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Football still has a macho and misogynistic culture, so of course it's different. You can debate the wrongs and rights of that all day, but you can't debate it exists.MrOneLung said:
@vfrf - why would a woman managing a group of male footballers be any different to a woman managing a group of male accountants, doctors, bank staff, bakers etcVfrf said:
Sure, if it is just a coach you're looking for. Managers tend to have more over-arching duties including handling personal issues, dressing somebody down when necessary, there are natural differences between the characters or women vs men. Maybe when this particular change happens in English football it will be a success, jury is still out for me on whether a woman in charge would be able to reign in 20+ young men all with bags of banter and attitude, having to retain that level of respect at the helm.ShootersHillGuru said:
Can’t see why. Coaching and good ideas for football are not the preserve of men. I don’t see a problem. We’re not asking her to go in goal are we.golfaddick said:Ok, I'll bite.
No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.
Ok, I've said it. So sue me.
There's every chance Emma would come in and be a success, but as we haven't seen a female manager in the mens English game yet, I for one would rather us not be the guinea pig of this particular social experiment considering how wide apart the women's game currently is from the mens.
There is absolutely no difference in managing a women's team to managing a men's team.
Most successful footballers have wives and girlfriends that are more likely to be seen in celebrity magazines than managing a group of accountants.
Again, I'm not saying it's right.1 -
As much as Beale is my No1 choice and was when both Bowyer and Adkins left , I'm really not sure we could tempt him away from Stevie G and Villa. Would be one hell of a coup if we could but just seems really unlikely1
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Would be very happy with Beale. If the new manager isn’t going to have much say on recruitment then getting the best coach possible is a good idea. As a long term option with a really good crop of U18s coming through then he could be perfect. Will put us in good position for any loans from Chelsea, Liverpool and Villa also.1
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Is she? Why?J BLOCK said:
Also very obnoxiousPelling1993 said:Emma Hayes is far too Chelsea for me, want nothing to do with that pond scum club0 -
That should change though - and it's only gonna change by clubs making progressive moves like appointing a women as the men's coach.balham red said:
Football still has a macho and misogynistic culture, so of course it's different. You can debate the wrongs and rights of that all day, but you can't debate it exists.MrOneLung said:
@vfrf - why would a woman managing a group of male footballers be any different to a woman managing a group of male accountants, doctors, bank staff, bakers etcVfrf said:
Sure, if it is just a coach you're looking for. Managers tend to have more over-arching duties including handling personal issues, dressing somebody down when necessary, there are natural differences between the characters or women vs men. Maybe when this particular change happens in English football it will be a success, jury is still out for me on whether a woman in charge would be able to reign in 20+ young men all with bags of banter and attitude, having to retain that level of respect at the helm.ShootersHillGuru said:
Can’t see why. Coaching and good ideas for football are not the preserve of men. I don’t see a problem. We’re not asking her to go in goal are we.golfaddick said:Ok, I'll bite.
No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.
Ok, I've said it. So sue me.
There's every chance Emma would come in and be a success, but as we haven't seen a female manager in the mens English game yet, I for one would rather us not be the guinea pig of this particular social experiment considering how wide apart the women's game currently is from the mens.
There is absolutely no difference in managing a women's team to managing a men's team.
Most successful footballers have wives and girlfriends that are more likely to be seen in celebrity magazines than managing a group of accountants.
Again, I'm not saying it's right.0 -
Just from what i've seen from her on SSN and in interviews. Found her very unlikable.The Red Robin said:
Is she? Why?J BLOCK said:
Also very obnoxiousPelling1993 said:Emma Hayes is far too Chelsea for me, want nothing to do with that pond scum club2 -
OK. Personally think she’s brilliant on TV as well and better than most of the same old names that get dragged on as pundits.J BLOCK said:
Just from what i've seen from her on SSN and in interviews. Found her very unlikable.The Red Robin said:
Is she? Why?J BLOCK said:
Also very obnoxiousPelling1993 said:Emma Hayes is far too Chelsea for me, want nothing to do with that pond scum club1 -
How do you qualify that statement when it's never been done?MrOneLung said:
@vfrf - why would a woman managing a group of male footballers be any different to a woman managing a group of male accountants, doctors, bank staff, bakers etcVfrf said:
Sure, if it is just a coach you're looking for. Managers tend to have more over-arching duties including handling personal issues, dressing somebody down when necessary, there are natural differences between the characters or women vs men. Maybe when this particular change happens in English football it will be a success, jury is still out for me on whether a woman in charge would be able to reign in 20+ young men all with bags of banter and attitude, having to retain that level of respect at the helm.ShootersHillGuru said:
Can’t see why. Coaching and good ideas for football are not the preserve of men. I don’t see a problem. We’re not asking her to go in goal are we.golfaddick said:Ok, I'll bite.
No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.
Ok, I've said it. So sue me.
There's every chance Emma would come in and be a success, but as we haven't seen a female manager in the mens English game yet, I for one would rather us not be the guinea pig of this particular social experiment considering how wide apart the women's game currently is from the mens.
There is absolutely no difference in managing a women's team to managing a men's team.
In all of those industries you've mentioned, there's often a relatively balanced mix of both sexes in the actual teams. As a female manager in mens football, you'll often be the only female in the room unless you bring your own background staff so to say there's absolutely no difference is a hell of an assumption. You can't get past the biology of there being differences in men and women, also for what it's worth, I never said she'd be unsuccessful - I just said I don't want us to be the first team to do it as it could backfire and I'm quite frankly fed up with gambling and saying 'next year we'll kick on'.1 -
Chelsea's women team manager is a bigger job then ours21
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If he has any ambition he may not want to stay in Gerard’s shadow, and a breakthrough into management at a club with potential might be just what he’s looking for.MarcusH26 said:As much as Beale is my No1 choice and was when both Bowyer and Adkins left , I'm really not sure we could tempt him away from Stevie G and Villa. Would be one hell of a coup if we could but just seems really unlikelyAlternatively Villa might have offered him big bucks and/or a path into management.1 - Sponsored links:
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Fair, but this is Manchester United we are talking about. Mckenna could have stayed till the end of the season as who knew how Ragnicks tenure was going to go. Say they got top 4 and won a cup, if he is part of that set-up, his CV is going to be impressive. Instead, he opted to take a managerial job as soon as he could be because I assume, turning down a manager's job if that is what you wanted to do long term was too good to turn down, especially at a club like Ipswitch.Cafc43v3r said:
But they weren't Ragnick's men, so to speak, and there was no guarantee that they would still be there next season as yet another manager comes in, wanting to bring his own people in. Part of the decision for McKenna to leave was probably timing. None of that applies to Beale currently.Addick_8 said:
Wouldn't say they were leftovers. They were kept on even after Ole left (Carrick chose to leave) but Mckenna was a first-team coach under Ragnick so was part of the coaching set-up still.Cafc43v3r said:
A but different though McKenna (and Carrick) weren't part of the package they were "left overs" from the previous managers. Beale specifically moved jobs twice to go with Stevie G MBE.Addick_8 said:Confused as to why people think he wouldn't leave Premier League Villa as it's a good job etc.
Mckenna left Man Utd to take up his first managerial role... why wouldn't Beale leave Villa?
Beale following Gerrard from Rangers to Villa is a given, he wouldn't have stayed at Rangers when there's a guaranteed job for him at Villa.
Remember, Beale as publicly said positive things about Charlton whilst we were looking for a manager so effectively putting himself in the shop window as well as having a conversation with TS before. I think if he was that committed to following Gerrard, he wouldn't be doing that in my opinion. If Beale wants to be managerial and wasn't too annoyed at TS comments when we recruited before about wanting to be a little more "Ambitious" then I think we would see that Beale isn't as locked into Villa/Gerrard as you think..0 -
People can laugh all they want on here but it’s true.Rothko said:Chelsea's women team manager is a bigger job then ours9 -
How do you define bigger then?The Red Robin said:
People can laugh all they want on here but it’s true.Rothko said:Chelsea's women team manager is a bigger job then ours0 -
How are you comparing?The Red Robin said:
People can laugh all they want on here but it’s true.Rothko said:Chelsea's women team manager is a bigger job then ours0 -
Higher profile, better paid, better infrastructure, she's still got ambitions around the Champions League and competing with Barcelona.JamesSeed said:
How do you define bigger then?The Red Robin said:
People can laugh all they want on here but it’s true.Rothko said:Chelsea's women team manager is a bigger job then ours8 -
With that logic, managing the Chelsea u16s is a 'bigger' job than Charlton first-team manager then.Rothko said:
Higher profile, better paid, better infrastructure, she's still got ambitions around the Champions League and competing with Barcelona.JamesSeed said:
How do you define bigger then?The Red Robin said:
People can laugh all they want on here but it’s true.Rothko said:Chelsea's women team manager is a bigger job then ours0 -
I don't know how you have that leap, a step up from the U16s in the men's games is a step up, but not between one of the best jobs in the Women's game to a lower league in the men's sport.Vfrf said:
With that logic, managing the Chelsea u16s is a better job than Charlton first-team manager then.Rothko said:
Higher profile, better paid, better infrastructure, she's still got ambitions around the Champions League and competing with Barcelona.JamesSeed said:
How do you define bigger then?The Red Robin said:
People can laugh all they want on here but it’s true.Rothko said:Chelsea's women team manager is a bigger job then ours
It also predisposes that the Women's game should know its place3 -
Can’t argue against that as it’s subjective. What always makes me laugh on a Saturday if you go through the BBC sports they have the women’s premier league results between championship and league 1. Purely because everyone wants to see the women’s premier league results before the lower leagues.By default the Women’s Premier league is better than league 1 because it has a higher profile with media outlets.Rothko said:
Higher profile, better paid, better infrastructure, she's still got ambitions around the Champions League and competing with Barcelona.JamesSeed said:
How do you define bigger then?The Red Robin said:
People can laugh all they want on here but it’s true.Rothko said:Chelsea's women team manager is a bigger job then ours2 - Sponsored links:
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unfortunately Ipswich is a better job than ours at the moment. Biggest budget in the league, their squad should have gone up this year and I think will do next year. With them it’s just a case of when will they go up and their ambitions are being backed up by actions. For us it’s a lot less certain that will be getting promoted soon. As he’s in a top level coaching job he can afford to bide his time and only leave if the job is the right one, but not sure we will be viewed that wayAddick_8 said:
Fair, but this is Manchester United we are talking about. Mckenna could have stayed till the end of the season as who knew how Ragnicks tenure was going to go. Say they got top 4 and won a cup, if he is part of that set-up, his CV is going to be impressive. Instead, he opted to take a managerial job as soon as he could be because I assume, turning down a manager's job if that is what you wanted to do long term was too good to turn down, especially at a club like Ipswitch.Cafc43v3r said:
But they weren't Ragnick's men, so to speak, and there was no guarantee that they would still be there next season as yet another manager comes in, wanting to bring his own people in. Part of the decision for McKenna to leave was probably timing. None of that applies to Beale currently.Addick_8 said:
Wouldn't say they were leftovers. They were kept on even after Ole left (Carrick chose to leave) but Mckenna was a first-team coach under Ragnick so was part of the coaching set-up still.Cafc43v3r said:
A but different though McKenna (and Carrick) weren't part of the package they were "left overs" from the previous managers. Beale specifically moved jobs twice to go with Stevie G MBE.Addick_8 said:Confused as to why people think he wouldn't leave Premier League Villa as it's a good job etc.
Mckenna left Man Utd to take up his first managerial role... why wouldn't Beale leave Villa?
Beale following Gerrard from Rangers to Villa is a given, he wouldn't have stayed at Rangers when there's a guaranteed job for him at Villa.
Remember, Beale as publicly said positive things about Charlton whilst we were looking for a manager so effectively putting himself in the shop window as well as having a conversation with TS before. I think if he was that committed to following Gerrard, he wouldn't be doing that in my opinion. If Beale wants to be managerial and wasn't too annoyed at TS comments when we recruited before about wanting to be a little more "Ambitious" then I think we would see that Beale isn't as locked into Villa/Gerrard as you think..0 -
What is the average attendance for a Chelsea women's game 15,000, 20,000, 25,000 or more?
I honestly didn't know Chelsea women's team is bigger than Charlton.6 -
You've phrased that in quite a misogynistic way, but yes, the women's game is even beyond boys football, let alone mens. Chelsea Women in 2021/22 had average attendance of between 3,000-4,000.Rothko said:
I don't know how you have that leap, a step up from the U16s in the men's games is a step up, but not between one of the best jobs in the Women's game to a lower league in the men's sport.Vfrf said:
With that logic, managing the Chelsea u16s is a better job than Charlton first-team manager then.Rothko said:
Higher profile, better paid, better infrastructure, she's still got ambitions around the Champions League and competing with Barcelona.JamesSeed said:
How do you define bigger then?The Red Robin said:
People can laugh all they want on here but it’s true.Rothko said:Chelsea's women team manager is a bigger job then ours
It also predisposes that the Women's game should know its place
In-case you didn't catch it but back in 2018 the last time an event like this was tried, the USA women's team (world champions) lost 5-2 to an U15's boys team, and let's face it, USA is hardly pre-eminent for mens football: Link. I agree with you in terms of satisfaction, European football etc - the Chelsea women's job is superior, but in terms of difficulty, experience, follwoing and prestige required then I'm sorry but it's nowhere near the vacant Charlton job.
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The level if quality in Women's football vs mens is HUGE, it's not an opinion, it's a fact.Rothko said:
I don't know how you have that leap, a step up from the U16s in the men's games is a step up, but not between one of the best jobs in the Women's game to a lower league in the men's sport.Vfrf said:
With that logic, managing the Chelsea u16s is a better job than Charlton first-team manager then.Rothko said:
Higher profile, better paid, better infrastructure, she's still got ambitions around the Champions League and competing with Barcelona.JamesSeed said:
How do you define bigger then?The Red Robin said:
People can laugh all they want on here but it’s true.Rothko said:Chelsea's women team manager is a bigger job then ours
It also predisposes that the Women's game should know its place5 -
I phrased it in a misogynist way? Ok, love to know how.Vfrf said:
You've phrased that in quite a misogynistic way, but yes, the women's game is even beyond boys football, let alone mens.Rothko said:
I don't know how you have that leap, a step up from the U16s in the men's games is a step up, but not between one of the best jobs in the Women's game to a lower league in the men's sport.Vfrf said:
With that logic, managing the Chelsea u16s is a better job than Charlton first-team manager then.Rothko said:
Higher profile, better paid, better infrastructure, she's still got ambitions around the Champions League and competing with Barcelona.JamesSeed said:
How do you define bigger then?The Red Robin said:
People can laugh all they want on here but it’s true.Rothko said:Chelsea's women team manager is a bigger job then ours
It also predisposes that the Women's game should know its place
In-case you didn't catch it but back in 2018 the last time an event like this was tried, the USA women's team (world champions) lost 5-2 to an U15's boys team, and let's face it, USA is hardly pre-eminent for mens football: Link. I agree with you in terms of satisfaction, European football etc - the Chelsea women's job is superior, but in terms of difficulty, experience and prestige required then I'm sorry but it's nowhere near the vacant Charlton job.0 -
Just googled it 3,067.Covered End said:What is the average attendance for a Chelsea women's game 15,000, 20,000, 25,000 or more?
I honestly didn't know Chelsea women's team is bigger than Charlton.15 -
They aren'tCovered End said:What is the average attendance for a Chelsea women's game 15,000, 20,000, 25,000 or more?
I honestly didn't know Chelsea women's team is bigger than Charlton.7 -
'Should know its place' was your phrase of choice. Also telling that you ignored the rest of the postRothko said:
I phrased it in a misogynist way? Ok, love to know how.Vfrf said:
You've phrased that in quite a misogynistic way, but yes, the women's game is even beyond boys football, let alone mens.Rothko said:
I don't know how you have that leap, a step up from the U16s in the men's games is a step up, but not between one of the best jobs in the Women's game to a lower league in the men's sport.Vfrf said:
With that logic, managing the Chelsea u16s is a better job than Charlton first-team manager then.Rothko said:
Higher profile, better paid, better infrastructure, she's still got ambitions around the Champions League and competing with Barcelona.JamesSeed said:
How do you define bigger then?The Red Robin said:
People can laugh all they want on here but it’s true.Rothko said:Chelsea's women team manager is a bigger job then ours
It also predisposes that the Women's game should know its place
In-case you didn't catch it but back in 2018 the last time an event like this was tried, the USA women's team (world champions) lost 5-2 to an U15's boys team, and let's face it, USA is hardly pre-eminent for mens football: Link. I agree with you in terms of satisfaction, European football etc - the Chelsea women's job is superior, but in terms of difficulty, experience and prestige required then I'm sorry but it's nowhere near the vacant Charlton job.
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In which case she wont be coming to us then presumably. Debate is therefore pointless in the context of 'next manager'.The Red Robin said:
People can laugh all they want on here but it’s true.Rothko said:Chelsea's women team manager is a bigger job then ours1 -
Turn it in!Rothko said:Chelsea's women team manager is a bigger job then ours11
