I fully accept behind the scenes shenanigans influenced player performance, and yes everybody is only human. However sometimes in a game you go down to ten men, or concede an unjust penalty. You can use that as an excuse, or fight back. The Ipswich away game did not suggest to me the footballing side chose the fight back option.
And a view from left field-- Quote- The Zynex mission is to improve the quality of patience- WTF. We all know its to rip the patience off in this 'Land of the Free'' Thank God for Universal Health Care, With all its problems ,100% better than the U S
Did they really spell “patients” as “patience”?!
Damn- Computers wern't even invented when i was born, Let alone'spell checks". Can i claim a type error ?
Wasn’t knocking you mate, thought it was copied and pasted from the site. Apologies!
My concern is quite similar to what with seen in player recruitment the last couple of years. Doing a decent job in identifying good candidates, but failing to attract them here
Posted that on 16th May and suspect that is what’s proven the case, particularly with Beale.
Likely problems: refusal to recognise the market rate, either in salary or on termination; for managers, the scope of the role.
We are not an unattractive proposition relative to most other third tier or provincial clubs.
Both obstacles are likely to lead to extended discussions. In fairness, this is the best time of year to accommodate delays, but at some point you have to compromise.
That may well be part of it, but in terms of Beale, would it not just be that he got an offer we couldn't really match? QPR announced Warburton was leaving on 28th April. Charlton sacked Jackson on 2nd May. QPR are a league above us, have been in the Premier League more recently than us and are really a more attractive prospect all round. It's not like they sacked their manager yesterday and swooped in over us, they had a lot of time to plan this as well and they'll be hoping for a push towards the Premier League next season. What are we offering Beale that can match that even in the best possible scenario?
Maybe, but I’m not applying the above to one candidate in isolation. It doesn’t take four weeks to run a process especially if the intention to sack Jackson predates the end of the season.
The fact TS suggested it might take longer doesn’t make that necessary or ideal either.
Did it though? Or was Thomas only considering sacking Jackson then, which MS knew when speaking to CW, only to later get an itchy trigger finger after the Ipswich debacle! Apologies if this has already been made clear.
More likely Ipswich was the outcome of TS’s intention than the cause of it. The players knew this was on the cards. I was told by a club contact on the way back from the game.
Bless, the players' really chose when they wanted to play for Jacko or when they didn't fancy turning up.
Maybe their political stance is being given too much credit. They're simply shite apart from a few.
I think motivation is a bit more complicated than that. They are people not robots. I’m not defending that performance or others during the season but if you don’t have everyone fully focused for whatever reason you are likely to fall short. I think the behind the scenes manoeuvring and the players’ perception of it is a big part of what happened last season.
Is it true that there was also dressing room disharmony as a result of some being anti vaxers?
I'm astonished to see you relate that the players knew Jackson was out before Ipswich, but he didn't. You can understand that, to an outsider, that sounds scarcely credible, but, if it's one of the known knowns now, I must say it sounds an unprofessional way of doing things.
Plenty of room for improvement and must do better. Hopefully we will next season.
Let's give Adam Matthews a ping if we want to know the inside on a player's motivational needs
Personally I think there was unrest and too much sugar coating ever since Burstow to Chelsea ended up being a transfer as fast tracked as his role in the first team.
I'm going to take AFKAS advice and not worry about what i can't control. In fact now im wondering why i even worry about the results during the season!
Most of them are third tier players and that is the division we are in. Many thousands of lower League players would love to be in the Charlton players position.
I would buy CBT if I was a Championship club and use him in an attacking way and not expect him to defend in his own box too often. Big impact player and need to play to his strengths not his weaknesses. If a player that can go past defenders on the right or left side isn't in demand then I'm a Dutchman. Hopefully he stays and the new manager can carry on the good work with CBT that the coaches did before but not necessarily wing back.
Let's give Adam Matthews a ping if we want to know the inside on a player's motivational needs
Personally I think there was unrest and too much sugar coating ever since Burstow to Chelsea ended up being a transfer as fast tracked as his role in the first team.
Personally I think the unrest started after the Wigan game and was never properly resolved, it was brushed over (again) but the cracks quickly reappeared.
If everything had been rosie in the club house the antivax issue wouldn't have been a problem and would never have made it out. It might not have even been an issue but even the rumour of it wouldn't have been given any credence.
It's been a week today since JJ got sacked, and TS should have made an appointment by now.
The fact that he hasn't shows that it was a petulant, unplanned, ill-thought out sacking.
I'm curious as to why you think this.
I literally just said this to someone.
When Roland employed Luzon/Riga i cant remember which its blurred that time, everyone was moaning saying it was to quick him and KM didnt do a good enough search.
So why now TS is looking properly is it apparently to long.
Surely its better he gets the correct appointment even if it takes 7-14 days from the day JJ was sacked?
Are you just looking for a reason to moan? A stick to beat TS with?
We are not the only club without a manager atm
Lincoln haven't had a manager for 10 days Fleetwood magical 7 day(according to you) is up tomorrow.
Does that mean they have been poorly managed or do they not count, as Ts doesn't own them
I've come in for criticism here so I shall explain my reasoning:
It had been clear for several months that we weren't going either up or down a division. For those last few months we were generally in 13th- 17th place, weren't we? Therefore TS either thought: A. This is bad but I trust that JJ can sort it out for next season. B. This is bad and I need to change manager.
If it were B then he should have replaced him with a month or more to go so that the new manager can make his assessments. If it were A then he appears to have changed his mind at the last minute, probably due to the Ipswich result. My opinion is that this is what's happened. That's why I call it a petulant decision. It can't be because of our final position as we finished the season in almost the highest position we'd reached all season.
I may be wrong. What I know for sure was that I thought TS was great when he bought the club and I'm still thankful for that. What I now think is that he doesn't have a clue how to run a football club, and that we'll finish lower next season and then the next and so on until he changes his ways.
Most fans think it's B. The reason being Washington was as good as told this a few weeks before the Ipswich game. The most likely reason JJ wasn't sacked sooner, was because TS would have had to pay out less (if any) compensation by waiting until the season ended and JJ had "failed" the agreed contract.
Fair enough but it's now two weeks since he sacked Jackson and he still hasn't appointed a new manager. If it's B then he should have appointed someone by now. The only good reason why not would be if it's a manager of a play-off team.
Perhaps 'most fans' are wrong and it's A.
Or some candidates have been away for a short break after the season ended, like Jackson did.
Or some are coaches at Prem clubs so their season hasn’t ended
Or we were negotiating but someone turned it down (more of a bad reason but could be the case)
etc
Three weeks now. The Premier League has finished.
How many more excuses? Just face it: TS hasn't got a clue what he's doing. I can't believe from the threads on the play-offs and Sunderland that people think we stand a chance. It's like Everton fans thinking that they'll finish in the top six next season.
Four weeks now.
And to think that three weeks ago people were arguing that the sacking of Jackson was planned all along.
Planned?! My arse plans poos after me eating a bag of plums, better than this wallybrain owner can plan anything.
Was willing to give TS the summer, but nearly a month on and still no new manager is a joke. We are behind everyone else this summer AGAIN.
Just another quick reminder that the window isn't open for another 8 days
Another reminder that the window is pretty much completely irrelevant. Man City agreed a deal for Haaland before their season had even finished. In fairness, there hasn't been much official activity but I'd presume J Block and others are referring to the talking to players, agents etc. I think we're all guessing how much the lack of a manager is affecting us. We're no doubt making enquiries etc but we don't really know what impact having no manager is having for certain.
Was willing to give TS the summer, but nearly a month on and still no new manager is a joke. We are behind everyone else this summer AGAIN.
Just another quick reminder that the window isn't open for another 8 days
Another reminder that the window is pretty much completely irrelevant. Man City agreed a deal for Haaland before their season had even finished. In fairness, there hasn't been much official activity but I'd presume J Block and others are referring to the talking to players, agents etc. I think we're all guessing how much the lack of a manager is affecting us. We're no doubt making enquiries etc but we don't really know what impact having no manager is having for certain.
I did mean to caveat that with the exception of free agents aswell, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought tapping up of players who's contract isn't expiring outside of windows isn't allowed?
Was willing to give TS the summer, but nearly a month on and still no new manager is a joke. We are behind everyone else this summer AGAIN.
Just another quick reminder that the window isn't open for another 8 days
Another reminder that the window is pretty much completely irrelevant. Man City agreed a deal for Haaland before their season had even finished. In fairness, there hasn't been much official activity but I'd presume J Block and others are referring to the talking to players, agents etc. I think we're all guessing how much the lack of a manager is affecting us. We're no doubt making enquiries etc but we don't really know what impact having no manager is having for certain.
This. Everything which is meant to be happening is done behind close doors. Thus, we have no idea what is and what is not happening. The hope is that all the hard work will pay off by when pre season begins.
Was willing to give TS the summer, but nearly a month on and still no new manager is a joke. We are behind everyone else this summer AGAIN.
Just another quick reminder that the window isn't open for another 8 days
Another reminder that the window is pretty much completely irrelevant. Man City agreed a deal for Haaland before their season had even finished. In fairness, there hasn't been much official activity but I'd presume J Block and others are referring to the talking to players, agents etc. I think we're all guessing how much the lack of a manager is affecting us. We're no doubt making enquiries etc but we don't really know what impact having no manager is having for certain.
I did mean to caveat that with the exception of free agents aswell, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought tapping up of players who's contract isn't expiring outside of windows isn't allowed?
No of course tapping up of players is supposedly not allowed but I'm referring to talking to clubs about buying and/or loans. If we get permission to talk to players we can still get deals agreed. We signed Stockley before the window opened last season for example.
Players who are out of contract this summer can begin talking to new clubs from several months prior to the expiry of the contract. The summer transfer window is irrelevant as you can sign any player at any time, they just cannot be registered to play for you until the window is open, but seeing as their are no official games to play in it makes no difference.
Players who are out of contract this summer can begin talking to new clubs from several months prior to the expiry of the contract. The summer transfer window is irrelevant as you can sign any player at any time, they just cannot be registered to play for you until the window is open, but seeing as their are no official games to play in it makes no difference.
Yep, I think there is a common misconception about players signing for other clubs and players being registered to play for that club.
Although I don't think you're quite right about being able to talk to clubs several months prior to the expiry of a contract. I think technically you're only allowed to approach them in the last month of the contract. We all know it happens mind.
Matt Taylor (no, not that one) is now favourite for the Swindon job. The new Matt Smith?
Apparently it's "common knowledge" that Garner has left Swindon, along with Chorley. Maybe someone has put 2+2 together, but I can't believe that that person is Cawley.
Matt Taylor (no, not that one) is now favourite for the Swindon job. The new Matt Smith?
Apparently it's "common knowledge" that Garner has left Swindon, along with Chorley. Maybe someone has put 2+2 together, but I can't believe that that person is Cawley.
If not here, where?
Barnsley would probably be the only other club that made sense.
My concern is quite similar to what with seen in player recruitment the last couple of years. Doing a decent job in identifying good candidates, but failing to attract them here
Posted that on 16th May and suspect that is what’s proven the case, particularly with Beale.
Likely problems: refusal to recognise the market rate, either in salary or on termination; for managers, the scope of the role.
We are not an unattractive proposition relative to most other third tier or provincial clubs.
Both obstacles are likely to lead to extended discussions. In fairness, this is the best time of year to accommodate delays, but at some point you have to compromise.
That may well be part of it, but in terms of Beale, would it not just be that he got an offer we couldn't really match? QPR announced Warburton was leaving on 28th April. Charlton sacked Jackson on 2nd May. QPR are a league above us, have been in the Premier League more recently than us and are really a more attractive prospect all round. It's not like they sacked their manager yesterday and swooped in over us, they had a lot of time to plan this as well and they'll be hoping for a push towards the Premier League next season. What are we offering Beale that can match that even in the best possible scenario?
Maybe, but I’m not applying the above to one candidate in isolation. It doesn’t take four weeks to run a process especially if the intention to sack Jackson predates the end of the season.
The fact TS suggested it might take longer doesn’t make that necessary or ideal either.
Did it though? Or was Thomas only considering sacking Jackson then, which MS knew when speaking to CW, only to later get an itchy trigger finger after the Ipswich debacle! Apologies if this has already been made clear.
More likely Ipswich was the outcome of TS’s intention than the cause of it. The players knew this was on the cards. I was told by a club contact on the way back from the game.
Bless, the players' really chose when they wanted to play for Jacko or when they didn't fancy turning up.
Maybe their political stance is being given too much credit. They're simply shite apart from a few.
I think motivation is a bit more complicated than that. They are people not robots. I’m not defending that performance or others during the season but if you don’t have everyone fully focused for whatever reason you are likely to fall short. I think the behind the scenes manoeuvring and the players’ perception of it is a big part of what happened last season.
Is it true that there was also dressing room disharmony as a result of some being anti vaxers?
I'm astonished to see you relate that the players knew Jackson was out before Ipswich, but he didn't. You can understand that, to an outsider, that sounds scarcely credible, but, if it's one of the known knowns now, I must say it sounds an unprofessional way of doing things.
Plenty of room for improvement and must do better. Hopefully we will next season.
Isn't this easily explained by the purported performance-related aspects to Jackson's contract?
Let's say, for example, that the renewal was dependent on finishing in the top six. At the time of the Ipswich game, this was not possible, so everyone (including Jackson) 'knew' that his time was over ... although Sandgaard had not formally 'let him go' at that point.
Matt Taylor (no, not that one) is now favourite for the Swindon job. The new Matt Smith?
Apparently it's "common knowledge" that Garner has left Swindon, along with Chorley. Maybe someone has put 2+2 together, but I can't believe that that person is Cawley.
If not here, where?
Barnsley would probably be the only other club that made sense.
Not so much on here, but I find it odd seeing comments on twitter for example from fans saying they keep checking every 2 minutes to see if we’ve appointed anyone yet. Not saying we don’t need this sorted imminently, but more puzzlement on my part that there is still that level of engagement and interest. We’ve just had one of the worst seasons on record, the football was crap, the players are mediocre and it’s becoming quite clear that TS isn’t really delivering on the footballing front. All of these, plus the fact we’re only a month from the finish of last season, is putting me off a lot of CAFC related stuff at the moment.
Was willing to give TS the summer, but nearly a month on and still no new manager is a joke. We are behind everyone else this summer AGAIN.
Just another quick reminder that the window isn't open for another 8 days
Another reminder that the window is pretty much completely irrelevant. Man City agreed a deal for Haaland before their season had even finished. In fairness, there hasn't been much official activity but I'd presume J Block and others are referring to the talking to players, agents etc. I think we're all guessing how much the lack of a manager is affecting us. We're no doubt making enquiries etc but we don't really know what impact having no manager is having for certain.
Not sure Man City need as much strengthening as our squad does. Might be wrong.
My concern is quite similar to what with seen in player recruitment the last couple of years. Doing a decent job in identifying good candidates, but failing to attract them here
Posted that on 16th May and suspect that is what’s proven the case, particularly with Beale.
Likely problems: refusal to recognise the market rate, either in salary or on termination; for managers, the scope of the role.
We are not an unattractive proposition relative to most other third tier or provincial clubs.
Both obstacles are likely to lead to extended discussions. In fairness, this is the best time of year to accommodate delays, but at some point you have to compromise.
That may well be part of it, but in terms of Beale, would it not just be that he got an offer we couldn't really match? QPR announced Warburton was leaving on 28th April. Charlton sacked Jackson on 2nd May. QPR are a league above us, have been in the Premier League more recently than us and are really a more attractive prospect all round. It's not like they sacked their manager yesterday and swooped in over us, they had a lot of time to plan this as well and they'll be hoping for a push towards the Premier League next season. What are we offering Beale that can match that even in the best possible scenario?
Maybe, but I’m not applying the above to one candidate in isolation. It doesn’t take four weeks to run a process especially if the intention to sack Jackson predates the end of the season.
The fact TS suggested it might take longer doesn’t make that necessary or ideal either.
Did it though? Or was Thomas only considering sacking Jackson then, which MS knew when speaking to CW, only to later get an itchy trigger finger after the Ipswich debacle! Apologies if this has already been made clear.
More likely Ipswich was the outcome of TS’s intention than the cause of it. The players knew this was on the cards. I was told by a club contact on the way back from the game.
Bless, the players' really chose when they wanted to play for Jacko or when they didn't fancy turning up.
Maybe their political stance is being given too much credit. They're simply shite apart from a few.
I think motivation is a bit more complicated than that. They are people not robots. I’m not defending that performance or others during the season but if you don’t have everyone fully focused for whatever reason you are likely to fall short. I think the behind the scenes manoeuvring and the players’ perception of it is a big part of what happened last season.
Is it true that there was also dressing room disharmony as a result of some being anti vaxers?
I'm astonished to see you relate that the players knew Jackson was out before Ipswich, but he didn't. You can understand that, to an outsider, that sounds scarcely credible, but, if it's one of the known knowns now, I must say it sounds an unprofessional way of doing things.
Plenty of room for improvement and must do better. Hopefully we will next season.
Isn't this easily explained by the purported performance-related aspects to Jackson's contract?
Let's say, for example, that the renewal was dependent on finishing in the top six. At the time of the Ipswich game, this was not possible, so everyone (including Jackson) 'knew' that his time was over ... although Sandgaard had not formally 'let him go' at that point.
The renewal wasn't the issue, it was how much it would cost to sack him. He was still under contract so Thomas still had to do something.
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However sometimes in a game you go down to ten men, or concede an unjust penalty. You can use that as an excuse, or fight back.
The Ipswich away game did not suggest to me the footballing side chose the fight back option.
Next manager - TS says final decision not yet made
closer to the truth to say decision making process not yet started in any meaningful fashionI'm astonished to see you relate that the players knew Jackson was out before Ipswich, but he didn't. You can understand that, to an outsider, that sounds scarcely credible, but, if it's one of the known knowns now, I must say it sounds an unprofessional way of doing things.
Plenty of room for improvement and must do better. Hopefully we will next season.
Personally I think there was unrest and too much sugar coating ever since Burstow to Chelsea ended up being a transfer as fast tracked as his role in the first team.
Most of them are third tier players and that is the division we are in. Many thousands of lower League players would love to be in the Charlton players position.
I would buy CBT if I was a Championship club and use him in an attacking way and not expect him to defend in his own box too often. Big impact player and need to play to his strengths not his weaknesses. If a player that can go past defenders on the right or left side isn't in demand then I'm a Dutchman.
Hopefully he stays and the new manager can carry on the good work with CBT that the coaches did before but not necessarily wing back.
Ruud van Soapbox.
If everything had been rosie in the club house the antivax issue wouldn't have been a problem and would never have made it out. It might not have even been an issue but even the rumour of it wouldn't have been given any credence.
And to think that three weeks ago people were arguing that the sacking of Jackson was planned all along.
Planned?! My arse plans poos after me eating a bag of plums, better than this wallybrain owner can plan anything.
Although I don't think you're quite right about being able to talk to clubs several months prior to the expiry of a contract. I think technically you're only allowed to approach them in the last month of the contract. We all know it happens mind.
Apparently it's "common knowledge" that Garner has left Swindon, along with Chorley. Maybe someone has put 2+2 together, but I can't believe that that person is Cawley.
If not here, where?
Let's say, for example, that the renewal was dependent on finishing in the top six. At the time of the Ipswich game, this was not possible, so everyone (including Jackson) 'knew' that his time was over ... although Sandgaard had not formally 'let him go' at that point.
Not likley but sounds very, very, familiar......
I admire a lot of the fans’ engagement still