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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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shine166 said:At this stage I really don't care if we get promoted, just want to watch half decent football and not leave the ground depressed more often than not.29
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CL is at its best when after the "underwhelmed" comments are out the way, some research takes place and we get an understanding of the man behind the name.
Good to see @ozaddick join the elite club.
Michael Beale, Ben Garner, Karl Robinson are all ex players that mainly because of injuries or they weren't good enough footballers became coaches in their early 20's.
To have success at football you normally needed to fail somewhere unless you have only worked with elite footballers. Charlton in the 3rd tier don't have elite footballers so you have to work and devise a system that works in League 1. Good luck with that Ben Garner or whoever.
Brighton-Poyet and Bournemouth-Howe were the two teams that were most pleasing on the eye in promotion years from the 3rd tier.
If at times we win like Rotherham then lets not complain because some days you win ugly. Better ball retention and passing and crosses from advanced positions would be progress.
Announce ASAP Thomas Sandgaard and then let the youngish coach have the casting vote with incoming transfers on the "committee" which we need to do early so new faces can gel and we hit the ground running and passing in late July when the 22/23 Season starts early.
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Stu_of_Kunming said:shine166 said:At this stage I really don't care if we get promoted, just want to watch half decent football and not leave the ground depressed more often than not.2
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Henry Irving said:balham red said:As stated above, I think Fraser would be a vital cog in Garner's system. That's exciting. I think Chuks and CBT will also be workable, maybe even Kirk.
I can't see how Stockley would fit in though.If it’s Garner I think we will go for Tyrece Simpson maybe who was at Swindon earlier in the season. I don’t think stockley is mobile enough or good enough with his feet for Garner-ball. For one up top in that system we will need more of an all-rounder like a Bonne rather than someone like stockley who has very clear strengths and weaknesses so you are forced to play to those strengths6 -
anyone know when Thomas arrives in the UK? I just want him to announce Garner so we can put this to bed and Ben can get down to the task of getting us out of League One. It's getting tedious now.15
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Scoham said:ricky_otto said:Braziliance said:ozaddick said:AndyG said:After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.
I don’t generally want tippy tappy football at the back but if it gets results and we’re one of the top scorers in the division then that’s very different to what we’ve seen before. Robinson and Peeters tried it but we didn’t have the players for it, especially not at the attacking end of the pitch. It could be great to watch if we get the right signings in.2 -
ricky_otto said:Braziliance said:ozaddick said:AndyG said:After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.
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Scoham said:If it’s announced today I’ll be exactly 16 years after we appointed Iain Dowie.That, as someone said on Twitter, was the beginning of the end.
We can only hope Garner is the start of the new beginning.
That was our sliding doors moment.
In a parallel universe Curbishley decides to stay at Cafc and Murray gives Alan the extra money that he gave to Dowie. Charlton not Leicester win the Premier and the FA cup after keeping most of the talented youngsters. Captain Joe Gomez, Ademola Lookman, Nick Pope, Konsa and Joe Aribo all sign long contracts at Cafc and everyone's happy.
Other than Golfie addick who states does Curbs need to retire in 2022 as Charlton only finish mid table in the Premier League.21 -
Garrymanilow said:ricky_otto said:Braziliance said:ozaddick said:AndyG said:After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.1 -
charltonbob said:paulfox said:charlton_hero said:I don't particularly want Garner, but I'm willing to get behind him.1
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Leuth said:Garrymanilow said:ricky_otto said:Braziliance said:ozaddick said:AndyG said:After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.4 -
shine166 said:Stu_of_Kunming said:shine166 said:At this stage I really don't care if we get promoted, just want to watch half decent football and not leave the ground depressed more often than not.2
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Scoham said:Leuth said:Garrymanilow said:ricky_otto said:Braziliance said:ozaddick said:AndyG said:After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.1 -
shine166 said:At this stage I really don't care if we get promoted, just want to watch half decent football and not leave the ground depressed more often than not.
Not sure how this might work though.0 -
Henry Irving said:balham red said:As stated above, I think Fraser would be a vital cog in Garner's system. That's exciting. I think Chuks and CBT will also be workable, maybe even Kirk.
I can't see how Stockley would fit in though.0 -
I'm so bored by this already. I can't believe it's taken so long. I'm pretty sure TS knew all along that JJ wasn't his man, so I thought he'd have a shortlist in mind already. Apparently I gave him far too much credit.4
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Chunes said:I'm so bored by this already. I can't believe it's taken so long. I'm pretty sure TS knew all along that JJ wasn't his man, so I thought he'd have a shortlist in mind already. Apparently I gave him far too much credit.
Warburton - wants to stay in The Championship.
Beale - wants a position in The Championship.
Taylor- prefers to stay in Exeter with wife & new baby.14 -
Chunes said:I'm so bored by this already. I can't believe it's taken so long. I'm pretty sure TS knew all along that JJ wasn't his man, so I thought he'd have a shortlist in mind already. Apparently I gave him far too much credit.I also think the clearly unwanted release of Garner’s name has worked in his favour a little bit as it’s given everyone a chance to get over their initial ‘WHO?! Moment’ do some research and see that as an appointment it makes sense and fits the promotion of youth and high pressing game that TS has been speaking about.Am sure not everyone will be happy, but it’s Charlton - If everyone is happy something very strange has happened.4
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Seen a rumour on twitter so take with a pinch of salt that the delay is due to TS adding in certain performance measures into the contact as JJ had which BG feels is unrealistic with budget/resources available so has not signed off on the contract yet.
As I said on twitter with no actual credibility so take with a pinch of but thought I would share as a possible reason for the delay and fits with Nixon comments the owner does things his own way comment.
I personally feel BG has agreed in principle and it is a case of ironing out the fine details of the contract. Similar seem to happen with JJ once it was leaked, they wanted him to have the job.
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I'm not sure about everyone, but I think the vast majority were very happy when Pardew was appointed.27
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soapboxsam said:Scoham said:If it’s announced today I’ll be exactly 16 years after we appointed Iain Dowie.That, as someone said on Twitter, was the beginning of the end.
We can only hope Garner is the start of the new beginning.
That was our sliding doors moment.
In a parallel universe Curbishley decides to stay at Cafc and Murray gives Alan the extra money that he gave to Dowie. Charlton not Leicester win the Premier and the FA cup after keeping most of the talented youngsters. Captain Joe Gomez, Ademola Lookman, Nick Pope, Konsa and Joe Aribo all sign long contracts at Cafc and everyone's happy.
Other than Golfie addick who states does Curbs need to retire in 2022 as Charlton only finish mid table in the Premier League.0 -
Covered End said:I'm not sure about everyone, but I think the vast majority were very happy when Pardew was appointed.
However that was because he was a slimy twat, I did think he would do a better job than he did mind.
IMO the only proper football manager, since Curbs, that has categorically failed on his own merits.0 -
If 'performance measures' I. E league position etc are linked to contractual severance payments in the event of a sacking, no manager would agree to that, would they?0
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The Prince-e-Paul said:If 'performance measures' I. E league position etc are linked to contractual severance payments in the event of a sacking, no manager would agree to that, would they?0
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Covered End said:I'm not sure about everyone, but I think the vast majority were very happy when Pardew was appointed.
There certainly weren't many dissenters when we battered Curbs' West Ham 4-07 -
addick1956 said:Henry Irving said:balham red said:As stated above, I think Fraser would be a vital cog in Garner's system. That's exciting. I think Chuks and CBT will also be workable, maybe even Kirk.
I can't see how Stockley would fit in though.3 -
The Prince-e-Paul said:If 'performance measures' I. E league position etc are linked to contractual severance payments in the event of a sacking, no manager would agree to that, would they?
Good question:
It's possible that If you are a coach and it's your first managers job and many of your peer group when accumulating the coaching badges, including the A licence are up for the Job, then to get a foot on the management ladder you may consider it.
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eastterrace6168 said:addick1956 said:Henry Irving said:balham red said:As stated above, I think Fraser would be a vital cog in Garner's system. That's exciting. I think Chuks and CBT will also be workable, maybe even Kirk.
I can't see how Stockley would fit in though.3 -
soapboxsam said:The Prince-e-Paul said:If 'performance measures' I. E league position etc are linked to contractual severance payments in the event of a sacking, no manager would agree to that, would they?
Good question:
It's possible that If you are a coach and it's your first managers job and many of your peer group when accumulating the coaching badges, including the A licence are up for the Job, then to get a foot on the management ladder you may consider it.2 -
eaststandmike said:soapboxsam said:This thread is now closing down until Monday.
Please go to the Martin data coaching etc thread for more gossip and minutiae on Sanderstead Junior.
Thank you for your input despite most of it having Jack shit to do with our next Manager.1