Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

Henry Irving

Swisdom said:

Henry Irving said:

Michael Carrick

Discuss

What does he know about league 1
what managerial experience does he have

it’s a no from me

A "name" though 

Coached at a very high level.

Was never a player I liked and I'd hate all "Michael Carrick's Charlton" bollocks but he was linked with other EFL jobs.

The Red Robin

Can’t remember which club but Carrick has been linked with some at our level.

Scott Brown new Fleetwood manager.

MarcusH26

Carrick was linked to Lincoln but they went for Mark Kennedy who was Bows assistant at Birmingham 

SouthLondonisRed

Billyboy said:

Taylor in to 9/2 with William hill

Joint Fav now with JFH 4/1 with BetVictor

Exiled_Addick

SELR_addicks said:

matt88 said:

Ahh yes of course. Someone has definitely sat down and processed the data of pressing for every single League One and League Two club. 

These stats are always unsourced and not to be trusted 

What does the number even mean?

Covered End

BR7_addick said:

Covered End said:

Re Matt Taylor -
Exeter are a lower L1/top L2 team.
The fact that it took Taylor 4 years to get Exeter promoted in 2nd place, isn't a massive plus for me.
The fact that he's probably a really nice bloke, isn't a massive plus for me, so was JJ.
The fact that he's not managed above L2 is a negative for me.
The fact that he switched from goalie to outfield at age 23, doesn't really clinch it for me that he's a wonderfully versatile manager/coach. To be blunt, it is not relevant.

I'm not unhappy if it's Taylor, but I know the likes of Warburton have the better CV.

You think cos it took 4 years it’s a bad thing?  I see it as a good thing, shows what a bit of faith and patience can do in the midst of modern day revolving door management.  

Also shows he improved as a manager with time in his first role.

So Charlton fans will be happy to give Taylor 4 years to get Charlton promoted?
Err, that is definitely not happening, in anyone's world.

RodneyCharltonTrotta

Covered End said:

I doubt many of us thought Lennie Lawrence would be such a great success when he was appointed.
I'll be honest and say I wanted Gritt rather than Curbs.
I was well pleased when we appointed Pardew.
So I'll be honest and say I'd like Warburton, but other than that I really wouldn't like to call who would or wouldn't be a success.

Every single managerial appointment in football is an absolute hit and hope gamble.  If not Manchester United, pre Klopp Liverpool and Arsenal wouldn't have relative falls from grace.

The hope is that you try and stack the odds in your favour with rationale thought.  Adkins was a rationale appointment on paper. Fraeye was not. 

Very difficult job to pick a manager. 

I don't have a clue who would be good for us.  Even joking aside Klopp and Guardiola may fail at Charlton because the gulf in talent between the players they work with and those in League 3 and associated different management required may as well make it a different sport.

Get a half decent manager in, fund them and back their approach is probably the best bet for any clubs.  It's all a bit of  punt now especially as most seem to change bosses every couple of seasons these days before they perhaps have any real time to establish themselves.

NabySarr

SELR_addicks said:

matt88 said:

Ahh yes of course. Someone has definitely sat down and processed the data of pressing for every single League One and League Two club. 

These stats are always unsourced and not to be trusted 

The stats are from Opta, and someone definitely will have sat down and processed it as nearly all clubs will pay companies like opta for data. It’s a massive part of the game now at all levels 

Covered End

soapboxsam said:

Can some one explain how we won at Rotherham if the intensity dropped off late in the season when the miller men were desperate to win ?
I would love to see the stats on our games over the season by the Cafc analysts.

I agree we must've played in flip flops against Ipswich but we know there was issues by then over the uncertainty over contracts.

You've cherry picked the best performance in 6 months though.

Smithy

Think I was first on this thread to mention Taylor. ITK. 

Cafc43v3r

Covered End said:

BR7_addick said:

Covered End said:

Re Matt Taylor -
Exeter are a lower L1/top L2 team.
The fact that it took Taylor 4 years to get Exeter promoted in 2nd place, isn't a massive plus for me.
The fact that he's probably a really nice bloke, isn't a massive plus for me, so was JJ.
The fact that he's not managed above L2 is a negative for me.
The fact that he switched from goalie to outfield at age 23, doesn't really clinch it for me that he's a wonderfully versatile manager/coach. To be blunt, it is not relevant.

I'm not unhappy if it's Taylor, but I know the likes of Warburton have the better CV.

You think cos it took 4 years it’s a bad thing?  I see it as a good thing, shows what a bit of faith and patience can do in the midst of modern day revolving door management.  

Also shows he improved as a manager with time in his first role.

So Charlton fans will be happy to give Taylor 4 years to get Charlton promoted?
Err, that is definitely not happening, in anyone's world.

Think Thomas will bank roll 32 million to stand still?  

That's not happening what ever the fans want.

Addick Addict

Smithy said:

Think I was first on this thread to mention Taylor. ITK. 

Might have to check that one Smithy though I wasn't ITK

Smithy

Addick Addict said:

Smithy said:

Think I was first on this thread to mention Taylor. ITK. 

Might have to check that one Smithy though I wasn't ITK

Only joking, I’m not itk either I just have family who are season ticket holders down there so he popped in to my head.

Anyway, I was first but it doesn’t matter because you’ve probably got a bigger cock than me. 

DamoNorthStand

SouthLondonisRed said:

Billyboy said:

Taylor in to 9/2 with William hill

Joint Fav now with JFH 4/1 with BetVictor

So basically one person from this forum has stuck a tenner on.

BR7_addick

Covered End said:

BR7_addick said:

Covered End said:

Re Matt Taylor -
Exeter are a lower L1/top L2 team.
The fact that it took Taylor 4 years to get Exeter promoted in 2nd place, isn't a massive plus for me.
The fact that he's probably a really nice bloke, isn't a massive plus for me, so was JJ.
The fact that he's not managed above L2 is a negative for me.
The fact that he switched from goalie to outfield at age 23, doesn't really clinch it for me that he's a wonderfully versatile manager/coach. To be blunt, it is not relevant.

I'm not unhappy if it's Taylor, but I know the likes of Warburton have the better CV.

You think cos it took 4 years it’s a bad thing?  I see it as a good thing, shows what a bit of faith and patience can do in the midst of modern day revolving door management.  

Also shows he improved as a manager with time in his first role.

So Charlton fans will be happy to give Taylor 4 years to get Charlton promoted?
Err, that is definitely not happening, in anyone's world.

I guess it’s a good thing no one said that.

Valley11

Exeter fans on Taylor to us:

https://www.exeweb.com/forums/threads/matt-taylor-to-charlton.63716/

Scoham

DamoNorthStand said:

SouthLondonisRed said:

Billyboy said:

Taylor in to 9/2 with William hill

Joint Fav now with JFH 4/1 with BetVictor

So basically one person from this forum has stuck a tenner on.

Or they've made him joint favourite after Cawley's article went out.

ricky_otto

Who was the last manger that we appointed that was already employed in a managerial job? 

The Red Robin

ricky_otto said:

Who was the last manger that we appointed that was already employed in a managerial job? 

Peeters?

Cafc43v3r

The Red Robin said:

ricky_otto said:

Who was the last manger that we appointed that was already employed in a managerial job? 

Peeters?

"He became manager of Gent one week after being released by Cercle Brugge in October 2012 but was fired in January 2013.

Peeters was appointed as manager of English side, Charlton Athletic, in May 2014 on a 12-month contract."

Cafc43v3r

ricky_otto said:

Who was the last manger that we appointed that was already employed in a managerial job? 

Have we actually ever?

Dowue escapes on a technicality 

ricky_otto

Cafc43v3r said:

ricky_otto said:

Who was the last manger that we appointed that was already employed in a managerial job? 

Have we actually ever?

Dowue escapes on a technicality 

I honestly don’t think we have - not in the 40 years I’ve been going anyway. 

ForeverAddickted

Chris Powell was employed when he was in a club role - He'd have been the last person where we'd have needed club permission to speak with him

cfgs

Wasn't the great Fraye managing a club in the Belgian 49th tier or something like that when he became the Interim One?

Captain Peacock

Andy Nelson

Addick Addict

DamoNorthStand said:

SouthLondonisRed said:

Billyboy said:

Taylor in to 9/2 with William hill

Joint Fav now with JFH 4/1 with BetVictor

So basically one person from this forum has stuck a tenner on.

I backed him at 16/1 after I asked BetVic to put him in the market a week ago and a few hours later they shortened him to 10/1. The move to 4/1 today is down to Cawley's piece.

Scoham

Slade was Cardiff manager in 15/16 but his role was changed to 'head of football' a month before he joined us. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36231307

Addick Addict

ricky_otto said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ricky_otto said:

Who was the last manger that we appointed that was already employed in a managerial job? 

Have we actually ever?

Dowue escapes on a technicality 

I honestly don’t think we have - not in the 40 years I’ve been going anyway. 

Prior to that - in 1974 Andy Nelson came to us when still Manager at Gillingham

Croydon

addick1956 said:

BR7_addick said:

Billericaydickie said:

I was told this information in late 2021, I was told not to keep it to myself which I did do.

But now I will share it on here.

I know someone who works for the club in the medical setup.

This person told me in December 2021, that the atmosphere in the dressing room at that time was awful, almost toxic.

Some of the first team squad were barely speaking to each other.
And Jackson had all but lost the changing room.

The reason behind this unrest was Covid.. 

Some senior players (I don’t know names or numbers) but certainly two, possibly more players were committed Anti Vaxers.

Other players felt unhappy to mix with anyone who refused to be vaccinated. This divided the squad and hence caused bad feeling.

Because of this, some players shunned the Christmas party.
I also understand that some people who did attend the Christmas party then tested positive for Covid days after attending the party.
Jackson being one of those.

This caused further bad feeling and unrest.

I don’t know any more, but I will speculate and say that this may well be part of the reason we had such a bad January, and then struggled for the remainder of the season.

I hope this is true.  Because it would explain a lot.  And also give us a bit of hope that the agitators are gone and we can move forward.

Gilbey was very ill with Covid . Fraser caught it almost as soon as he arrived. He is still suffering  the effects.

I wonder if Gilbey was an anti vaxer .

Anti vaccination is stupid. When I was 6 I caught polio. I ended up in hospital where a new vaccination was just available.  It was administered into my back in several places.

It seemed to work as I made a good recovery. 

In the hospital room next to mine was a youngish man in an iron lung unit. I could  see him through  the window. He had been in the RAF  from early in the war. There was no vaccination when he fell ill.

It is stupid to risk serous illness for the sake of vaccine protection . 

I can easily see how devicive such an attitude would be in these circumstances. 

I'd imagine Gilbey was pro vax because he was so ill from it. From memory, wasn't he ill before the vaccine roll out?

Valley11

Would be pleased with Taylor IF he is allowed to bring his own staff and set up the way he wants it.