We all know TS is unconventional....what if he's considering something pioneering and never seen in English football before?
Inspired by the Gritt/ Curbishley "duo of managers" which triggered our most successful recent period he is now implementing a "quartet of managers" and is due to announce Garner, Clough, Taylor and Beale as football's fantastic foursome?
4 times the brains = 4 times the success.
The more I think about this the more I like it.
Can we just have Clough and Taylor?
Over their dead bodies
We could always have Nigel Clough and Charlton legend Lyle Taylor.
Why are we not linked to the Port Vale manager, beat both Garner and Clough in the playoffs.
Just signed a 5 year contract and given his family circumstances is highly unlikely to want to move.
Agree: Darrell Clarke lost his 18 year old daughter recently and had 6 weeks compassionate leave and Crosby picked the side in Clarke's absent. I didn't see the final but I believe Darrell told Crosby to lead the team out. Sometimes in life and death you can't just up sticks and move on.
Why are we not linked to the Port Vale manager, beat both Garner and Clough in the playoffs.
Just signed a 5 year contract and given his family circumstances is highly unlikely to want to move.
Agree: Darrell Clarke lost his 18 year old daughter recently and had 6 weeks compassionate leave and Crosby picked the side in Clarke's absent. I didn't see the final but I believe Darrell told Crosby to lead the team out. Sometimes in life and death you can't just up sticks and move on.
Now if Crosby had been in the job he should have been last summer we might not be in this mess........
Why are we not linked to the Port Vale manager, beat both Garner and Clough in the playoffs.
Just signed a 5 year contract and given his family circumstances is highly unlikely to want to move.
Agree: Darrell Clarke lost his 18 year old daughter recently and had 6 weeks compassionate leave and Crosby picked the side in Clarke's absent. I didn't see the final but I believe Darrell told Crosby to lead the team out. Sometimes in life and death you can't just up sticks and move on.
Now if Crosby had been in the job he should have been last summer we might not be in this mess........
Excellent point.
Would Adkins have achieved more had he brought his trusted lieutenant?
Why are we not linked to the Port Vale manager, beat both Garner and Clough in the playoffs.
Just signed a 5 year contract and given his family circumstances is highly unlikely to want to move.
Agree: Darrell Clarke lost his 18 year old daughter recently and had 6 weeks compassionate leave and Crosby picked the side in Clarke's absent. I didn't see the final but I believe Darrell told Crosby to lead the team out. Sometimes in life and death you can't just up sticks and move on.
Now if Crosby had been in the job he should have been last summer we might not be in this mess........
Excellent point.
Would Adkins have achieved more had he brought his trusted lieutenant?
Not just on its own no. IIRC Crosby signed a short term contract at Vale just before Adkins got our job. The fact he didn't come in the summer was the first, not necessarily red flag, but incling something wasn't as it should have been.
Why are we not linked to the Port Vale manager, beat both Garner and Clough in the playoffs.
Just signed a 5 year contract and given his family circumstances is highly unlikely to want to move.
Agree: Darrell Clarke lost his 18 year old daughter recently and had 6 weeks compassionate leave and Crosby picked the side in Clarke's absent. I didn't see the final but I believe Darrell told Crosby to lead the team out. Sometimes in life and death you can't just up sticks and move on.
Now if Crosby had been in the job he should have been last summer we might not be in this mess........
Excellent point.
Would Adkins have achieved more had he brought his trusted lieutenant?
Not if the front 3 was Washington on the left wing, Stockley isolated in the middle and DJ struggling to get into the game on the right at the beginning of this season.
If Conor hadn't been injured after two minutes into Nigel Adkins reign then possibly the season before last as Washington was in a purple patch but haven't we established that coaches implement what the manager requires. If a coach is going to dictate the formation then he is being short changed by just being a coach. Crosby only picked the team at Port Vale because of the circumstances of Darrell Clarke for six weeks.
If's and buts.
I still think JJ getting 17 wins out of 35 matches in the two spells is par for the course for the "worse squad in living memory"
The mistake JJ made was saying there is quality in this squad in public so when the bad run came as soon as he was made permanent manager then questions are asked " where is the quality"
Why are we not linked to the Port Vale manager, beat both Garner and Clough in the playoffs.
Just signed a 5 year contract and given his family circumstances is highly unlikely to want to move.
Agree: Darrell Clarke lost his 18 year old daughter recently and had 6 weeks compassionate leave and Crosby picked the side in Clarke's absent. I didn't see the final but I believe Darrell told Crosby to lead the team out. Sometimes in life and death you can't just up sticks and move on.
Now if Crosby had been in the job he should have been last summer we might not be in this mess........
Excellent point.
Would Adkins have achieved more had he brought his trusted lieutenant?
Not if the front 3 was Washington on the left wing, Stockley isolated in the middle and DJ struggling to get into the game on the right at the beginning of this season.
If Conor hadn't been injured after two minutes into Nigel Adkins reign then possibly the season before last as Washington was in a purple patch but haven't we established that coaches implement what the manager requires. If a coach is going to dictate the formation then he is being short changed by just being a coach. Crosby only picked the team at Port Vale because of the circumstances of Darrell Clarke for six weeks.
If's and buts.
I still think JJ getting 17 wins out of 35 matches in the two spells is par for the course for the "worse squad in living memory"
The mistake JJ made was saying there is quality in this squad in public so when the bad run came as soon as he was made permanent manager then questions are asked " where is the quality"
At the same time if we had actually had the players to play the system, the manager had made clear, that was his preference who's fault is that?
He could have course played a different system but when you look at the players we had available for the first few games I would ask what system?
Why are we not linked to the Port Vale manager, beat both Garner and Clough in the playoffs.
Just signed a 5 year contract and given his family circumstances is highly unlikely to want to move.
Agree: Darrell Clarke lost his 18 year old daughter recently and had 6 weeks compassionate leave and Crosby picked the side in Clarke's absent. I didn't see the final but I believe Darrell told Crosby to lead the team out. Sometimes in life and death you can't just up sticks and move on.
Now if Crosby had been in the job he should have been last summer we might not be in this mess........
Excellent point.
Would Adkins have achieved more had he brought his trusted lieutenant?
Not if the front 3 was Washington on the left wing, Stockley isolated in the middle and DJ struggling to get into the game on the right at the beginning of this season.
If Conor hadn't been injured after two minutes into Nigel Adkins reign then possibly the season before last as Washington was in a purple patch but haven't we established that coaches implement what the manager requires. If a coach is going to dictate the formation then he is being short changed by just being a coach. Crosby only picked the team at Port Vale because of the circumstances of Darrell Clarke for six weeks.
If's and buts.
I still think JJ getting 17 wins out of 35 matches in the two spells is par for the course for the "worse squad in living memory"
The mistake JJ made was saying there is quality in this squad in public so when the bad run came as soon as he was made permanent manager then questions are asked " where is the quality"
At the same time if we had actually had the players to play the system, the manager had made clear, that was his preference who's fault is that?
He could have course played a different system but when you look at the players we had available for the first few games I would ask what system?
A flat 442 or a diamond were the obvious choices. Not saying we'd have been successful with either and depth for any of system was clearly lacking.
BetVictor still doesn’t have odds for our next manager but has odds for the next Swindon job so surely it must be a done deal with us and Garner…. Why the delay? Or am I missing something?
BetVictor still doesn’t have odds for our next manager but has odds for the next Swindon job so surely it must be a done deal with us and Garner…. Why the delay? Or am I missing something?
One has been coaching for years & the other one is still living off his fathers exploits.
You do realise Clouch has been in management for 14 years right? Minus a bit of time without a club of course.
And has just led Mansfield to the play off final. Although his managerial career has been nowhere near the level of his old man, he has still done pretty well and you don’t have as many jobs as he has had without knowing what you’re doing….
Still not convinced he’s be the man for us though….
BetVictor still doesn’t have odds for our next manager but has odds for the next Swindon job so surely it must be a done deal with us and Garner…. Why the delay? Or am I missing something?
Yes, betting odds just reflect money laid not what is actually happening.
Why are we not linked to the Port Vale manager, beat both Garner and Clough in the playoffs.
Just signed a 5 year contract and given his family circumstances is highly unlikely to want to move.
Agree: Darrell Clarke lost his 18 year old daughter recently and had 6 weeks compassionate leave and Crosby picked the side in Clarke's absent. I didn't see the final but I believe Darrell told Crosby to lead the team out. Sometimes in life and death you can't just up sticks and move on.
Now if Crosby had been in the job he should have been last summer we might not be in this mess........
Excellent point.
Would Adkins have achieved more had he brought his trusted lieutenant?
Not if the front 3 was Washington on the left wing, Stockley isolated in the middle and DJ struggling to get into the game on the right at the beginning of this season.
If Conor hadn't been injured after two minutes into Nigel Adkins reign then possibly the season before last as Washington was in a purple patch but haven't we established that coaches implement what the manager requires. If a coach is going to dictate the formation then he is being short changed by just being a coach. Crosby only picked the team at Port Vale because of the circumstances of Darrell Clarke for six weeks.
If's and buts.
I still think JJ getting 17 wins out of 35 matches in the two spells is par for the course for the "worse squad in living memory"
The mistake JJ made was saying there is quality in this squad in public so when the bad run came as soon as he was made permanent manager then questions are asked " where is the quality"
At the same time if we had actually had the players to play the system, the manager had made clear, that was his preference who's fault is that?
He could have course played a different system but when you look at the players we had available for the first few games I would ask what system?
A flat 442 or a diamond were the obvious choices. Not saying we'd have been successful with either and depth for any of system was clearly lacking.
4-4-2 may not be in fashion so much now but having two strikers closer together must help when Stockley can't be a lone striker. You have various options how the 4 are going to play in the midfield area. I like 3-5-2 but we obviously didn't have the fast full backs to make it successful every week. The games I saw wasn't a failure, until late on in the season when we attacked fine with 3-5-2 but were hit in transition as we couldn't get back into shape quick enough. The away games on Charlton TV were mainly poor with a couple of exceptions.
Nigel Adkins was dealt a poor hand to kick the season off, but unfortunately for me we lost every home game I saw live at the Valley this season Including the defeat to Wimbledon in the cup under Nigel. Was it Cheltenham when we were 2-0 down at HT and Craig Mac kept the score down.
Bizarrely i saw five wins in a row at the valley when we didn't concede a goal under JJ. Four 2-0 and a 1-0. I admit when the Step five game I was at was called off at 2pm I then looked at the starting 11 for the Oxford home game and decided not to get a ticket at the ground as Oxford were my nap away and the 4-0 summed up a miserable performance according to everyone.
Come on down Ben Garner if Ray the sausage man is correct.
If? As seems likely the manager employment contract will have performance targets and he will be given a squad of players to work with. Then which British manager would take the job.
One has been coaching for years & the other one is still living off his fathers exploits.
Just to be clear, I think clough would be bad purely because he isn't the young, up and coming manager that it's understood that the owner wants.
To see he is a manager because of what his dad achieved is crazy. The guy has been manager for over 1,300 games and has an okay record. A large number of his games have been tier 3 and below, with the highest level he has managed at is the second tier. That suggests to me that he has carved out a decent lower level career based on his own merits, not what his dad achieved 50 years earlier
If? As seems likely the manager employment contract will have performance targets and he will be given a squad of players to work with. Then which British manager would take the job.
One who like being gainfully employed I imagine. So most of them
One has been coaching for years & the other one is still living off his fathers exploits.
Just to be clear, I think clough would be bad purely because he isn't the young, up and coming manager that it's understood that the owner wants.
To see he is a manager because of what his dad achieved is crazy. The guy has been manager for over 1,300 games and has an okay record. A large number of his games have been tier 3 and below, with the highest level he has managed at is the second tier. That suggests to me that he has carved out a decent lower level career based on his own merits, not what his dad achieved 50 years earlier
Is that clear? Garner is the only name that has actually been linked at all but Thomas employed Adkins and then said they were aiming higher than Beale. Its quite hard to find an up and coming manager that's stepping down a level.
One has been coaching for years & the other one is still living off his fathers exploits.
You do write some complete and utter bxxxxxx without engaging the brain sometimes!
1,189 games as manager over the course of the last 22 years. If he can take Burton Albion for the first time in their history (capacity 6,912) into the Championship on their budget (and keep them there for two seasons) then I'm sure he's more than capable of doing the same for us.
The issue is that he's always managed in close proximity to his family home not his ability to manage.
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Darrell Clarke lost his 18 year old daughter recently and had 6 weeks compassionate leave and Crosby picked the side in Clarke's absent. I didn't see the final but I believe Darrell told Crosby to lead the team out.
Sometimes in life and death you can't just up sticks and move on.
Giving a handy response to both possibilities of joining us/not joining us.
Would Adkins have achieved more had he brought his trusted lieutenant?
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One has been coaching for years & the other one is still living off his fathers exploits.
Not if the front 3 was Washington on the left wing, Stockley isolated in the middle and DJ struggling to get into the game on the right at the beginning of this season.
If Conor hadn't been injured after two minutes into Nigel Adkins reign then possibly the season before last as Washington was in a purple patch but haven't we established that coaches implement what the manager requires. If a coach is going to dictate the formation then he is being short changed by just being a coach. Crosby only picked the team at Port Vale because of the circumstances of Darrell Clarke for six weeks.
If's and buts.
I still think JJ getting 17 wins out of 35 matches in the two spells is par for the course for the "worse squad in living memory"
The mistake JJ made was saying there is quality in this squad in public so when the bad run came as soon as he was made permanent manager then questions are asked " where is the quality"
He could have course played a different system but when you look at the players we had available for the first few games I would ask what system?
Still not convinced he’s be the man for us though….
4-4-2 may not be in fashion so much now but having two strikers closer together must help when Stockley can't be a lone striker.
You have various options how the 4 are going to play in the midfield area.
I like 3-5-2 but we obviously didn't have the fast full backs to make it successful every week. The games I saw wasn't a failure, until late on in the season when we attacked fine with 3-5-2 but were hit in transition as we couldn't get back into shape quick enough. The away games on Charlton TV were mainly poor with a couple of exceptions.
Nigel Adkins was dealt a poor hand to kick the season off, but unfortunately for me we lost every home game I saw live at the Valley this season Including the defeat to Wimbledon in the cup under Nigel. Was it Cheltenham when we were 2-0 down at HT and Craig Mac kept the score down.
Bizarrely i saw five wins in a row at the valley when we didn't concede a goal under JJ. Four 2-0 and a 1-0. I admit when the Step five game I was at was called off at 2pm I then looked at the starting 11 for the Oxford home game and decided not to get a ticket at the ground as Oxford were my nap away and the 4-0 summed up a miserable performance according to everyone.
Come on down Ben Garner if Ray the sausage man is correct.
To see he is a manager because of what his dad achieved is crazy. The guy has been manager for over 1,300 games and has an okay record. A large number of his games have been tier 3 and below, with the highest level he has managed at is the second tier. That suggests to me that he has carved out a decent lower level career based on his own merits, not what his dad achieved 50 years earlier
1,189 games as manager over the course of the last 22 years. If he can take Burton Albion for the first time in their history (capacity 6,912) into the Championship on their budget (and keep them there for two seasons) then I'm sure he's more than capable of doing the same for us.
The issue is that he's always managed in close proximity to his family home not his ability to manage.