Re Matt Taylor - Exeter are a lower L1/top L2 team. The fact that it took Taylor 4 years to get Exeter promoted in 2nd place, isn't a massive plus for me. The fact that he's probably a really nice bloke, isn't a massive plus for me, so was JJ. The fact that he's not managed above L2 is a negative for me. The fact that he switched from goalie to outfield at age 23, doesn't really clinch it for me that he's a wonderfully versatile manager/coach. To be blunt, it is not relevant.
I'm not unhappy if it's Taylor, but I know the likes of Warburton have the better CV.
May not be logical but I’m more excited by Taylor for some reason. Perhaps because Warburton has struggled (very) recently, whereas Taylor sounds like a young manager on the way up. I think I’d be happy with either.
Warburton took QPR from lower mid table to 3rd by Xmas. He couldn't maintain it, when he lost half the team to injuries.
Was it that many injuries, I didn’t realise. I just knew he was on his sixth choice keeper or something.
Ok, so either sound good, but Taylor is arguably a slightly bigger gamble (but more likely to be happy to join us).
There is a link between Matt Taylor and Ged Roddy.
Team Bath?
Yeah. It looks like Matt Taylor got his degree at Bath. Taylor certainly played representative University football, as well as football at all sorts of levels. Taylor is interesting in as much as he doesn’t have a conventional CV. Easy to like from the outside, but personally I would like the acquisition of points most of all whoever is in charge.
It's baffling seeing the negative reactions to Taylor. A significant portion of our fan base need a reality check. At surface level alone: - His CV shows more experience than Powell & Bowyer did before taking the hotseat. - His CV also shows more experience than Leam Richardson (Wigan) and Paul Warne (Rotherham) did before taking their current roles. - Exeter finished runners up on goal difference to Forest Green Rovers. If the FGR gaffer is good enough for Watford then Taylor is good enough for us.
We will hire who ever is left on the self in late August.
That’s the spirit!
Watford and Fleetwood have hired already . The rest with managers are signing players and we are tracing last years disaster when we had a manager who apparently was bi passed on some signings of which , somewere late anyway . We then scrabbled around in September. The answer was Soarè. When I pointed out in mid June our recruitment was slow and not in line with smashing the league I was rounded on by all. Now everyone agrees last summer was piss poor. That is why I say thar, history doesn't exactly point to anything else does it , with Tommy. Why he just doesn't do his badges and have done with it. 3 managers in 20 months isn't goi g to attract a high flyer does it. I hope I am wrong.
Just think also what it would mean to Taylor, without tooting our own horns, I would say a manager who’s been slogging it away for 4 years at that shitty ground in carrot crunching land would dream of a shot at our place. You can see him pouring his heart and soul into it, he played the game in a similar fashion.
Exeter under Taylor, 9th,5th,9th and then promotion. So not hugely successful bar this season.
Would rather get Warburton
I Think most of us would "rather have Warburton" ,but he is clearly aiming a lot higher than us, Taylor has done a good job at Exeter, and has just gained a promotion with them, he would be a good choice in my opinion..
Just think also what it would mean to Taylor, without tooting our own horns, I would say a manager who’s been slogging it away for 4 years at that shitty ground in carrot crunching land would dream of a shot at our place. You can see him pouring his heart and soul into it, he played the game in a similar fashion.
Although I agree with the sentiment the comments are disrespectful to Exeter, a good, well run football club who deserve a bit more respect.
Just think also what it would mean to Taylor, without tooting our own horns, I would say a manager who’s been slogging it away for 4 years at that shitty ground in carrot crunching land would dream of a shot at our place. You can see him pouring his heart and soul into it, he played the game in a similar fashion.
Quite an arrogance about this view. Agree it’s probably a footballing step up but I wouldn’t quite put it like you have.
Exeter under Taylor, 9th,5th,9th and then promotion. So not hugely successful bar this season.
Would rather get Warburton
We are on the outside looking in at Exeter and actually know nothing of what went on, season by season. It's like Exeter fans making a judgement on us. There are no more critical fans than the fans of the club being analysed which is why I originally searched for their views on Taylor and why I came to the conclusion that, with the right backing and club(s) he could become another Eddie Howe - their backgrounds are similar.
I've already posted some quotes from their Forum about him but this particular one serves to explain why it might have taken them four years to get promoted but also why I think he could be another Howe principally the bit about being "humble" but also accountability when things didn't go right - we've had one Manager in particular who still, to this day, takes all the plaudits when things go right and blames the world and its mother when they don't:
In four seasons MT has rebuilt a couple of attacking teams now, quite frankly i actually believe last season in periods-that was probably the most formidable attacking team (Randall,Randall,Jay,Bowman) i've ever seen at SJP. Its been a long ten years in League 2 and Matty had gone close, but for me you have to praise him because people were quite rightly questioning if it was ever going to happen, we had just received the Watkins and Randall Money and Fans expectations changed drastically and he got his Marquee signings in and has now fantastically completed the job. For me Taylor is on course to be our Best Manager ever, He's also my favourite manager ever in that he is very humble and will take accountability and i'm sure if things do wrong and he wasn't the man to take the club forward, he would be the first person to say so.
Just think also what it would mean to Taylor, without tooting our own horns, I would say a manager who’s been slogging it away for 4 years at that shitty ground in carrot crunching land would dream of a shot at our place. You can see him pouring his heart and soul into it, he played the game in a similar fashion.
Quite an arrogance about this view. Agree it’s probably a footballing step up but I wouldn’t quite put it like you have.
Oh completely, but this is the place to be arrogant about us right? And we are pretty massive in comparison to Exeter, same league or not.
I would be happy with Matt Taylor, although if we want a young coach/manager, who plays a variant of 3-5-2 and has not only played for the club but got promoted under Chris powell, didnt we already have one of those?
Sorry to be pedantic but the 2019/20 never technically finished. Exeter were 3 points off 3rd with 9 games to go. At least he got plenty of experience challenging at the top half of a division.
I would be happy with Matt Taylor, although if we want a young coach/manager, who plays a variant of 3-5-2 and has not only played for the club but got promoted under Chris powell, didnt we already have one of those?
We did but is Taylor a better coach, tactician etc?
Would be interested to see what Exeter's budget was like over the last 4 years compared to the rest of League 2. If they had a budget in the bottom half but consistently competed towards the top would suggest Taylor has done a really good job. By contrast if they had the biggest in the league then he hasn't performed that well.
Just think also what it would mean to Taylor, without tooting our own horns, I would say a manager who’s been slogging it away for 4 years at that shitty ground in carrot crunching land would dream of a shot at our place. You can see him pouring his heart and soul into it, he played the game in a similar fashion.
Quite an arrogance about this view. Agree it’s probably a footballing step up but I wouldn’t quite put it like you have.
Oh completely, but this is the place to be arrogant about us right? And we are pretty massive in comparison to Exeter, same league or not.
I think the truth lies somewhere between the two views - we have the potential to be "massive" as, dare I say, a Sheffield Wednesday but the bottom line is that next season all three of the clubs will be in League 1. As they might be the season after, the season after that and the season after that.
It's a bit like saying this season we are a bigger club than Peterborough who were in the Championship this season, or Wycombe possibly next season, but the proof is actually where the clubs sit at any particular time not just based on support. As we've found in being in League 1 in six out of seven consecutive seasons we have, as much as it pains me to say, actually, become a League 1 club in the same way as Millwall are a Championship club and Palace a Premier League Club. Yet some would still blindly argue that we are bigger than both of them.
Would be interested to see what Exeter's budget was like over the last 4 years compared to the rest of League 2. If they had a budget in the bottom half but consistently competed towards the top would suggest Taylor has done a really good job. By contrast if they had the biggest in the league then he hasn't performed that well.
They had an inflated budget due to the amount of money they made selling players. They obviously had to replace them, at some cost.
I would imagine they would be quite high on total spend but also quite low on net spend.
The consistency achieved with that player turn over is quite impressive either way.
Just think also what it would mean to Taylor, without tooting our own horns, I would say a manager who’s been slogging it away for 4 years at that shitty ground in carrot crunching land would dream of a shot at our place. You can see him pouring his heart and soul into it, he played the game in a similar fashion.
Quite an arrogance about this view. Agree it’s probably a footballing step up but I wouldn’t quite put it like you have.
Oh completely, but this is the place to be arrogant about us right? And we are pretty massive in comparison to Exeter, same league or not.
I think the truth lies somewhere between the two views - we have the potential to be "massive" as, dare I say, a Sheffield Wednesday but the bottom line is that next season all three of the clubs will be in League 1. As they might be the season after, the season after that and the season after that.
It's a bit like saying this season we are a bigger club than Peterborough who were in the Championship this season, or Wycombe possibly next season, but the proof is actually where the clubs sit at any particular time not just based on support. As we've found in being in League 1 in six out of seven consecutive seasons we have, as much as it pains me to say, actually, become a League 1 club in the same way as Millwall are a Championship club and Palace a Premier League Club. Yet some would still blindly argue that we are bigger than both of them.
I don’t agree that we are massive I just mean when compared to Exeter, I’m not having for a second that it isn’t a step up, I don’t think anyone in the football world would be shocked by Taylor moving to a side in the same division when making the relevant comparisons of the two clubs.
We will hire who ever is left on the self in late August.
That’s the spirit!
Watford and Fleetwood have hired already . The rest with managers are signing players and we are tracing last years disaster when we had a manager who apparently was bi passed on some signings of which , somewere late anyway . We then scrabbled around in September. The answer was Soarè. When I pointed out in mid June our recruitment was slow and not in line with smashing the league I was rounded on by all. Now everyone agrees last summer was piss poor. That is why I say thar, history doesn't exactly point to anything else does it , with Tommy. Why he just doesn't do his badges and have done with it. 3 managers in 20 months isn't goi g to attract a high flyer does it. I hope I am wrong.
You usually are...
I have just pointed out that I wasn't wrong on this yet you insist that wasn't the case.
I also said that a less than half fit Aneke wasn't a good idea. What happened he missed most of the games from Jan to April 30th..or perhaps we only played He played 9 games of 22 or 23 available , started 4 completed 2 and collected 4 yellow cards straight of. He didn't actually change many came outcomes apart from Cheltenham and maybe Shrewsbury.
But you will tell.me that is wrong too.
I'm gonna tell you its utter gibberish. Not one coherent sentence.
I would be happy with Matt Taylor, although if we want a young coach/manager, who plays a variant of 3-5-2 and has not only played for the club but got promoted under Chris powell, didnt we already have one of those?
But not one with four years experience and a promotion under his belt.
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They're definitely not grudging him a move to Charlton if he comes though. Fair play to them
It looks like Matt Taylor got his degree at Bath.
Taylor certainly played representative University football, as well as football at all sorts of levels.
Taylor is interesting in as much as he doesn’t have a conventional CV.
Easy to like from the outside, but personally I would like the acquisition of points most of all whoever is in charge.
A significant portion of our fan base need a reality check.
At surface level alone:
- His CV shows more experience than Powell & Bowyer did before taking the hotseat.
- His CV also shows more experience than Leam Richardson (Wigan) and Paul Warne (Rotherham) did before taking their current roles.
- Exeter finished runners up on goal difference to Forest Green Rovers. If the FGR gaffer is good enough for Watford then Taylor is good enough for us.
Would rather get Warburton
If he had one of the lowest budgets he’s done superb, if he had one of the highest budgets he’s done okay/okay/okay then superb.
I've already posted some quotes from their Forum about him but this particular one serves to explain why it might have taken them four years to get promoted but also why I think he could be another Howe principally the bit about being "humble" but also accountability when things didn't go right - we've had one Manager in particular who still, to this day, takes all the plaudits when things go right and blames the world and its mother when they don't:
In four seasons MT has rebuilt a couple of attacking teams now, quite frankly i actually believe last season in periods-that was probably the most formidable attacking team (Randall,Randall,Jay,Bowman) i've ever seen at SJP. Its been a long ten years in League 2 and Matty had gone close, but for me you have to praise him because people were quite rightly questioning if it was ever going to happen, we had just received the Watkins and Randall Money and Fans expectations changed drastically and he got his Marquee signings in and has now fantastically completed the job. For me Taylor is on course to be our Best Manager ever, He's also my favourite manager ever in that he is very humble and will take accountability and i'm sure if things do wrong and he wasn't the man to take the club forward, he would be the first person to say so.
It's a bit like saying this season we are a bigger club than Peterborough who were in the Championship this season, or Wycombe possibly next season, but the proof is actually where the clubs sit at any particular time not just based on support. As we've found in being in League 1 in six out of seven consecutive seasons we have, as much as it pains me to say, actually, become a League 1 club in the same way as Millwall are a Championship club and Palace a Premier League Club. Yet some would still blindly argue that we are bigger than both of them.
I would imagine they would be quite high on total spend but also quite low on net spend.
The consistency achieved with that player turn over is quite impressive either way.