Garner will not want to start the season picking players who's strengths don't lie in the positions they're required to play to suit the system. I predict more comings and goings in July, which should be "Get your sh*t together month" for Ben & the boys.
Saw some describe this as a mix up between the two, I can’t blame Egbo here, a league one GK in 2022 should be controlling that or at worst lamping it clear. No judgement on Wollacott’s behalf of course as it’s a friendly.
Stockley said in the interview that Garner hadn't had time to lay his ideas out, they've just been doing fitness and a few passing drills. So too early to judge anything. But we can certainly reconfirm some things about players we already know!
Not disimilar to Dillon Phillips at Wembley. Not the best of back passes to put him under pressure, but the goalie should have cleared that, definitely mainly him at fault.
Enjoyed watching that. A good work out in the mid day Spanish heat against a fitter side and good to see two different patterns of play in each half.
We got bodies in their box much better in the first half. 2nd half we got the ball out to Charlie Kirk well but Fraser, Dobson, Gilbey and Leaburn were all a bit tentative getting forward.
I think it’s glaringly obvious where we need players and what needs work, but all in all this seems to have been a successful trip.
It's a clear back 3 there but then both wing backs were well advanced. Confused but interged.
When a back 3 is played the idea is your wings backs get forward in attacking mode other wise you end up as 5 at the back ?
When I typed that Clare, Deji and O'Connell were knocking it back and forth across our penalty area, CBT was in the opposition half and Clayden? Who knows you couldn't see that touch line because of the camera angle.
If I had to put a label on the first half formation I would say it was a very lopsided 433. CBT was certainly not playing wing back, neither was Clayden.
Didn't see the match as out this morning, just watched the 3 minutes high lights on the OS, and looked like we created a few good openings, but failed on the finishing front unfortunately, and what a stupid naive back pass for their goal. Ben sounded positive, and we matched them in fitness considering they are three weeks into their pre season. So onto Dartford,..
Just had a quick read through the comments - didn't even realise the season had started. (Oh, it hasn't you say?)
It looks like some posters are clearly ahead of others in terms of their match thread sharpness. Several promising comments and interactions, but clearly some other posters are still mentally on the beach - or perhaps even physically on the beach?
Nice to see some early pre-season use of big booming terms like "inexcusable" , "ineffective" and "embarrassing" and also some nice approach play for lining up this seasons scapegoat(s). Also a smattering of mild hand-wringing, stating-the-bleedin-obvious and "I told you so"-style comments all bodes well for the coming season.
Overall a pretty useful workout all round and some much needed minutes on keyboards under the belt, especially for those who really struggled to get going. I'm sure with the addition of some new posters and the return of a few more old stalwarts, the "quality" of the match threads will steadily improve as the season draws nearer. However, the big question remains over whether this will ultimately be enough for us to achieve a title-winning match thread standard. We live in hope.
This is my initial take, based on the flimsiest of evidence and knowledge, from observing activities since the Ipswich game, and only watching a very much feel your way back in match.
Firstly I remain kind of a positive neutral with regard to Garner. Watching today the players with a couple of exceptions (Henry and Egbo being the main two) looked like they had purpose in their positions even if some were unimpressive.
Craig MacGillivray Looks like he will be first choice, not much news about Harness lately.
Joe Wollacott First impression not great, needs to improve quite a lot.
Mandela Egbo I was disappointed actually, maybe I expected a lot more. We shall see. Played on the left?
Eoghan O'Connell Looked steady, made a decent first impression.
Sam Lavelle His overall presence today was not outstanding, will he be able to adapt to a more 'intellectual' style?
Ryan Inniss The usual.
Deji Elerewe Yeah nice game today, good to see the trajectory of his development is still on the up.
Sean Clare The usual.
Corey Blackett-Taylor Explosive pace still there. Used on the right, as opposed to being on the left which he occupied a lot last season. With him playing I hope we have a couple of ace penalty takers.
Diallang Jaiyesimi The usual.
Charlie Kirk I think he can play, I wonder if he will play if picked in a really competitive third division match for us.
Charles Clayden The trip won't have set his development back. Loan out?
Aaron Henry I rate him, don't know if Garner does, I suppose with Gilbey and Fraser he couldn't play centrally today where he is at his best.
George Dobson The usual.
Albie Morgan Continues to be so enigmatic. To me a better option than Gilbey.
Alex Gilbey Fed up waiting for him to be any good, any good for a dozen games in a row.
Jake Forster-Caskey Good to see him back.
Scott Fraser Genuine left foot.
Miles Leaburn Not a starter yet. Loan out?
Josh Davison The usual.
Chuks Aneke Good player, pain in the arse to play against, will he be able to sustain it?
Not watched the game as an on holiday, but mildly interesting that the second half lineup which many were more excited by, seemed to do worse than the first half one.
Good early assessment there @seth plum - Cant really argue with any of that.
I think I was more disappointed (in pre-season terms) that Egbo was on the left, rather than his performance as he's one I'm most excited to see from the new signings - But then that'll change across the next three games.
Will be surprised if Miles Leaburn gets loaned out this term, reckon he'll have a year in the U23s first.
Really hope that Clayden and Henry get some minutes against QPR and then go out on loan to League Two in September.
If Wollacott had not made that mistake I wonder if people would be so down on his performance.
It's easy for us to say Macca will be first choice after that (and I was impressed with what I saw from him). But on the flip side we were totally dominant that half, and he didn't have a save to make - which Wollacott obviously did and did well when called upon.
Will have to see more of him moving forwards to make any sort of judgement. But I think it will only be good for the club if we have both Wollacott and MacGillivray competing for that number one spot.
Said to myself that players will need time to settle, adapt to a new style of play etc. but after this result, that's me done with Charlton.
Same for me. Why we aren’t winning 12-0 in our first pre-season game in the boiling heat is beyond me. We’ve got a new manager and some new players - they have had more than long enough to settle in and play the new system. It’s that fucking new kits fault.
Not watched the game as an on holiday, but mildly interesting that the second half lineup which many were more excited by, seemed to do worse than the first half one.
Felt at the time that it was always going to be harder for the Second Half team.
At the start of the game, both sides had to feel their way into the game, we did that a lot quicker. But then by the time the second half started... Kilmarnock already had a 45min headstart on our second half side, they definitely grew into the second half a lot more as well, but had to get used to playing again and shake off the rust, whilst Killie had gotten all of that out the way.
Today was textbook. Aside from sloppiness in possession and utter ineffectiveness in attack, this was a case study in how he hides from being available for the ball in positions where he can play forward passes, and then makes himself available when the option is a five-yard wall-pass, achieving nothing. Watching him play is fucking torture
You have this weird obsession with the Albie vs Gilbey debate. Neither are going to be starting for us this year and neither were the problem today. The problem today was how uncomfortable our defense in the second half looked, the lack of depth at the wide positions such that we had to play Henry, Leaburn and Egbo out of position and the lack of finishers up front
There was no problem today, it was our first pre-season game and the lads were under a new manager, playing a new style, with a few out of position.
Personally think too many are looking too deeply at this.
Today was textbook. Aside from sloppiness in possession and utter ineffectiveness in attack, this was a case study in how he hides from being available for the ball in positions where he can play forward passes, and then makes himself available when the option is a five-yard wall-pass, achieving nothing. Watching him play is fucking torture
You have this weird obsession with the Albie vs Gilbey debate. Neither are going to be starting for us this year and neither were the problem today. The problem today was how uncomfortable our defense in the second half looked, the lack of depth at the wide positions such that we had to play Henry, Leaburn and Egbo out of position and the lack of finishers up front
I don't think that's accurate. As far as I can tell Leuth isn't flying the flag for Morgan, he just can't stand Gilbey.
BTW for those of us who weren't watching, do we have a consensus on what position the players were playing in the first and second half?
If Wollacott had not made that mistake I wonder if people would be so down on his performance.
It's easy for us to say Macca will be first choice after that (and I was impressed with what I saw from him). But on the flip side we were totally dominant that half, and he didn't have a save to make - which Wollacott obviously did and did well when called upon.
Will have to see more of him moving forwards to make any sort of judgement. But I think it will only be good for the club if we have both Wollacott and MacGillivray competing for that number one spot.
I have tried not to let the mistake sway me. It was other aspects that didn't convince.
Today was textbook. Aside from sloppiness in possession and utter ineffectiveness in attack, this was a case study in how he hides from being available for the ball in positions where he can play forward passes, and then makes himself available when the option is a five-yard wall-pass, achieving nothing. Watching him play is fucking torture
You have this weird obsession with the Albie vs Gilbey debate. Neither are going to be starting for us this year and neither were the problem today. The problem today was how uncomfortable our defense in the second half looked, the lack of depth at the wide positions such that we had to play Henry, Leaburn and Egbo out of position and the lack of finishers up front
I don't think that's accurate. As far as I can tell Leuth isn't flying the flag for Morgan, he just can't stand Gilbey.
BTW for those of us who weren't watching, do we have a consensus on what position the players were playing in the first and second half?
Keeping it very simple...
Goalkeeper: Wollacott and Macca Left-Back: Egbo and Clayden (LWB) Centre-Backs: Inniss | Clare | Elerewe | O'Connell | Lavelle Right-Back: Henry and CBT (RWB) Midfield: Fraser | Gilbey | JFC | Dobson | Morgan Wingers: Kirk | Leaburn | DJ Behind the Striker: Aneke Striker: Davison | Stockley
Today was textbook. Aside from sloppiness in possession and utter ineffectiveness in attack, this was a case study in how he hides from being available for the ball in positions where he can play forward passes, and then makes himself available when the option is a five-yard wall-pass, achieving nothing. Watching him play is fucking torture
You have this weird obsession with the Albie vs Gilbey debate. Neither are going to be starting for us this year and neither were the problem today. The problem today was how uncomfortable our defense in the second half looked, the lack of depth at the wide positions such that we had to play Henry, Leaburn and Egbo out of position and the lack of finishers up front
I don't think that's accurate. As far as I can tell Leuth isn't flying the flag for Morgan, he just can't stand Gilbey.
BTW for those of us who weren't watching, do we have a consensus on what position the players were playing in the first and second half?
Keeping it very simple...
Goalkeeper: Wollacott and Macca Left-Back: Egbo and Clayden (LWB) Centre-Backs: Inniss | Clare | Elerewe | O'Connell | Lavelle Right-Back: Henry and CBT (RWB) Midfield: Fraser | Gilbey | JFC | Dobson | Morgan Wingers: Kirk | Leaburn | DJ Behind the Striker: Aneke Striker: Davison | Stockley
Jesus, no one is going to beat us with that line up .
Today was textbook. Aside from sloppiness in possession and utter ineffectiveness in attack, this was a case study in how he hides from being available for the ball in positions where he can play forward passes, and then makes himself available when the option is a five-yard wall-pass, achieving nothing. Watching him play is fucking torture
You have this weird obsession with the Albie vs Gilbey debate. Neither are going to be starting for us this year and neither were the problem today. The problem today was how uncomfortable our defense in the second half looked, the lack of depth at the wide positions such that we had to play Henry, Leaburn and Egbo out of position and the lack of finishers up front
I don't think that's accurate. As far as I can tell Leuth isn't flying the flag for Morgan, he just can't stand Gilbey.
BTW for those of us who weren't watching, do we have a consensus on what position the players were playing in the first and second half?
Yes:
First half: RB: Clare CB: Deji CB: Bones LB: Claydon
MC: Morgan MC: JFC
RW: CBT 10: Aneke LW: DJ
CF: Davisson
Second Half: RB: Henry CB: Lavelle CB: Inniss LB: Egbo
Comments
Not the best of back passes to put him under pressure, but the goalie should have cleared that, definitely mainly him at fault.
We got bodies in their box much better in the first half. 2nd half we got the ball out to Charlie Kirk well but Fraser, Dobson, Gilbey and Leaburn were all a bit tentative getting forward.
I think it’s glaringly obvious where we need players and what needs work, but all in all this seems to have been a successful trip.
ITS THE FIRST GAME OF PRESEASON Aaarrrraaffgghhhghhhsjdhjebdjsj fuck you
Gilbey, does something bad.
FUCKING SELL THE CNUT CAN'T PERFORM AGAINST KILMARNOCK RUINED OUR SEASON Aararrraggghhhghhhh fuck you.
If I had to put a label on the first half formation I would say it was a very lopsided 433. CBT was certainly not playing wing back, neither was Clayden.
So onto Dartford,..
It looks like some posters are clearly ahead of others in terms of their match thread sharpness. Several promising comments and interactions, but clearly some other posters are still mentally on the beach - or perhaps even physically on the beach?
Nice to see some early pre-season use of big booming terms like "inexcusable" , "ineffective" and "embarrassing" and also some nice approach play for lining up this seasons scapegoat(s). Also a smattering of mild hand-wringing, stating-the-bleedin-obvious and "I told you so"-style comments all bodes well for the coming season.
Overall a pretty useful workout all round and some much needed minutes on keyboards under the belt, especially for those who really struggled to get going. I'm sure with the addition of some new posters and the return of a few more old stalwarts, the "quality" of the match threads will steadily improve as the season draws nearer. However, the big question remains over whether this will ultimately be enough for us to achieve a title-winning match thread standard. We live in hope.
Verdict: 4.5/10.
Firstly I remain kind of a positive neutral with regard to Garner.
Watching today the players with a couple of exceptions (Henry and Egbo being the main two) looked like they had purpose in their positions even if some were unimpressive.
Craig MacGillivray Looks like he will be first choice, not much news about Harness lately.
Joe Wollacott First impression not great, needs to improve quite a lot.
Mandela Egbo I was disappointed actually, maybe I expected a lot more. We shall see. Played on the left?
Eoghan O'Connell Looked steady, made a decent first impression.
Sam Lavelle His overall presence today was not outstanding, will he be able to adapt to a more 'intellectual' style?
Ryan Inniss The usual.
Deji Elerewe Yeah nice game today, good to see the trajectory of his development is still on the up.
Sean Clare The usual.
Corey Blackett-Taylor Explosive pace still there. Used on the right, as opposed to being on the left which he occupied a lot last season. With him playing I hope we have a couple of ace penalty takers.
Diallang Jaiyesimi The usual.
Charlie Kirk I think he can play, I wonder if he will play if picked in a really competitive third division match for us.
Charles Clayden The trip won't have set his development back. Loan out?
Aaron Henry I rate him, don't know if Garner does, I suppose with Gilbey and Fraser he couldn't play centrally today where he is at his best.
George Dobson The usual.
Albie Morgan Continues to be so enigmatic. To me a better option than Gilbey.
Alex Gilbey Fed up waiting for him to be any good, any good for a dozen games in a row.
Jake Forster-Caskey Good to see him back.
Scott Fraser Genuine left foot.
Miles Leaburn Not a starter yet. Loan out?
Josh Davison The usual.
Chuks Aneke Good player, pain in the arse to play against, will he be able to sustain it?
Jayden Stockley The usual.
I think I was more disappointed (in pre-season terms) that Egbo was on the left, rather than his performance as he's one I'm most excited to see from the new signings - But then that'll change across the next three games.
Will be surprised if Miles Leaburn gets loaned out this term, reckon he'll have a year in the U23s first.
Really hope that Clayden and Henry get some minutes against QPR and then go out on loan to League Two in September.
It's easy for us to say Macca will be first choice after that (and I was impressed with what I saw from him). But on the flip side we were totally dominant that half, and he didn't have a save to make - which Wollacott obviously did and did well when called upon.
Will have to see more of him moving forwards to make any sort of judgement. But I think it will only be good for the club if we have both Wollacott and MacGillivray competing for that number one spot.
At the start of the game, both sides had to feel their way into the game, we did that a lot quicker. But then by the time the second half started... Kilmarnock already had a 45min headstart on our second half side, they definitely grew into the second half a lot more as well, but had to get used to playing again and shake off the rust, whilst Killie had gotten all of that out the way.
Personally think too many are looking too deeply at this.
Morgan - new coach, new style, clean slate, HIS SEASON HAS COME
Stockley - Garner will re-invent Stockley, ITS WHAT GOOD COACHES DO
Gilbey - Too old, too crap, FINISH HIM
Goalkeeper: Wollacott and Macca
Left-Back: Egbo and Clayden (LWB)
Centre-Backs: Inniss | Clare | Elerewe | O'Connell | Lavelle
Right-Back: Henry and CBT (RWB)
Midfield: Fraser | Gilbey | JFC | Dobson | Morgan
Wingers: Kirk | Leaburn | DJ
Behind the Striker: Aneke
Striker: Davison | Stockley
First half:
RB: Clare
CB: Deji
CB: Bones
LB: Claydon
MC: Morgan
MC: JFC
RW: CBT
10: Aneke
LW: DJ
CF: Davisson
Second Half:
RB: Henry
CB: Lavelle
CB: Inniss
LB: Egbo
MC: Dobson
AMC: Gilbey
AMC: Fraser
RW: Leaburn
LW: Kirk
CF: Stockley