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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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Not word for word but he said the following.CL_Phantom said:randy andy said:MS was certainly extremely naive in saying anything to Conor Washington, but it really should have come as no surprise to anyone that after a failure of a season that TS would want to review what went wrong, and obviously that would include "is the current manager the man to take us forward".
To suggest the players played poorly because Jackson's future was in doubt is simply to deny any responsibility players have to perform. The vast majority of managers' position are in doubt to one degree or another. The players can't just not turn up because there's a chance in how ever many days, weeks or months, the manager may lose their job.
The conversation wasnt initially about Jackson though, Washington was told that any contract for him wouldnt happen as of then as a/the new man might not want him.
"Hey lads, MS just said any contract talks for us OOC players wont happen unitl they maybe sack Jacko....the man who´s been calling for contract talks for some of us....Anyway, 110% on Saturday boys lets do thissssssssssssssssssssssssssss A2V"“ You’ll have to negotiate that with JJ or whoever the next manager might be”.1 -
Didn’t know Alex Dyer was his number 2 there as well.!eastterrace6168 said:...Fair play to Pardew if the reason he left CSKA was racial abuse towards his own black players, reports showing bananas being thrown is disgusting,..he may have a chequered past and divided opinions on his managerial background, but can't fault his actions this time..fair play Alan..0 -
Correct.Covered_End_Lad said:
Option number 1 is the correct one.Dave Rudd said:
So, we have three versions:Cafc43v3r said:
"Johnnie Jackson’s initial contract at Charlton Athletic is for 18 months – with their league finish only affecting the amount of compensation paid if Thomas Sandgaard opts to dispense with his services."Dave Rudd said:
I think I've unravelled what you are trying to say.Cafc43v3r said:
The renewal was it the issue, it was how much it would cost to sack him. He was still under contract so Thomas still had to do something.Dave Rudd said:
Isn't this easily explained by the purported performance-related aspects to Jackson's contract?swordfish said:
Is it true that there was also dressing room disharmony as a result of some being anti vaxers?Airman Brown said:
I think motivation is a bit more complicated than that. They are people not robots. I’m not defending that performance or others during the season but if you don’t have everyone fully focused for whatever reason you are likely to fall short. I think the behind the scenes manoeuvring and the players’ perception of it is a big part of what happened last season.mendonca said:
Bless, the players' really chose when they wanted to play for Jacko or when they didn't fancy turning up.Airman Brown said:
More likely Ipswich was the outcome of TS’s intention than the cause of it. The players knew this was on the cards. I was told by a club contact on the way back from the game.swordfish said:
Did it though? Or was Thomas only considering sacking Jackson then, which MS knew when speaking to CW, only to later get an itchy trigger finger after the Ipswich debacle! Apologies if this has already been made clear.Airman Brown said:
Maybe, but I’m not applying the above to one candidate in isolation. It doesn’t take four weeks to run a process especially if the intention to sack Jackson predates the end of the season.Garrymanilow said:
That may well be part of it, but in terms of Beale, would it not just be that he got an offer we couldn't really match? QPR announced Warburton was leaving on 28th April. Charlton sacked Jackson on 2nd May. QPR are a league above us, have been in the Premier League more recently than us and are really a more attractive prospect all round. It's not like they sacked their manager yesterday and swooped in over us, they had a lot of time to plan this as well and they'll be hoping for a push towards the Premier League next season. What are we offering Beale that can match that even in the best possible scenario?Airman Brown said:
Likely problems: refusal to recognise the market rate, either in salary or on termination; for managers, the scope of the role.AFKABartram said:
Posted that on 16th May and suspect that is what’s proven the case, particularly with Beale.AFKABartram said:My concern is quite similar to what with seen in player recruitment the last couple of years. Doing a decent job in identifying good candidates, but failing to attract them hereWe are not an unattractive proposition relative to most other third tier or provincial clubs.Both obstacles are likely to lead to extended discussions. In fairness, this is the best time of year to accommodate delays, but at some point you have to compromise.The fact TS suggested it might take longer doesn’t make that necessary or ideal either.
Maybe their political stance is being given too much credit. They're simply shite apart from a few.
I'm astonished to see you relate that the players knew Jackson was out before Ipswich, but he didn't. You can understand that, to an outsider, that sounds scarcely credible, but, if it's one of the known knowns now, I must say it sounds an unprofessional way of doing things.
Plenty of room for improvement and must do better. Hopefully we will next season.
Let's say, for example, that the renewal was dependent on finishing in the top six. At the time of the Ipswich game, this was not possible, so everyone (including Jackson) 'knew' that his time was over ... although Sandgaard had not formally 'let him go' at that point.
My understanding is that Jackson was not sacked ... it was that Sandgaard chose not to extend his contract (presumably due to failing to meet the agreed performance criteria).
Here's my source:
Jackson out as Charlton boss as Addicks opt against contract extension | Evening Standard
Now, if you know differently ... fair enough.
Do you?
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/more-detail-emerges-on-charlton-manager-johnnie-jacksons-contractual-situation/
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1) Cawley (18 Feb 2022) Johnnie Jackson’s initial contract at Charlton Athletic is for 18 months – with their league finish only affecting the amount of compensation paid if Thomas Sandgaard opts to dispense with his services.
2) Cawley (11 Feb 2022) The Addicks boss could be out of contract this summer with a guaranteed 12-month extension only triggered based on the club’s final finish in League One.
3) Evening Standard (3 May 2022) Johnnie Jackson's 12-year association with Charlton Athletic is over after the club elected not to extend his contract as manager beyond the summer.
Anyone know the truth?
One interpretation might be that all are correct ... ie, the 12-month extension is only triggered if we make (eg) the top six, but Jackson gets more of a payout if we finish 7th compared to 9th etc.0 -
Get over yourselfcafcfan1990 said:
Always...The Red Robin said:
Saw he left. That’s literally it. With Pardew it’s always safe to assume he’s been sacked.cafcfan1990 said:
So just made up the fact he got sacked then? Was a pretty bizarre appointment, just scrapped a month there.The Red Robin said:
No idea. Didn’t know that had happenedCafc43v3r said:
Or left due to racist abuse his players were getting from their own fans?The Red Robin said:Alan Pardew sacked…Made it up? Do one.2 -
Chill out. Think our lack of activity is getting to everyone. Let's hope there is some news soon.The Red Robin said:
Get over yourselfcafcfan1990 said:
Always...The Red Robin said:
Saw he left. That’s literally it. With Pardew it’s always safe to assume he’s been sacked.cafcfan1990 said:
So just made up the fact he got sacked then? Was a pretty bizarre appointment, just scrapped a month there.The Red Robin said:
No idea. Didn’t know that had happenedCafc43v3r said:
Or left due to racist abuse his players were getting from their own fans?The Red Robin said:Alan Pardew sacked…Made it up? Do one.0 -
It’s still Spring to be fair!J BLOCK said:Was willing to give TS the summer, but nearly a month on and still no new manager is a joke. We are behind everyone else this summer AGAIN.1 -
Alan Pardew has left his job in Bulgaria today.......1
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Probably back over here any day now then…ChelmsfordAddick said:Alan Pardew has left his job in Bulgaria today.......2 -
At what point do we reach fever pitch on here?0
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that second paragraph says it all !!!
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I believe you can talk to players from the 1st Jan when the contract finishes at the end of that season.cafcfan1990 said:
No of course tapping up of players is supposedly not allowed but I'm referring to talking to clubs about buying and/or loans. If we get permission to talk to players we can still get deals agreed. We signed Stockley before the window opened last season for example.LTKapal said:
I did mean to caveat that with the exception of free agents aswell, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought tapping up of players who's contract isn't expiring outside of windows isn't allowed?cafcfan1990 said:
Another reminder that the window is pretty much completely irrelevant. Man City agreed a deal for Haaland before their season had even finished. In fairness, there hasn't been much official activity but I'd presume J Block and others are referring to the talking to players, agents etc. I think we're all guessing how much the lack of a manager is affecting us. We're no doubt making enquiries etc but we don't really know what impact having no manager is having for certain.LTKapal said:
Just another quick reminder that the window isn't open for another 8 daysJ BLOCK said:Was willing to give TS the summer, but nearly a month on and still no new manager is a joke. We are behind everyone else this summer AGAIN.0 -
Will be very interesting to see how Beale does. He was my preferred choice here. I think QPR have got a real gem, but time will tell12
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Going to keep an eye on QPR for sure , Beale was massively my first choice and I'm very very interested to see how he does. Would expect some very interesting loans there from his connections.0
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Could be wrong but think that only applies outside of England. I know clubs like PSG/Juventus could have approached Pogba in January, but a Premier League club couldn't (officially). Like I say could be wrong, that certainly used to be the rules, might have changed, so many have.ElfsborgAddick said:
I believe you can talk to players from the 1st Jan when the contract finishes at the end of that season.cafcfan1990 said:
No of course tapping up of players is supposedly not allowed but I'm referring to talking to clubs about buying and/or loans. If we get permission to talk to players we can still get deals agreed. We signed Stockley before the window opened last season for example.LTKapal said:
I did mean to caveat that with the exception of free agents aswell, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought tapping up of players who's contract isn't expiring outside of windows isn't allowed?cafcfan1990 said:
Another reminder that the window is pretty much completely irrelevant. Man City agreed a deal for Haaland before their season had even finished. In fairness, there hasn't been much official activity but I'd presume J Block and others are referring to the talking to players, agents etc. I think we're all guessing how much the lack of a manager is affecting us. We're no doubt making enquiries etc but we don't really know what impact having no manager is having for certain.LTKapal said:
Just another quick reminder that the window isn't open for another 8 daysJ BLOCK said:Was willing to give TS the summer, but nearly a month on and still no new manager is a joke. We are behind everyone else this summer AGAIN.2 -
Good for qpr but their fan base can be pretty intolerant and hostile. I’ll follow them with interest0
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My crystal ball has broken, so I don’t have a clue if Beale would have been good or not, but it doesn’t matter he was never coming to us, my crystal ball told me that before I broke it!!🤣0
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Good for Beale landing his first manager's role. He's got great pedigree but that doesn't mean he'll be a guaranteed success as a manager. Can't help but feel he's a bit of a risk in the Championship.
It's either going to go very right (top six / promotion in a couple of years) or very wrong (one win in 10 & sacked by November).0 -
I hope QPR go down with Millwall
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Come on TS, sort this fucking mess out soon before it is too late for next season.
Now starting to become a joke and making you, your son and all the other hangers on look like idiots.9 - Sponsored links:
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I'll agree if it's not sorted by next Friday.Hartleypete said:Come on TS, sort this fucking mess out soon before it is too late for next season.
Now starting to become a joke and making you, your son and all the other hangers on look like idiots.1 -
Many Charlton fans just have not acclimatised into the Club and Team we are.
It really is easier pointing out issues without having an input in resolving them.0 -
Just so I'm clear, it's now Sandgaard's fault JJ couldn't motivate the players?
Can we also find a way to blame him for MacG making mistakes?9 -
An input in resolving them is quite simple.mendonca said:Many Charlton fans just have not acclimatised into the Club and Team we are.
It really is easier pointing out issues without having an input in resolving them.
Hire a decent manager
Give them the funds to recruit the right players.
Do not interfere with team selection or training tactics.
It really is that simple.11 -
I feel the new manager needs to be in place before the window opens, so that they can assess the squad ahead of the window and make it clear from the bell who is wanted to buy or sell.
Last year was atrocious business planning and if we are not set up by beginning of July, bar 1 or 2 minor alterations, the season is looking bleak once again. That's 1 month to get all of the business 'that matters' completed.1 -
We didn't leave the EU until 2020 and subsequent to that there was a transition period. By that time, signing players like Mbuemo, Maupay, Benrahma or building the platform to win promotion was long in the rear view mirror for themaddick1956 said:
Brexit was in 2016 and officially we left before Brentford got to the Premiershit .ISawLeaburnScore said:
The elephant in the room is probably that the "Brentford model" just doesn't work post Brexit. They were fuelled by significant investment and time spent in international scouting, resulting in bringing in talent for less than the competition and then being able to sell them for many times more or being able to retain them and grow them as they rose up the leagues. They wouldn't have got work permits for most of the players they signed now.soapboxsam said:What part of the Brentford model is attractive to Thomas Sandgaard or our fan base ?
They have no academies but are in the Premier by buying good young players like Toney who's agent will no doubt be looking to get him a transfer soon.
We are the polar opposite as we sell our better younger players.
They play friendlies games with a reserve side.
We need the next manager to have more faith in getting our better youngsters into the first team squad and Sandgaard not selling them within half a dozen games.
This is also why most of the serious talent in L1 and L2 is just getting sucked into the Championship without an intermediate stop at one of the bigger/higher spending L1 teams.4 -
Very simple when it's not your money though isn't it.blackpool72 said:
An input in resolving them is quite simple.mendonca said:Many Charlton fans just have not acclimatised into the Club and Team we are.
It really is easier pointing out issues without having an input in resolving them.
Hire a decent manager
Give them the funds to recruit the right players.
Do not interfere with team selection or training tactics.
It really is that simple.5 -
I now worry this shambles might develop into a farce before it finally becomes another disaster.4
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No inside information but I have a gut feeling we’ll get Warburton. The Garner situation has been rumbling on too long.3
