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  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    RC_CAFC said:
    Covered End said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Can anyone with more knowledge give me some information on why Matt Taylor is so sort after (apart from the obvious has achieved promotion).

    I’ve watched a couple of interviews with him and like the way he articulates himself, but will be interested to know what sort of football Exeter play, what sort of budget he was working towards, how good their youth system is etc.
    He wasn't mentioned before Exeter were promoted at his 4th attempt.
    The fact that he's ex-Charlton, we are obsessed with bringing back ex-players and he's comparatively young are the only other reasons that I can see.
    He’s done an excellent job at Exeter, in what has been a difficult few years for them to build a sustained push. Each year, to balance the books, they sell their best players. We’ve tried to get a couple of them over the last few seasons I believe. They’ve always been close to promotion, indeed could have been promoted the year of covid if it hadn’t stopped early.

    He seems to be well respected by his players and is all about pushing forward together as a club.

    He is a little more out of the Powell mould of hard work, team spirit and togetherness as opposed to Rob Edwards who is more consistent high press, and trying to win the ball back as high up the pitch as he can.

    He would be a very sound appointment and it is good to get a manager on the up if he did indeed get the job.
    Thank you for the informative response. I do wonder if that fits in with TS vision for the how he wants the club to play football moving forwards. 

    As mentioned I do like how he comes across in interviews, however part of me feels if we are going to make a new appointment now I would like someone with a complete different ethos to Bowyer and Jackson. To be honest I would just like to be able to watch a team that can pass it through the middle of the pitch quickly and get exciting players on the ball in attacking positions. 

    I know people often tend to look down at the quality of football in the lower leagues, and of course it is no where near as good as the premiership - however it is lightyears ahead of what it was 10 or so years ago, and good coaching with the right players can certainly lead to some half decent football.
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,484
    Redrobo said:
    LTKapal said:
    Callumcafc said:
    A slightly more substantial source, still crossing my fingers for Beale or Warburton though 
    Whooosh.

    Check the date.
    Yeah. Everyone saying TS weren't prepared. He was sourcing someone in 2011 ffs!
  • MrLargo
    MrLargo Posts: 7,989
    JohnnyH2 said:
    ChelmsfordAddick said:
    If it is to be Taylor, I think I'm right in saying that it will be the first time since Nelson (48 years ago) that a manager has been prepared to leave a club while still under contract to "better himself" at CAFC? Feel the warm glow as our self esteem rises!
    Dowie did the same but tried resigning to get round the compensation 
    He got Simon Jordan to release him from his contract on the basis that he wanted to move back up North for family reasons, and then joined us.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    Well if it is Taylor we should all get behind him and it is better it is announced now than drags on.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    addick1956 said:
    The Red Robin said:
    RC_CAFC said:
    Covered End said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Can anyone with more knowledge give me some information on why Matt Taylor is so sort after (apart from the obvious has achieved promotion).

    I’ve watched a couple of interviews with him and like the way he articulates himself, but will be interested to know what sort of football Exeter play, what sort of budget he was working towards, how good their youth system is etc.
    He wasn't mentioned before Exeter were promoted at his 4th attempt.
    The fact that he's ex-Charlton, we are obsessed with bringing back ex-players and he's comparatively young are the only other reasons that I can see.
    He’s done an excellent job at Exeter, in what has been a difficult few years for them to build a sustained push. Each year, to balance the books, they sell their best players. We’ve tried to get a couple of them over the last few seasons I believe. They’ve always been close to promotion, indeed could have been promoted the year of covid if it hadn’t stopped early.

    He seems to be well respected by his players and is all about pushing forward together as a club.

    He is a little more out of the Powell mould of hard work, team spirit and togetherness as opposed to Rob Edwards who is more consistent high press, and trying to win the ball back as high up the pitch as he can.

    He would be a very sound appointment and it is good to get a manager on the up if he did indeed get the job.
    Took Curbs a few attempts to get promoted as well. He was rubbish. 
    I never thought  Curbishley  was rubbish...we had been at West Ham when he joined. The club had other things to do like survive back at the Valley. 

    All that hard work by the supporters and Varney et Al and it ends up in the hands of Roland Two shit houses. Grrr.
    Was a joke
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    Dave Rudd said:
    AFKABartram said:
    Croydon said:
    Gary Poole said:
    Bearing in mind Curbs already works for the club on the tv channel and has seen most of our games last season.  I do think TS would be mad not to have a chat with him about footballing matters at the club and get his views. Might be worth considering involving him  if willing in the interview process. For I know that might already be happening or Curbs might prefer not to get involved with any of it.
    Curbs thinks Gilbey is good. That should be enough for you all to realise that he has been out of the game for too long.
    Probably different interpretations of ‘good’. I think Gilbey is good in the sense that he has the technical  ability to travel with the ball at his feet with pace far higher than the vast majority of players at L1 level, and that should be a real asset to the team. But it’s not been utilised in the right way, attacking the right zones from the right angles, and I think overall he had a poor season. I’m sure there are varying reasons for that. 

    Curbs can bring me in as his young assistant if he likes…
    Correct.  At League 1 level, Gilbey should be a star.

    If the new guy gets him firing, you will see a Rolls-Royce of a player next season.
    I think he sometimes looks that way when he’s running with the ball, but to be a star you have to do something with it, and too often his final pass went astray, or he just lost the ball. His first touch is a bit so so as well. With some players we tend to forget their mistakes, and Gilbey is one of those. The complete opposite to a player like Naby Sarr perhaps. 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    Does Taylor fit in with TS saying that the aim was to go more high profile than Michael Beale ? It clearly doesn’t. I think this Taylor “done deal” is nothing of the sort. I still don’t think it’s him or at least if it is he wasn’t first choice. 
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    Covered End said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Can anyone with more knowledge give me some information on why Matt Taylor is so sort after (apart from the obvious has achieved promotion).

    I’ve watched a couple of interviews with him and like the way he articulates himself, but will be interested to know what sort of football Exeter play, what sort of budget he was working towards, how good their youth system is etc.
    He wasn't mentioned before Exeter were promoted at his 4th attempt.
    The fact that he's ex-Charlton, we are obsessed with bringing back ex-players and he's comparatively young are the only other reasons that I can see.
    There are tons of posts about this earlier in the thread @FishCostaFortune, and from memory weren’t they saying that he performed wonders with a tiny budget, culminating in the promotion, and along the way they played nice football?
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Can anyone with more knowledge give me some information on why Matt Taylor is so sort after (apart from the obvious has achieved promotion).

    I’ve watched a couple of interviews with him and like the way he articulates himself, but will be interested to know what sort of football Exeter play, what sort of budget he was working towards, how good their youth system is etc.
    See below in bold the answer to some of those points:

    I know that this isn't the first time I've mentioned him and I'm going to sound like a warped record but I am scratching my head as to why Matt Taylor isn't being talked up or included in the betting for our next Manager. So, what is wrong with the credentials of someone that

    (1) is not just leading his team to promotion but on the verge of being Champions too

    (2) is managing a team that has picked up 50 out of the last 66 points available

    (3) is in charge of a side that has only conceded 6 goals in their last 12 matches when the pressure for promotion is at its greatest

    (4) has been in the same job for four seasons with a win record of 45% and a loss record of just 25% from 212 games in charge

    (5) was a major part of CP's League 1 Champions team in playing in 41 of the 46 games that season

    (6) is so open to different footballing ideas so much so that, at the very late age of 23, he switched from being a keeper to a centre back. Who has ever done that successfully?

    (7) played for his current club as he did for us so has proven credentials for being able to play, coach and manage at the same club

    (8) played with a major figure in our backroom staff namely Jason Euell

    (9) is known for bringing through young players - six of the 14 players used in their last game are 23 or younger and only two are older than 27

    (10) Success despite having to sell the attacking influences of Jayden Stockley, Randell Williams, Ryan Bowman and Joey Randall but identified suitable replacements

    (11) Will know how to bring the very best out of Stockley who he managed at Exeter and unless we sell him that will be a major key to our success

    (12) on his release as a player, our very own fans said of him on CL: 
    "Never once moaned about losing his place and was always available when called upon. Great pro, good luck to him"
    "Had the pleasure of a round of golf with him and he was genuinely a great bloke"
    "Was on Matt's table at the sponsors do in the promotion season. Lovely fella"
    "Yep good luck to Matt always gave 100% and nice bloke gave my son a signed shirt when he left"
    "Matt is a good friend of a contact of mine in Manchester. When he heard I was a Charlton fan he went to the trouble of getting me a signed Charlton shirt of all the players in our Division 1 title winning side. That is now framed and has pride of place on my hall wall. Genuine bloke"
    "If only all players had the attitude, character and commitment that Matt Taylor showed"

    (13) the fans of his current club rank him (in his first job as a manager) as one of their best ever Managers as per these comments from half a dozen contributors to their forum:
    "In four seasons MT has rebuilt a couple of attacking teams now, quite frankly i actually believe last season in periods-that was probably the most formidable attacking team (Randall,Randall,Jay,Bowman) i've ever seen at SJP. Its been a long ten years in League 2 and Matty had gone close, but for me you have to praise him because people were quite rightly questioning if it was ever going to happen, we had just received the Watkins and Randall Money and Fans expectations changed drastically and he got his Marquee signings in and has now fantastically completed the job. For me Taylor is on course to be our Best Manager ever, He's also my favourite manager ever in that he is very humble and will take accountability and i'm sure if things do wrong and he wasn't the man to take the club forward, he would be the first person to say so."
    "I think if we win the title then it elevates Taylor above Tisdale as it will be one each on net promotions but winning the Championship pips it. Its a close call but then taking into account both of their personalities Taylor wins as Tisdale was a c0ck and Taylor isn't."
    "Tactically, MT has the edge on the other managers of the promotion sides I have seen."
    "What really excites though, is looking forward. This season MT has really produced the goods, and for the most part through very entertaining football (which is why I think the crowds this season have been so impressive). He’s had a cash advantage, but still less to play with than a few of the others in the division. I think if he can keep the better players and add a couple the next couple of seasons could put him top for me"
    "Matt Taylor is the GOAT"

    If we want someone who will, potentially, build for the future as opposed to a short term fix then why not go for a Manager with a proven record for doing so and who carries no baggage with him. There are clues from what our supporters who know him said when he left us and what Exeter fans are saying now so far as his personality is concerned. But we also know that he likes his sides to play entertaining football, that he is tactically sound and knows who and what type of player to bring in. In fact, he sounds very much like Eddie Howe and his playing background is similar too - I don't think Howe ever played above League 1. 

    And for those that still have doubts about his ability to produce the magical, from five years ago when he was the Exeter defensive coach, please watch this!
  • RC_CAFC
    RC_CAFC Posts: 1,754
    FishCostaFortune said:
    RC_CAFC said:
    Covered End said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Can anyone with more knowledge give me some information on why Matt Taylor is so sort after (apart from the obvious has achieved promotion).

    I’ve watched a couple of interviews with him and like the way he articulates himself, but will be interested to know what sort of football Exeter play, what sort of budget he was working towards, how good their youth system is etc.
    He wasn't mentioned before Exeter were promoted at his 4th attempt.
    The fact that he's ex-Charlton, we are obsessed with bringing back ex-players and he's comparatively young are the only other reasons that I can see.
    He’s done an excellent job at Exeter, in what has been a difficult few years for them to build a sustained push. Each year, to balance the books, they sell their best players. We’ve tried to get a couple of them over the last few seasons I believe. They’ve always been close to promotion, indeed could have been promoted the year of covid if it hadn’t stopped early.

    He seems to be well respected by his players and is all about pushing forward together as a club.

    He is a little more out of the Powell mould of hard work, team spirit and togetherness as opposed to Rob Edwards who is more consistent high press, and trying to win the ball back as high up the pitch as he can.

    He would be a very sound appointment and it is good to get a manager on the up if he did indeed get the job.
    Thank you for the informative response. I do wonder if that fits in with TS vision for the how he wants the club to play football moving forwards. 

    As mentioned I do like how he comes across in interviews, however part of me feels if we are going to make a new appointment now I would like someone with a complete different ethos to Bowyer and Jackson. To be honest I would just like to be able to watch a team that can pass it through the middle of the pitch quickly and get exciting players on the ball in attacking positions. 

    I know people often tend to look down at the quality of football in the lower leagues, and of course it is no where near as good as the premiership - however it is lightyears ahead of what it was 10 or so years ago, and good coaching with the right players can certainly lead to some half decent football.
    The quality in the lower leagues is light years above where it used to be and there is an excellent growing trend of young coaches cutting their teeth in the lower leagues and earning their way up unlike big names going straight into clubs because they were great players. 

    I think the advance of coaches such as Tuchel and Klopp, who were decent players but nothing great, has finally allowed clubs to take more risks and realise that to be a great coach/manager you don’t need to have been a great player.

    Agree with you about whether Taylor fits the exact mould TS was referring to, but I think he ticks more boxes than most. And as others have alluded to, with Stockley and Aneke, we are not currently designed for a really high pressing game as you’d need to do that from the front and that is not their game.
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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,623
    2 weeks now.

    Not overly worried but would like a manager in by the end of the month.


  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited May 2022
    Addick Addict said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Can anyone with more knowledge give me some information on why Matt Taylor is so sort after (apart from the obvious has achieved promotion).

    I’ve watched a couple of interviews with him and like the way he articulates himself, but will be interested to know what sort of football Exeter play, what sort of budget he was working towards, how good their youth system is etc.

    If we want someone who will, potentially, build for the future as opposed to a short term fix then why not go for a Manager with a proven record for doing so and who carries no baggage with him. There are clues from what our supporters who know him said when he left us and what Exeter fans are saying now so far as his personality is concerned. But we also know that he likes his sides to play entertaining football, that he is tactically sound and knows who and what type of player to bring in. In fact, he sounds very much like Eddie Howe and his playing background is similar too - I don't think Howe ever played above League 1. 

    And for those that still have doubts about his ability to produce the magical, from five years ago when he was the Exeter defensive coach, please watch this!
    The biggest problem, which seems to escape most people, is if there is no short term fix you can't build for the future.

    In the, almost, two years Sandgaard has owned us he is about 20 million, give or take, in the red.  He owns a year plus 1 option on Dobson's contract and not a lot else.

    Cat 1 academy is going to increase the running costs, not reduce them.  

    TV revenue and central payments aren't going to substantially increase.  The elusive game changing sponsorship deal is never going to happen.

    Do you think anyone is going to gift, because he isnt going to get it back, another 20-30 million on the bases of it might pay off in 3 or 4 years?  And then they can lose another 10 a year in the championship?

    That's not a pro or anti Taylor comment, it's a reflection of the reality we actually face.  If we are in the 3rd division for 4 more years Thomas won't still be here.
  • ChelmsfordAddick
    ChelmsfordAddick Posts: 10
    How Dowie came to us is a moot point, although my understanding is that he resigned from Palace as he needed to move further North for family reasons, so was a free agent when approached. Strictly speaking he did move North, if the map and lines of latitude don't lie. What isn't a moot point is that he was utterly useless.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,031
    ricky_otto said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    Bit of a left field name and hasn't really done much since leaving Huddersfield but what about David Wagner as an option? Would give TS his high press for sure. 
    Hasn't he just left a team that play in the champions league every season? 
    Yeah left Young Boys in Switzerland after coming 15 points behind FC Zurich. 

    I doubt there's any chance of him even being interested but I thought I'd suggest it anyway 
    Not the best thing to have on your CV
    One of your better ones Dicky, still not going to lol it though.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,030


    Cawley saying interview process is still ongoing
  • CharltontillidieCOYR
    CharltontillidieCOYR Posts: 781
    Doubt any of it is straight forward and alot of negotiations regarding contracts wages and the people/teams they want to bring in with them 

    no doubt our lot want to force euell and goalkeeper coach on them and this could be the sticking points atm
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,750
    Covered End said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    paulie8290 said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    It's been a week today since JJ got sacked, and TS should have made an appointment by now.

    The fact that he hasn't shows that it was a petulant, unplanned, ill-thought out sacking.

    I'm curious as to why you think this.

    I literally just said this to someone.

    When Roland employed Luzon/Riga i cant remember which its blurred that time, everyone was moaning saying it was  to quick him and KM didnt do a good enough search.

    So why now TS is looking properly is it apparently to long.

    Surely its better he gets the correct appointment even if it takes 7-14 days from the day JJ was sacked?

    Are you just looking for a reason to moan?
    A stick to beat TS with?

    We are not the only club without a manager atm

    Lincoln haven't had a manager for 10 days
    Fleetwood magical 7 day(according to you) is up tomorrow.

    Does that mean they have been poorly managed or do they not count, as Ts doesn't own them
    I've come in for criticism here so I shall explain my reasoning:

    It had been clear for several months that we weren't going either up or down a division.
    For those last few months we were generally in 13th- 17th place, weren't we? Therefore TS either thought:
    A. This is bad but I trust that JJ can sort it out for next season.
    B. This is bad and I need to change manager.

    If it were B then he should have replaced him with a month or more to go so that the new manager can make his assessments.
    If it were A then he appears to have changed his mind at the last minute, probably due to the Ipswich result. My opinion is that this is what's happened. That's why I call it a petulant decision. It can't be because of our final position as we finished the season in almost the highest position we'd reached all season.

    I may be wrong. What I know for sure was that I thought TS was great when he bought the club and I'm still thankful for that. What I now think is that he doesn't have a clue how to run a football club, and that we'll finish lower next season and then the next and so on until he changes his ways.


    Most fans think it's B.
    The reason being Washington was as good as told this a few weeks before the Ipswich game.
    The most likely reason JJ wasn't sacked sooner, was because TS would have had to pay out less (if any) compensation by waiting until the season ended and JJ had "failed" the agreed contract.

    Fair enough but it's now two weeks since he sacked Jackson and he still hasn't appointed a new manager. If it's B then he should have appointed someone by now. The only good reason why not would be if it's a manager of a play-off team.

    Perhaps 'most fans' are wrong and it's A.


  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    jimmymelrose said:
    Covered End said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    paulie8290 said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    It's been a week today since JJ got sacked, and TS should have made an appointment by now.

    The fact that he hasn't shows that it was a petulant, unplanned, ill-thought out sacking.

    I'm curious as to why you think this.

    I literally just said this to someone.

    When Roland employed Luzon/Riga i cant remember which its blurred that time, everyone was moaning saying it was  to quick him and KM didnt do a good enough search.

    So why now TS is looking properly is it apparently to long.

    Surely its better he gets the correct appointment even if it takes 7-14 days from the day JJ was sacked?

    Are you just looking for a reason to moan?
    A stick to beat TS with?

    We are not the only club without a manager atm

    Lincoln haven't had a manager for 10 days
    Fleetwood magical 7 day(according to you) is up tomorrow.

    Does that mean they have been poorly managed or do they not count, as Ts doesn't own them
    I've come in for criticism here so I shall explain my reasoning:

    It had been clear for several months that we weren't going either up or down a division.
    For those last few months we were generally in 13th- 17th place, weren't we? Therefore TS either thought:
    A. This is bad but I trust that JJ can sort it out for next season.
    B. This is bad and I need to change manager.

    If it were B then he should have replaced him with a month or more to go so that the new manager can make his assessments.
    If it were A then he appears to have changed his mind at the last minute, probably due to the Ipswich result. My opinion is that this is what's happened. That's why I call it a petulant decision. It can't be because of our final position as we finished the season in almost the highest position we'd reached all season.

    I may be wrong. What I know for sure was that I thought TS was great when he bought the club and I'm still thankful for that. What I now think is that he doesn't have a clue how to run a football club, and that we'll finish lower next season and then the next and so on until he changes his ways.


    Most fans think it's B.
    The reason being Washington was as good as told this a few weeks before the Ipswich game.
    The most likely reason JJ wasn't sacked sooner, was because TS would have had to pay out less (if any) compensation by waiting until the season ended and JJ had "failed" the agreed contract.

    Fair enough but it's now two weeks since he sacked Jackson and he still hasn't appointed a new manager. If it's B then he should have appointed someone by now. The only good reason why not would be if it's a manager of a play-off team.

    Perhaps 'most fans' are wrong and it's A.


    Or some candidates have been away for a short break after the season ended, like Jackson did.

    Or some are coaches at Prem clubs so their season hasn’t ended

    Or we were negotiating but someone turned it down (more of a bad reason but could be the case)

    etc
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,458
    MarcusH26 said:


    Cawley saying interview process is still ongoing
    Is TS even in the country?
    3AM interviews are never good
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    The Red Robin said:
    Croydon said:
    Gary Poole said:
    Bearing in mind Curbs already works for the club on the tv channel and has seen most of our games last season.  I do think TS would be mad not to have a chat with him about footballing matters at the club and get his views. Might be worth considering involving him  if willing in the interview process. For I know that might already be happening or Curbs might prefer not to get involved with any of it.
    Curbs thinks Gilbey is good. That should be enough for you all to realise that he has been out of the game for too long.
    Gilbey isn’t a bad player. I’ve seen him run games when he wants to. Sadly, that’s the problem. Sometimes he turns up, sometimes he doesn’t, same with Lee.

    Gilbey at home to Ipswich was excellent. Erratic performances after that but he still did the runs but there was no end products.
    The two yellow cards against Lincoln proved his brain is faulty.

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  • LTKapal
    LTKapal Posts: 1,312
    Redrobo said:
    LTKapal said:
    Callumcafc said:
    A slightly more substantial source, still crossing my fingers for Beale or Warburton though 
    Whooosh.

    Check the date.
    Don't I look like a twat! 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited May 2022
    RC_CAFC said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    RC_CAFC said:
    Covered End said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Can anyone with more knowledge give me some information on why Matt Taylor is so sort after (apart from the obvious has achieved promotion).

    I’ve watched a couple of interviews with him and like the way he articulates himself, but will be interested to know what sort of football Exeter play, what sort of budget he was working towards, how good their youth system is etc.
    He wasn't mentioned before Exeter were promoted at his 4th attempt.
    The fact that he's ex-Charlton, we are obsessed with bringing back ex-players and he's comparatively young are the only other reasons that I can see.
    He’s done an excellent job at Exeter, in what has been a difficult few years for them to build a sustained push. Each year, to balance the books, they sell their best players. We’ve tried to get a couple of them over the last few seasons I believe. They’ve always been close to promotion, indeed could have been promoted the year of covid if it hadn’t stopped early.

    He seems to be well respected by his players and is all about pushing forward together as a club.

    He is a little more out of the Powell mould of hard work, team spirit and togetherness as opposed to Rob Edwards who is more consistent high press, and trying to win the ball back as high up the pitch as he can.

    He would be a very sound appointment and it is good to get a manager on the up if he did indeed get the job.
    Thank you for the informative response. I do wonder if that fits in with TS vision for the how he wants the club to play football moving forwards. 

    As mentioned I do like how he comes across in interviews, however part of me feels if we are going to make a new appointment now I would like someone with a complete different ethos to Bowyer and Jackson. To be honest I would just like to be able to watch a team that can pass it through the middle of the pitch quickly and get exciting players on the ball in attacking positions. 

    I know people often tend to look down at the quality of football in the lower leagues, and of course it is no where near as good as the premiership - however it is lightyears ahead of what it was 10 or so years ago, and good coaching with the right players can certainly lead to some half decent football.
    The quality in the lower leagues is light years above where it used to be and there is an excellent growing trend of young coaches cutting their teeth in the lower leagues and earning their way up unlike big names going straight into clubs because they were great players. 

    I think the advance of coaches such as Tuchel and Klopp, who were decent players but nothing great, has finally allowed clubs to take more risks and realise that to be a great coach/manager you don’t need to have been a great player.

    Agree with you about whether Taylor fits the exact mould TS was referring to, but I think he ticks more boxes than most. And as others have alluded to, with Stockley and Aneke, we are not currently designed for a really high pressing game as you’d need to do that from the front and that is not their game.
    This is a myth Ferguson, Wenger, Fagan, Paisley, Chapman and countless managers before, and after, them weren't great players either.

    ""I never realised that in order to become a jockey you have to have been a horse first." Arrigo Sacchi 

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    European Super Cup: 1989, 1990
    Intercontinental Cup: 1989, 1990
    Coppa Italia Runners-up: 1989–90
    Italy

    FIFA World Cup Runners-up: 1994
    Individual

    Seminatore d'Oro: 1988, 1989

    World Soccer Awards Manager of the Year: 1989

    Greatest Manager of All Time – one of 5 managersranked top 10 by France Football, World Soccer and ESPN

    3rd place (France Football): 2019

    6th place (World Soccer): 2013

    6th place (ESPN): 2013

    European Coach of the Year—Sepp Herberger Award: 1989

    European Coach of the Season: 1989–90

    Italian Football Hall of Fame: 2011

    He never played higher than Sunday league.

    But yeah it's all Klopp and Tuchel.
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,905
    It always amazes me the difference a Manager can make look at Eddie Howe and Newcastle they are a different team under him and it isnt like they have had the chance to spend mega bucks yet but they looked odds on for relegation this year. For me he wins Manager of the season. Forest is another example along with Spurs. All proof the worth of getting the Manager that suits the squad
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Cafc43v3r said:
    RC_CAFC said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    RC_CAFC said:
    Covered End said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Can anyone with more knowledge give me some information on why Matt Taylor is so sort after (apart from the obvious has achieved promotion).

    I’ve watched a couple of interviews with him and like the way he articulates himself, but will be interested to know what sort of football Exeter play, what sort of budget he was working towards, how good their youth system is etc.
    He wasn't mentioned before Exeter were promoted at his 4th attempt.
    The fact that he's ex-Charlton, we are obsessed with bringing back ex-players and he's comparatively young are the only other reasons that I can see.
    He’s done an excellent job at Exeter, in what has been a difficult few years for them to build a sustained push. Each year, to balance the books, they sell their best players. We’ve tried to get a couple of them over the last few seasons I believe. They’ve always been close to promotion, indeed could have been promoted the year of covid if it hadn’t stopped early.

    He seems to be well respected by his players and is all about pushing forward together as a club.

    He is a little more out of the Powell mould of hard work, team spirit and togetherness as opposed to Rob Edwards who is more consistent high press, and trying to win the ball back as high up the pitch as he can.

    He would be a very sound appointment and it is good to get a manager on the up if he did indeed get the job.
    Thank you for the informative response. I do wonder if that fits in with TS vision for the how he wants the club to play football moving forwards. 

    As mentioned I do like how he comes across in interviews, however part of me feels if we are going to make a new appointment now I would like someone with a complete different ethos to Bowyer and Jackson. To be honest I would just like to be able to watch a team that can pass it through the middle of the pitch quickly and get exciting players on the ball in attacking positions. 

    I know people often tend to look down at the quality of football in the lower leagues, and of course it is no where near as good as the premiership - however it is lightyears ahead of what it was 10 or so years ago, and good coaching with the right players can certainly lead to some half decent football.
    The quality in the lower leagues is light years above where it used to be and there is an excellent growing trend of young coaches cutting their teeth in the lower leagues and earning their way up unlike big names going straight into clubs because they were great players. 

    I think the advance of coaches such as Tuchel and Klopp, who were decent players but nothing great, has finally allowed clubs to take more risks and realise that to be a great coach/manager you don’t need to have been a great player.

    Agree with you about whether Taylor fits the exact mould TS was referring to, but I think he ticks more boxes than most. And as others have alluded to, with Stockley and Aneke, we are not currently designed for a really high pressing game as you’d need to do that from the front and that is not their game.
    This is a myth Ferguson, Wenger, Fagan, Paisley, Chapman and countless managers before, and after, them weren't great players either.

    ""I never realised that in order to become a jockey you have to have been a horse first." Arrigo Sacchi 

    Parma

    Serie C1: 1985–86

    Milan

    Serie A: 1987–88
    Supercoppa Italiana: 1988
    European Cup: 1988–89, 1989–90
    European Super Cup: 1989, 1990
    Intercontinental Cup: 1989, 1990
    Coppa Italia Runners-up: 1989–90
    Italy

    FIFA World Cup Runners-up: 1994
    Individual

    Seminatore d'Oro: 1988, 1989

    World Soccer Awards Manager of the Year: 1989

    Greatest Manager of All Time – one of 5 managersranked top 10 by France Football, World Soccer and ESPN

    3rd place (France Football): 2019

    6th place (World Soccer): 2013

    6th place (ESPN): 2013

    European Coach of the Year—Sepp Herberger Award: 1989

    European Coach of the Season: 1989–90

    Italian Football Hall of Fame: 2011

    He never played higher than Sunday league.

    But yeah it's all Klopp and Tuchel.
    Ferguson was decent. Paisley won trophies and captained Liverpool though? 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    RC_CAFC said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    RC_CAFC said:
    Covered End said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Can anyone with more knowledge give me some information on why Matt Taylor is so sort after (apart from the obvious has achieved promotion).

    I’ve watched a couple of interviews with him and like the way he articulates himself, but will be interested to know what sort of football Exeter play, what sort of budget he was working towards, how good their youth system is etc.
    He wasn't mentioned before Exeter were promoted at his 4th attempt.
    The fact that he's ex-Charlton, we are obsessed with bringing back ex-players and he's comparatively young are the only other reasons that I can see.
    He’s done an excellent job at Exeter, in what has been a difficult few years for them to build a sustained push. Each year, to balance the books, they sell their best players. We’ve tried to get a couple of them over the last few seasons I believe. They’ve always been close to promotion, indeed could have been promoted the year of covid if it hadn’t stopped early.

    He seems to be well respected by his players and is all about pushing forward together as a club.

    He is a little more out of the Powell mould of hard work, team spirit and togetherness as opposed to Rob Edwards who is more consistent high press, and trying to win the ball back as high up the pitch as he can.

    He would be a very sound appointment and it is good to get a manager on the up if he did indeed get the job.
    Thank you for the informative response. I do wonder if that fits in with TS vision for the how he wants the club to play football moving forwards. 

    As mentioned I do like how he comes across in interviews, however part of me feels if we are going to make a new appointment now I would like someone with a complete different ethos to Bowyer and Jackson. To be honest I would just like to be able to watch a team that can pass it through the middle of the pitch quickly and get exciting players on the ball in attacking positions. 

    I know people often tend to look down at the quality of football in the lower leagues, and of course it is no where near as good as the premiership - however it is lightyears ahead of what it was 10 or so years ago, and good coaching with the right players can certainly lead to some half decent football.
    The quality in the lower leagues is light years above where it used to be and there is an excellent growing trend of young coaches cutting their teeth in the lower leagues and earning their way up unlike big names going straight into clubs because they were great players. 

    I think the advance of coaches such as Tuchel and Klopp, who were decent players but nothing great, has finally allowed clubs to take more risks and realise that to be a great coach/manager you don’t need to have been a great player.

    Agree with you about whether Taylor fits the exact mould TS was referring to, but I think he ticks more boxes than most. And as others have alluded to, with Stockley and Aneke, we are not currently designed for a really high pressing game as you’d need to do that from the front and that is not their game.
    This is a myth Ferguson, Wenger, Fagan, Paisley, Chapman and countless managers before, and after, them weren't great players either.

    ""I never realised that in order to become a jockey you have to have been a horse first." Arrigo Sacchi 

    Parma

    Serie C1: 1985–86

    Milan

    Serie A: 1987–88
    Supercoppa Italiana: 1988
    European Cup: 1988–89, 1989–90
    European Super Cup: 1989, 1990
    Intercontinental Cup: 1989, 1990
    Coppa Italia Runners-up: 1989–90
    Italy

    FIFA World Cup Runners-up: 1994
    Individual

    Seminatore d'Oro: 1988, 1989

    World Soccer Awards Manager of the Year: 1989

    Greatest Manager of All Time – one of 5 managersranked top 10 by France Football, World Soccer and ESPN

    3rd place (France Football): 2019

    6th place (World Soccer): 2013

    6th place (ESPN): 2013

    European Coach of the Year—Sepp Herberger Award: 1989

    European Coach of the Season: 1989–90

    Italian Football Hall of Fame: 2011

    He never played higher than Sunday league.

    But yeah it's all Klopp and Tuchel.
    Ferguson was decent. Paisley won trophies and captained Liverpool though? 
    Ferguson was probably about as good as Klopp.  Paisley was also a member of the Liverpool team that got relegated from the top flight.  I don't think you could label him a great player.  He was probably better than Jose and Sacchi though. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,989
    Scoham said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    Covered End said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    paulie8290 said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    It's been a week today since JJ got sacked, and TS should have made an appointment by now.

    The fact that he hasn't shows that it was a petulant, unplanned, ill-thought out sacking.

    I'm curious as to why you think this.

    I literally just said this to someone.

    When Roland employed Luzon/Riga i cant remember which its blurred that time, everyone was moaning saying it was  to quick him and KM didnt do a good enough search.

    So why now TS is looking properly is it apparently to long.

    Surely its better he gets the correct appointment even if it takes 7-14 days from the day JJ was sacked?

    Are you just looking for a reason to moan?
    A stick to beat TS with?

    We are not the only club without a manager atm

    Lincoln haven't had a manager for 10 days
    Fleetwood magical 7 day(according to you) is up tomorrow.

    Does that mean they have been poorly managed or do they not count, as Ts doesn't own them
    I've come in for criticism here so I shall explain my reasoning:

    It had been clear for several months that we weren't going either up or down a division.
    For those last few months we were generally in 13th- 17th place, weren't we? Therefore TS either thought:
    A. This is bad but I trust that JJ can sort it out for next season.
    B. This is bad and I need to change manager.

    If it were B then he should have replaced him with a month or more to go so that the new manager can make his assessments.
    If it were A then he appears to have changed his mind at the last minute, probably due to the Ipswich result. My opinion is that this is what's happened. That's why I call it a petulant decision. It can't be because of our final position as we finished the season in almost the highest position we'd reached all season.

    I may be wrong. What I know for sure was that I thought TS was great when he bought the club and I'm still thankful for that. What I now think is that he doesn't have a clue how to run a football club, and that we'll finish lower next season and then the next and so on until he changes his ways.


    Most fans think it's B.
    The reason being Washington was as good as told this a few weeks before the Ipswich game.
    The most likely reason JJ wasn't sacked sooner, was because TS would have had to pay out less (if any) compensation by waiting until the season ended and JJ had "failed" the agreed contract.

    Fair enough but it's now two weeks since he sacked Jackson and he still hasn't appointed a new manager. If it's B then he should have appointed someone by now. The only good reason why not would be if it's a manager of a play-off team.

    Perhaps 'most fans' are wrong and it's A.


    Or some candidates have been away for a short break after the season ended, like Jackson did.

    Or some are coaches at Prem clubs so their season hasn’t ended

    Or we were negotiating but someone turned it down (more of a bad reason but could be the case)

    etc
    Or we are still interviewing candidates,

    Or we are still negotiating terms,

    Or numerous other possible reasons.

    But guaranteed it isn't true, that the only possible reason we haven't appointed a manager, is because they are a manager of a play off team. It's one of many possibilities.
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,364
    Covered End said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Can anyone with more knowledge give me some information on why Matt Taylor is so sort after (apart from the obvious has achieved promotion).

    I’ve watched a couple of interviews with him and like the way he articulates himself, but will be interested to know what sort of football Exeter play, what sort of budget he was working towards, how good their youth system is etc.
    He wasn't mentioned before Exeter were promoted at his 4th attempt.
    The fact that he's ex-Charlton, we are obsessed with bringing back ex-players and he's comparatively young are the only other reasons that I can see.
    I don’t think the ex-Charlton thing is playing much of a part in the discussion personally. It’s not as if we’re talking about someone who is a Charlton legend like a Powell or Jackson. And it’s not as if TS would have known or cared too much about Taylor’s history of Charlton. 

    If he’d never had played for Charlton, he’d still be in the discussion, and that’s because we’re currently not in much of a position to be attracting names of a higher stature.
  • RC_CAFC
    RC_CAFC Posts: 1,754
    Cafc43v3r said:
    RC_CAFC said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    RC_CAFC said:
    Covered End said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Can anyone with more knowledge give me some information on why Matt Taylor is so sort after (apart from the obvious has achieved promotion).

    I’ve watched a couple of interviews with him and like the way he articulates himself, but will be interested to know what sort of football Exeter play, what sort of budget he was working towards, how good their youth system is etc.
    He wasn't mentioned before Exeter were promoted at his 4th attempt.
    The fact that he's ex-Charlton, we are obsessed with bringing back ex-players and he's comparatively young are the only other reasons that I can see.
    He’s done an excellent job at Exeter, in what has been a difficult few years for them to build a sustained push. Each year, to balance the books, they sell their best players. We’ve tried to get a couple of them over the last few seasons I believe. They’ve always been close to promotion, indeed could have been promoted the year of covid if it hadn’t stopped early.

    He seems to be well respected by his players and is all about pushing forward together as a club.

    He is a little more out of the Powell mould of hard work, team spirit and togetherness as opposed to Rob Edwards who is more consistent high press, and trying to win the ball back as high up the pitch as he can.

    He would be a very sound appointment and it is good to get a manager on the up if he did indeed get the job.
    Thank you for the informative response. I do wonder if that fits in with TS vision for the how he wants the club to play football moving forwards. 

    As mentioned I do like how he comes across in interviews, however part of me feels if we are going to make a new appointment now I would like someone with a complete different ethos to Bowyer and Jackson. To be honest I would just like to be able to watch a team that can pass it through the middle of the pitch quickly and get exciting players on the ball in attacking positions. 

    I know people often tend to look down at the quality of football in the lower leagues, and of course it is no where near as good as the premiership - however it is lightyears ahead of what it was 10 or so years ago, and good coaching with the right players can certainly lead to some half decent football.
    The quality in the lower leagues is light years above where it used to be and there is an excellent growing trend of young coaches cutting their teeth in the lower leagues and earning their way up unlike big names going straight into clubs because they were great players. 

    I think the advance of coaches such as Tuchel and Klopp, who were decent players but nothing great, has finally allowed clubs to take more risks and realise that to be a great coach/manager you don’t need to have been a great player.

    Agree with you about whether Taylor fits the exact mould TS was referring to, but I think he ticks more boxes than most. And as others have alluded to, with Stockley and Aneke, we are not currently designed for a really high pressing game as you’d need to do that from the front and that is not their game.
    This is a myth Ferguson, Wenger, Fagan, Paisley, Chapman and countless managers before, and after, them weren't great players either.

    ""I never realised that in order to become a jockey you have to have been a horse first." Arrigo Sacchi 

    Parma

    Serie C1: 1985–86

    Milan

    Serie A: 1987–88
    Supercoppa Italiana: 1988
    European Cup: 1988–89, 1989–90
    European Super Cup: 1989, 1990
    Intercontinental Cup: 1989, 1990
    Coppa Italia Runners-up: 1989–90
    Italy

    FIFA World Cup Runners-up: 1994
    Individual

    Seminatore d'Oro: 1988, 1989

    World Soccer Awards Manager of the Year: 1989

    Greatest Manager of All Time – one of 5 managersranked top 10 by France Football, World Soccer and ESPN

    3rd place (France Football): 2019

    6th place (World Soccer): 2013

    6th place (ESPN): 2013

    European Coach of the Year—Sepp Herberger Award: 1989

    European Coach of the Season: 1989–90

    Italian Football Hall of Fame: 2011

    He never played higher than Sunday league.

    But yeah it's all Klopp and Tuchel.
    I was more implying that it goes through phases. And at the moment these managers doing really well, having not had illustrations playing careers, means that other clubs further down the pyramid follow suit.

    I do think that clubs and fans sometimes get more excited about a big name than a well respected coach.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    RC_CAFC said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    RC_CAFC said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    RC_CAFC said:
    Covered End said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Can anyone with more knowledge give me some information on why Matt Taylor is so sort after (apart from the obvious has achieved promotion).

    I’ve watched a couple of interviews with him and like the way he articulates himself, but will be interested to know what sort of football Exeter play, what sort of budget he was working towards, how good their youth system is etc.
    He wasn't mentioned before Exeter were promoted at his 4th attempt.
    The fact that he's ex-Charlton, we are obsessed with bringing back ex-players and he's comparatively young are the only other reasons that I can see.
    He’s done an excellent job at Exeter, in what has been a difficult few years for them to build a sustained push. Each year, to balance the books, they sell their best players. We’ve tried to get a couple of them over the last few seasons I believe. They’ve always been close to promotion, indeed could have been promoted the year of covid if it hadn’t stopped early.

    He seems to be well respected by his players and is all about pushing forward together as a club.

    He is a little more out of the Powell mould of hard work, team spirit and togetherness as opposed to Rob Edwards who is more consistent high press, and trying to win the ball back as high up the pitch as he can.

    He would be a very sound appointment and it is good to get a manager on the up if he did indeed get the job.
    Thank you for the informative response. I do wonder if that fits in with TS vision for the how he wants the club to play football moving forwards. 

    As mentioned I do like how he comes across in interviews, however part of me feels if we are going to make a new appointment now I would like someone with a complete different ethos to Bowyer and Jackson. To be honest I would just like to be able to watch a team that can pass it through the middle of the pitch quickly and get exciting players on the ball in attacking positions. 

    I know people often tend to look down at the quality of football in the lower leagues, and of course it is no where near as good as the premiership - however it is lightyears ahead of what it was 10 or so years ago, and good coaching with the right players can certainly lead to some half decent football.
    The quality in the lower leagues is light years above where it used to be and there is an excellent growing trend of young coaches cutting their teeth in the lower leagues and earning their way up unlike big names going straight into clubs because they were great players. 

    I think the advance of coaches such as Tuchel and Klopp, who were decent players but nothing great, has finally allowed clubs to take more risks and realise that to be a great coach/manager you don’t need to have been a great player.

    Agree with you about whether Taylor fits the exact mould TS was referring to, but I think he ticks more boxes than most. And as others have alluded to, with Stockley and Aneke, we are not currently designed for a really high pressing game as you’d need to do that from the front and that is not their game.
    This is a myth Ferguson, Wenger, Fagan, Paisley, Chapman and countless managers before, and after, them weren't great players either.

    ""I never realised that in order to become a jockey you have to have been a horse first." Arrigo Sacchi 

    Parma

    Serie C1: 1985–86

    Milan

    Serie A: 1987–88
    Supercoppa Italiana: 1988
    European Cup: 1988–89, 1989–90
    European Super Cup: 1989, 1990
    Intercontinental Cup: 1989, 1990
    Coppa Italia Runners-up: 1989–90
    Italy

    FIFA World Cup Runners-up: 1994
    Individual

    Seminatore d'Oro: 1988, 1989

    World Soccer Awards Manager of the Year: 1989

    Greatest Manager of All Time – one of 5 managersranked top 10 by France Football, World Soccer and ESPN

    3rd place (France Football): 2019

    6th place (World Soccer): 2013

    6th place (ESPN): 2013

    European Coach of the Year—Sepp Herberger Award: 1989

    European Coach of the Season: 1989–90

    Italian Football Hall of Fame: 2011

    He never played higher than Sunday league.

    But yeah it's all Klopp and Tuchel.
    I was more implying that it goes through phases. And at the moment these managers doing really well, having not had illustrations playing careers, means that other clubs further down the pyramid follow suit.

    I do think that clubs and fans sometimes get more excited about a big name than a well respected coach.
    But you can draw that through history.  Jose win his last major trophy before Klopp won his first.  Jose won his first before Wenger won his last.  Fagan won a European trophy after SAF won his first etc etc it's not new.

    The trends tend to be Klopp is good let's get a German or Jose is good let's get a Portuguese one.  There were loads of them after he first got the Chelsea gig.  The latest one is let's employ someone that once drunk a can of red ball.  Its no different to the "he knows the club" bollocks.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,219
    Paisley and Fagen were both top flight players and Paisley won the league with Liverpool.

    Both would have played more games but for the war.

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