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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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Are we there yet?3
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Callumcafc said:There's obviously been a conversation... which is more than you can say for any other candidate we're aware of. Whether that conversation will lead anywhere is another question.
Unless you're in the Sandgaard or Taylor families, we're all in the dark in reality.
Not necessarily, all the tweet said was it's believed Taylor is one we're considering.
Could be looking to start talks if others drop out, could be considering a proper offer to him, could be media bollocks to put pressure on someone else.4 -
So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission.
However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013.
No better person to ask than Jackson0 -
No he was 25/1 at the startmendonca said:
That's a pretty good post.RonnieMoore said:
Means nothing … Remember Adkins was not even in the betting and got the jobPWADDICK said:Matt Taylor odds now down to 2/1… promising0 -
He would make a small fortune writing a book about last 12 yearsshirty5 said:So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission.
However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013.
No better person to ask than Jackson0 -
Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself.shirty5 said:So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission.
However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013.
No better person to ask than Jackson0 -
Well they played together for 2 seasons. If you was going for a job and you knew someone who used to work there would you not ask them?paulfox said:
Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself.shirty5 said:So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission.
However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013.
No better person to ask than Jackson
Of course you would. Anyway how do you know what Jackson would say?3 -
I would take the manager odds with a massive pinch of salt, it takes a bet of £1 to move one of these markets, it’s completely random, with next to no liquidity and set up for people to lose money3
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The precedent for Matt Taylor would be Andy Nelson, who left a smaller club (Gillingham) having just got them promoted from the 4th tier in 1974 to rescue us from our languishing in the old 3rd division. It worked, for a few years anyway. But, since then any real success has come via those in their first full managerial roles: Bailey, Lawrence, Curbishley, Powell & Bowyer. Others with extensive "proven track records" have in the main been dismal failures. The choice therefore must be between Taylor & Beale?2
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I don’t have a clue to be honest, do you think JJ is likely to be full of praise? I’d have thought TS approach would be to highlight the fresh start and lessons had been learned, so make a decision on that basis.not somebody else’s word, be his own man so to speak. Just an opinion, no need to get shirty… shirty!!😜👍🤣. I’d just like a decision soon so they can get on with it to be honest.shirty5 said:
Well they played together for 2 seasons. If you was going for a job and you knew someone who used to work there would you not ask them?paulfox said:
Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself.shirty5 said:So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission.
However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013.
No better person to ask than Jackson
Of course you would. Anyway how do you know what Jackson would say?0 -
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Now now Mr Fox. I take it you know the meaning of the shirty5 name on here then?paulfox said:
I don’t have a clue to be honest, do you think JJ is likely to be full of praise? I’d have thought TS approach would be to highlight the fresh start and lessons had been learned, so make a decision on that basis.not somebody else’s word, be his own man so to speak. Just an opinion, no need to get shirty… shirty!!😜👍🤣. I’d just like a decision soon so they can get on with it to be honest.shirty5 said:
Well they played together for 2 seasons. If you was going for a job and you knew someone who used to work there would you not ask them?paulfox said:
Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself.shirty5 said:So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission.
However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013.
No better person to ask than Jackson
Of course you would. Anyway how do you know what Jackson would say?0 -
No not really, happy to be educated. I was just being light hearted, saw the opportunity so took it.🤣shirty5 said:
Now now Mr Fox. I take it you know the meaning of the shirty5 name on here then?paulfox said:
I don’t have a clue to be honest, do you think JJ is likely to be full of praise? I’d have thought TS approach would be to highlight the fresh start and lessons had been learned, so make a decision on that basis.not somebody else’s word, be his own man so to speak. Just an opinion, no need to get shirty… shirty!!😜👍🤣. I’d just like a decision soon so they can get on with it to be honest.shirty5 said:
Well they played together for 2 seasons. If you was going for a job and you knew someone who used to work there would you not ask them?paulfox said:
Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself.shirty5 said:So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission.
However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013.
No better person to ask than Jackson
Of course you would. Anyway how do you know what Jackson would say?0 -
Cafc43v3r said:
I never understand this.The Red Robin said:
I think it also has some similarities to the Powell and Bowyer appointments. Both understood the club but had spent enough time away from Charlton that they didn’t have existing relationships and ideas about staff and players. I know Bowyer was a coach under Robinson but not for long.Addick Addict said:
Taylor is different from JJ and Bowyer in that he started as a defensive coach at Exeter, then was successful as their U23 Premier League coach (probably why he gets youngsters and wants to promote them) and then stepped up to manage the first team - he's been on a six year journey in doing that. He hasn't learnt how to manage at CAFC with the influences that are prevalent here in the way that JJ did under Bowyer and Bowyer did under Robinson. The other aspect is that the voice and much of what they say is the same whether they are coach or manager.Scoham said:
We did but is Taylor a better coach, tactician etc?Todds_right_hook said:I would be happy with Matt Taylor, although if we want a young coach/manager, who plays a variant of 3-5-2 and has not only played for the club but got promoted under Chris powell, didnt we already have one of those?
Taylor would come to the Club knowing about its history, its fans etc but without any pre-conceived ideas about the squad and more to the point without the players having any pre-conceived ideas about him. On a much grander scale I would liken it to Steven Gerrard taking all that he has learnt about managing at Rangers and Villa before he eventually possibly becomes Liverpool Manager. There's nothing that Gerrard doesn't know about Liverpool but they didn't want him learning his craft there.
It's probably very important that people running the business side of the club understand the history so they understand why certain things work and certain things don't. But does that really also translate to the manager of the first team?
Are we any different to any other club in the fact we have a ground, a training ground, play 11 a side football on a similar size pitch? The fans want to win football matches, preferably with aesthetically pleasing football, and the minimum expectation is that they players look like they care and are putting in the required effort. Doesn't that describe every club?
Agreed, I always find it hilarious when managers do the " The one thing the Cambridge fans demand is hard work and fighting for the shirt" as if that was unique, and Peterborough fans were happy to see lazy, half arsed players!8 -
To be honest the toothed fairy and Easter bunny are only 33s. You can still get 25s on Jackson and the new Watford gaffa!shirty5 said:
No he was 25/1 at the startmendonca said:
That's a pretty good post.RonnieMoore said:
Means nothing … Remember Adkins was not even in the betting and got the jobPWADDICK said:Matt Taylor odds now down to 2/1… promising0 -
Not denying that, however I was correcting Ronnie Moore’s claim re Adkins from March 2021Cafc43v3r said:
To be honest the toothed fairy and Easter bunny are only 33s. You can still get 25s on Jackson and the new Watford gaffa!shirty5 said:
No he was 25/1 at the startmendonca said:
That's a pretty good post.RonnieMoore said:
Means nothing … Remember Adkins was not even in the betting and got the jobPWADDICK said:Matt Taylor odds now down to 2/1… promising1 -
It's insulting as well. Powell was successful because he didn't need a sat nav to find his way to the training ground and knew Chris Parkes.killerandflash said:Cafc43v3r said:
I never understand this.The Red Robin said:
I think it also has some similarities to the Powell and Bowyer appointments. Both understood the club but had spent enough time away from Charlton that they didn’t have existing relationships and ideas about staff and players. I know Bowyer was a coach under Robinson but not for long.Addick Addict said:
Taylor is different from JJ and Bowyer in that he started as a defensive coach at Exeter, then was successful as their U23 Premier League coach (probably why he gets youngsters and wants to promote them) and then stepped up to manage the first team - he's been on a six year journey in doing that. He hasn't learnt how to manage at CAFC with the influences that are prevalent here in the way that JJ did under Bowyer and Bowyer did under Robinson. The other aspect is that the voice and much of what they say is the same whether they are coach or manager.Scoham said:
We did but is Taylor a better coach, tactician etc?Todds_right_hook said:I would be happy with Matt Taylor, although if we want a young coach/manager, who plays a variant of 3-5-2 and has not only played for the club but got promoted under Chris powell, didnt we already have one of those?
Taylor would come to the Club knowing about its history, its fans etc but without any pre-conceived ideas about the squad and more to the point without the players having any pre-conceived ideas about him. On a much grander scale I would liken it to Steven Gerrard taking all that he has learnt about managing at Rangers and Villa before he eventually possibly becomes Liverpool Manager. There's nothing that Gerrard doesn't know about Liverpool but they didn't want him learning his craft there.
It's probably very important that people running the business side of the club understand the history so they understand why certain things work and certain things don't. But does that really also translate to the manager of the first team?
Are we any different to any other club in the fact we have a ground, a training ground, play 11 a side football on a similar size pitch? The fans want to win football matches, preferably with aesthetically pleasing football, and the minimum expectation is that they players look like they care and are putting in the required effort. Doesn't that describe every club?
Agreed, I always find it hilarious when managers do the " The one thing the Cambridge fans demand is hard work and fighting for the shirt" as if that was unique, and Peterborough fans were happy to see lazy, half arsed players!3 -
The other side of the coin is (and I’m making the salary up here). Exeter pay Taylor £150k year…Charlton offer him £250k a year and a 3 year contract. I very much doubt if a conversation with Jackson is going to sway him.paulfox said:
Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself.shirty5 said:So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission.
However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013.
No better person to ask than Jackson0 -
In Exeter picking up my daughter from uni, I haven't seen anyone in an Exeter shirt. I take that to mean he is joining us and the locals are digusted.17
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Are you saying he’d be swayed by money??!!!! Surely not he’d being joining for prestige wouldn’t he!!😜😂ricky_otto said:
The other side of the coin is (and I’m making the salary up here). Exeter pay Taylor £150k year…Charlton offer him £250k a year and a 3 year contract. I very much doubt if a conversation with Jackson is going to sway him.paulfox said:
Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself.shirty5 said:So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission.
However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013.
No better person to ask than Jackson0 -
More than that. Imagine the lure of being able to take the the training pitch with Albie Morgan every day.paulfox said:
Are you saying he’d be swayed by money??!!!! Surely not he’d being joining for prestige wouldn’t he!!😜😂ricky_otto said:
The other side of the coin is (and I’m making the salary up here). Exeter pay Taylor £150k year…Charlton offer him £250k a year and a 3 year contract. I very much doubt if a conversation with Jackson is going to sway him.paulfox said:
Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself.shirty5 said:So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission.
However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013.
No better person to ask than Jackson0 -
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Some turnaround if lyle Taylor ends up being our manager7
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We’d be on the brink of relegation and he would refuse to manage usmaddferrett said:Some turnaround if lyle Taylor ends up being our manager6 -
Give it timepaulfox said:
Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself.shirty5 said:So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission.
However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013.
No better person to ask than Jackson
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Perhaps but it’s worth remembering that Johnnie would still like to be at Charlton.shirty5 said:So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission.
However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013.
No better person to ask than Jackson1 -
Tsk. You couldn’t make a spo ge without an eggValleyGary said:
I'm gonna tell you its utter gibberish. Not one coherent sentence.addick1956 said:
I have just pointed out that I wasn't wrong on this yet you insist that wasn't the case.ValleyGary said:
You usually are...addick1956 said:
Watford and Fleetwood have hired already . The rest with managers are signing players and we are tracing last years disaster when we had a manager who apparently was bi passed on some signings of which , somewere late anyway . We then scrabbled around in September. The answer was Soarè.DA9 said:
That’s the spirit!addick1956 said:We will hire who ever is left on the self in late August.
When I pointed out in mid June our recruitment was slow and not in line with smashing the league I was rounded on by all. Now everyone agrees last summer was piss poor.
That is why I say thar, history doesn't exactly point to anything else does it , with Tommy.
Why he just doesn't do his badges and have done with it.
3 managers in 20 months isn't goi g to attract a high flyer does it.
I hope I am wrong.
I also said that a less than half fit Aneke wasn't a good idea. What happened he missed most of the games from Jan to April 30th..or perhaps we only played
He played 9 games of 22 or 23 available , started 4 completed 2 and collected 4 yellow cards straight of. He didn't actually change many came outcomes apart from Cheltenham and maybe Shrewsbury.
But you will tell.me that is wrong too.0 -
I think there are some that really believe it’s a possibility the way they carry on. People seem to be quite keen on putting the boot in on old Tommy, not sure why because for me the biggest let downs were the team and the outgoing manager in that order.maybe if any of the doubters have concrete evidence that there are sinister things happening, they should come clean with us not in the know fans , it is becoming really tedious reading how every decision is a bad one. If things are amiss then fine, but if it’s just conjecture let the bloke get on and sort things out.charltonbob said:
Give it timepaulfox said:
Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself.shirty5 said:So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission.
However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013.
No better person to ask than Jackson7 -
Well he’s sort of sorted it out by putting his son in charge of recruitment. You know, the one with the hard shot.paulfox said:
I think there are some that really believe it’s a possibility the way they carry on. People seem to be quite keen on putting the boot in on old Tommy, not sure why because for me the biggest let downs were the team and the outgoing manager in that order.maybe if any of the doubters have concrete evidence that there are sinister things happening, they should come clean with us not in the know fans , it is becoming really tedious reading how every decision is a bad one. If things are amiss then fine, but if it’s just conjecture let the bloke get on and sort things out.charltonbob said:
Give it timepaulfox said:
Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself.shirty5 said:So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission.
However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013.
No better person to ask than Jackson
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I’m not sure anyone mentioned so far will agree to work within the constraints of the current player recruitment set-up.2
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I’m not defending him as i don’t know the facts, but did I incorrectly read somewhere he is overseeing the analytics department not actually signing the players?. Are we getting our knickers in a twist with only getting half the story?. Im keeping my powder dry until we see who the manager is, im guessing we will all have a better idea once the first couple of signings are made as to whether we should question what’s going on. Unless as I said previously there is something for certain,somebody knows that maybe we should be made privy too.LargeAddick said:
Well he’s sort of sorted it out by putting his son in charge of recruitment. You know, the one with the hard shot.paulfox said:
I think there are some that really believe it’s a possibility the way they carry on. People seem to be quite keen on putting the boot in on old Tommy, not sure why because for me the biggest let downs were the team and the outgoing manager in that order.maybe if any of the doubters have concrete evidence that there are sinister things happening, they should come clean with us not in the know fans , it is becoming really tedious reading how every decision is a bad one. If things are amiss then fine, but if it’s just conjecture let the bloke get on and sort things out.charltonbob said:
Give it timepaulfox said:
Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself.shirty5 said:So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission.
However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013.
No better person to ask than Jackson1 -
Much was made of Thomas Driesen being appointed when he had no real experience in the game but was making decisions on which players the manager should buy. What's the difference here? Seems like it's just some other chap with no experience being given a job to do that he is underqualified for. What may make matters worse is that it's the owner's son, so clearly the accusations of nepotism are bound to materialise.paulfox said:
I’m not defending him as i don’t know the facts, but did I incorrectly read somewhere he is overseeing the analytics department not actually signing the players?. Are we getting our knickers in a twist with only getting half the story?. Im keeping my powder dry until we see who the manager is, im guessing we will all have a better idea once the first couple of signings are made as to whether we should question what’s going on. Unless as I said previously there is something for certain,somebody knows that maybe we should be made privy too.LargeAddick said:
Well he’s sort of sorted it out by putting his son in charge of recruitment. You know, the one with the hard shot.paulfox said:
I think there are some that really believe it’s a possibility the way they carry on. People seem to be quite keen on putting the boot in on old Tommy, not sure why because for me the biggest let downs were the team and the outgoing manager in that order.maybe if any of the doubters have concrete evidence that there are sinister things happening, they should come clean with us not in the know fans , it is becoming really tedious reading how every decision is a bad one. If things are amiss then fine, but if it’s just conjecture let the bloke get on and sort things out.charltonbob said:
Give it timepaulfox said:
Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself.shirty5 said:So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission.
However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013.
No better person to ask than Jackson6
