Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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Agree with @benjest1989 - we held onto Adkins for too long.2
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I think it is Garner and we are waiting for TS to come over. If it is virtually a done deal then you would hope that player recruits have been identified and initial approaches made.
It could also be that Garner isn't first choice and we are waiting for somebody like Beale who won't make his decision until he has ruled out other options like QPR.1 -
He obviously meant the clause relating to league position. That was pretty common knowledge and was even discussed on here.soapboxsam said:benjest1989 said:
The players knew the details of Jackson's contract. After the period of losses which coincided with us having no senior strikers, they knew he wouldn't be staying.soapboxsam said:Jackson was negotiating from a strong position as he took over in 22nd place and we were in an upward spiral, reaching 11th during the protracted negotiations. We definitely plateaued ( even dropped) after JJ lost the caretaker title. I would be interested in Steve Peters views on the Psychology of motivation and why it dipped when the job description changed. Strikers injured did have a say in that, full backs not suited to the rigours of game after game of covering so much ground ?
The fact that JJ'S first game as Caretaker was Sunderland away (100% home record) and not Doncaster at home the following week was maybe a clue that Thomas Sandgaard did have other plans for the next manager. A CL member said they knew who it was ? Shame they couldn't give more clues to who that was but I appreciate that sometimes you just can't.
Sandgaard seems to think he is a genius with these clauses. There is a reason no other club does things this way!
Wasted last season by not sacking Adkins earlier, wasted the season before by not getting rid of Bowyer earlier when it was clear he didn't want to be there, now wasting next season
I can't get my head around this.
"The players knew the details of JJ contract!"
Wages, and all the minutiae of a Professional contract ?
Unless Jackson left a copy for everyone to see or told everyone he had to finish in the top half of the table or admin leaked it to the players.
Crazy things happen at football clubs but struggling with this news 🤔
We all know there was doubt about JJ future at Cafc after Conor Washington and his agent meet Martin Sandgaard but no way can I believe Conor saw JJ contract and was told the team have to finish in top 12 or even 8.0 -
spot on. People last summer were concerned at the slow recruitment, labelled bedwetters, and look how that turned out.arny23394 said:Why are people labelled bedwetters for being concerned that we have no manager, and about 3 players good enough for a promotion chasing team? It’s exactly 2 months until our first game and we have so much to do. Bizarre.5 -
Or just shared the articles on the OS and SLP that said it at the time? Although they didn't specifically say 8th, 12th or what ever it was strongly hinted at. Not beyond the relms of possibility that someone asked him, or someone else, what contractual target was.soapboxsam said:benjest1989 said:
The players knew the details of Jackson's contract. After the period of losses which coincided with us having no senior strikers, they knew he wouldn't be staying.soapboxsam said:Jackson was negotiating from a strong position as he took over in 22nd place and we were in an upward spiral, reaching 11th during the protracted negotiations. We definitely plateaued ( even dropped) after JJ lost the caretaker title. I would be interested in Steve Peters views on the Psychology of motivation and why it dipped when the job description changed. Strikers injured did have a say in that, full backs not suited to the rigours of game after game of covering so much ground ?
The fact that JJ'S first game as Caretaker was Sunderland away (100% home record) and not Doncaster at home the following week was maybe a clue that Thomas Sandgaard did have other plans for the next manager. A CL member said they knew who it was ? Shame they couldn't give more clues to who that was but I appreciate that sometimes you just can't.
Sandgaard seems to think he is a genius with these clauses. There is a reason no other club does things this way!
Wasted last season by not sacking Adkins earlier, wasted the season before by not getting rid of Bowyer earlier when it was clear he didn't want to be there, now wasting next season
I can't get my head around this.
"The players knew the details of JJ contract!"
Wages, and all the minutiae of a Professional contract ?
Unless Jackson left a copy for everyone to see or told everyone he had to finish in the top half of the table or admin leaked it to the players.
Crazy things happen at football clubs but struggling with this news 🤔
We all know there was doubt about JJ future at Cafc after Conor Washington and his agent meet Martin Sandgaard but no way can I believe Conor saw JJ contract and was told the team have to finish in top 12 or even 8.1 -
Plus we know the Sandgaard’s can’t kept their mouths shut.Cafc43v3r said:
Or just shared the articles on the OS and SLP that said it at the time? Although they didn't specifically say 8th, 12th or what ever it was strongly hinted at. Not beyond the relms of possibility that someone asked him, or someone else, what contractual target was.soapboxsam said:benjest1989 said:
The players knew the details of Jackson's contract. After the period of losses which coincided with us having no senior strikers, they knew he wouldn't be staying.soapboxsam said:Jackson was negotiating from a strong position as he took over in 22nd place and we were in an upward spiral, reaching 11th during the protracted negotiations. We definitely plateaued ( even dropped) after JJ lost the caretaker title. I would be interested in Steve Peters views on the Psychology of motivation and why it dipped when the job description changed. Strikers injured did have a say in that, full backs not suited to the rigours of game after game of covering so much ground ?
The fact that JJ'S first game as Caretaker was Sunderland away (100% home record) and not Doncaster at home the following week was maybe a clue that Thomas Sandgaard did have other plans for the next manager. A CL member said they knew who it was ? Shame they couldn't give more clues to who that was but I appreciate that sometimes you just can't.
Sandgaard seems to think he is a genius with these clauses. There is a reason no other club does things this way!
Wasted last season by not sacking Adkins earlier, wasted the season before by not getting rid of Bowyer earlier when it was clear he didn't want to be there, now wasting next season
I can't get my head around this.
"The players knew the details of JJ contract!"
Wages, and all the minutiae of a Professional contract ?
Unless Jackson left a copy for everyone to see or told everyone he had to finish in the top half of the table or admin leaked it to the players.
Crazy things happen at football clubs but struggling with this news 🤔
We all know there was doubt about JJ future at Cafc after Conor Washington and his agent meet Martin Sandgaard but no way can I believe Conor saw JJ contract and was told the team have to finish in top 12 or even 8.0 -
The pre-season tour is all sorted. Anybody still need convincing that the Sandgaards are running all aspects of the first team and that any incoming manager/head-coach will be operating within their tightly defined parameters?2
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Of course we did, in hindsight. He should have walked after the Wigan game.The Red Robin said:Agree with @benjest1989 - we held onto Adkins for too long.
But sacking him before the Bolton game would have been rash. When would you have actually sacked him, without using hindsight?0 -
The Red Robin said:
He obviously meant the clause relating to league position. That was pretty common knowledge and was even discussed on here.soapboxsam said:benjest1989 said:
The players knew the details of Jackson's contract. After the period of losses which coincided with us having no senior strikers, they knew he wouldn't be staying.soapboxsam said:Jackson was negotiating from a strong position as he took over in 22nd place and we were in an upward spiral, reaching 11th during the protracted negotiations. We definitely plateaued ( even dropped) after JJ lost the caretaker title. I would be interested in Steve Peters views on the Psychology of motivation and why it dipped when the job description changed. Strikers injured did have a say in that, full backs not suited to the rigours of game after game of covering so much ground ?
The fact that JJ'S first game as Caretaker was Sunderland away (100% home record) and not Doncaster at home the following week was maybe a clue that Thomas Sandgaard did have other plans for the next manager. A CL member said they knew who it was ? Shame they couldn't give more clues to who that was but I appreciate that sometimes you just can't.
Sandgaard seems to think he is a genius with these clauses. There is a reason no other club does things this way!
Wasted last season by not sacking Adkins earlier, wasted the season before by not getting rid of Bowyer earlier when it was clear he didn't want to be there, now wasting next season
I can't get my head around this.
"The players knew the details of JJ contract!"
Wages, and all the minutiae of a Professional contract ?
Unless Jackson left a copy for everyone to see or told everyone he had to finish in the top half of the table or admin leaked it to the players.
Crazy things happen at football clubs but struggling with this news 🤔
We all know there was doubt about JJ future at Cafc after Conor Washington and his agent meet Martin Sandgaard but no way can I believe Conor saw JJ contract and was told the team have to finish in top 12 or even 8.
Did Thomas Sandgaard say it or was it just speculation and as on all football forums and radio phones ins fans run with it ?
Did Thomas say out loud or was it printed anywhere that we had to finish 8th after JJ got the gig in 22nd place ?
Strongly hinted at isn't knowing the contract details CV43.
Since Bowyer left, it always feels that Cawley doesn't get the exclusives quite so close to the inner circle. Wasn't the Garner info from further west.1 -
Don't be silly, bedwetters need plastic sheets. Put me down for a couple of dozen.paulfox said:High quality Egyptian cotton sheets for sale, can do a good deal, inbox if interested. Only serious bedwetters though , no time wasters!!🤣0 - Sponsored links:
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Olly is on here, no doubt TS, RM or MS pop in anonymously IMO, they read the room and try to placate the massesHenry Irving said:
I tend to agree with you but the longer the managerial recruitment process go the less time there is for planning and player recruitment.DA9 said:Apparently we are way behind!!!Over reaction
Only 9 clubs of the 23 have made signings thus farhttps://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-one/transfers/wettbewerb/GB3/plus/?saison_id=2022&s_w=&leihe=1&intern=0&intern=1
I don't think were "miles" behind but we're not giving ourselves the most time available either.
I just think it is an odd statement.
If it's done and we're just waiting for TS to fly over (why?) then why say anything? It seems like a statement that didn't need to be made either way.
And the truth is, nobody knows what’s going on, it’s all opinions but yet again it gets morphed into fact by some1 -
It’s not hindsight. It was pretty clear at the time it wasn’t working.Cafc43v3r said:
Of course we did, in hindsight. He should have walked after the Wigan game.The Red Robin said:Agree with @benjest1989 - we held onto Adkins for too long.
But sacking him before the Bolton game would have been rash. When would you have actually sacked him, without using hindsight?Edit: I didn’t see your question. I wanted him sacked at the end of September/early October. I remember it well as I was arguing with fellow Charlton fans at a wedding about it 😂1 -
Don't let facts get in the way of all the hand-wringing!DA9 said:Apparently we are way behind!!!Over reaction
Only 9 clubs of the 23 have made signings thus farhttps://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-one/transfers/wettbewerb/GB3/plus/?saison_id=2022&s_w=&leihe=1&intern=0&intern=12 -
A perfectly reasonable post on this thread. Beale was said to be in the running for the QPR job and given our supposed interest it is relevant.eastterrace6168 said:RonnieMoore said:Karl Robinson new fav for QPR
Who cares about QPR FFS, what is happening here is what matters, unless you are really a closet QPR fan..Mmmm..
Personally I think that if it is Karl then it confirms that Beale is staying with Villa.2 -
Interesting timing given that the transfer window only opens on June 10th...doesn't give much time to get players in before the pre-season training camp.JamesSeed said:
Good news about the tour.Henry Irving said:From the OS
Charlton will travel abroad for a pre-season training camp this summer for the first time since 2019.
The men’s first team are set to return for pre-season testing on June 16th and will depart for Spain the following weekend.
Owner and CEO, Thomas Sandgaard, said: “It is important that the team get the opportunity to have a pre-season camp. We’ll have a new manager, new players, our current players and also some of young players all coming together for the first time. The training camp will give everyone an opportunity to really get to know each other and to focus on getting ready for the new season.
“We want to hit the ground running this season and a thorough training camp followed by competitive pre-season games will give us an opportunity to do that.
“Ahead of that, finding the right manager to take our men’s first team forward is our number one priority at this time. We have conducted interviews with a number of candidates and have been really pleased with the quality of interested individuals applying for the role but haven’t made a final decision. It is a thorough process as I want to make sure we find the best person for the football club.”
Information on the club’s pre-season fixtures will be announced in due course.
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Or the rumored tour to Portugal was changed at the new managers request?Billy_Mix said:The pre-season tour is all sorted. Anybody still need convincing that the Sandgaards are running all aspects of the first team and that any incoming manager/head-coach will be operating within their tightly defined parameters?1 -
Maybe we have found the right person for the job of football manager, just not the right person for sandgaards nonsense.Southbank said:“Ahead of that, finding the right manager to take our men’s first team forward is our number one priority at this time. We have conducted interviews with a number of candidates and have been really pleased with the quality of interested individuals applying for the role but haven’t made a final decision. It is a thorough process as I want to make sure we find the best person for the football club.”
Anybody else reading this as 'we have interviewed a lot of people but not yet the right person for the job'0 -
Irrelevant, clubs sign players before the window opens, including free agents who officially have contracts with their current club until 30th June.CafcWest said:
Interesting timing given that the transfer window only opens on June 10th...doesn't give much time to get players in before the pre-season training camp.JamesSeed said:
Good news about the tour.Henry Irving said:From the OS
Charlton will travel abroad for a pre-season training camp this summer for the first time since 2019.
The men’s first team are set to return for pre-season testing on June 16th and will depart for Spain the following weekend.
Owner and CEO, Thomas Sandgaard, said: “It is important that the team get the opportunity to have a pre-season camp. We’ll have a new manager, new players, our current players and also some of young players all coming together for the first time. The training camp will give everyone an opportunity to really get to know each other and to focus on getting ready for the new season.
“We want to hit the ground running this season and a thorough training camp followed by competitive pre-season games will give us an opportunity to do that.
“Ahead of that, finding the right manager to take our men’s first team forward is our number one priority at this time. We have conducted interviews with a number of candidates and have been really pleased with the quality of interested individuals applying for the role but haven’t made a final decision. It is a thorough process as I want to make sure we find the best person for the football club.”
Information on the club’s pre-season fixtures will be announced in due course.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/transfers
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The Bolton game was the 28th of September. Not sacking him then cost us potentially 6 points. That would have moved us from 13th to 12th. Hardly cost us the season did it?The Red Robin said:
It’s not hindsight. It was pretty clear at the time it wasn’t working.Cafc43v3r said:
Of course we did, in hindsight. He should have walked after the Wigan game.The Red Robin said:Agree with @benjest1989 - we held onto Adkins for too long.
But sacking him before the Bolton game would have been rash. When would you have actually sacked him, without using hindsight?Edit: I didn’t see your question. I wanted him sacked at the end of September/early October. I remember it well as I was arguing with fellow Charlton fans at a wedding about it 😂1 -
I wonder if Beale is the issue.
If Robinson is the favourite for Loftus Road then perhaps that’s because MB is heading our way?I have no idea btw.It’s getting to the point where this is feeling very last summer though.New signings and new manager in place for pre season tour eh? Hmmm0 - Sponsored links:
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Yes but we haven't yet. So there is only 15 days to finalise a manager and any offers and get players signed before they go off to Spain...just seems a bit tightScoham said:
Irrelevant, clubs sign players before the window opens, including free agents who officially have contracts with their current club until 30th June.CafcWest said:
Interesting timing given that the transfer window only opens on June 10th...doesn't give much time to get players in before the pre-season training camp.JamesSeed said:
Good news about the tour.Henry Irving said:From the OS
Charlton will travel abroad for a pre-season training camp this summer for the first time since 2019.
The men’s first team are set to return for pre-season testing on June 16th and will depart for Spain the following weekend.
Owner and CEO, Thomas Sandgaard, said: “It is important that the team get the opportunity to have a pre-season camp. We’ll have a new manager, new players, our current players and also some of young players all coming together for the first time. The training camp will give everyone an opportunity to really get to know each other and to focus on getting ready for the new season.
“We want to hit the ground running this season and a thorough training camp followed by competitive pre-season games will give us an opportunity to do that.
“Ahead of that, finding the right manager to take our men’s first team forward is our number one priority at this time. We have conducted interviews with a number of candidates and have been really pleased with the quality of interested individuals applying for the role but haven’t made a final decision. It is a thorough process as I want to make sure we find the best person for the football club.”
Information on the club’s pre-season fixtures will be announced in due course.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/transfers
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i’m hoping we have quite a few signings lined up and just awaiting the approval the new manager.4
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There’s been some confusion. The preseason tour of Spain is booked for Sandgaard the band, not CAFC.39
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If that is the issue how does that make Garner feel? The jobs yours pal, if x y and zero turn it down first?Valley11 said:I wonder if Beale is the issue.
If Robinson is the favourite for Loftus Road then perhaps that’s because MB is heading our way?I have no idea btw.It’s getting to the point where this is feeling very last summer though.New signings and new manager in place for pre season tour eh? Hmmm
Of course that happens in all walks of life but not publicly.1 -
Don't think the June 10th date is relevant, apparently we are already miles behind just about every other team in player recruitment, so I doubt there will be any players left by the time the window opens.CafcWest said:
Interesting timing given that the transfer window only opens on June 10th...doesn't give much time to get players in before the pre-season training camp.JamesSeed said:
Good news about the tour.Henry Irving said:From the OS
Charlton will travel abroad for a pre-season training camp this summer for the first time since 2019.
The men’s first team are set to return for pre-season testing on June 16th and will depart for Spain the following weekend.
Owner and CEO, Thomas Sandgaard, said: “It is important that the team get the opportunity to have a pre-season camp. We’ll have a new manager, new players, our current players and also some of young players all coming together for the first time. The training camp will give everyone an opportunity to really get to know each other and to focus on getting ready for the new season.
“We want to hit the ground running this season and a thorough training camp followed by competitive pre-season games will give us an opportunity to do that.
“Ahead of that, finding the right manager to take our men’s first team forward is our number one priority at this time. We have conducted interviews with a number of candidates and have been really pleased with the quality of interested individuals applying for the role but haven’t made a final decision. It is a thorough process as I want to make sure we find the best person for the football club.”
Information on the club’s pre-season fixtures will be announced in due course.
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So CAFC are the support act eh!!LoOkOuT said:There’s been some confusion. The preseason tour of Spain is booked for Sandgaard the band, not CAFC.2 -
Only if you assume the season followed exactly the same path.Cafc43v3r said:
The Bolton game was the 28th of September. Not sacking him then cost us potentially 6 points. That would have moved us from 13th to 12th. Hardly cost us the season did it?The Red Robin said:
It’s not hindsight. It was pretty clear at the time it wasn’t working.Cafc43v3r said:
Of course we did, in hindsight. He should have walked after the Wigan game.The Red Robin said:Agree with @benjest1989 - we held onto Adkins for too long.
But sacking him before the Bolton game would have been rash. When would you have actually sacked him, without using hindsight?Edit: I didn’t see your question. I wanted him sacked at the end of September/early October. I remember it well as I was arguing with fellow Charlton fans at a wedding about it 😂0 -
paulfox said:High quality Egyptian cotton sheets for sale, can do a good deal, inbox if interested. Only serious bedwetters though , no time wasters!!🤣
Wish I had your confidence. Pre season is imminent and no manager and half a squad. Not ideal preparation for a promotion push.
Genuinely hope our concern will transpire to be unnecessary bed wetting but as things stand as of today I think we're in a worse position at any time under TS's ownership in terms of the football side of things and without a decent managerial appointment and
good squad update we could be looking back pining for Jackson and Washington this season.
Big few weeks to turn that around.1 -
If its to be believed we should have a new manager and new players before the pre season tour. Guess it means someone is doing some work at the club to identify new players.
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