on much I wouldn’t think. The players are all away, the recruitment team are beavering away on an assortment of targets and things will get into action in a couple of weeks - presumably with a new manager in place by then.
until then I’m not alarmed. If we are being thorough I am not alarmed. If we have plenty of interest I am not alarmed
if lots of people are rejecting us, I’m alarmed but don’t believe this to be the case.
all I’m likely to have said is to give the guy a chance. As with everything now people make a snap decision / I’d always prefer to judge for myself rather than what I’m told I should feel about someone.
I also said to the Roland haters to “be careful what they wished for” and along came Southall - whom I also never met
the truth is there is a process ongoing, we haven’t missed out on anything and we need to wait and see how it ends. On one hand people are pressuring the club to “get it right” and then in the next breath to “fucking get on with it”….I know which I would rather do
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Maybe that’s why football has such a high turnover of managers and such a high failure rate. It would be in my opinion negligent not to see who throws their hat into the ring before making a decision. Of course there will be preferred targets but I don’t see what Charlton are doing at this point is an issue. If some high profile ambitious targets have been sounded out and rejected us then the interview process is even less surprising.CL_Phantom said:Yeah but football doesnt operate the same as "real world" business´ you dont tend to see a drawn out application and interviewing process, most boards tend to know who they want and get their man in, rather than taking applications from everyone going.7 -
My take is that Beale is first choice. However he wanted to wait until end of season before deciding.Sensibly, in the meantime, we need a backup approach in case he says no … so we continue to interview.Taylor is plan B, but because we are waiting for Beale, we carry on interviewing to make it look like we have not yet made a decision and ask him to wait until we have finished.Beale or Taylor to be announced this week.4
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Erm, whilst I do rate @Swisdom as a knowledgeable and sensible poster that was simply a poor attempt at a pun.JohnnyH2 said:
The same voice who told us we should see how Paul Elliott gets on with running the club and later described him as a good egg?cfgs said:
Everyone keep calm and listen to the voice of swisdom.Swisdom said:We may still be interviewing to give us alternatives / plan B in case plan A doesn’t accept or we just want to be thorough. There were a LOT of applicants
a new manager isn’t going to have made much impact with the previous season still ongoing so we’ve really not missed out on much I wouldn’t think. The players are all away, the recruitment team are beavering away on an assortment of targets and things will get into action in a couple of weeks - presumably with a new manager in place by then.
until then I’m not alarmed. If we are being thorough I am not alarmed. If we have plenty of interest I am not alarmed
if lots of people are rejecting us, I’m alarmed but don’t believe this to be the case.1 -
Look, Pep has just won the Premier League, he cant just quit for us straight away.
Have patience, he'll join when the hangover is gone.4 -
Beale's side were two up and then let in three goals in five minutes.
Not good enough for us
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https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/88469/cafc-bonkers-shenanigans-confidential-stuff-sra-investigation-clears-farnell-p1578/p1118Swisdom said:
I think you may be mistaken. I never met that Paul Elliott - I met the former central defender version (Richard Rufus’ mate)JohnnyH2 said:
The same voice who told us we should see how Paul Elliott gets on with running the club and later described him as a good egg?cfgs said:
Everyone keep calm and listen to the voice of swisdom.Swisdom said:We may still be interviewing to give us alternatives / plan B in case plan A doesn’t accept or we just want to be thorough. There were a LOT of applicants
a new manager isn’t going to have made much impact with the previous season still ongoing so we’ve really not missed out on much I wouldn’t think. The players are all away, the recruitment team are beavering away on an assortment of targets and things will get into action in a couple of weeks - presumably with a new manager in place by then.
until then I’m not alarmed. If we are being thorough I am not alarmed. If we have plenty of interest I am not alarmed
if lots of people are rejecting us, I’m alarmed but don’t believe this to be the case.
all I’m likely to have said is to give the guy a chance. As with everything now people make a snap decision / I’d always prefer to judge for myself rather than what I’m told I should feel about someone.
I also said to the Roland haters to “be careful what they wished for” and along came Southall - whom I also never met
the truth is there is a process ongoing, we haven’t missed out on anything and we need to wait and see how it ends. On one hand people are pressuring the club to “get it right” and then in the next breath to “fucking get on with it”….I know which I would rather do
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You'll need someone who actually knows more about L1 football than I do to answer that. But you'd imagine any of the bigger clubs in L1 whose season didn't meet expectations, or who finished the season particularly badly? It's that time of the year when we'll start finding out I guess. But perhaps we have first dibs and no one else is interested in them, fair point.cafcfan1990 said:
Who?JamesSeed said:Always worth remembering that if we’re after Beale, Taylor and the rest, then so are other clubs.It’s possibly unlikely that we’ll get our first choice. Or even our second choice. We’ll see.0 -
He was responsible for the performance until the 75th minute, when he said to Gerrard "As I am leaving you should start learning how to manage, so you take the last 15 minutes."Henry Irving said:Beale's side were two up and then let in three goals in five minutes.
Not good enough for us
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Didn't realise that.cfgs said:
He was responsible for the performance until the 75th minute, when he said to Gerrard "As I am leaving you should start learning how to manage, so you take the last 15 minutes."Henry Irving said:Beale's side were two up and then let in three goals in five minutes.
Not good enough for us
Good to know he can delegate and gives others learning opportunities on the job.7 -
Henry Irving said:Beale's side were two up and then let in three goals in five minutes.
Not good enough for us
So, by the same premise Euell was responsible for our poor showing, not Jacko...
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I did on the "name the date" thread.CL_Phantom said:Has anyone said we're waiting for the champions League final to finish yet?
Klopp is going to be furious if we appoint someone before he has had the chance of an interview 🙂.1 -
It's partly because you have between twenty and twenty four clubs in a league, and only a small handful of them can be successful, if the aim of the game is to win the league or get promoted.ShootersHillGuru said:
Maybe that’s why football has such a high turnover of managers and such a high failure rate. It would be in my opinion negligent not to see who throws their hat into the ring before making a decision. Of course there will be preferred targets but I don’t see what Charlton are doing at this point is an issue. If some high profile ambitious targets have been sounded out and rejected us then the interview process is even less surprising.CL_Phantom said:Yeah but football doesnt operate the same as "real world" business´ you dont tend to see a drawn out application and interviewing process, most boards tend to know who they want and get their man in, rather than taking applications from everyone going.
Of course for some clubs the aim of the game is survival, and they're the clubs who tend to keep their managers for longer, but for the rest the temptation is often going to be to find a different formula, especially when a club has ambitions that aren't being met.
Sunderland is a good example. In Alex Neil (edit!) they brought in just the right manager for them, as just the right time. Bingo.0 -
Alex Neil, Not McLeishJamesSeed said:
It's partly because you have between twenty and twenty four clubs in a league, and only a small handful of them can be successful, if the aim of the game is to win the league or get promoted.ShootersHillGuru said:
Maybe that’s why football has such a high turnover of managers and such a high failure rate. It would be in my opinion negligent not to see who throws their hat into the ring before making a decision. Of course there will be preferred targets but I don’t see what Charlton are doing at this point is an issue. If some high profile ambitious targets have been sounded out and rejected us then the interview process is even less surprising.CL_Phantom said:Yeah but football doesnt operate the same as "real world" business´ you dont tend to see a drawn out application and interviewing process, most boards tend to know who they want and get their man in, rather than taking applications from everyone going.
Of course for some clubs the aim of the game is survival, and they're the clubs who tend to keep their managers for longer, but for the rest the temptation is often going to be to find a different formula, especially when a club has ambitions that aren't being met.
Sunderland is a good example. In McLeish they brought in just the right manager for them, as just the right time. Bingo.1 -
I have no idea who 90% of posters are on here, so do tell.Henry Irving said:
Given who @Swisdom is and his connections to the club I'd say it is more than a guess.Scoham said:
Is that a guess or based on anything? Given the time it’s taken and suggestions we’re still interviewing it wouldn’t be surprising to find the job has been turned down.Swisdom said:We may still be interviewing to give us alternatives / plan B in case plan A doesn’t accept or we just want to be thorough. There were a LOT of applicants
a new manager isn’t going to have made much impact with the previous season still ongoing so we’ve really not missed out on much I wouldn’t think. The players are all away, the recruitment team are beavering away on an assortment of targets and things will get into action in a couple of weeks - presumably with a new manager in place by then.
until then I’m not alarmed. If we are being thorough I am not alarmed. If we have plenty of interest I am not alarmed
if lots of people are rejecting us, I’m alarmed but don’t believe this to be the case.0 -
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I have no idea who 90% of posters are on here, so do tell.Henry Irving said:
Given who @Swisdom is and his connections to the club I'd say it is more than a guess.Scoham said:
Is that a guess or based on anything? Given the time it’s taken and suggestions we’re still interviewing it wouldn’t be surprising to find the job has been turned down.Swisdom said:We may still be interviewing to give us alternatives / plan B in case plan A doesn’t accept or we just want to be thorough. There were a LOT of applicants
a new manager isn’t going to have made much impact with the previous season still ongoing so we’ve really not missed out on much I wouldn’t think. The players are all away, the recruitment team are beavering away on an assortment of targets and things will get into action in a couple of weeks - presumably with a new manager in place by then.
until then I’m not alarmed. If we are being thorough I am not alarmed. If we have plenty of interest I am not alarmed
if lots of people are rejecting us, I’m alarmed but don’t believe this to be the case.0 -
Of course. Cheers for that.shirty5 said:
Alex Neil, Not McLeishJamesSeed said:
It's partly because you have between twenty and twenty four clubs in a league, and only a small handful of them can be successful, if the aim of the game is to win the league or get promoted.ShootersHillGuru said:
Maybe that’s why football has such a high turnover of managers and such a high failure rate. It would be in my opinion negligent not to see who throws their hat into the ring before making a decision. Of course there will be preferred targets but I don’t see what Charlton are doing at this point is an issue. If some high profile ambitious targets have been sounded out and rejected us then the interview process is even less surprising.CL_Phantom said:Yeah but football doesnt operate the same as "real world" business´ you dont tend to see a drawn out application and interviewing process, most boards tend to know who they want and get their man in, rather than taking applications from everyone going.
Of course for some clubs the aim of the game is survival, and they're the clubs who tend to keep their managers for longer, but for the rest the temptation is often going to be to find a different formula, especially when a club has ambitions that aren't being met.
Sunderland is a good example. In McLeish they brought in just the right manager for them, as just the right time. Bingo.0 -
I may be wrong but I think speculation that an appointment hadn't been made due to the season finishing etc has turned in fact for some.
I think a few people have convinced themselves it will happen today or tomorrow and that Beale and Taylor are the choices based on no real evidence other than betting odds.
And as golfie proved, betting odds are meaningless. They follow the money placed. Hence Martin Sandgaard appearing on the list of the one bookie who took Golfies £20.
The club have said nothing.
Cawley has ruled a few people out but nobody in.
Sandgaard was willing to take his time to buy the club.
Sandgaard was in no rush to appoint Jackson. Ironically there where loud calls to appoint JJ from many who a few months later wanted him gone but I digress.
Sandgaard also took his time to agree a contract with JJ.
So the pattern appears to be that Sandgaard is happy to do things at his pace, not that of the fan base.
Unfortunately, he does seem to want to rush other things, like Fill the Valley which was initially a great success v Plymouth but TS then insisted on repeating it immediately and again and again against advice.
So, TS works at his own pace.
I also believe his self-confidence and ambition means he underestimates the market.
He thought last summer we could buy up the best players in league 1 and 2 easily. He didn't factor in championship clubs fishing in the same pond or Ipswich and Wigan hugely outbidding us.
So my speculation is that TS thought we would be a lot more attractive to a lot of potential managers and has found out were not, added to which he doesn't see any reason to rush to appoint someone.
All of which guess work tells me it won't be today, tomorrow or next week even.
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Henry Irving said:
Given who @Swisdom is and his connections to the club I'd say it is more than a guess.Scoham said:
Is that a guess or based on anything? Given the time it’s taken and suggestions we’re still interviewing it wouldn’t be surprising to find the job has been turned down.Swisdom said:We may still be interviewing to give us alternatives / plan B in case plan A doesn’t accept or we just want to be thorough. There were a LOT of applicants
a new manager isn’t going to have made much impact with the previous season still ongoing so we’ve really not missed out on much I wouldn’t think. The players are all away, the recruitment team are beavering away on an assortment of targets and things will get into action in a couple of weeks - presumably with a new manager in place by then.
until then I’m not alarmed. If we are being thorough I am not alarmed. If we have plenty of interest I am not alarmed
if lots of people are rejecting us, I’m alarmed but don’t believe this to be the case.
Steve Wisdom is Norman Wisdom's Grandson and like his Granddad was a fine footballer. Steve did fall over a tad too much but was highly rated in the Kent League where he was similar to Stanley Matthews and had the nickname: The Dizzard of the Wibble.4 -
I thought you were meant to be ignoring meRoanRedNY said:
I don’t think I have ever read such complete bollocks wrapped in strangled logic, but if it makes you happy, you carry on. What I do know is MS would not hold the job he has based on football knowledge and his CV in any other professional football club. That’s a fact, and when it isn’t I’ll admit it. Meantime 1 throw away line has you bent double about MS for some reason, and just being a bit of a cock about it. I don’t agree with you, you’re free not to agree with me but this constant drivel about a throw away line is quite laughable if it wasn’t so sillyGarrymanilow said:
Thank you, I enjoyed this. It was nonsense entirely, but I enjoyed it. You're talking about tolerance for opinions, which I can assure you everyone on here has, but the point I am making - over and over again sadly - is that you cannot possibly have any basis for your claim that Martin Sandgaard knows 'SFA about football'. It is purest conjecture based on nothing. People can have tolerance for an opinion based on something i.e. x player isn't good or 'I don't think hiring MS is a good idea based on his lack of footballing background' - a perfectly valid thing to think - but your claim that he doesn't know anything about football is completely baseless. Unless of course you've worked with him before and you can base that on something real. It's not a 'nonsense guide rail' to think that you should actually have some knowledge about something before you spaff your opinions all over a message board. I don't want you to admit your assumptions are wrong if he's great at his job, I want you to be happy that we've got a good person involved in signing our players! I wouldn't want you to delete your original post either, I just think you can't just brazenly state something like that about someone's knowledge without knowing a thing about him. You absolute loon.RoanRedNY said:
As your twisted logic turns into a pretzel, you may have noticed you completely missed the whole point of my original, now deleted post, in your zeal to do exactly what the post suggested would be better if we didn’t - I know right, lots of words. I was asking for a level of tolerance of which you are clearly incapable. The real blood pressure riser for you seems to be my throw away on MS not knowing about football. Whereas you can disparage a player who has over 100 more professional football appearances than you, I am guessing, I am also fully entitled to my opinion (right or wrong) without you screaming about nonsense guide rails and imposing subjectivities - like I have to know him personally to form an opinion - and likewise you are very welcome to your opinions on Morgan or anyone else.Garrymanilow said:
Jesus Christ. Of course we can all post opinions on tactics and players, but typically we have some concept of the things we're looking at. I don't think Albie Morgan is very good for instance, but I base that on what I've seen. Given that Martin Sandgaard is new on the scene I don't see how we can know anything about him (unless you know him, which is why I added that). Yet despite that you've stated that he 'knows SFA about football', and in the same breath complained that people are making assumptions. You can have reservations and concerns about what's going on at the club, I do too, but I just don't see on what basis you've claimed MS doesn't know anything about football, and the fact you've done that while moaning about people making assumptions is incredible to me, that's all. As for whatever you're talking about at the end there I have no idea. Can't help you with that.RoanRedNY said:
Hope you are Okay after your lie down - you need it as your logic must be strangling you. Your irony in pointing out the irony is well noted.Garrymanilow said:
The highlighted irony here is why people do sometimes get annoyed at fans posting their concerns. What do you honestly know about Martin Sandgaard, other than what you've decided you know about him? Unless you know him personally, I suspect very little. So why are you insulting his football knowledge? It's true, he might not even know what shape the ball they use is, but I think it's slightly more likely that you're making a sweeping assumption, barbed with an insult, based on conjecture, which is exactly what you're complaining about other people doing. I think I need a lie down actually, this might have finished me.RoanRedNY said:it’s a real shame that recently fans can’t seem to just post their concerns about the team, recruitment, TS, MS, which are all valid - without a vociferous minority sweepingly insulting or abusing CL or posters with whom they don’t agree. We are not entitled, or comparing to previous shit owners, TS “bashers” or stupid, we are simply concerned fans. TS is the owner, but has said and done some bizarre things which give cause for concern, and done some of those things very strangely. His son knows SFA about football and an estimation of 10x the average sky viewer is an overestimate by about 10. Recruitment and some of the back room structure is and continues to be an issue, concerns over management and new player recruitment are equally valid. Let everyone have their say without sweeping generalizations or insults. Doesn’t need to be that way just because some don’t agree. It’s all opinion and conjecture and no-one on this forum has the “I’m always right” stick.Assuming very few of the people on here have worked for a professional football club or played or managed at a professional level, we all still post about players, managers, clubs, training, formation, tactics and share our views/concerns, but apparently someone with absolutely no football connection, no football CV and probably not posting on this forum is not fair game unless I am lifelong mates with him.That’s really your point to a post simply asking for a little more tolerance of different views? Good grief.My original post has been deleted and the forum closed for me. I hate social media, have no twitterverse accounts and this type of response definitely reinforces the view that people are better of without it.The difference being I wouldn’t be “Jesus Christing” all over the place about your opinion or introducing rules around how or why you form an opinion. Tell you what, when MS is employed or headhunted by another professional football league side in any of the top 5 divisions I shall happily admit my assumptions around his football knowledge was wrong. how about that? I’d also delete my original post if I hadn’t already done so.
Meantime I refer you to the main point of the post, rather than this ludicrous side track, but, to be fully frank, I really don’t give two tuppeny fucks what you think, it’s my opinion and I am Okay with it, thanks
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I think there are two completely different was you can do this.
We only have 5 or 6 squad spaces and 3 or 4 of these are probably ring fenced for people the recruitment team have already identified and will come in, or not, whonever the manager is.
So you either get the manager in early and he/she can look at the analysis of the current players, watch videos, speak to Euell and the players and decide who are in his plans and who aren't.
Or wait and do all that in preseason and potentially do a lot of business, again, at the end of the window. Both in and out.
Personally I don't think 3 or 4 players, better coaching, different formations and tactics are going to turn this squad into top 6 material. I think it's nearer 10 so the out goings are going to be as important as the in comings.
If you think we are only a hand full of players away (and have total confidence in the recruitment system to get it right) and coaching will make up the difference there really is no rush. I suspect that's Thomas's veiw of it.1
