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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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Sounds like TS is trying to be over smart with contracts, which is making it tough to close the managers.. performance related, and release clause that wouldn’t cost him much! Managers want to come, but they also need to look after themselves!Garner compo package was agreed, and were still trying to arrange personal terms, but as they were a long way apart TS started shopping again!
Wouldn’t be surprised if another name enters the race, someone coaching in the premier league! I think by the end of this week we will have our manager!25 -
I don't know whether to think 'fair play for responding to fans' or 'how the fuck does a man in his position have time for this'RedJohn said:all this Linkedin messaging, I decided to message him today, wow, he responded, and stated he HOPES that a new manager will be in charge with regard to the Spain trip,9 -
He won 1 game in 5 as caretaker manager. Caretaker is a bit different as it's only a short period of time though. Long term would he work?The Red Robin said:
Did well in a couple of spells with Everton as caretaker and can’t imagine him getting on well with Lampard.Gravesend_Addick said:
I've always thought Big Dunc could be a decent managerScoham said:Looks like Blackburn are going for Duncan Disorderly (one of the best football nicknames alongside One Size and Loch Ness Drogba).
I feel like he'd be a bit in the Roy Keane mould where the players are half scared to do anything wrong as he might lay you out.0 -
No wonder we can’t get a head coach/manager in, he’s too busy chatting to people on a job chat groupRonnieMoore said:said this week may be to soon to get a new manager in but we will have a new man in place in next two weeks … again TS on LinkedIn
also we are not interviewing for a DOF4 -
As I've been saying for a while, TS the cuddlier/friendlier version of RD whose finding it very difficult to find a manager, that he wants, to work under his set up.
I'm not convinced at this rate it won't be Euell or MS taking the teams to Spain!2 -
I remember being shocked when Sandgaard announced that it wouldn't cost much to get rid of Jackson. I mean, Jackson was still in the job, hardly motivational to hear that and actually quite destabilising toboot. Now we hear that Garner is almost in the job, it's just that Sandaard is looking for someone better.
If I was Garner, and if I was told the job's probably mine, and if I'd been left dangling on a piece of string, and if Sandgaard's still looking for someone 'better,' and if after weeks of turmoil and disruption finally told the job is mine ... I'd tell him to 'go eff himself'.
I don't think Sandgaard need apply for a job in the diplomatic service,
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Had he said this from the outset I think even his harshest of critics would probably have been pragmatic and got wholeheartedly behind him with acceptance of reality of where we are as a club and how it is these days.ValleyOfTears said:I hope Saandgard will take a different approach this time around and instead of saying "we are going to **** this league next season". Instead he could say ~ "...we have no right to expect even a play off berth come May. We have no manager in place. We have released a lot of players and the squad needs a complete overhaul and rebuild. With time and the positive contribution that passionate fanbase bring I have every confidence we will see a year on year progression from hereonin. And our very ambitious club from boardroom to groundsman have a single focus for this club. To one day be playing against the very best teams in this country once again week in week out".
To me that takes the pressure off the next manager. Places us in reality once again and empowers everyone to be pulling in the right direction..
The majority of fans are realistic and not entitled children as has been alleged and had that been the message hitherto it's one we would have accepted (albeit perhaps reluctantly in this era of instant gratification).
I think what has caused the concern from many of us is the complete disparity between the soundbites and salesmanship and the unfolded reality which has seen us in our lowest footballing ebb in recent memory and little tangible evidence to suggest confidence that will change anytime soon.
He's not speaking to an audience of gullible hicks (in the main) selling a monorail project....but overseeing a beloved institution and talking to seasoned football fans who know the harsh realities of supporting clubs like Charlton Athletic.
Maybe it was naive over enthusiasm or just salesmanship but talk of Europe and Premier league, parading round the pitch with guitars before winning anything and further spiel like blow the league away lead to many just thinking words are words and it's bluster and which detracts from credibility and confidence as your left either thinking you're being bullshitted or they're really underestimating the challenge at hand.
We get/ have got words and implied messages that have thus far failed to translate to anything near the expectation on the pitch and it undermines confidence in those communicating it.
And whilst with talk amongst fans of increasingly irrelevantand meaningless "natural levels" and "shouldn't be losing at home to accrington stanley" are prominent the expectation of far more has in been set in the main by the owner who runs the club and is closest to make a call on realistic prospects for the club.
We don't need to be sold a dream to keep us coming back as Charlton is our life sentence and albatross. Whilst we all want success and as quickly as possible please most are stoic and pragmatic enough to accept the reality and would/ would have got behind the message in the quoted post.
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ChicagoAddick’s article on Ben Chorley makes an interesting point.
Most of the posts on the transfers thread are about players that did well in their games against us or ex Addicks. Up and coming talents in the lower leagues don’t feature on tv or get snapped up by talent spotting managers on FIFA. A DoF with a recent track record of building up a squad almost from scratch would be a welcome addition in my mind. The Swindon link and the timing, as suggested by chicagoaddick, makes it more intriguing.
https://chicagoaddick.com/2022/05/30/ben-chorley/4 -
Looks like Garner on holiday that’s what the delay is ….7
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Live reporting from Judith Chalmers .....RonnieMoore said:Looks like Garner on holiday that’s what the delay is ….26 -
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Thanks for the daily updates, I really appreciate they are all so different it really keeps it fresh to see something new each day.RonnieMoore said:Looks like Garner on holiday that’s what the delay is ….2 -
Timescales all fit into place Garner comes back end of week just when TS arrives in England…cfgs said:
Thanks for the daily updates, I really appreciate they are all so different it really keeps it fresh to see something new each day.RonnieMoore said:Looks like Garner on holiday that’s what the delay is ….0 -
Could meet in Wetherspoons in the airport to seal the deal if they time it right.RonnieMoore said:
Timescales all fit into place Garner comes back end of week just when TS arrives in England…cfgs said:
Thanks for the daily updates, I really appreciate they are all so different it really keeps it fresh to see something new each day.RonnieMoore said:Looks like Garner on holiday that’s what the delay is ….12 -
No access to emails? No internet for a zoom.RonnieMoore said:Looks like Garner on holiday that’s what the delay is ….
A holiday shouldn't hold up accepting a job.10 -
This sounds to me the most plausible reason why we haven’t got a new manager. I support performance related pay but it sounds as if footballer people aren’t yet ready for that stepDubaiCAFC said:Sounds like TS is trying to be over smart with contracts, which is making it tough to close the managers.. performance related, and release clause that wouldn’t cost him much! Managers want to come, but they also need to look after themselves!Garner compo package was agreed, and were still trying to arrange personal terms, but as they were a long way apart TS started shopping again!
Wouldn’t be surprised if another name enters the race, someone coaching in the premier league! I think by the end of this week we will have our manager!0 -
What AFKA said earlier, and my gawd do non tournament summers drag on here
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RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Had he said this from the outset I think even his harshest of critics would probably have been pragmatic and got wholeheartedly behind him with acceptance of reality of where we are as a club and how it is these days.ValleyOfTears said:I hope Saandgard will take a different approach this time around and instead of saying "we are going to **** this league next season". Instead he could say ~ "...we have no right to expect even a play off berth come May. We have no manager in place. We have released a lot of players and the squad needs a complete overhaul and rebuild. With time and the positive contribution that passionate fanbase bring I have every confidence we will see a year on year progression from hereonin. And our very ambitious club from boardroom to groundsman have a single focus for this club. To one day be playing against the very best teams in this country once again week in week out".
To me that takes the pressure off the next manager. Places us in reality once again and empowers everyone to be pulling in the right direction..
The majority of fans are realistic and not entitled children as has been alleged and had that been the message hitherto it's one we would have accepted (albeit perhaps reluctantly in this era of instant gratification).
I think what has caused the concern from many of us is the complete disparity between the soundbites and salesmanship and the unfolded reality which has seen us in our lowest footballing ebb in recent memory and little tangible evidence to suggest confidence that will change anytime soon.
He's not speaking to an audience of gullible hicks (in the main) selling a monorail project....but overseeing a beloved institution and talking to seasoned football fans who know the harsh realities of supporting clubs like Charlton Athletic.
Maybe it was naive over enthusiasm or just salesmanship but talk of Europe and Premier league, parading round the pitch with guitars before winning anything and further spiel like blow the league away lead to many just thinking words are words and it's bluster and which detracts from credibility and confidence as your left either thinking you're being bullshitted or they're really underestimating the challenge at hand.
We get/ have got words and implied messages that have thus far failed to translate to anything near the expectation on the pitch and it undermines confidence in those communicating it.
And whilst with talk amongst fans of increasingly irrelevantand meaningless "natural levels" and "shouldn't be losing at home to accrington stanley" are prominent the expectation of far more has in been set in the main by the owner who runs the club and is closest to make a call on realistic prospects for the club.
We don't need to be sold a dream to keep us coming back as Charlton is our life sentence and albatross. Whilst we all want success and as quickly as possible please most are stoic and pragmatic enough to accept the reality and would/ would have got behind the message in the quoted post.
Good post
In summary:
Under promise, over deliver5 -
16:30EugenesAxe said:
What time on Thursday? To the nearest quarter of an hour pleasemattinfinland said:I think we will make an appointment on Thursday.
That gives the new coaching team around 20 days to prepare for the training camp (the week after the 16th of June)
5/6 weeks before the season starts (from training camp)
7/8 weeks total prep(since manager potentially appointed)
I wouldn't say that's to short and probably average.
If we haven't got a manager by next Monday I'll be more worried1 -
Would say it’s all been agreed before he went awayking addick said:
No access to emails? No internet for a zoom.RonnieMoore said:Looks like Garner on holiday that’s what the delay is ….
A holiday shouldn't hold up accepting a job.0 -
I know we'll take a few kids over there, but how many senior players do we currently have contracted?Rob7Lee said:As I've been saying for a while, TS the cuddlier/friendlier version of RD whose finding it very difficult to find a manager, that he wants, to work under his set up.
I'm not convinced at this rate it won't be Euell or MS taking the teams to Spain!
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Well lady’s & Gentlemen I hope I am proved wrong, but I am getting the feeling we will end up with someone far worse the JJ was and more has been crap players on free transfers or loans.
so far what has TS actually achieved apart from buy the Club? And he wants premier League football 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👎👎👎👎7 -
Let me guess you are a glass half empty sort of person. Just wait a little longer, then we can all go top ourselves on the centre circle.1968CAFC said:Well lady’s & Gentlemen I hope I am proved wrong, but I am getting the feeling we will end up with someone far worse the JJ was and more has been crap players on free transfers or loans.
so far what has TS actually achieved apart from buy the Club? And he wants premier League football 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👎👎👎👎3 -
No actually I own 5 companies and have supported CAFC since 1968.Hal1x said:
Let me guess you are a glass half empty sort of person.1968CAFC said:Well lady’s & Gentlemen I hope I am proved wrong, but I am getting the feeling we will end up with someone far worse the JJ was and more has been crap players on free transfers or loans.
so far what has TS actually achieved apart from buy the Club? And he wants premier League football 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👎👎👎👎
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I think we'd basically ruled Beale out anyway but looks like he's going to be confirmed at QPR. One I'll probably keep an eye on and see how it goes.4 -
Are u the guy that used to sit behind me? I had to move....1968CAFC said:Well lady’s & Gentlemen I hope I am proved wrong, but I am getting the feeling we will end up with someone far worse the JJ was and more has been crap players on free transfers or loans.
so far what has TS actually achieved apart from buy the Club? And he wants premier League football 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👎👎👎👎18 -
When he was 11 Ben Chorley told me he was going to be a professional footballer.
His focus was locked on, and he was right.1 -
🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍👍👍😎😎addick1956 said:
Glass half empty then. I have supported since 1956 and glass down to about 125 millilitres1968CAFC said:
No actually I own 5 companies and have supported CAFC since 1968.Hal1x said:
Let me guess you are a glass half empty sort of person.1968CAFC said:Well lady’s & Gentlemen I hope I am proved wrong, but I am getting the feeling we will end up with someone far worse the JJ was and more has been crap players on free transfers or loans.
so far what has TS actually achieved apart from buy the Club? And he wants premier League football 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👎👎👎👎
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NO ! 🤣🤣🤣Redhenry said:
Are u the guy that used to sit behind me? I had to move....1968CAFC said:Well lady’s & Gentlemen I hope I am proved wrong, but I am getting the feeling we will end up with someone far worse the JJ was and more has been crap players on free transfers or loans.
so far what has TS actually achieved apart from buy the Club? And he wants premier League football 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👎👎👎👎1 -
Welp, that's my non-sequitur of the week.1968CAFC said:
No actually I own 5 companies and have supported CAFC since 1968.Hal1x said:
Let me guess you are a glass half empty sort of person.1968CAFC said:Well lady’s & Gentlemen I hope I am proved wrong, but I am getting the feeling we will end up with someone far worse the JJ was and more has been crap players on free transfers or loans.
so far what has TS actually achieved apart from buy the Club? And he wants premier League football 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👎👎👎👎
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Nailed on QPR get a couple of Villa kids on loan next season then.MarcusH26 said:
I think we'd basically ruled Beale out anyway but looks like he's going to be confirmed at QPR. One I'll probably keep an eye on and see how it goes.0
